Surgeries will ruin your life

[CosmicMaxxer]

he is coping hard obviously, but going from 5'7 to 6'1 not worth it
too long legs and short arms as a result, not aesthetic

you should have stopped at 5'10 bro

You've seen my body? I look perfectly proportional. 95 cm sitting height with a large skull and broad shoulders due to implants. No one gives a rats ass about arm length. There's even a study showing arm length makes no difference to attractiveness up to 3 sd.

 

[Entschuldigung]

no pics no care
only tales

 

[Deleted member 5786]

You've seen my body? I look perfectly proportional. 95 cm sitting height with a large skull and broad shoulders due to implants. No one gives a rats ass about arm length. There's even a study showing arm length makes no difference to attractiveness up to 3 sd.

havent seen your body unfortunately
can you pm me ?

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

havent seen your body unfortunately
can you pm me ?

still recovering from delt/skull implants, will pm when I'm not swollen

 

[Deleted member 5786]

still recovering from delt/skull implants, will pm when I'm not swollen

but doubt you have good proportions man...
from 5'7 to 6'1
your legs must be too long for you body

 

[subhuman incel]

you motherfucker, show fucking pics or get banned. trying to delete your competetion fucking disgusting. i will get my bimax and infra-malar implants and ascend motherfucker, im not dumb enough to chose low iq doctors like you chose and i mkake sure i eat a healthy diet so i can reover well. we are not all braindead like you and do dumb mistakes @OldVirgin

 

[Gengar]

I will consider posting any proof stuff

point being. Even if I was fake. Which I am not. Is what I am saying true or not. Surgeries will not make you Chad. You will be disappointed.
You have been through so much as well.
Was it worth it?

Send me proof in PM, I will vouch for you when you send me. I won't leak your pictures. Can't say the same for other users, there's a lot of douchebags on here that would share it privately with others. I'm your best bet.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

you motherfucker, show fucking pics or get banned. trying to delete your competetion fucking disgusting. i will get my bimax and infra-malar implants and ascend motherfucker, im not dumb enough to chose low iq doctors like you chose and i mkake sure i eat a healthy diet so i can reover well. we are not all braindead like you and do dumb mistakes @OldVirgin

better chose doctors in russia for surgeries
good quality and relatively cheap than in overprice places like america

 

[subhuman incel]

fucking bitches everywhere making me mad

 

[Deleted member 4430]

you havent written anything that most people with a little observation ability havent found out a long time ago. You can never be GL unless you already are, for the simple reason that looks and beauty are more than feature xy and most of the craniofacial problem still cant be solved from the aesthetic point of view with todays technology.

people like cosmicmaxxerwhoever have a bias, which only keeps them from the rope, because when you spend a lot of money and especially TIME, it is clear that you will not admit that you will never be the mythical chad that people bow to.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Dnrd no pics = shit thread

 

[Gaia262]

Hello
I’m long time lurker of psl. Years. I have seen the thread by @CosmicMaxxer and that lead me to making my own experience with surgeries.

I have done so many surgeries also. Maybe 12 or more years. LL twice including multiple corrections and surgeries Achilles etc (6cm total), custom full facial implant surgery twice, rhino twice, otoplasty twice, voice surgery (fat injection- nothing happened), genio, first chin implant, ht twice scalp and eyebrow.

Notice most of these had to be done twice. Some will need third. That’s the first thing. There’s nearly always a fuck up. Or a revision needed. Surgeries don’t really work like you think. There’s always some issue.

Second, surgeons are full of shit. They’ll promise all and go along with it al and will fall short. Then no more help once done.

Third, Big one. There’s is no such thing as an ascension to Chad or slayer through surgery. Show me one. There’s none. Pipe dream. Sorry. You’ll get minor improvements at best with any surgery even radical. And I argue the trade off is not worth the effort at all.

So, a lot of young people here just posting for fun which is great. But anyone here like I was years ago thinking this will change your life and be some kind of sex god. FORGET IT! (Username ) won’t happen.

The wasted time all those years. Saving for surgeries makes you a hermit loser. Bad results and hiding after makes you a hermit loser. I am tragically too old now even if all went very well. Not worth it. I missed out.

And the trauma of all the surgeries. Probably 10-12+ Very long duration general anaesthesia. Body wrecked. Family worried all those years. Money. Brutal recoveries. Pain. Actual suffering. It’s rough. It has damaged me mentally no doubt.

the final result. I am not that much better looking or higher smv than the start. Also older now. Not worth it.
Obviously I won’t be sharing details and pics. But I have done all. Don’t want to be a meme on top of being a waste.

