Steroid guide chatgptcels GTFIH

[guts3]

Alr so first I want to apologize for the horrendous quality of this thread as I'm making this on my phone

Since steroids are becoming more and more mainstream among clueless cucks and half of you don’t know what you're doing @n7ebnenta7ar and I decided to collab on this thread to help you understand the risks and benefits of each steroid, we made a list covering AAS that are conducive to looksmaxxing


The color will tell you how dangerous they are

Green: basically no sides

Yellow: as long as you know what you're doing you're fine

Red: you can fuck yourself up pretty badly if you're not careful


Testosterone:
We all know that Ted is best, but why is that?
Testosterone agonizes (activates) the androgen receptors like any other AAS. Your body makes estrogen and DHT out test. Estrogen is what causes your epiphyses to close, so testosterone should always be paired with an AI during puberty

Spoiler: Study

Evidence That Estrogen Hastens Epiphyseal Fusion and Cessation of Longitudinal Bone Growth by Irreversibly Depleting the Number of Resting Zone Progenitor Cells in Female Rabbits - PMC

With age, growth plate cartilage undergoes programmed senescence, eventually causing cessation of bone elongation and epiphyseal fusion. Estrogen accelerates this developmental process. We hypothesized that senescence occurs because progenitor cells ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

DHT causes penile growth and masculinization of soft tissue during puberty

Spoiler: Study

Effects of pre- and post-pubertal dihydrotestosterone treatment on penile length in 5α-reductase type 2 deficiency - PubMed

Steroid 5α-reductase type 2 deficiency (5αRD2) is a congenital disorder of sex development caused by impairment of conversion from testosterone (T) to 5α-dihydrotestosterone (DHT). DHT deficiency leads to various degrees of undervirilized external genitalia including micropenis, primarily...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

After puberty there is no reason to have high DHT so supress it with fin or dut. Let's get back to test. Activating the AR leads to an increase in growth velocity

Spoiler: Study

A double blind, placebo controlled study of the effects of low dose testosterone undecanoate on the growth of small for age, prepubertal boys - PMC

OBJECTIVE--To assess whether very low doses of testosterone can accelerate growth without an undue advance in bone age in prepubertal boys with constitutional delay of growth. SUBJECTS--23 prepubertal boys aged 11-14 years with height at or below ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not only does it affect growth velocity but it also increases bone mass during development

Spoiler: Study

Effect of testosterone on bone density and bone metabolism in adolescent male hypogonadism - PubMed

To assess the influence of gonadal steroid testosterone (T) on bone mineral status in males during puberty, we observed the response of cortical bone density and serum biochemical parameters of bone metabolism to T treatment in 12 adolescent patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (11 with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And in adulthood

Spoiler: Study

Testosterone and Bone Health in Men: A Narrative Review - PMC

Bone fracture due to osteoporosis is an important issue in decreasing the quality of life for elderly men in the current aging society. Thus, osteoporosis and bone fracture prevention is a clinical concern for many clinicians. Moreover, testosterone ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And then it obviously also increases muscle mass which I think everyone knows but I'll still link a study on it since the world is full of retards

Spoiler: Study

Effect of testosterone on muscle mass and muscle protein synthesis - PubMed

We have studied the effect of a pharmacological dose of testosterone enanthate (3 mg.kg-1.wk-1 for 12 wk) on muscle mass and total-body potassium and on whole-body and muscle protein synthesis in normal male subjects. Muscle mass estimated by creatinine excretion increased in all nine subjects...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anavar:
An oral anabolic steroid. It is a DHT derivative so it does not aromatize. Although it is 17-alpha alkylated it doesn't cause a lot of liver toxicity because it barely gets metabolized by the liver and is pretty much excreted unchanged. It increases collagen synthesis

