Since learning about the maxilla I’ve noticed most people have a recessed maxilla

[Deleted member 3043]

his are not that much flat, but a little bit.

the key to know if you have flat cheekbones, is to see if with low bf you have shadow below it like meeks.
Either you have it and you have high + massive cheekbones, either you have not, and at best you have high cheekbones like gandy, oprys, and us.

 

[rockndogs]

I still have no idea if my maxilla is recessed and i legit dont care because my profile is subhuman

 

[Bewusst]

What about hollowcheeks? You can’t have a recessed maxilla and hollow cheeks

Yes you can. Just look at old non-obese chain smokers.

 

[dogapm123]

my profile pic is as good if not better than yours.
Yet BIMAX will be good for me

What pic dude you dont have any

 

[Deleted member 3043]

here you go for the lower third




@dogapm123

 

[Deleted member 2846]

here you go for the lower third




@dogapm123

Take a 3/4 pic

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Take a 3/4 pic

Is it good ?

I have 30/100 bf anyway i think it'll look better afterwards.
but yet i have average maxila at best sadly.
May be that's why i have non proeminent cheekbones.

 

[Deleted member 2846]

Is it good ?

I have 30/100 bf anyway i think it'll look better afterwards.
but yet i have average maxila at best sadly.
May be that's why i have non proeminent cheekbones.

Without smiling. Smiling makes cheekbones look bigger.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Without smiling. Smiling makes cheekbones look bigger.

yeah, with high bf it's quite invisible without smiling :
may be this :



or this :

 

[Deleted member 2846]

yeah, with high bf it's quite invisible without smiling :
may be this :



or this :

It’s hard to judge facial features when you’re high BF. Get to 10-12% then you can judge them

 

[Deleted member 3043]

yes sadly.
Don't know how much time it'll take me to get to 12-10/100 bf
My main point was to say that his lower third wasn't that impressive.
I have the same or better or may be a little bit below, yet i'll probably need surgery or palate expander.

 

[Joyride]

lol i have high asf prominent cheekbones and im recessed asf (idk i have a slight underbite). its ogre for me anyways

 

[Deleted member 3043]

lol i have high asf prominent cheekbones and im recessed asf (idk i have a slight underbite). its ogre for me anyways

Probably because you have massive forwardh maxilar.
your case is better than mine, because you can't really get meek's tier cheekbones by surgery, even if you have high cheekbones.
But Bimax can solve every problem for the jaw if done properly.
But depending where you live, it'll cost you a huge amount of money.

 

[Joyride]

Probably because you have massive forwardh maxilar.
your case is better than mine, because you can't really get meek's tier cheekbones by surgery, even if you have high cheekbones.
But Bimax can solve every problem for the jaw if done properly.
But depending where you live, it'll cost you a huge amount of money.

I'm already getting braces. Right now I'm in the stages of palatal expansion. I have to expand my upper jaw for Literally 8 months straight (my upper jaw is really really narrow) and I have to rotate the thing everyday...it about 4 months now and I have 4 months left.
After that I'm gonna wear a face mask (not determined yet) and get braces to fix up my cross bite and align my teeth. I asked the dentist if he would pull my lower jaw backwards with the braces but he said he won't cause expanding my upper jaw should make my side profile look a bit better.

I'm also considering getting genio if the braces and this whole method doesn't work. Sigh. But honestly my underbite is very very mild. My teeth touch. My lower teeth is really slightly behind my top teeth so I think a genio is just overdoing it but I'll see.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I'm already getting braces. Right now I'm in the stages of palatal expansion. I have to expand my upper jaw for Literally 8 months straight (my upper jaw is really really narrow) and I have to rotate the thing everyday...it about 4 months now and I have 4 months left.
After that I'm gonna wear a face mask (not determined yet) and get braces to fix up my cross bite and align my teeth. I asked the dentist if he would pull my lower jaw backwards with the braces but he said he won't cause expanding my upper jaw should make my side profile look a bit better.

I'm also considering getting genio if the braces and this whole method doesn't work. Sigh. But honestly my underbite is very very mild. My teeth touch. My lower teeth is really slightly behind my top teeth so I think a genio is just overdoing it but I'll see.

... doctors should have put me palate expander when i first get my braces at teenage period.
They were unconsequent...
I sympathize with your suffering.
But, if everything goes well, in a few moments it will be a distant memory.
And you will probably earn between 1 and 2 points PSL.but the hardest is yet to come with the bimax.
How old are you for expanders?

 

[Joyride]

... doctors should have put me palate expander when i first get my braces at teenage period.
They were unconsequent...
I sympathize with your suffering.
But, if everything goes well, in a few moments it will be a distant memory.
And you will probably earn between 1 and 2 points PSL.but the hardest is yet to come with the bimax.
How old are you for expanders?

