Skinnyfat

[mogtivism]

Hi, i used to be 180lbs at 5’9, but as per advice i got here i cut down. Currently i’m sitting at 156-159lbs. I have been lifting weights but strength has barely gone up while cutting. I still hVe a stomach and i want it to be gone. I was cutting at 2000 calories and plenty of cardio but since beginning of last month, I haven’t been able to lose anymore weight on this amount of food. When i go lower i feel turbo-shit. I just want this skinnyfat hell to be over with so i can gain some muscle. What should i do now? lean bulk and cut later, or keep cutting down on extreme low calorie diet? Thanks for the advice.

 

[eduardkoopman]

What should i do now? lean bulk and cut later, or keep cutting down on extreme low calorie diet? Thanks for the advice.

bulking when you are fat already.
lol

 

[mogtivism]

bulking when you are fat already.
lol

Problem is after losing like 20lbs, cutting stalled at 2000 calories a day and lots of cardio. Can’t imagine going down to 1800 or 1500 being a good idea.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Problem is after losing like 20lbs, cutting stalled at 2000 calories a day and lots of cardio. Can’t imagine going down to 1800 or 1500 being a good idea.

Your current bodyfat percentage is?
As far as your muscle mass growth goes, That stuff is just simply slow as fuck. You can only quickly gain size natty, by getting fat. Muscle mass grows slow as fuck. It last a long time though, after having been build naty.

This is my experience. with it.

I went this path, as a former skinny fat person with gym natty.
1. lean/low fat, 12% bodyfat ranges minimum. Going from skinny fat to skinny, likely happens.
2. since muscle growth is slowish, to takes months, years to build a nice/decent muscle mass going along with this 12% bodyfat. Always 6 pack, year round, always vains year round.

 

[mogtivism]

Your current bodyfat percentage is?
As far as your muscle mass growth goes, That stuff is just simply slow as fuck. You can only quickly gain size natty, by getting fat. Muscle mass grows slow as fuck. It last a long time though, after having been build naty.

This is my experience. with it.

I went this path, as a former skinny fat person with gym natty.
1. lean/low fat, 12% bodyfat ranges minimum. Going from skinny fat to skinny, likely happens.
2. since muscle growth is slowish, to takes months, years to build a nice/decent muscle mass going along with this 12% bodyfat. Always 6 pack, year round, always vains year round.

My current bodyfat is 22% according to military tape test.

 

[eduardkoopman]

My current bodyfat is 22% according to military tape test.

if you look in the mirror. what fat % you estimate?

 

[mogtivism]

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if you look in the mirror. what fat % you estimate?
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Chart tells me 30%

 

[mogtivism]

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Chart tells me 30%

I’m built almost exactly like the man on the left of this image (not the buff one)

 

[eduardkoopman]

so you are WAY to fat still, imo.

If you want respect from men. tha stay as fat as you are, and ogre maxx in the gym, like a fat power lift.
If you want to appeal maxx to women, you need to go to sub15%, actually 12%. aka, visible abbs. You won't be big like a fat bulker, and guys won't be that impressed. Women like low bodufat on men. after that size. It will take a long time tp look decently big at 12% bodyfat, one needs probably 2 years of muscle mass building

 

[mogtivism]

so you are WAY to fat still, imo.

If you want respect from men. tha stay as fat as you are, and ogre maxx in the gym, like a fat power lift.
If you want to appeal maxx to women, you need to go to sub15%, actually 12%. aka, visible abbs. You won't be big like a fat bulker, and guys won't be that impressed. Women like low bodufat on men. after that size. It will take a long time tp look decently big at 12% bodyfat, one needs probably 2 years of muscle mass building

So should I cut like 10-15lbs and then start a slow bulk?

 

[eduardkoopman]

So should I cut like 10-15lbs and then start a slow bulk?

NEVER BULK, if you want to female appeal maxx. Cut till 12% bodyfat, and NEVER get above that again. If one wants to female appeal maxx.

If you want respect from dudes, and don't mind that women find your fat bloated face disgusting looking. than you can go bulk.

 

[KaisenMaxxer]

Hi, i used to be 180lbs at 5’9, but as per advice i got here i cut down. Currently i’m sitting at 156-159lbs. I have been lifting weights but strength has barely gone up while cutting. I still hVe a stomach and i want it to be gone. I was cutting at 2000 calories and plenty of cardio but since beginning of last month, I haven’t been able to lose anymore weight on this amount of food. When i go lower i feel turbo-shit. I just want this skinnyfat hell to be over with so i can gain some muscle. What should i do now? lean bulk and cut later, or keep cutting down on extreme low calorie diet? Thanks for the advice.

Go super lean then learn reverse Diet aka lean bulk from your leanest point, it has insane results and you stay lean, feel good etc..

Go for your wanted bf first, then lean bulk (dont gain fat, small surplus of 200 to 300)

if you cant lose more weight, you can't count your calories, you probably overestimate how much you burn, if you sit around on your ass all day and do 1hr of cardio, you burn less than by litterally standing up 8hrs and walking 10 000 steps (bare minimum for weight loss, target should be 15 000)


I might post a thread on reverse diet for more details

NEVER BULK, if you want to female appeal maxx. Cut till 12% bodyfat, and NEVER get above that again. If one wants to female appeal maxx.

If you want respect from dudes, and don't mind that women find your fat bloated face disgusting looking. than you can go bulk.