Spoiler: Study

The Influence of the Anabolic Agent, Oxandrolone, upon the Expression of Procollagen Types I and III mRNA in Human Fibroblasts Cultured on Collagen or Plastic

pure.psu.edu

It also increases growth velocity in children

Spoiler: Study

Oxandrolone in constitutionally delayed growth, a longitudinal study up to final height - PubMed

Twenty-seven prepubertal boys and 9 prepubertal girls with constitutionally delayed growth were treated with the anabolic steroid oxandrolone for 12 months and followed until they reached final height. Sixteen boys were treated with a mean dose of 0.12 mg/kg.day [low dose (LD)] and 11 boys with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lastly anavar also increases your natural GH production

Spoiler: Study

Growth and growth hormone responses to oxandrolone in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP) - PubMed

Thirteen boys with constitutional delay in growth and/or development aged 7.6 to 16 years received 2.5 mg/day of oxandrolone for 3 months. Their growth response on treatment and in the subsequent 3 months was compared to that of 14 age-matched untreated controls. Growth rates were analysed in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Nandrolone:
Nandrolone is an AAS that naturally occurs in your body. It is made during aromatization (the conversion of test to estrogen, but it still activates the AR. There are other mechanisms involved which I won't discuss here but basically it's the goat for bone growth, it's what tren wish it was.

Spoiler: Study

Effects of the anabolic steroid nandrolone phenylpropionate on craniofacial growth in rats - PubMed

Primary testosterone and its derivatives are anabolic steroids used in the treatment of osteoporosis and Turner syndrome. They also enhance fast-twitch muscle weight in female rats. The present study examines the effect of an anabolic steroid on craniofacial growth and development in rats...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Although it is a product of aromatase nandrolone itself barely aromatizes. It does increase aromatase expression though, so if you're running even a low dose of t with it you should be on an AI
Anyways be careful with nandrolone as it is one of the worst steroids for your heart, always pair it with ancillaries like Telmisartan and nebivolol. If you take those two you should be safe. Like always do your own research

Tren:
It does what what nandrolone does, the only difference being that it has mental side effects and it is anti catabolic on both bone and muscle by inhibiting glucocorticoids. Don't touch it, you can just get the glucocorticoid inhibition from anavar



Lmk if this thread is missing something or I made a mistake anywhere

Spoiler: Tags

@Volksstaffel @n7ebnenta7ar @synic7

 

[Volksstaffel]

Alr so first I want to apologize for the horrendous quality of this thread as I'm making this on my phone

Since steroids are becoming more and more mainstream among clueless cucks and half of you don’t know what you're doing @n7ebnenta7ar and I decided to collab on this thread to help you understand the risks and benefits of each steroid, we made a list covering AAS that are conducive to looksmaxxing


The color will tell you how dangerous they are

Green: basically no sides

Yellow: as long as you know what you're doing you're fine

Red: you can fuck yourself up pretty badly if you're not careful


Testosterone:
We all know that Ted is best, but why is that?
Testosterone agonizes (activates) the androgen receptors like any other AAS. Your body makes estrogen and DHT out test. Estrogen is what causes your epiphyses to close, so testosterone should always be paired with an AI during puberty

Spoiler: Study

Evidence That Estrogen Hastens Epiphyseal Fusion and Cessation of Longitudinal Bone Growth by Irreversibly Depleting the Number of Resting Zone Progenitor Cells in Female Rabbits - PMC

With age, growth plate cartilage undergoes programmed senescence, eventually causing cessation of bone elongation and epiphyseal fusion. Estrogen accelerates this developmental process. We hypothesized that senescence occurs because progenitor cells ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

DHT causes penile growth and masculinization of soft tissue during puberty

Spoiler: Study

Effects of pre- and post-pubertal dihydrotestosterone treatment on penile length in 5α-reductase type 2 deficiency - PubMed

Steroid 5α-reductase type 2 deficiency (5αRD2) is a congenital disorder of sex development caused by impairment of conversion from testosterone (T) to 5α-dihydrotestosterone (DHT). DHT deficiency leads to various degrees of undervirilized external genitalia including micropenis, primarily...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