I never got braces when I was young. My jawline is really strong fortunately. Honestly, I think it'll only increase my psl by 0.3 but you're right I just need to wait it out. Right now I recently turned 19 so yea, not really a good age to get palatal expanders but the dentist said it was ok and it seems to be working already. My dentist wants to overexpand my upper jaw to fix my crossbite

Hopefully the palatal expander will also make my lips horizontally wider as I have narrow lips

 

[autistic_tendencies]

They might .

you need cant really make a judgement because there’s too much lard covering their facial bones

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I never got braces when I was young. My jawline is really strong fortunately. Honestly, I think it'll only increase my psl by 0.3 but you're right I just need to wait it out. Right now I recently turned 19 so yea, not really a good age to get palatal expanders but the dentist said it was ok and it seems to be working already. My dentist wants to overexpand my upper jaw to fix my crossbite

Hopefully the palatal expander will also make my lips horizontally wider as I have narrow lips

Oh that's big news ! I have also good lips but sadly too narrow like yours.
If it can be expanded by these processus, i'll do it to.
I have a consult with my dentist about this subject.
If i never knew what was lookism, i would never know that i have a little bit overbite.
Fortunaly there is a good behind everything.

 

[Joyride]

Oh that's big news ! I have also good lips but sadly too narrow like yours.
If it can be expanded by these processus, i'll do it to.
I have a consult with my dentist about this subject.
If i never knew what was lookism, i would never know that i have a little bit overbite.
Fortunaly there is a good behind everything.

Unfortunately palatal expansion will expand your lips very very little. Probably 2mm maximum? I'm really not sure and it's really unpredictable but yes you should ask your dentist

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Unfortunately palatal expansion will expand your lips very very little. Probably 2mm maximum? I'm really not sure and it's really unpredictable but yes you should ask your dentist

pffff. I need in my own mind so much surgery to be above average, and yet i'm only a student.
I have to wait a long time to get : Infraorbital + supraorbital rim + rhino + may be bimax but not sure though + strabism surgery and lasik.
and with all this, and low bf, may be i'll be 6 PSL.
Sad is our life.

 

[Nosecel9000]

Srs the majority of people don’t have a foward grown midface.

It’s very clear when smiling and viewed from the side that most people have a recessed maxilla.

A pronounced maxilla is actually quite rare like high cheekbones or naturally flawless skin.

Everyone on here complaining about recessed maxilla are actually normies and not some subhumans.

Only top tier people (models, celebrities) have developed maxilla. It gives a distinctive high-class appearance.

In my school 90% have forward maxillas

 

[bossman]

how to fix at 14

 

[Deleted member 2527]

In my school 90% have forward maxillas

brutal

 

[Joyride]

pffff. I need in my own mind so much surgery to be above average, and yet i'm only a student.
I have to wait a long time to get : Infraorbital + supraorbital rim + rhino + may be bimax but not sure though + strabism surgery and lasik.
and with all this, and low bf, may be i'll be 6 PSL.
Sad is our life.

Dude I really hope everything goes well! Life is so unfair

 

[Dude420]

This is the straight forward fixed response that i'd expect from someone who takes everything at face value. Downward growth is typically referred to as having a recessed maxilla. Forward growth is inaccurate in describing the actual position a maxilla should take on. The frankfurt plane is not a reliable indicator of a good or bad maxilla, it relies on the position of other features of the face that can vary with genetics or environmental factors such as a chin implant, braces etc. The frankfurt plane is as reliable as any other statistic in drawing a conclusion.
Example: In ww2 when deciding what part of the fighter jets needed to be strengthened they decided to take a distribution of areas bullet fire had been impacting. According to their results most bullets ended up in the fuel tank and wings of the plane and so they decided to strengthen these areas with more material. do you agree with this conclusion so far?

Spoiler

If you said yes you were wrong. In fact of all places bullets had been distributed, the engine and hull had the most bullet fire. They didn't account for the fact that planes that had been hit in the engine and hull were instantly destroyed. The researchers assumed that the distribution of bullet in the returning planes represented the distribution of bullets in non-returning planes.

According to you this guy above has a good maxilla.

Maybe we have a different definition of a recessed maxilla, you seem to be merging facial down growth with a recessed maxilla, but I wouldn't call anyone that doesn't need a forward advancement of the maxilla to improve his aesthetic appearance as someone who has a recessed maxilla, not needing an advancement would make them mutually exclusive to me, your term is very misleading otherwise because many individuals with facial down growth don't need forward advancement of the maxilla.
Facial down growth is better described by a high gonial angle (often with short ramus)/high occlusal plane angle/convex facial shape/long-face syndrome than recessed maxilla, the former is where the problem actually lies. So I would never see the point of using the term recessed maxilla with your definition of the word since it doesn't identify the problem well and often isn't what needs to be brought forward to fix the "recession".
Contrarily to my description, you don't explain how recessed maxilla with concave facial shape caused by an underbite can be considered as a recessed maxilla.
Bottom line to me is that if moving the maxilla forward could clearly improve your aesthetic facial appearance, you have a recessed maxilla, the best way to identify that is the reference to the glabella I previously explained. Is it perfect? no, since every face is unique, but I don't see a better way to quickly assess it.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

In my school 90% have forward maxillas

it's quite hard to see no ?
You can only see easily a overbite/underbite by the lips position, and recession, especially mandible.

