Square Forehead/Hairline - One of the most underappreciated aesthetic and dimorphic feature

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Weird thread since this is one of the most easily fraudable problems if you just cover it up with fringe. I realize it's the equivalent of saying just grow a beard to hide your chin but it's a far better position to be in since all (though mostly young) women love slightly longish hair but not all women are into beards.

 

[chadmanlet04]

Another banger thread @Effortless

 

[Deleted member 16834]

@Korea I know you focus on maxilla but it’s severely overrated. Most girls were visibly turned off by Barrett. I think alveolar prograntism is also what many negroids use as a cope to feel like they have forward growing maxilla’s.

Idk who made maxilla the sole focus of aesthetics. It probably pushed the psl learning curve back by a decade.

Imagine instead of we focused on make squared forhead, prominent nasal bridge and tall projecting chins.

Ignore the ramus. But this alveolar ridge and chin combo is ideal. Its Sharp and angular unlike what most negroids cope with

 

[StrangerDanger]

Yea TBH that might be a good idea to look at the mixed race models.

@StrangerDanger thoughts on me being Depootlite and a outlier to the rule?

Ive never seen you

 

[Deleted member 16834]

Flat lower maxilla is ideal.

Thoughts
@StrangerDanger
@ForeverRecession
@Korea
@AscendingHero

Vs

 

[StrangerDanger]

Flat lower maxilla is ideal.

Thoughts
@StrangerDanger
@ForeverRecession
@Korea
@AscendingHero

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Vs
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Yeah maxilla matters much more for females than men
Straight orthogantic profile is masculine and high class as long as the forehead is forward grown and the maxilla isnt recessed. Doesn't need to protude more than this imo

 

[Deleted member 14160]

Yeah maxilla matters much more for females than men
Straight orthogantic profile is masculine and high class as long as the forehead is forward grown and the maxilla isnt recessed. Doesn't need to protude more than this imo
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Flat lower maxilla is ideal.

Thoughts
@StrangerDanger
@ForeverRecession
@Korea
@AscendingHero

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Vs
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I have barrett level forward growth so I will opt for the former
Flat is an inbred Anglo trait

 

[Deleted member 14160]

Ive never seen you

@Korea didn't u post ur eye area the other day. Aren't you the negro gentleman

 

[Deleted member 16834]

I have barrett level forward growth so I will opt for the former
Flat is an inbred Anglo trait

Understandable have a nice day

 

[Korea]

@Korea didn't u post ur eye area the other day. Aren't you the negro gentleman

Yes, I am thou negro.

 

[Deleted member 16834]

Yeah maxilla matters much more for females than men
Straight orthogantic profile is masculine and high class as long as the forehead is forward grown and the maxilla isnt recessed. Doesn't need to protude more than this imo
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Wait a forward grown forhead just means a portruding browridge and straight forhead correct?

Or is there actually such a thing as forhead recession ?

 

[StrangerDanger]

Wait a forward grown forhead just means a portruding browridge and straight forhead correct?

Or is there actually such a thing as forhead recession ?

No the frontal bone needs to be forward grown relative to the nasion and skull. Or atleast the most bottom part which is why you can still have a sloped forehead thats forward grown like Gandy or John Todd
It's common in ethnics
Prominent browridge with recessed forehead

vs almost no browridge but forward grown forehead

The 2nd pic makes Gandys forehead more recessed

 

[Deleted member 16834]

No the frontal bone needs to be forward grown relative to the nasion and skull. Or atleast the most bottom part which is why you can still have a sloped forehead thats forward grown like Gandy or John Todd
It's common in ethnics
Prominent browridge with recessed forehead
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vs almost no browridge but forward grown forehead
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The 2nd pic makes Gandys forehead more recessed
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BDD unlocked

 

[StrangerDanger]

BDD unlocked
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West and north europeans mostly have forward grown foreheads
recession seem to be more common among slavics in whites

 

[Deleted member 15917]

Is it over for my forehead?

 

[AscendingHero]

angularity is everything. Flat maxilla at the alveolar is required to be human. Sharp prominent nasal bridge is a must. Tall projecting chin is crucial

Caucasian skull is undefeated in every single way shape and form

These traits aren't just excluded to Caucasions tbh.

