Its 80% posture anyone here can fraud it like that. The key is puffing out your chest, then erecting your cervical column. These kinds of pictures are just people who discover by accident by frauding. They wont be able to hold that posture for more than a few seconds.
You're equating two things: "Mewing," which are changes to bone that happen in adulthood, and the bone development of the face overall being affected by developmental factors. These two ideas rely on different assumptions and ideas.
What we should be interested in is whether Europeans had these jaw issues in prehistory. There is a marked difference in the European skulls from prehistory, which were much more robust, and modern ones. You can say this is due to genetics, but this is just speculation on your part.
This is all wild speculation.
Pointing out one very isolated and rare case of genetic deformation of the jaw does not mean that the skeletal issues that endemic in all developed societies are genetic.
This is just a fantasy created with some vaguely Darwinist language. "Forward growth" is a modern term that was created to discuss modern medical issues. The idea that primitive people were worried about "forward growth" is just so strange.
Medical issue =/= immediate risk of death. This is such a dumb argument.
I suspect it is "genetic" only insofar as it is the effect of similar negative developmental conditions on a set of different genetic ethnic features.
This is another case of equating "Mewing" with the developmental explanation for craniofacial issues.
What exactly do you mean by developmental factors? Mewing or something else?
People of different ethnicities have different skulls as evolutionary adaptations to their climate and selection. If you're a European, you don't need to have forward growth with increased air capacity and mastication force since you can sit in your town and grow your crops and have farm animals. You don't have to go hunting and you don't need to chew rough foods. The lack of natural selection along with monogamy and arranged marriages causing a lack of sexual selection means that people will slowly evolve to no longer possess ideal physical traits en masse.
It's not wild speculation. It's the current scientifically accepted standpoint for figuring out why differences occur in different ethnicities and people. We also know for a fact that things like hapsburg jaw and other facial deformities occur from inbreeding so that's scientific as well. Everything you say is simply anti-science.
It's not isolated and rare. Users like copingvolcel had this exact same deformity as well as tons of people in Alfaro and Ramieri's Instagram. If we can see that a certain family was confirmed to have inbreeding and almost all of them had underbites, then it's safe to conclude that it's a genetic trait.
Forward growth is related with wider nasal cavity, higher mastication force, air portal size, airway size, trunk and lung capacity, etc. Why do you think people find forward growth attractive? It's an evolved trait that represented higher survival success so women and men alike select for it. It's not vaguely Darwinist language, it's literally basic natural and sexual selection.
Who exactly are these "real scientists" and can you provide a source for their studies? There is evidence of persistent genetic tendency toward malocclusion. As I said, every single person in the royal family of Spain had a hapsburg jaw. Unless they all mouthbreathed, then it's safe to say it's genetic.
:Being recessed causes no harm to your health, aside from rotting here since you can't get any bitches.
Well then you're a science-denying schizoid. How exactly would the same environment cause differences in the development of different ethnic features? I've never heard of anything like this before.
What exactly do you consider to be a developmental explanation? If it's not mewing then what is it?
Continual pressure, or lack thereof, applied to the facial bones while growing. Without the pressure of the jaw closed (and possibly also the tongue position in the mouth), it is possible the jaw would grow differently. This is not a fringe theory, look at Chinese foot binding. Mouthbreathing is a plausible explanation for this.
You're talking about some huge evolutionary pressure, one that is enough to transform the faces of people living a few thousand years apart, yet there is no legitimate evidence of this pressure taking place. You are just inventing a Darwinist-sounding explanation to explain an observation. That's not scientific. That's broscience.
Once again, you use one of the most obscure conditions in human history--a condition that existed in one single family--to explain massive tendencies that are occurring all across the globe. The fact that your best specific example only affected double-digit numbers of people says a lot.
Again, you are applying Darwinist logic to a modern phenomenon. There is no evidence of "forward growth" being a major factor in natural selection in the distant past.
It started with Weston Price. Price was a man of his time, which resulted in some false conclusions, but he nevertheless made observations that were very valuable to medical science. (His focus on vitamins, for instance, was simply a result of the fact that this was something that chemistry had recently revealed.)
Looking at one royal family as an example for all of humanity is probably the worst sample you could possibly select.
