Starting late, starting ugly, looking for advice I can start with

[Kazura_]

I’m 23, 6ft, 80kg. No gym. No real routine. I’ve just been running a few times a week for general health ( 2km-5km ) , but nothing structured.


I’ve started this thread to hold myself accountable. I’ll post updates and maybe pictures here as things change. I know I’m starting at a bad baseline, my face is uneven, low contrast, no definition, and I don’t really think clothes or skincare will fix that.


So far I’ve tried a Vitamin C toner and Cerave moisturiser (pics taken right after that). Skin feels smoother / looks a bit better , but IMO clear skin isn’t the main problem, even with perfect skin if I use some filter I still hate how I look . I’ve worn suits, tried better posture, but the mirror always says the same thing. I want to change that.


I’m not expecting anyone to sugarcoat anything, but I do want advice. I’ve read a lot of threads and seen how intense this community is. So I’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m just not sure where to begin. That’s why I’m asking:


• Should I start training first ( home workout ) before trying to change my face?
• Will testosterone gains from lifting or cutting actually reshape my bone structure over time? ( how long should I wait? 2 months of running and pushups? )
• Or are there things I should be doing now while I wait for access to a gym?


I don’t expect people here to hand me a plan, but if you’ve been in a similar spot or started from a bad place, I’d really appreciate a push in the right direction.


I’d like to see visible improvement before I turn 24 , that’s the goal. Right now I’ve got time, and I want to use it well.


Thanks to anyone who replies seriously.

 

[KekLord]

nothing you can do

 

[t4s1r]

I’m 23, 6ft, 80kg. No gym. No real routine. I’ve just been running a few times a week for general health ( 2km-5km ) , but nothing structured.


I’ve started this thread to hold myself accountable. I’ll post updates and maybe pictures here as things change. I know I’m starting at a bad baseline, my face is uneven, low contrast, no definition, and I don’t really think clothes or skincare will fix that.


So far I’ve tried a Vitamin C toner and Cerave moisturiser (pics taken right after that). Skin feels smoother / looks a bit better , but IMO clear skin isn’t the main problem, even with perfect skin if I use some filter I still hate how I look . I’ve worn suits, tried better posture, but the mirror always says the same thing. I want to change that.


I’m not expecting anyone to sugarcoat anything, but I do want advice. I’ve read a lot of threads and seen how intense this community is. So I’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m just not sure where to begin. That’s why I’m asking:


• Should I start training first ( home workout ) before trying to change my face?
• Will testosterone gains from lifting or cutting actually reshape my bone structure over time? ( how long should I wait? 2 months of running and pushups? )
• Or are there things I should be doing now while I wait for access to a gym?


I don’t expect people here to hand me a plan, but if you’ve been in a similar spot or started from a bad place, I’d really appreciate a push in the right direction.


I’d like to see visible improvement before I turn 24 , that’s the goal. Right now I’ve got time, and I want to use it well.


Thanks to anyone who replies seriously.

Grow out your hair, a lot of guys overlook it but it’s pretty easy and changes a lot and if you can’t fly to turkey and get a transplant and keep it dark as well as your eyebrows like the last 2 pics (maybe even darker), your nose is absolutely cooked a rhinoplasty would help but worry about surgeries later. As of now go to the gym and lift, start mewing, eat healthy and cut out sugar, and start doing facial exercises (do some research on what’s best for you). Also you have a pretty shit hairline so get a hairstyle to cover it maybe a perm would help when you grow out ur hair enough. If you do this you’ll hopefully go up a point or 2. Good luck!

 

[Lewisleslie]

Only thing you can do is lose weight or get surgery

 

[vzub]

Alot of surgery

 

[invainhav]

All retarded newfags here will tell you to get surgery but heres what you need to do to softmax. Nose is bulbous so use HC 1 percent to reduce its size guide can be found on the site ; you have a long philtrum so grow a moustache and that will better it can be paired well with a goatee. Your jaw is excellent almost close to ideal no need to work on those.

 

[Kazura_]

Grow out your hair, a lot of guys overlook it but it’s pretty easy and changes a lot and if you can’t fly to turkey and get a transplant and keep it dark as well as your eyebrows like the last 2 pics (maybe even darker), your nose is absolutely cooked a rhinoplasty would help but worry about surgeries later. As of now go to the gym and lift, start mewing, eat healthy and cut out sugar, and start doing facial exercises (do some research on what’s best for you). Also you have a pretty shit hairline so get a hairstyle to cover it maybe a perm would help when you grow out ur hair enough. If you do this you’ll hopefully go up a point or 2. Good luck!

