Souls don’t exist

[EmperorVon]

Damn nigga it’s almost like you understand that men have this capacity to abstract from things, to understand things like "triangle" and "1 + 1 = 2." I wish we had a name for something that explained this...

Dude give the points proving a soul and stop waffling you dumb fuck.

 

[Knid]

How, please explain? Because I don’t see how anything immaterial affects me in any way.

Is your mind material? We know that your brain is, and the electrical signals are, but is that identical to your experience as a person, and the functions you perform as YOU can understand the nature of material things?

 

[EmperorVon]

Is your mind material? We know that your brain is, and the electrical signals are, but is that identical to your experience as a person, and the functions you perform as YOU can understand the nature of material things?

Yes as it’s all due to the brain a material thing. Why don’t you understand this? Concepts and Metaphysics are all in your brain, ideas created to try and understand certain things. Everything I understand as my reality is due to the brain as it processes the information from the outside world. Can you prove that souls exist now or are you gonna keep waffling?

 

[v.3ex]

Go ahead prove souls with rationalism!
I’d love to see that

i mean we could say thoughts could grasp universals and necessary truths like like law of non-contradiction as an example, it holds as necessary and is not merely probably.

no actual material could actually be the intrinsic subject of necessary and universal content. Matter is always particular, contingent and is spatiotemporally bounded

and whatever is able to grasp universal necessary truths must itself, transcend the particular and contingent.

Therefore, the intellect or rational thought must be immaterial.


don’t dnr plz

 

[Knid]

Dude give the points proving a soul and stop waffling you dumb fuck.

Very simple. You are capable of abstraction, as I've said before. You are also capable of reason. Are the effects produced by these things material? Are concepts material? No my nigga.

 

[Knid]

i mean we could say thoughts could grasp universals and necessary truths like like law of non-contradiction as an example, it holds as necessary and is not merely probably.

no actual material could actually be the intrinsic subject of necessary and universal content. Matter is always particular, contingent and is spatiotemporally bounded

and whatever is able to grasp universal necessary truths must itself, transcend the particular and contingent.

Therefore, the intellect or rational thought must be immaterial.


don’t dnr plz

trvke

 

[v.3ex]

trvke

tbf it only proves that intellect is immaterial not that a rational soul exists

 

[greycel]

How, please explain? Because I don’t see how anything immaterial affects me in any way.

You need to research this, I’m not going to hold your hand
I’ve told you enough

 

[EmperorVon]

i mean we could say thoughts could grasp universals and necessary truths like like law of non-contradiction as an example, it holds as necessary and is not merely probably.

no actual material could actually be the intrinsic subject of necessary and universal content. Matter is always particular, contingent and is spatiotemporally bounded

and whatever is able to grasp universal necessary truths must itself, transcend the particular and contingent.

Therefore, the intellect or rational thought must be immaterial.


don’t dnr plz

Not true in the slightest. That entire thought pattern only exists because of our brains, there is no immaterial understanding or mind, it’s all the brain. You can get into these word games but it all boils down to our brains, the most complex biological system in our body.

 

[Knid]

Yes as it’s all due to the brain a material thing. Why don’t you understand this? Concepts and Metaphysics are all in your brain, ideas created to try and understand certain things. Everything I understand as my reality is due to the brain as it processes the information from the outside world. Can you prove that souls exist now or are you gonna keep waffling?

MUH METAPHYSICS ARE ALL IN MUH BRAIN!! What are you saying when you say that reality is fundamentally material? absoloot retard. your denial of non-material things is a performative contradiction

 

[EmperorVon]

You need to research this, I’m not going to hold your hand
I’ve told you enough

You can’t prove it so “Just research bro!” It’s over for you I won.

 

[Knid]

Not true in the slightest. That entire thought pattern only exists because of our brains, there is no immaterial understanding or mind, it’s all the brain. You can get into these word games but it all boils down to our brains, the most complex biological system in our body.

Is the brain (or signals or whatever physical thing you want to point to) identical to the concept in your head?

 

[EmperorVon]

MUH METAPHYSICS ARE ALL IN MUH BRAIN!! What are you saying when you say that reality is fundamentally material? absoloot retard. your denial of non-material things is a performative contradiction

It literally is, we understand them with our brain you fucking retard. You must be 15 or something how don’t you get this already?

 

[Knid]

You can’t prove it so “Just research bro!” It’s over for you I won.

Nigga you presuppose that there are no immaterial things so u can be some reddit fag and say ur enlightened over the christcucks o algo. u dont even engage with the idea that there COULD be things beyond the material, because you start with the assumption that its impossible or some shit

 

[greycel]

You can’t prove it so “Just research bro!” It’s over for you I won.

It’s ironic
You not knowing the answer and “I won” leading you further from the Truth

 

[EmperorVon]

Is the brain (or signals or whatever physical thing you want to point to) identical to the concept in your head?