Perhaps they all did mouthbreathe. You state that as if it is some absurd possibility, but there is nothing absurd about it at all.
That is a terrible comparison. Mew has proposed an actual growth mechanism for why dysfunctional growth patterns occur. "Walking around naked" is not a growth mechanism.
As I've argued, and as you've admitted at certain points, your "science" is not actually science. It's just a cynicism and authoritarianism that makes you hostile towards new ideas.
Health problems that sometimes require surgery = actual health problems.
I'm comparing "Mewing," the theory that bone changes can occur in adulthood, to the idea that the original development of the bones in childhood was affected by environmental conditions.
You literally just reposted the exact same points from your last argument without any reading through or understanding any of my points.
yOu DoN't UnDeRsTaNd is the oldest cope in the book. You don't have good points, you reason from obscure and irrelevant observations, and there is not science that supports your views. If you want me to have more varied responses, you need to make more varied points.
Because it is one of your more specific statements that is completely untrue. It's one of the examples of you acting like there is science in favor of your views, and then pivoting to your assumptions and broscience.
Yes it's just the posture change that makes your occiput and the entire shape of your skull to change like that. His splanchnocranium literally grew in comparison to his neurocranium.
Bro who is the 2nd dude , holy snap that is some progression
Apparently a bluepilled but extremely dedicated guy from the mewing subreddit. He claims to have started mewing at 17 or almost 18.
Couldn’t care less about those blue pill stuff when he’s giving women the pill after he nuts in them
then what do you think induced those changes? high t?
I read
Making it up.
I can't bother writing my own experience rn, but it was quite crazy(I did Mse+Facemask).I read
www.westonaprice.org
Great article. They saw this bad facial development ppl have nowadays in 2006 already.I can't bother writing my own experience rn, but it was quite crazy(I did Mse+Facemask).
This is worth reading:
Is it Mental or is it Dental?
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Well you cant rlly get surgery for sphenoid so you cant treat the foumdation in this one compared to other stuff
Also impossible to achieve for recessedcels and meltcels who didn't mew in time, as usually even their foreheads are recessed. And bimax will only cause their jaws to be too much forward compared to their foreheads and make them look like a chimpanzee.
I feel like foreheads arent given the importance they deserve on psl forums. Sure other things like jaw, cheekbones and eye area are more important. But a well developed and aesthetically looking forehead can halo both men and women quite a bit, even if other features are just average.
Also impossible to achieve for recessedcels and meltcels who didn't mew in time, as usually even their foreheads are recessed. And bimax will only cause their jaws to be too much forward compared to their foreheads and make them look like a chimpanzee.
It's correct development of the entire skull or death.
you literally destroy most threads you are in. We get less space and we get recessed when young because our parents dont stop us from mouth breathing( every fucking baby I see nowadays has their mouth open the entire time; there are many instances recorded when modern people went to tribes to study them and they saw them close their babies lips when they slept).
My parents stopped me from mouth breathing. My mom literally told me not to breathe through my mouth when I was like 5 because it made you look dumb. I remember I thought I was superior in elementary school because everyone mouth breathed while I kept my mouth shut and inhaled through my nostrils. Still ended up being a recessed dog. It's literally low IQ reasoning. 99% of kids breathe through their mouth when they're young and still become Chads.
Without a pic we are getting nowhere. A very good way to know if you are recessed is to see if your bite is angled downwards(while the top of your ear is in a horizontal line with right above the brow), if you dont have that, then you're recession is 100% genetics.
I have a normal/flat occlusal plane so it's genetics.
I see
So this is just made up. It's a convenient lie that he rolled out late in the thread, after a long and in-depth series of arguments that he failed to mention it in. He thinks he will sound more convincing if he has a more specific, relevant personal anecdote.
In case anyone is reading this but skipped over our little "debate," we should be clear about one thing: There is no scientific proof that malocclusion is genetic. This is something that PSL users made up.
Another assumption presented as fact.
It's not made up at all. I've posted that exact same anecdote a year ago. After further research, I concluded that mouth breathing has little influence on the normal individual since I posted this:
looksmax.org
looksmax.org
This is such a strange response in the context of this thread, I don't even know how to respond.
I don't know if this is what you think qualifies as "based in science."