Anyway why share. Other account other day I am interested to hear what he thinks too. But it is not me trying to save the world. The reason I am sharing this is tragically. When you do these surgeries. When you research like crazy and know all kinds of terms and ideals etc. It doesn’t matter. When you have a problem. Outcome gone wrong etc. (Which IT WILL) then everyone will see you as the crazy deranged obsessed dysmorphic vain perfectionist idiot. And it will be seen as YOUR fault. Even when you do all right as a patient. Disaster. The shame of it all. The Shame of recovery is brutal, shame of looking “operated on” is brutal but nothing compares to when it goes wrong and all the objective reasoning in the world can’t communicate to people other than “you crazy vain fool”

so at least here people get it. Understand the attempts to ascend and goals etc.

but my warning as someone who has been through most of it. Forget it. It’s not “over” Blackpill ldar. But the surgeries are not worth it at all. Will ruin your life.
soft maxxes, being nt and social and accepting your looks match and rejections are better. Make small changes.
The reality is, even if you became Chad (which there is not one case of happening btw) even then, you’re still a fraud. Have to deal with that personally and with any future partner. And your genes will still be there for your kids.
Can’t fool nature.

hope you enjoyed the read and all. That’s my advice. Good luck to all trolls etc I won’t interact.

Hi bro, i see the rationale behind it. It seems to be the case you are making is managing expectations.

You have to understand that not everyone is expecting to become chad nor is it possible, but to go from deformed/ugly to normie is a life changing experience.

Even when everything is done right Higher tier normie can be done.

What do you propose these deformed people do instead with their time? Slay? Approach girls. By virtue of being ugly/deformed the only thing they can do is rot and be societies spit buckets. They are systemically ostracised from "living life" and are hyper aware of this.

I dont think people should invest over a decade into this but a total span of 3 years is fair, a year or so researching and 2 years implementing the plan to completion.

Yes there is a risk things can go wrong but its an investment with risk margins. It's why this forum exists to mitigate these risks.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Hello
I’m long time lurker of psl. Years. I have seen the thread by @CosmicMaxxer and that lead me to making my own experience with surgeries.

I have done so many surgeries also. Maybe 12 or more years. LL twice including multiple corrections and surgeries Achilles etc (6cm total), custom full facial implant surgery twice, rhino twice, otoplasty twice, voice surgery (fat injection- nothing happened), genio, first chin implant, ht twice scalp and eyebrow.

Notice most of these had to be done twice. Some will need third. That’s the first thing. There’s nearly always a fuck up. Or a revision needed. Surgeries don’t really work like you think. There’s always some issue.

Second, surgeons are full of shit. They’ll promise all and go along with it al and will fall short. Then no more help once done.

Third, Big one. There’s is no such thing as an ascension to Chad or slayer through surgery. Show me one. There’s none. Pipe dream. Sorry. You’ll get minor improvements at best with any surgery even radical. And I argue the trade off is not worth the effort at all.

So, a lot of young people here just posting for fun which is great. But anyone here like I was years ago thinking this will change your life and be some kind of sex god. FORGET IT! (Username ) won’t happen.

The wasted time all those years. Saving for surgeries makes you a hermit loser. Bad results and hiding after makes you a hermit loser. I am tragically too old now even if all went very well. Not worth it. I missed out.

And the trauma of all the surgeries. Probably 10-12+ Very long duration general anaesthesia. Body wrecked. Family worried all those years. Money. Brutal recoveries. Pain. Actual suffering. It’s rough. It has damaged me mentally no doubt.

the final result. I am not that much better looking or higher smv than the start. Also older now. Not worth it.
Obviously I won’t be sharing details and pics. But I have done all. Don’t want to be a meme on top of being a waste.

Anyway why share. Other account other day I am interested to hear what he thinks too. But it is not me trying to save the world. The reason I am sharing this is tragically. When you do these surgeries. When you research like crazy and know all kinds of terms and ideals etc. It doesn’t matter. When you have a problem. Outcome gone wrong etc. (Which IT WILL) then everyone will see you as the crazy deranged obsessed dysmorphic vain perfectionist idiot. And it will be seen as YOUR fault. Even when you do all right as a patient. Disaster. The shame of it all. The Shame of recovery is brutal, shame of looking “operated on” is brutal but nothing compares to when it goes wrong and all the objective reasoning in the world can’t communicate to people other than “you crazy vain fool”

so at least here people get it. Understand the attempts to ascend and goals etc.

but my warning as someone who has been through most of it. Forget it. It’s not “over” Blackpill ldar. But the surgeries are not worth it at all. Will ruin your life.
soft maxxes, being nt and social and accepting your looks match and rejections are better. Make small changes.
The reality is, even if you became Chad (which there is not one case of happening btw) even then, you’re still a fraud. Have to deal with that personally and with any future partner. And your genes will still be there for your kids.
Can’t fool nature.

hope you enjoyed the read and all. That’s my advice. Good luck to all trolls etc I won’t interact.