Concept created by the brain, owned again

 

[EmperorVon]

It’s ironic
You not knowing the answer and “I won” leading you further from the Truth

You can just keep saying this shit to cope but your still wrong

 

[Knid]

It literally is, we understand them with our brain you fucking retard. You must be 15 or something how don’t you get this already?

I didn't say anything about "understanding them with your brain." I can accept that we have some dependence on our senses, which do depend on physical things. I asked you if they were identical.

 

[Knid]

Concept created by the brain, owned again

Is the concept itself material, yes or no? I didn't ask you for what you thought its origin was. Even if I granted you that the concept was created by the brain, it wouldn't change anything

 

[EmperorVon]

trvke

Thoughts grasp universals because the brain evolved to abstract patterns from sensory data, not because it's immaterial. Material brains handle universals through evolved neural abstractions, not transcendence. Neural networks process logical necessities like LNC from language and reality structures, not immaterial transcendence. Brains represent universals via computational processes, not requiring immaterial essence. Modern physics shows matter supports complex functions for abstraction, debunking pre modern matter limits.

This is all because of evolution

 

[EmperorVon]

Is the concept itself material, yes or no? I didn't ask you for what you thought its origin was. Even if I granted you that the concept was created by the brain, it wouldn't change anything

That doesn’t mean anything or help you prove an immaterial mind, consciousness or soul. Your brain could cook up the concept that your wife wasn’t brutally cucking your chud ass, is that concept material or no faggot?

 

[v.3ex]

That entire thought pattern only exists because of our brains

Dude, I can grant you everything neuroscience, sure, but even if rational thought correlates with brain activity, but correlation is not identity. The question here is not if the brain is involved, but if the brain is sufficient enough to account for what thought actually is.

I’ll press you on this, the law of non-contradiction holds necessarily and like I said earlier, not probably, not in most possible worlds, but in all of them. So, the question I will ask you is can you point to the neuron that makes it necessary than merely probable?

 

[Knid]

Thoughts grasp universals because the brain evolved to abstract patterns from sensory data, not because it's immaterial. Material brains handle universals through evolved neural abstractions, not transcendence. Neural networks process logical necessities like LNC from language and reality structures, not immaterial transcendence. Brains represent universals via computational processes, not requiring immaterial essence. Modern physics shows matter supports complex functions for abstraction, debunking pre modern matter limits.

This is all because of evolution

Nigga this explains nothing. Tell me how the brain "contains" concepts that are truly distinct from neurons firing. Or would you say that concepts are identical to brain patterns / signals/ wtv.

 

[EmperorVon]

Dude, I can grant you everything neuroscience, sure, but even if rational thought correlates with brain activity, but correlation is not identity. The question here is not if the brain is involved, but if the brain is sufficient enough to account for what thought actually is.

I’ll press you on this, the law of non-contradiction holds necessarily and like I said earlier, not probably, not in most possible worlds, but in all of them. So, the question I will ask you is can you point to the neuron that makes it necessary than merely probable?

Dude the brain is literally responsible for thoughts. Let me guess all of science and medical studies are wrong but you are a super secret genius like in Good Will Hunting and know something they don’t? Get real retard

 

[Knid]

That doesn’t mean anything or help you prove an immaterial mind, consciousness or soul. Your brain could cook up the concept that your wife wasn’t brutally cucking your chud ass, is that concept material or no faggot?

I'm talking about the essences of things. So when I say concept, I mean something like "dogness"

 

[EmperorVon]

Nigga this explains nothing. Tell me how the brain "contains" concepts that are truly distinct from neurons firing. Or would you say that concepts are identical to brain patterns / signals/ wtv.

If you can’t understand that it’s pointless. Your brain is clearly underdeveloped. The fact you don’t believe that the brain is responsible or capable of thinking up concepts means there’s no hope for you. Good luck flunking out of school.

 

[Knid]

Dude the brain is literally responsible for thoughts. Let me guess all of science and medical studies are wrong but you are a super secret genius like in Good Will Hunting and know something they don’t? Get real retard

I'm genuinely convinced ur below the IQ threshold to understand what we're getting at

 

[v.3ex]

Get real retard

just dodge the question

 

[Vskizzle1016]

Explain how when a brain is affected or damaged it can affect memory, personality, morality, beliefs and the person’s consciousness? Yet we’re supposed to believe we maintain consciousness when our brain is dead?
A soul has never been observed or proven. External consciousness outside the physical body / brain doesn’t exist, it’s been debunked thoroughly and has no evidence.
If you have a remotely functioning brain capable of basic reasoning you should accept this and leave religion behind, it has no place in the material world.
Near Death Experiences of an afterlife are chemical delusions, same thing with psychedelics.

Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations

Seeing your life pass before you and the light at the end of the tunnel, can be explained by new research on abnormal functioning of dopamine and oxygen flow

www.scientificamerican.com

This is a basic observation.