True af

 

[JohnnyRamone]

NEVER BULK, if you want to female appeal maxx. Cut till 12% bodyfat, and NEVER get above that again. If one wants to female appeal maxx.

If you want respect from dudes, and don't mind that women find your fat bloated face disgusting looking. than you can go bulk.

If anything, the lean obsession seems to be for men. Plenty of women like bulked men.

 

[eduardkoopman]

If anything, the lean obsession seems to be for men. Plenty of women like bulked men.

i think the conscensus is, that it actually is the opposite.

it being:
* being bulked, gets respect from men. because you look strong(er).
* being low fat, being lean/shredded. gets attraction from women. because your face looks better (assuming one has bones in the face), because you have a hard feeling body which women prefer over a soft (fat tissue) feeling body, because you have 6-pack abs 24/7 which women find attractive compared to round fat-layered soft belly, and one might have a "burrito shaped" upper body which women prefer over a box shaped upper body.

I think. that roughly summerizes the reason. Why the concept here is, that women prefer low bodyfat over more fat bulked men.

 

[mogtivism]

If anything, the lean obsession seems to be for men. Plenty of women like bulked men.

I don’t think the point of a bulk is to stay fat. Aren’t you supposed to use bulking to gain muscle and then cut

i think the conscensus is, that it actually is the opposite.

it being:
* being bulked, gets respect from men. because you look strong(er).
* being low fat, being lean/shredded. gets attraction from women. because your face looks better (assuming one has bones in the face), because you have a hard feeling body which women prefer over a soft (fat tissue) feeling body, because you have 6-pack abs 24/7 which women find attractive compared to round fat-layered soft belly, and one might have a "burrito shaped" upper body which women prefer over a box shaped upper body.

I think. that roughly summerizes the reason. Why the concept here is, that women prefer low bodyfat over more fat bulked men.

Before even thinking about Which level of bodyfat women prefer on a muscled man i gotta find out if I can even build muscle jfl. IK guys out there who’ve never been able to build shit in the gym and that scares me.

 

[JohnnyRamone]

i think the conscensus is, that it actually is the opposite.

it being:
* being bulked, gets respect from men. because you look strong(er).
* being low fat, being lean/shredded. gets attraction from women. because your face looks better (assuming one has bones in the face), because you have a hard feeling body which women prefer over a soft (fat tissue) feeling body, because you have 6-pack abs 24/7 which women find attractive compared to round fat-layered soft belly, and one might have a "burrito shaped" upper body which women prefer over a box shaped upper body.

I think. that roughly summerizes the reason. Why the concept here is, that women prefer low bodyfat over more fat bulked men.

What do you mean by bulked? When I say bulked, I mean fit with a higher, but healthy body fat percentage. I don't mean Arnold Schwarzenegger or Lou Ferigno in their primes. Also, your face isn't going to change significantly from 18 to 12% for most people.

I don’t think the point of a bulk is to stay fat. Aren’t you supposed to use bulking to gain muscle and then cut


Before even thinking about Which level of bodyfat women prefer on a muscled man i gotta find out if I can even build muscle jfl. IK guys out there who’ve never been able to build shit in the gym and that scares me.

Bulked people aren't fat. That's just body dysmorphia. They're generally in the health range for body fat.

 

[eduardkoopman]

What do you mean by bulked?

in general dudes go to 17% - 22% bodydat ranges, or worse. I think

When I say bulked, I mean fit with a higher, but healthy body fat percentage.

"healthy" bodyfat percentage is what according to you?

, your face isn't going to change significantly from 18 to 12% for most people.

ideally it does. especially going to 10% and below ranges. It should ascend a face, compared to 18% bf comparative.

 

[JohnnyRamone]

in general dudes go to 17% - 22% bodydat ranges, or worse. I think

"healthy" bodyfat percentage is what according to you?

ideally it does. especially going to 10% and below ranges. It should ascend a face, compared to 18% bf comparative.

Healthy would be 10 to 20%. That’s why I chose 18 as the middle ground for a bulk. Under 10% isn’t sustainable and women aren’t in to men that shredded anyways.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Healthy would be 10 to 20%. That’s why I chose 18 as the middle ground for a bulk.

tbh, 18% looks quit fat imo. also in face

Under 10% isn’t sustainable and women aren’t in to men that shredded anyways.

that's why Chad Barrett face looks extra good, dude below 10%

low fat is life for plenty:

Reminder - if you've never been lean, you don't know wtf you look like and you can't claim to be deformed or recessed or any other BS (my pics inside)

A few things before we begin: 1) I'm not asking for ratings here, not the point of the thread. 2) I don't care if you mog me or I mog you. Again, not the point, broseph. 3) The point is to show, with pictures, that if you're a fatcel, skinnyfatcel, or simply have never been to low bodyfat...

looksmax.org

 

[JohnnyRamone]

tbh, 18% looks quit fat imo. also in face


that's why Chad Barrett face looks extra good, dude below 10%

low fat is life for plenty:

Reminder - if you've never been lean, you don't know wtf you look like and you can't claim to be deformed or recessed or any other BS (my pics inside)

A few things before we begin: 1) I'm not asking for ratings here, not the point of the thread. 2) I don't care if you mog me or I mog you. Again, not the point, broseph. 3) The point is to show, with pictures, that if you're a fatcel, skinnyfatcel, or simply have never been to low bodyfat...

looksmax.org

That’s just body dysmorphia.