Thanks, that's like the only actual response so far, hair wise I agree it seems fucked, I can't get a consistent texture or style and it seems different everyday so I usually just get a short haircut. Can't really go gym but have a pull-up bar and dumbbells, mewing I will look into again since I feel like nothing happens mouth wise even when looking at the images. Might try longer hair since I never really tried it before properly at least

 

[copercel123]

I’m 23, 6ft, 80kg. No gym. No real routine. I’ve just been running a few times a week for general health ( 2km-5km ) , but nothing structured.


I’ve started this thread to hold myself accountable. I’ll post updates and maybe pictures here as things change. I know I’m starting at a bad baseline, my face is uneven, low contrast, no definition, and I don’t really think clothes or skincare will fix that.


So far I’ve tried a Vitamin C toner and Cerave moisturiser (pics taken right after that). Skin feels smoother / looks a bit better , but IMO clear skin isn’t the main problem, even with perfect skin if I use some filter I still hate how I look . I’ve worn suits, tried better posture, but the mirror always says the same thing. I want to change that.


I’m not expecting anyone to sugarcoat anything, but I do want advice. I’ve read a lot of threads and seen how intense this community is. So I’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m just not sure where to begin. That’s why I’m asking:


• Should I start training first ( home workout ) before trying to change my face?
• Will testosterone gains from lifting or cutting actually reshape my bone structure over time? ( how long should I wait? 2 months of running and pushups? )
• Or are there things I should be doing now while I wait for access to a gym?


I don’t expect people here to hand me a plan, but if you’ve been in a similar spot or started from a bad place, I’d really appreciate a push in the right direction.


I’d like to see visible improvement before I turn 24 , that’s the goal. Right now I’ve got time, and I want to use it well.


Thanks to anyone who replies seriously.

wtf is that nose. Any way there’s actually nothing you can do, soft max will nothing and all you can do is only to hardmax. Even roids won’t help you tbh. If your rich hardmax if your not then save up money asap

 

[Kazura_]

All retarded newfags here will tell you to get surgery but heres what you need to do to softmax. Nose is bulbous so use HC 1 percent to reduce its size guide can be found on the site ; you have a long philtrum so grow a moustache and that will better it can be paired well with a goatee. Your jaw is excellent almost close to ideal no need to work on those.

Thanks, the surgery comments are so useless. I thought the point of this site was to be the best version of yourself and making the most of what you have naturally is the first step, everyone's potential is different, I could do everything right and then be limited by genetics and then maybe sure this is a reason to get surgery but I will never get surgery until I first put in the effort myself.

Idk what HC 1 is but I'll see if I can get some for the nose, I can try to grow facial hair again as well and then maybe make a before/ after post and see how it turns out. Jaw wise I can try gym and mewing and it will improve it I guess but right now like you said it's not too bad

 

[oska_blnn]

Thanks, the surgery comments are so useless. I thought the point of this site was to be the best version of yourself and making the most of what you have naturally is the first step, everyone's potential is different, I could do everything right and then be limited by genetics and then maybe sure this is a reason to get surgery but I will never get surgery until I first put in the effort myself.

Idk what HC 1 is but I'll see if I can get some for the nose, I can try to grow facial hair again as well and then maybe make a before/ after post and see how it turns out. Jaw wise I can try gym and mewing and it will improve it I guess but right now like you said it's not too bad

i can send you the link for it and HC 1 basically just stands for Hydrocortisone 1% there is a good guide to it after you read it you will understand what it does.

 

[Joshrc]

Man i need ur fucking jaw to mog

 

[Orthognathic]

I’ve started this thread to hold myself accaccountable.

For what? Being born with bad genetics? Not your fault and nothing you can do.

 

[iblamemandible7]

Get on dutasteride asap on top of what everyone else said, itll save your hairline and your skin quality

 

[looks>books]

I’m 23, 6ft, 80kg. No gym. No real routine. I’ve just been running a few times a week for general health ( 2km-5km ) , but nothing structured.


I’ve started this thread to hold myself accountable. I’ll post updates and maybe pictures here as things change. I know I’m starting at a bad baseline, my face is uneven, low contrast, no definition, and I don’t really think clothes or skincare will fix that.


So far I’ve tried a Vitamin C toner and Cerave moisturiser (pics taken right after that). Skin feels smoother / looks a bit better , but IMO clear skin isn’t the main problem, even with perfect skin if I use some filter I still hate how I look . I’ve worn suits, tried better posture, but the mirror always says the same thing. I want to change that.


I’m not expecting anyone to sugarcoat anything, but I do want advice. I’ve read a lot of threads and seen how intense this community is. So I’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m just not sure where to begin. That’s why I’m asking:


• Should I start training first ( home workout ) before trying to change my face?
• Will testosterone gains from lifting or cutting actually reshape my bone structure over time? ( how long should I wait? 2 months of running and pushups? )
• Or are there things I should be doing now while I wait for access to a gym?