 

[EmperorVon]

I'm talking about the essences of things. So when I say concept, I mean something like "dogness"

“Essences” don’t exist I won’t accept your Catholic nonsense. Prove the “essence of things”. A brain can easily cook up the concept of what a dog is we aren’t rocks.

 

[Knid]

If you can’t understand that it’s pointless. Your brain is clearly underdeveloped. The fact you don’t believe that the brain is responsible or capable of thinking up concepts means there’s no hope for you. Good luck flunking out of school.

You can't give an explanation lol. It's like you actually do not understand the question

 

[EmperorVon]

just dodge the question

I proved you wrong but keep coping

 

[EmperorVon]

You can't give an explanation lol. It's like you actually do not understand the question

I do you clearly don’t understand the debate

 

[v.3ex]

I proved you wrong but keep coping

nigga no you didn’t you committed a red herring to dodge my question

 

[Knid]

“Essences” don’t exist I won’t accept your Catholic nonsense. Prove the “essence of things”. A brain can easily cook up the concept of what a dog is we aren’t rocks.

Sure, I can prove it with one question. Tell me, like I've asked you a million times. Is "dogness" a physical thing?

 

[EmperorVon]

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

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@Knid @v.3ex

 

[Knid]

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

@Knid @v.3ex

I would pay so much money to see you take an IQ test

 

[EmperorVon]

Sure, I can prove it with one question. Tell me, like I've asked you a million times. Is "dogness" a physical thing?

The concept itself is inside the brain making it material but not physical in the way your trying to say.

 

[EmperorVon]

I would pay so much money to see you take an IQ test

I actually graduated college and didn’t drop out of highschool like you will

 

[Knid]

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

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@Knid @v.3ex

The ENTIRE world of thinking is off-limits to you when it has nothing to do with MUH HECKING SOYENCE!!!

 

[EmperorVon]

The ENTIRE world of thinking is off-limits to you when it has nothing to do with MUH HECKING SOYENCE!!!

JFL Anti Science! typical. Thanks for exposing yourself retard. Your done. Anyone else who isn’t an autistic chud who thinks science is fake but god breathing life into mud is real?

 

[Knid]

JFL Anti Science! typical. Thanks for exposing yourself retard. Your done. Anyone else who isn’t an autistic chud who thinks science is fake but god breathing life into mud is real?

I'm not "anti science" you dumb faggot, all I said was that you can't think beyond it. Do you think I deny that empirical truths are important? How tough was it to get through your schooling?

 

[EmperorVon]

nigga no you didn’t you committed a red herring to dodge my question

People who can’t disprove biology and science often get into philosophical debates to shift the argument towards something their low iq can more easily understand

 

[EmperorVon]

I'm not "anti science" you dumb faggot, all I said was that you can't think beyond it. Do you think I deny that empirical truths are important? How tough was it to get through your schooling?

Pretty tough considering it was a good university and I did all 4 years.

 

[Knid]

JFL Anti Science! typical. Thanks for exposing yourself retard. Your done. Anyone else who isn’t an autistic chud who thinks science is fake but god breathing life into mud is real?

you might genuinely be challenged, I want you to point to where in that sentence I even slightly suggested being "anti science"

 

[EmperorVon]

you might genuinely be challenged, I want you to point to where in that sentence I even slightly suggested being "anti science"

Anyone who says “Muh soyence” is an anti science religious retard like you

 

[Knid]

People who can’t disprove biology and science often get into philosophical debates to shift the argument towards something their low iq can more easily understand

Did I disagree with what you said about empirical truths? No. You make a claim that our brain is the FULL EXTENT of anything "soul" related, I say there is a soul. It isn't a "scientific claim." What about this debate has anything to do with empirical evidence? This argument became a philosophical one the moment you said "the soul doesn't exist"

 

[EmperorVon]

Did I disagree with what you said about empirical truths? No. You make a claim that our brain is the FULL EXTENT of anything "soul" related, I say there is a soul. It isn't a "scientific claim." What about this debate has anything to do with empirical evidence? This argument became a philosophical one the moment you said "the soul doesn't exist"

No it didn’t. Saying the soul doesn’t exist doesn’t make this a philosophical debate, it makes it a reality debate because that shit isn’t real retard. Keep following your Jewish religion.

 

[Knid]

Anyone who says “Muh soyence” is an anti science religious retard like you

you can keep making whatever baseless assertions you want, you know you were wrong to say that I'm ANTI SOYENCE!!! and so u make this claim that you wont even try to defend that "all people who say soyence are christcucks!!"

 

[EmperorVon]

you can keep making whatever baseless assertions you want, you know you were wrong to say that I'm ANTI SOYENCE!!! and so u make this claim that you wont even try to defend that "all people who say soyence are christcucks!!"

Do you believe that the earth is 6000 years old, god breathed life into mud and there were giants?