Dude I really hope everything goes well! Life is so unfair

i had a good potential younger, pct, square jaw, best gonial angle.
Thanks puberty, really.

 

[Joyride]

Maybe we have a different definition of a recessed maxilla, you seem to be merging facial down growth with a recessed maxilla, but I wouldn't call anyone that doesn't need a forward advancement of the maxilla to improve his aesthetic appearance as someone who has a recessed maxilla, not needing an advancement would make them mutually exclusive to me, your term is very misleading otherwise because many individuals with facial down growth don't need forward advancement of the maxilla.
Facial down growth is better described by a high gonial angle (often with short ramus)/high occlusal plane angle/convex facial shape/long-face syndrome than recessed maxilla, the former is where the problem actually lies. So I would never see the point of using the term recessed maxilla with your definition of the word since it doesn't identify the problem well and often isn't what needs to be brought forward to fix the "recession".
Contrarily to my description, you don't explain how recessed maxilla with concave facial shape caused by an underbite can be considered as a recessed maxilla.
Bottom line to me is that if moving the maxilla forward could clearly improve your aesthetic facial appearance, you have a recessed maxilla, the best way to identify that is the reference to the glabella I previously explained. Is it perfect? no, since every face is unique, but I don't see a better way to quickly assess it.

So would you say a person who has a very slight underbite with a strong jaw as recessed as a genio will improve the side profile?

 

[Dude420]

So would you say a person who has a very slight underbite with a strong jaw as recessed as a genio will improve the side profile?

What? Anyway, sometimes it is preferable to move the lower jaw back, depends on the harmony with the glabella vertical alignment.

 

[Joyride]

What? Anyway, sometimes it is preferable to move the lower jaw back, depends on the harmony with the glabella vertical alignment.

Fuck you're so smart. Anyways I need to do more researching into this shit especially cause I have a slight underbite sigh.

 

[Nosecel9000]

it's quite hard to see no ?
You can only see easily a overbite/underbite by the lips position, and recession, especially mandible.


i had a good potential younger, pct, square jaw, best gonial angle.
Thanks puberty, really.

Puberty made me ugly

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Puberty made me ugly

Just look at my 14yo pic boy, and now, you'll see what a bastard is puberty.

 

[Kill_Jew]

Facial down growth is better described by a high gonial angle (often with short ramus)/high occlusal plane angle/convex facial shape/long-face syndrome than recessed maxilla, the former is where the problem actually lies.
All of the things you've listed: high gonial angle, high occlusal plane angle, convex facial shape: are caused by a recessed maxilla. Facial down growth and a recessed maxilla are one in the same.

Contrarily to my description, you don't explain how recessed maxilla with concave facial shape caused by an underbite can be considered as a recessed maxilla.
Maxilla recession happens in 2 axis'. There is a horizontal and vertical component to a properly developed maxilla. The point i'm trying to make is you cannot accurately assess the vertical component using a frankfurt plane.

Anyway, don't bother replying back I cbf continuing this.

 

[Chadelite]

like this?

yes top tier zygos they are bro

 

[Dude420]

All of the things you've listed: high gonial angle, high occlusal plane angle, convex facial shape: are caused by a recessed maxilla. Facial down growth and a recessed maxilla are one in the same.

False, they are not mutually inclusive, you can have a concave facial face shape and recessed maxilla, hence, your definition of the term is confusing/meaningless.

Maxilla recession happens in 2 axis'. There is a horizontal and vertical component to a properly developed maxilla. The point i'm trying to make is you cannot accurately assess the vertical component using a frankfurt plane.

It is just a point of reference, yea it won't be exactly perfect. If this does not suffice as a point of reference than your point is that it is impossible to assess therefore pointless to discuss. That is dumb, you have to use those sort of points of references otherwise no one can say anything about anything.

 

[left2die]

Srs the majority of people don’t have a foward grown midface.

It’s very clear when smiling and viewed from the side that most people have a recessed maxilla.

A pronounced maxilla is actually quite rare like high cheekbones or naturally flawless skin.

Everyone on here complaining about recessed maxilla are actually normies and not some subhumans.

Only top tier people (models, celebrities) have developed maxilla. It gives a distinctive high-class appearance.

South asians have very good maxillas
Africans have great maxillas

North asians have recessed maxillas
Most euros ive seen have recessed maxillas
Arabs have recessed maxillas

Thats why white + south asian mixes look good

 

[InZayn]

The best way to identify a recessed maxilla is having the glabella further forward than the maxilla at the Frankfort horizontal plane position, it sometimes leads to an underbite. Recessed maxilla compromise your nasal airway, it isn't that frequent, recessed mandible is more frequent.
More like this than the previous image which maxilla actually wasn't recessed.

Lifefuel. My chin is farther out than my glabella and browridge via sideprofile