Also flat maxila isn't ideal, balance between the maxila and mandible is key. Alveolar Protrusion and bimaxxilary protrusion is just an illusion caused by a small recessed maxila -> causing the mandible to remodel leading to a whole host of problems (weak chin, shot tmj, bidental drop off)

Fixing the maxila and the creating the space for the teeth to fit in properly and then allowing the mandible to slide forward is key.

 

[AscendingHero]

angularity is everything. Flat maxilla at the alveolar is required to be human. Sharp prominent nasal bridge is a must. Tall projecting chin is crucial

Caucasian skull is undefeated in every single way shape and form

So basically proper growth in the e-plane, which most ethnics lack. White even if very recessed (the avg) still look decent because of their nasal bridge and tip projection.

 

[AscendingHero]

@Korea I know you focus on maxilla but it’s severely overrated. Most girls were visibly turned off by Barrett. I think alveolar prograntism is also what many negroids use as a cope to feel like they have forward growing maxilla’s.

Idk who made maxilla the sole focus of aesthetics. It probably pushed the psl learning curve back by a decade.

Imagine instead of we focused on make squared forhead, prominent nasal bridge and tall projecting chins.

View attachment 1552880Ignore the ramus. But this alveolar ridge and chin combo is ideal. Its Sharp and angular unlike what most negroids cope with

I disagree

1) The maxila affects everything and to an extent the cranial base comprised of primarily the occiputal and sphenoid bones which everything, from breathing to ear and neurocranium shape, everything.

Barrett has a weak short lower third and lack some important dimorphic features namely a big tall lower third and chin and a prominent supraorital ridge.

Alveolar ridge protrusion comely confused with forward growth which it isn't is a deformity common in Asian and Black populations. It's literally tongue thrusting and teeth tipping.

It's relatively easy to fix. Overly wide short flat nasal bridge and too much lip protrusion relative to the lips and nose and jaws that overly protrude relative to the forehead is what causes that ape look.

Fixing bimax can significantly improve aesthetics. Ideally best approach to this is to move the maxila forward to fix it though and allowing the mandible to catch up

Spoiler: Link between posture and occlusion

(P.S. She didn't do any of this, just teeth tip, it's literally an illlusion, she would ascend hard from a hairline lowering, lefort 3 and lip reduction/hydroqunione) Her head posture is also shit, class 2s and alveolar protrusion is commonly caused by poor head posture -> leading to ill alignment of the cranial base.)

Salludon made insane posture changes and therefore improvements to his skull @Salludon (inb4 mewing cope)

The key is fixing the teeth and allowing the mandible to come forward. Prognathism is just disharmony between the jaws

Nasal bridge, Chin, nasal tip, etc are all easily fixed by surgery too so.

 

[Deleted member 15827]

Another banger thread @Effortless

Bruh what my barber would have known this

 

[AscendingHero]

Flat lower maxilla is ideal.

Thoughts
@StrangerDanger
@ForeverRecession
@Korea
@AscendingHero

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Ideal is a robust andorgenic cranium with ideal maxillary prutrsion (this is near impossible, terachad skull) but would look like this irl:

John Todd's skull is INSANE, imagine he had fuller lips+more robust chin

Matt Lemond too

Overall splenchocranium growth, lower third height>>>>pure maxila.

Orthognathic profile (e plane growth) that is robust with a wide and forward maxila =terachad skull

Carmack in his 40s, unmoggable lower third

 

[AscendingHero]

Yeah maxilla matters much more for females than men
Straight orthogantic profile is masculine and high class as long as the forehead is forward grown and the maxilla isnt recessed. Doesn't need to protude more than this imo
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I'm currently growing my frontal bone, Hexum/Drago/Lundrogen/Lemond have ideal upper thirds at least from profile

Forward grown frontal bone, protruding orbital rims accompained with a stong browridge

Thanos uber dimorphic trait tbh.

Leo Di caprio despite his lack of supraorbital ridge has a very forward grown frontal bone and supraorbital rims that pull his periorbital fat pads forward, mogger in his prime tbh.

 

[AscendingHero]

No the frontal bone needs to be forward grown relative to the nasion and skull. Or atleast the most bottom part which is why you can still have a sloped forehead thats forward grown like Gandy or John Todd
It's common in ethnics
Prominent browridge with recessed forehead
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vs almost no browridge but forward grown forehead
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The 2nd pic makes Gandys forehead more recessed
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Yea the frontal bone should past the eye, mogger deep set trait.