I don’t expect people here to hand me a plan, but if you’ve been in a similar spot or started from a bad place, I’d really appreciate a push in the right direction.


I’d like to see visible improvement before I turn 24 , that’s the goal. Right now I’ve got time, and I want to use it well.


Thanks to anyone who replies seriously.

Not over

I see potential

Just the basic softmaxxes

I see a similar ascension to this guy

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Hit him up

Also Jesus Saves gl

 

[mrriceguyreturn]

Hair system, lip filler, derotation + augmentation rhino with columella lowering and tip and alar base reduction, premaxillary augmentation, minoxidil and dye for brows

 

[AnythingToAscend]

pin 1g of test and ogremaxx bro its the only way

 

[Kazura_]

Not over

I see potential

Just the basic softmaxxes

I see a similar ascension to this guy

FULL ANTI-AGING GUIDE / YOUTHFULLNESS MAXXING/ AGE PILL NO MORE!

FULL GUIDE ON ENTIRE BODY YOUTHMAXXING, FUCKING AGE PILL AND PRESERVATION OF YOUTHFULLNESS FIRST I'LL START WITH MY RESULTS I HAVE MADE IN 2 YEARS OF TRIAL AND ERROR Here is me at 23, looking ogre like, collagenless/elastinless thinning skin with terrible texure, sun damage, uneven tone, huge...

looksmax.org

Hit him up

Also Jesus Saves gl

Thanks bro, that thread was interesting, I bookmarked it so I can look at it after work again

 

[Deusmaximus]

pin 1g of test and ogremaxx bro its the only way

100%
Go for the brute MMA ogre bouncer look. Cover yourself in tattoos and wear leather coats.

 

[Blud_99]

You need to train your hyoid. Do chin tucks

 

[Elias144]

Honestly I think you aren't unattractive except for your nose unfortunately. It doesn't help you to beat around the bush. A less bulbous nose would make you significantly more attractive and it's your most glaring flaw. If you don't want to do surgeries, the best thing you can do for overall attractiveness will just be lose as much body fat as possible. Seriously though consider a nose job. It's not that crazy- people get them all the time for this exact reason.

 

[Lawton88]

It's not a huge issue but like said above a nose job would improve your looks.

 

[SexWhale]

You will 100% need rhino. And also lean down, figure out a gym routine. I recommend PHUL it’s good for beginners and can be used up until you’re intermediate level.

 

[Kazura_]

Honestly I think you aren't unattractive except for your nose unfortunately. It doesn't help you to beat around the bush. A less bulbous nose would make you significantly more attractive and it's your most glaring flaw. If you don't want to do surgeries, the best thing you can do for overall attractiveness will just be lose as much body fat as possible. Seriously though consider a nose job. It's not that crazy- people get them all the time for this exact reason.

Yeah tbh all the negative comments are about the nose which is feedback I would never get irl. I asked my only irl friend for his opinion and he gave me typical glaze validation. actually felt good about myself for a few hours until he sent the pics and it shattered my delusion , which is what made me make an account here. I think I need to exercise first since my facial structure will change but some things I still struggle with are like even if I workout and face changes a little for the better if the hair is fucked then not much I can do . Every day I end up looking a bit different, only think that changes is the hair ig but when it looks bad..

 

[Foreverbrad]

I think there are some good bones under that fat. You can sort of see cheekbone outline.

Just losing weight and rhinoplasty might be enough. Although lips look a little weird hinting at a bite issue too?

 

[Kazura_]

I think there are some good bones under that fat. You can sort of see cheekbone outline.

Just losing weight and rhinoplasty might be enough. Although lips look a little weird hinting at a bite issue too?

Appreciate the feedback. Not really sure what a bite issue would look like, but I’ve noticed I grind my teeth a lot when I sleep. I always wake up with pressure lines on the inside of my cheeks from clenching. Could that be connected?

Also not sure if my lips/mouth area looks off because of that or something else I feel like compared to other looksmaxing people I don't even seem to have lips most of the time but wasn't sure if it was just a genetic thing . If you’ve seen similar before let me know what to look for.

 

[skullmog]

I’m 23, 6ft, 80kg. No gym. No real routine. I’ve just been running a few times a week for general health ( 2km-5km ) , but nothing structured.


I’ve started this thread to hold myself accountable. I’ll post updates and maybe pictures here as things change. I know I’m starting at a bad baseline, my face is uneven, low contrast, no definition, and I don’t really think clothes or skincare will fix that.


So far I’ve tried a Vitamin C toner and Cerave moisturiser (pics taken right after that). Skin feels smoother / looks a bit better , but IMO clear skin isn’t the main problem, even with perfect skin if I use some filter I still hate how I look . I’ve worn suits, tried better posture, but the mirror always says the same thing. I want to change that.