After puberty there is no reason to have high DHT so supress it with fin or dut. Let's get back to test. Activating the AR leads to an increase in growth velocity

Spoiler: Study

A double blind, placebo controlled study of the effects of low dose testosterone undecanoate on the growth of small for age, prepubertal boys - PMC

OBJECTIVE--To assess whether very low doses of testosterone can accelerate growth without an undue advance in bone age in prepubertal boys with constitutional delay of growth. SUBJECTS--23 prepubertal boys aged 11-14 years with height at or below ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not only does it affect growth velocity but it also increases bone mass during development

Spoiler: Study

Effect of testosterone on bone density and bone metabolism in adolescent male hypogonadism - PubMed

To assess the influence of gonadal steroid testosterone (T) on bone mineral status in males during puberty, we observed the response of cortical bone density and serum biochemical parameters of bone metabolism to T treatment in 12 adolescent patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (11 with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And in adulthood

Spoiler: Study

Testosterone and Bone Health in Men: A Narrative Review - PMC

Bone fracture due to osteoporosis is an important issue in decreasing the quality of life for elderly men in the current aging society. Thus, osteoporosis and bone fracture prevention is a clinical concern for many clinicians. Moreover, testosterone ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And then it obviously also increases muscle mass which I think everyone knows but I'll still link a study on it since the world is full of retards

Spoiler: Study

Effect of testosterone on muscle mass and muscle protein synthesis - PubMed

We have studied the effect of a pharmacological dose of testosterone enanthate (3 mg.kg-1.wk-1 for 12 wk) on muscle mass and total-body potassium and on whole-body and muscle protein synthesis in normal male subjects. Muscle mass estimated by creatinine excretion increased in all nine subjects...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anavar:
An oral anabolic steroid. It is a DHT derivative so it does not aromatize. Although it is 17-alpha alkylated it doesn't cause a lot of liver toxicity because it barely gets metabolized by the liver and is pretty much excreted unchanged. It increases collagen synthesis

Spoiler: Study

The Influence of the Anabolic Agent, Oxandrolone, upon the Expression of Procollagen Types I and III mRNA in Human Fibroblasts Cultured on Collagen or Plastic

pure.psu.edu

It also increases growth velocity in children

Spoiler: Study

Oxandrolone in constitutionally delayed growth, a longitudinal study up to final height - PubMed

Twenty-seven prepubertal boys and 9 prepubertal girls with constitutionally delayed growth were treated with the anabolic steroid oxandrolone for 12 months and followed until they reached final height. Sixteen boys were treated with a mean dose of 0.12 mg/kg.day [low dose (LD)] and 11 boys with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lastly anavar also increases your natural GH production

Spoiler: Study

Growth and growth hormone responses to oxandrolone in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP) - PubMed

Thirteen boys with constitutional delay in growth and/or development aged 7.6 to 16 years received 2.5 mg/day of oxandrolone for 3 months. Their growth response on treatment and in the subsequent 3 months was compared to that of 14 age-matched untreated controls. Growth rates were analysed in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Nandrolone:
Nandrolone is an AAS that naturally occurs in your body. It is made during aromatization (the conversion of test to estrogen, but it still activates the AR. There are other mechanisms involved which I won't discuss here but basically it's the goat for bone growth, it's what tren wish it was.

Spoiler: Study

Effects of the anabolic steroid nandrolone phenylpropionate on craniofacial growth in rats - PubMed

Primary testosterone and its derivatives are anabolic steroids used in the treatment of osteoporosis and Turner syndrome. They also enhance fast-twitch muscle weight in female rats. The present study examines the effect of an anabolic steroid on craniofacial growth and development in rats...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Although it is a product of aromatase nandrolone itself barely aromatizes. It does increase aromatase expression though, so if you're running even a low dose of t with it you should be on an AI
Anyways be careful with nandrolone as it is one of the worst steroids for your heart, always pair it with ancillaries like Telmisartan and nebivolol. If you take those two you should be safe. Like always do your own research