Uber Germanic Gigachad who has browridge+uber deep set eyes. Literally cast shadows around his eyes

 

[AscendingHero]

Yeah maxilla matters much more for females than men
Straight orthogantic profile is masculine and high class as long as the forehead is forward grown and the maxilla isnt recessed. Doesn't need to protude more than this imo
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True but you need good genes for this. And like Dolph a hormonal beast to have such a skull. HIGH IGF-1, growth factors, proper nutrtion and HIGH Androgens.

Dolph is saved by his androgenicty and large splenchocraium. IGF-1 plays a key role in the width and depth of the skull

All of their maxilas aren't ideal. Not wide neither up and forward enough. One can't help but imagine how much better Dolph's paranasal area, cheekbones and lips would be if his maxila supported such.

Maxila is still key tho.

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Same cannot be said with regards to dimorphism (this is what separates males and females). Males need characteristics of masculine dimorphism such as a pronounced nuchal crest, large mastoid process, squared orbits, protruding glabella, square tall and protruding mental eminence, larger occipital condyles, etc etc." -@Kingkellz

 

[AscendingHero]

High Class Bruce Wayne, Superman skull

Forward grown frontal bone, lowset brows, Orthognathic profile, mogger protruding nasal bridge with masculine nasal ratios, bigger splenchocranium, etc.

What @Kingkellz has been preaching forever


Incredibly dimorphic @VeryFuglyNiyguhs

Ubermensch

 

[AscendingHero]

These traits aren't just excluded to Caucasions tbh.

Also flat maxila isn't ideal, balance between the maxila and mandible is key. Alveolar Protrusion and bimaxxilary protrusion is just an illusion caused by a small recessed maxila -> causing the mandible to remodel leading to a whole host of problems (weak chin, shot tmj, bidental drop off)

Fixing the maxila and the creating the space for the teeth to fit in properly and then allowing the mandible to slide forward is key.

So basically proper growth in the e-plane, which most ethnics lack. White even if very recessed (the avg) still look decent because of their nasal bridge and tip projection.
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I disagree

1) The maxila affects everything and to an extent the cranial base comprised of primarily the occiputal and sphenoid bones which everything, from breathing to ear and neurocranium shape, everything.

Barrett has a weak short lower third and lack some important dimorphic features namely a big tall lower third and chin and a prominent supraorital ridge.

Alveolar ridge protrusion comely confused with forward growth which it isn't is a deformity common in Asian and Black populations. It's literally tongue thrusting and teeth tipping.

It's relatively easy to fix. Overly wide short flat nasal bridge and too much lip protrusion relative to the lips and nose and jaws that overly protrude relative to the forehead is what causes that ape look.

Fixing bimax can significantly improve aesthetics. Ideally best approach to this is to move the maxila forward to fix it though and allowing the mandible to catch up
View attachment 1553868

Spoiler: Link between posture and occlusion

(P.S. She didn't do any of this, just teeth tip, it's literally an illlusion, she would ascend hard from a hairline lowering, lefort 3 and lip reduction/hydroqunione) Her head posture is also shit, class 2s and alveolar protrusion is commonly caused by poor head posture -> leading to ill alignment of the cranial base.)

Salludon made insane posture changes and therefore improvements to his skull @Salludon (inb4 mewing cope)

The key is fixing the teeth and allowing the mandible to come forward. Prognathism is just disharmony between the jaws
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Nasal bridge, Chin, nasal tip, etc are all easily fixed by surgery too so.

Ideal is a robust andorgenic cranium with ideal maxillary prutrsion (this is near impossible, terachad skull) but would look like this irl:
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John Todd's skull is INSANE, imagine he had fuller lips+more robust chin
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Matt Lemond too
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Overall splenchocranium growth, lower third height>>>>pure maxila.

Orthognathic profile (e plane growth) that is robust with a wide and forward maxila =terachad skull

Carmack in his 40s, unmoggable lower third
View attachment 1553896View attachment 1553899

I'm currently growing my frontal bone, Hexum/Drago/Lundrogen/Lemond have ideal upper thirds at least from profile

Forward grown frontal bone, protruding orbital rims accompained with a stong browridge

Thanos uber dimorphic trait tbh.

Leo Di caprio despite his lack of supraorbital ridge has a very forward grown frontal bone and supraorbital rims that pull his periorbital fat pads forward, mogger in his prime tbh.
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Yea the frontal bone should past the eye, mogger deep set trait.