We have 0 evidence that environment has an influence on jaw forward growth.
This, and nothing else.
Imagine thinking playing videogames could have an effect on your height. It's diet retard. That is why previous generations were shorter. Muh sexual selection yeah almost all of the height gain was prior to 1960 under strict monogamy.
I didn't eat shit. I ate like 1200 calories a day and still do. That was my point, I didn't eat shit and sat slouched over my computer all day. It's ALL genetics. The sooner you understand that, the easier it will be for you to understand.
breastfeeding
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
academic.oup.com
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And you only slept 4 hours a night right?
No, I slept for like 10-12 hours a night during the summers, which is when I grew.And you only slept 4 hours a night right?
Why does every PSLer claim they had this lifestyle growing up?
There is evidence, which I have listed in previous comments.
You're equating random craniofacial deformities with common recession. That is a complete strawman (and not the only strawman you have used in this conversation). I never argued that there are no genetic craniofacial deformities. I'm talking about jaw recession in particular.
Just stating two things that you think are similar and connecting them with phrases like "It's safe to assume it's the same" is not science.
You are projecting so hard right now. I have, time and time again, made rational and specific responses to your points. I even quoted the relevant passages so the conversation is easy to follow. Time and time again, you completely ignore everything I say, repeat your own points ad nauseum, and pretend like you have some kind of airtight logic. I'll give you a specific example:
There's 0 evidence recession is environmental.
I make a response to your comment, listing various comments in response to your specific statements: Bad scientific/medical analogies, your misunderstanding of what science is as a methodology, and I further expanded on a previous exchange we had, in which you failed to understand the basic parameters of a scientific topic and ignored it when I corrected you.
idgaf about ur arguments. I wasted my time replying to your points with evidence-based arguments but you just ignore all of them. You're simply a science-denier and don't understand adaptation and evolution.
true
But this doesn't prove that it's genetic
So inbreeding is a normal occuring phenomenom which explains the genetical caused recession if not also irrelevant example
a specific example isn't transferable to a whole population
true
nah has also to do with hormones which have both genetic and environmental influence
scalp tension partly genetic, partly environmentalI'm just waiting for the day that a "Dr." Mike Mew comes out for dick size and has some theory on why people have bigger dicks. Maybe Africans have bigger dicks because they hang their dicks all day with these
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I'm not obsessively blackpilled to want to prove everything to be bad genetics lmfao. I actually believe in science unlike you. What is balding?
mostly genetic
mostly genetic
mainly genetic
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It does, sleep apnea, body deformation etc
there are obviously genetic differences but nobody lives in the exact same environment
@Chinlet Ascension
both have flatter neck in second pick. Does the neck go back and leave more chin area when you mew + posture or what?
look at the gif in the original post
I'm getting a little tired of this conversation, because I think I've already made all my main points.
If you establish that there is a genetic dynamic going on, that might be relevant. A genetic explanation is purely speculative at this time, with the current evidence.
Not sure what you meant here.
This is exactly like arguing with a woman. I did not ignore any of your points, and I pointed out specific points that you ignored, and you continued to ignore to the very moment your then-account was deleted. (I expect you will read this. You are welcome to continue your flailing on a new account.)
This is the same misunderstanding of science that I pointed out on my February 26 comment. Saying that your idea "makes sense" in some logical conceptual way does not make it true.
I agree
No, I was saying that just because the habsburg jaw is genetic doesn't mean/proof that all the other recessions
I was referring to the comment about dick size
"African" those are PapuanIt's like saying that African people have bigger dicks than Europeans on average because they can walk around naked all day. It's purely genetic but mewcopers like you will never understand. I'm just waiting for the day that a "Dr." Mike Mew comes out for dick size and has some theory on why people have bigger dicks. Maybe Africans have bigger dicks because they hang their dicks all day with these
What I highlighted is in total dissonance with my knowledge of (West) African diets. And I'm sure someone who knows more about European diets could address those claims as well. That makes me really untrustworthy of everything you are saying and makes it seem like you are just making arguments based on mostly wrong assumptions and random evolutionary claims that just so happen to be convenient to your arguments.
Tell me you know nothing about evolution, without telling me you know nothing about evolution. I hope you realize I was arguing for the same thing as you.