Tren:
It does what what nandrolone does, the only difference being that it has mental side effects and it is anti catabolic on both bone and muscle by inhibiting glucocorticoids. Don't touch it, you can just get the glucocorticoid inhibition from anavar



Lmk if this thread is missing something or I made a mistake anywhere

Spoiler: Tags

@Volksstaffel @n7ebnenta7ar @synic7

Lovely

 

[guts3]

@ilovekolaches here you go. It's not that long but at least I didn't make it with chatgpt and didn't spread any misinformation about "muscle density and maturity"

 

[rotation]

not a bad thread, but if you are going to make a thread like this - go into more detail about each one and actually cover a wide variety of steroids

do we even have a good mega-thread on steroids in this forum?

+ it may be important to mention that to take any of these steroids, including anavar, you need a testosterone base

people take info like this at face-value and want to run anavar alone because it is the only 'safe' one according to this

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Green: basically no sides

Testosterone:

Anavar:

 

[rotation]

imo, no steroids whatsoever should be in the 'no sides' section

every single one should either be yellow, or red

 

[NordicLeonhard]

Getting steroid information from .org

 

[ascent]

good but for anavar i recommend noting that anavar may increase growth velocity, but final adult height remains unnaffected, it just simply accelerates maturity, same with most steroids

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

imo, no steroids whatsoever should be in the 'no sides' section

every single one should either be yellow, or red

trt could be green
but I agree

 

[guts3]

not a bad thread, but if you are going to make a thread like this - go into more detail about each one and actually cover a wide variety of steroids

do we even have a good mega-thread on steroids in this forum?

+ it may be important to mention that to take any of these steroids, including anavar, you need a testosterone base

people take info like this at face-value and want to run anavar alone because it is the only 'safe' one according to this

Tbf if you run anavar at a low enough dose like 5-10mg which is all you need for anti catabolism and AR activation it barely impacts LH and FSH so it's a net positive. But yeah I'll include that next time

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Getting steroid information from .org

not a bad idea
better than asking randoms in your gym or some roid forum ogres

 

[guts3]

Getting steroid information from .org

That's why I said do your own research. This is made for complete beginners who's only other source is chatgpt

 

[notgraycel245969]

Green: basically no sides

Anavar:

DHT derivative

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

but final adult height remains unnaffected, it just simply accelerates maturity, same with most steroids

this is false
you can get 2+cm/year additional with HGH + ai

 

[NordicLeonhard]

not a bad idea
better than asking randoms in gym or some roid forum ogres

Roid forums are definently better as long as its not from like 2000s. Also dont ask questions, Just look for old threads. Your question has already been answered hundreds of times.

 

[rotation]

Getting steroid information from .org

keep in mind the average person is getting their information from a 40 year old roidhead who claims 500 test 400 tren is the bare minimum for a first cycle

.org is honestly one of the better places for advice on these things, especially since niggas spreading misinformation get attacked pretty quickly

 

[rotation]

Roid forums are definently better as long as its not from like 2000s. Also dont ask questions, Just look for old threads. Your question has already been answered hundreds of times.

people on roid forums get away with spreading misinformation, and the average person seen as authority is an old roidhead

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Roid forums are definently better as long as its not from like 2000s. Also dont ask questions, Just look for old threads. Your question has already been answered hundreds of times.

better in terms of health maybe
they just don't prioritize youth indicators

 

[NordicLeonhard]

a 40 year old roidhead who claims 500 test 400 tren is the bare minimum for a first cycle

.org

Why do you niggas think that there are only these two options holy fuck you need to do more research

 

[guts3]

trt could be green
but I agree

Test in general would be green as it's the safest AAS, even safer than anavar but since surprisingly many people don't know about AIs and are terrible at dosing I put anavar as safer although for an experienced user test won't be problematic at all

 

[zentro]

helpful

 

[rotation]

Test in general would be green as it's the safest AAS, even safer than anavar but since surprisingly many people don't know about AIs and are terrible at dosing I put anavar as safer although for an experienced user test won't be problematic at all

do you actually know anything about AAS?

are you aware you cannot run anavar without testosterone, which renders its apparent 'safety' irrelevant

since surprisingly many people don't know about AIs and are terrible at dosing I put anavar as safer

if people are terrible at dosing testosterone why would they be fine dosing anavar?