Uber Germanic Gigachad who has browridge+uber deep set eyes. Literally cast shadows around his eyes
View attachment 1553915

True but you need good genes for this. And like Dolph a hormonal beast to have such a skull. HIGH IGF-1, growth factors, proper nutrtion and HIGH Androgens.

Dolph is saved by his androgenicty and large splenchocraium. IGF-1 plays a key role in the width and depth of the skull
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All of their maxilas aren't ideal. Not wide neither up and forward enough. One can't help but imagine how much better Dolph's paranasl area, cheekbones and lips would be if his maxila supported such.

Maxila is still key tho.

High Class Bruce Wayne, Superman skull

Forward grown frontal bone, lowset brows, Orthognathic profile, mogger protruding nasal bridge with masculine nasal ratios, bigger splenchocranium, etc.

What @Kingkellz has been preaching forever


Incredibly dimorphic @VeryFuglyNiyguhs
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Ubermensch
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Thoughts?
@VicMackey @Kingkellz @ForeverRecession @Preston @Biiyo03 @alienmaxxer @StrangerDanger @VeryFuglyNiyguhs @volcelfatcel @Korea @MAG27 @chinpilled @Effortless @betamanlet @germanlooks

??

 

[Deleted member 14160]

Thoughts?
@VicMackey @Kingkellz @ForeverRecession @Preston @Biiyo03 @alienmaxxer @StrangerDanger @VeryFuglyNiyguhs @volcelfatcel @Korea @MAG27 @chinpilled @Effortless @betamanlet @germanlooks

??

As are all of your posts over 25 word count, I will not read but legit react because I know you are high iq

 

[AscendingHero]

As are all of your posts over 25 word count, I will not read but legit react because I know you are high iq

Lmao, i'll take the reacts anyways

 

[Phillybeard1996]

High Class Bruce Wayne, Superman skull

Forward grown frontal bone, lowset brows, Orthognathic profile, mogger protruding nasal bridge with masculine nasal ratios, bigger splenchocranium, etc.

What @Kingkellz has been preaching forever


Incredibly dimorphic @VeryFuglyNiyguhs
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Ubermensch
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Have you seen blacks or Asians who have all these traits? I'm talking full Asians and blacks

 

[AscendingHero]

Have you seen blacks or Asians who have all these traits? I'm talking full Asians and blacks

It's very rare, maybe some east africans and mixed ones. Full asians, no. Changs are giga rare, and the most gl ones are hapa so.

Mulatto mogger

Louis "mr. androgens" Allen

Other examples

One of the biggest changs of all time, Simonas Pham (hapa tho) has good growth. His nasal bridge is kinda flat and low and his frontal bone is not that forward grown and he has a flat forehad (lack of supraorbital ridge) but it works with his prettyboy/maesthtic look

Mirin his freckles tbh

This guy is hapa maybe idk (was @gigachang 's pfp R.I.P. btw)

Another one


It can happen on full breeds but many have some form of Euro admixture. Very rare trait but like @VicMackey once said,

Also imo any pheno-atypical but nevertheless harmonic features on someone looks so so striking imo

This is your deepset hunter eyes on an indian View attachment 1449210

Your small european nose and projected chin on a black guy View attachment 1449212

So true ^^

 

[AscendingHero]

Have you seen blacks or Asians who have all these traits? I'm talking full Asians and blacks

Idk but this half breed has excellent craniofacial growth and soft features

 

[Deleted member 16346]

It's very rare, maybe some east africans and mixed ones. Full asians, no. Changs are giga rare, and the most gl ones are hapa so.

Mulatto mogger
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Louis "mr. androgens" Allen
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Other examples
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One of the biggest changs of all time, Simonas Pham (hapa tho) has good growth. His nasal bridge is kinda flat and low and his frontal bone is not that forward grown and he has a flat forehad (lack of supraorbital ridge) but it works with his prettyboy/maesthtic look

Mirin his freckles tbh
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This guy is hapa maybe idk (was @gigachang 's pfp R.I.P. btw)
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Another one


It can happen on full breeds but many have some form of Euro admixture. Very rare trait but like @VicMackey once said,

So true ^^

Ive always considered Toshiro Mifune one of the best looking asians cuz he has ultra rare dense brows just like Pham

 

[AscendingHero]

W

Ive always considered Toshiro Mifune one of the best looking asians cuz he has ultra rare dense brows just like Pham View attachment 1554009

When he engages his currogator muscles like he does there, his eyebrows appear medially short

And his soft features (lips, nose) & philtrum aren't good. Appears his philtrum is flat and he has a thin neck.