I’m not expecting anyone to sugarcoat anything, but I do want advice. I’ve read a lot of threads and seen how intense this community is. So I’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m just not sure where to begin. That’s why I’m asking:


• Should I start training first ( home workout ) before trying to change my face?
• Will testosterone gains from lifting or cutting actually reshape my bone structure over time? ( how long should I wait? 2 months of running and pushups? )
• Or are there things I should be doing now while I wait for access to a gym?


I don’t expect people here to hand me a plan, but if you’ve been in a similar spot or started from a bad place, I’d really appreciate a push in the right direction.


I’d like to see visible improvement before I turn 24 , that’s the goal. Right now I’ve got time, and I want to use it well.


Thanks to anyone who replies seriously.

save money for surgery

 

[TitusA]

I’m 23, 6ft, 80kg. No gym. No real routine. I’ve just been running a few times a week for general health ( 2km-5km ) , but nothing structured.


I’ve started this thread to hold myself accountable. I’ll post updates and maybe pictures here as things change. I know I’m starting at a bad baseline, my face is uneven, low contrast, no definition, and I don’t really think clothes or skincare will fix that.


So far I’ve tried a Vitamin C toner and Cerave moisturiser (pics taken right after that). Skin feels smoother / looks a bit better , but IMO clear skin isn’t the main problem, even with perfect skin if I use some filter I still hate how I look . I’ve worn suits, tried better posture, but the mirror always says the same thing. I want to change that.


I’m not expecting anyone to sugarcoat anything, but I do want advice. I’ve read a lot of threads and seen how intense this community is. So I’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m just not sure where to begin. That’s why I’m asking:


• Should I start training first ( home workout ) before trying to change my face?
• Will testosterone gains from lifting or cutting actually reshape my bone structure over time? ( how long should I wait? 2 months of running and pushups? )
• Or are there things I should be doing now while I wait for access to a gym?


I don’t expect people here to hand me a plan, but if you’ve been in a similar spot or started from a bad place, I’d really appreciate a push in the right direction.


I’d like to see visible improvement before I turn 24 , that’s the goal. Right now I’ve got time, and I want to use it well.


Thanks to anyone who replies seriously.

Honestly id say use melanotan 2 and testosterone. You need to train first though or your body will not cope with the increase workload.


Test improves ur looks + an ssri counterracts the negative effects of androgens on the brain but make sure ur diet is dialed in and you are active (outside of the gym) so doing walks etc.

Also if you are fine going the drug route use oral minox in addition to dutasteride (which you need to use if injecting test)

 

[copeforlife]

I’m 23, 6ft, 80kg. No gym. No real routine. I’ve just been running a few times a week for general health ( 2km-5km ) , but nothing structured.


I’ve started this thread to hold myself accountable. I’ll post updates and maybe pictures here as things change. I know I’m starting at a bad baseline, my face is uneven, low contrast, no definition, and I don’t really think clothes or skincare will fix that.


So far I’ve tried a Vitamin C toner and Cerave moisturiser (pics taken right after that). Skin feels smoother / looks a bit better , but IMO clear skin isn’t the main problem, even with perfect skin if I use some filter I still hate how I look . I’ve worn suits, tried better posture, but the mirror always says the same thing. I want to change that.


I’m not expecting anyone to sugarcoat anything, but I do want advice. I’ve read a lot of threads and seen how intense this community is. So I’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m just not sure where to begin. That’s why I’m asking:


• Should I start training first ( home workout ) before trying to change my face?
• Will testosterone gains from lifting or cutting actually reshape my bone structure over time? ( how long should I wait? 2 months of running and pushups? )
• Or are there things I should be doing now while I wait for access to a gym?


I don’t expect people here to hand me a plan, but if you’ve been in a similar spot or started from a bad place, I’d really appreciate a push in the right direction.


I’d like to see visible improvement before I turn 24 , that’s the goal. Right now I’ve got time, and I want to use it well.


Thanks to anyone who replies seriously.

ig start basic softmaxxing and continue going to gym and work on running every day, probably 3-5 miles perday in the morning to help get tried of sleep bloating. I would say go into a caloric deficit until you hit your desired weight and do not start drugs. It is not needed for a while. Start doing calisthetics, dips pullups, and pushups. Please no drugs for a while. focus on whole foods, don't eat processed foods a lot sorry for typos.

 

[Th3Man]

Get a hair transplant or forehead reduction surgery to make your facial 3rds more equal.

Then get a rhinoplasty and a lip filler.

Then leanmax.

Maybe try out some facial hair.

I believe that will make you a 5-6.

Then from then you can run numbers game. But right now you're sub-5 and it's mainly cause of your nose and forehead and lips.