 

[ascent]

this is false
you can get 2+cm/year additional with HGH + ai

are you retarded? oxandrolones skeletal maturity acceleration isnt caused by estrogenic effects but by the mechanism of action which even non-aromatizing androgens increase growth plate sensitivity to closure signals (that are not just estrogen lmfao)

it acts on an estrogen independent pathway and even at that I was talking about anavar itself... not paired with anything because even the op didnt mention adding an ai nor hgh

DHT derivative so it does not aromatiz

 

[n7ebnenta7ar]

Peak

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Test in general would be green as it's the safest AAS, even safer than anavar but since surprisingly many people don't know about AIs and are terrible at dosing I put anavar as safer although for an experienced user test won't be problematic at all

agreed

 

[n7ebnenta7ar]

do you actually know anything about AAS?

are you aware you cannot run anavar without testosterone, which renders its apparent 'safety' irrelevant



if people are terrible at dosing testosterone why would they be fine dosing anavar?

Anavar is more forgiving everybody knows that

 

[guts3]

do you actually know anything about AAS?

are you aware you cannot run anavar without testosterone, which renders its apparent 'safety' irrelevant



if people are terrible at dosing testosterone why would they be fine dosing anavar?

Alr so first of all you can run anavar at a therapeutic dose without full testosterone supression, so an anavar only cycle would be possible

Spoiler: Proof

https://magistralbr.caldic.com/storage/product-files/1371804238.pdf

As for your second point I can totally see some retard inject half a vial of t thinking it's the normal dose but I don't really see anyone taking over 10 pills at once. Just because people are more used to taking pills and they know that taking a lot is pretty uncommon

 

[rotation]

Alr so first of all you can run anavar at a therapeutic dose without full testosterone supression, so an anavar only cycle would be possible

niggas just be making threads with no actual understanding of what they are talking about

the data you showed, and other clinical data, shows even extremely low therapeutic doses causes moderately high suppression, and 5-10mg (which is way, way too low for any significant gym gains) causes very significant suppression, almost complete shutdown

the anavar does not obviously replace any testosterone, just provides androgen receptor activation

not only will this fuck you up in a load of ways, it is also going to blunt gains across any period of time over like 1 or 2 weeks

an anavar only cycle is going to have a detrimental effect

 

[guts3]

niggas just be making threads with no actual understanding of what they are talking about

the data you showed, and other clinical data, shows even extremely low therapeutic doses causes moderately high suppression, and 5-10mg (which is way, way too low for any significant gym gains) causes very significant suppression, almost complete shutdown

the anavar does not obviously replace any testosterone, just provides androgen receptor activation

not only will this fuck you up in a load of ways, it is also going to blunt gains across any period of time over like 1 or 2 weeks

an anavar only cycle is going to have a detrimental effect

So first of all read the fucking study you moron, second of all the thread is about looksmaxxing which involves a lot more than just gymcelling. Anavar at a low dose isn't really useful for the gym, it's mostly there for bone gains. And I won't reply to you if you don't show actual evidence as your statements have no value without proof

 

[hej1377]

Dnr'd you disgusting dark mode cell

 

[Linus1888]

An oral anabolic steroid. It is a DHT derivative so it does not aromatize. Although it is 17-alpha alkylated it doesn't cause a lot of liver toxicity because it barely gets metabolized by the liver and is pretty much excreted unchanged. It increases collagen synthesis

"basically no sides" completely wrong mate