Short chin too.

 

[AscendingHero]

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Idk but this half breed has excellent craniofacial growth and soft features

Mogger looks mostly caucasiod with some asian

 

[Phillybeard1996]

W

W

When he engages his currogator muscles like he does there, his eyebrows appear medially short

And his soft features (lips, nose) & philtrum aren't good. Appears his philtrum is flat and he has a thin neck.

Short chin too.

What the ideal philtrum?

 

[StrangerDanger]

Thoughts?
@VicMackey @Kingkellz @ForeverRecession @Preston @Biiyo03 @alienmaxxer @StrangerDanger @VeryFuglyNiyguhs @volcelfatcel @Korea @MAG27 @chinpilled @Effortless @betamanlet @germanlooks

??

Man your posts are information overload
You spitting facts

 

[Phillybeard1996]

It's very rare, maybe some east africans and mixed ones. Full asians, no. Changs are giga rare, and the most gl ones are hapa so.

Mulatto mogger
View attachment 1553991

Louis "mr. androgens" Allen
View attachment 1554001
Other examples
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One of the biggest changs of all time, Simonas Pham (hapa tho) has good growth. His nasal bridge is kinda flat and low and his frontal bone is not that forward grown and he has a flat forehad (lack of supraorbital ridge) but it works with his prettyboy/maesthtic look

Mirin his freckles tbh
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This guy is hapa maybe idk (was @gigachang 's pfp R.I.P. btw)
View attachment 1553996

Another one


It can happen on full breeds but many have some form of Euro admixture. Very rare trait but like @VicMackey once said,

So true ^^

Many asian I notice have strong jaws but everything else is bad and many of the times they have weak chinz

 

[tyronelite]

Another banger. Bookmarked..

Can’t wait for my hair transplant

 

[Deleted member 16834]

No the frontal bone needs to be forward grown relative to the nasion and skull. Or atleast the most bottom part which is why you can still have a sloped forehead thats forward grown like Gandy or John Todd
It's common in ethnics
Prominent browridge with recessed forehead
View attachment 1552927
vs almost no browridge but forward grown forehead
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The 2nd pic makes Gandys forehead more recessed
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@AscendingHero

Does Leo have a forward grown forhead? I mean the frontal bone not the supraorbital rims.

 

[StrangerDanger]

@AscendingHero

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Does Leo have a forward grown forhead? I mean the frontal bone not the supraorbital rims.

Yes
this would be a recessed

 

[Deleted member 16834]

Yes
this would be a recessed
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The first guys frontal bone goes over his eyes tho

 

[StrangerDanger]

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The first guys frontal bone goes over his eyes tho

yes but barely

 

[AscendingHero]

Yeah maxilla matters much more for females than men
Straight orthogantic profile is masculine and high class as long as the forehead is forward grown and the maxilla isnt recessed. Doesn't need to protude more than this imo
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Agreed but i still think that skull+more forward maxilas looks better tho.

Notice how their noses are all projecting and giving midfacial depth.

Over for flat noses cels.

Good lower third present as well

 

[BeenLMSsinceMSN]

Yea the frontal bone should past the eye, mogger deep set trait.

Uber Germanic Gigachad who has browridge+uber deep set eyes. Literally cast shadows around his eyes
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Who is this?

 

[Beau_Gosse]

Bookmarked. One of the best threads I’ve read here. It explains why I’ve always, subconsciously, covered my forehead with bangs

 

[EnjoyerOf Water]

The guys here with shitty foreheads and shitty hairlines, should they get a hair transplant without changing their forehead? Can hair be placed where there never was before?

 

[Anakin]

what

i need a forehead implant badly, as soon I as get to the craniofacial doctor I need to ask them for a procedure. My scalp is further back because of the frontal bone deficiency, if I get the implant then the scalp will stretch back to the original place. Brutal that I need to pay thousands just to reverse a deformity.

what exactly is your issue? i can maybe help

 

[horizontallytall]

Thats one more reason here is fucking lifeView attachment 1352641View attachment 1352642

Man if u jut so hard ur jaw will fall off

 

[grooxx]

F

Over for my curved forehead

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At this point, get chinwing and embrace being a 8/10

 

[YabadiDabado]

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