@StrangerDanger thots on this thread

 

[subhuman incel]

Hi bro, i see the rationale behind it. It seems to be the case you are making is managing expectations.

You have to understand that not everyone is expecting to become chad nor is it possible, but to go from deformed/ugly to normie is a life changing experience.

Even when everything is done right Higher tier normie can be done.

What do you propose these deformed people do instead with their time? Slay? Approach girls. By virtue of being ugly/deformed the only thing they can do is rot and be societies spit buckets. They are systemically ostracised from "living life" and are hyper aware of this.

I dont think people should invest over a decade into this but a total span of 3 years is fair, a year or so researching and 2 years implementing the plan to completion.

Yes there is a risk things can go wrong but its an investment with risk margins. It's why this forum exists to mitigate these risks.

OP is a normie so he doesnt understand truecels and incels. if he would be a subhuman he would never type like this cause when you are a subhuman you have nothing to lose. he had something to lose since he was a normie from starting point. so i get that. he just wanted to be chad and get girls from looks alone, he didnt want to deal with that nt and socialising bullshit. he just wanted to mog cause i think he was a bit (maybe still is) insecure.

 

[Forget it]

Hi bro, i see the rationale behind it. It seems to be the case you are making is managing expectations.

You have to understand that not everyone is expecting to become chad nor is it possible, but to go from deformed/ugly to normie is a life changing experience.

Even when everything is done right Higher tier normie can be done.

What do you propose these deformed people do instead with their time? Slay? Approach girls. By virtue of being ugly/deformed the only thing they can do is rot and be societies spit buckets. They are systemically ostracised from "living life" and are hyper aware of this.

I dont think people should invest over a decade into this but a total span of 3 years is fair, a year or so researching and 2 years implementing the plan to completion.

Yes there is a risk things can go wrong but its an investment with risk margins. It's why this forum exists to mitigate these risks.

I agree exactly with your 3 year proposal there. That should be max. But a little life in that time too. Not hermit mode.

I can empathise with those who are genuinely ugly and are scorned. I was average. But I can imagine it is rough. I think 3 years still to figure things out and try improve. If genuinely ugly that base is not going to have a lot to work with. The structural base (bones like jaw, frame, height) won’t be able to support much difference.

I also have to wonder maybe to not be scorned for being ugly, but to go from slightly below average to average, or avg to slight above avg smv, there’s not a whole lot of difference in life quality. Esp after trade off of time and suffering to achieve it.

An element of acceptance has to be reached. Not special snowflake syndrome, not unrealistic mr hardcore looksmaxer

it’s up to all of you. But from someone who spent all my prime 14 years or so and actually did the big surgeries multiple times. I can tell you. It wasn’t worth it at all. This is something I’m guessing people will have to go through to see for themselves.
No one could have talked me out of surgeries all this time. I would have thought they were bluepill fools. Now I think they were right all along, not for the reasons they said (looks don’t matter that much lies) but they were right about surgeries not being the answer. The result disappoint and you lose your life time trying to do them.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Hello
I’m long time lurker of psl. Years. I have seen the thread by @CosmicMaxxer and that lead me to making my own experience with surgeries.

I have done so many surgeries also. Maybe 12 or more years. LL twice including multiple corrections and surgeries Achilles etc (6cm total), custom full facial implant surgery twice, rhino twice, otoplasty twice, voice surgery (fat injection- nothing happened), genio, first chin implant, ht twice scalp and eyebrow.

Notice most of these had to be done twice. Some will need third. That’s the first thing. There’s nearly always a fuck up. Or a revision needed. Surgeries don’t really work like you think. There’s always some issue.

Second, surgeons are full of shit. They’ll promise all and go along with it al and will fall short. Then no more help once done.

Third, Big one. There’s is no such thing as an ascension to Chad or slayer through surgery. Show me one. There’s none. Pipe dream. Sorry. You’ll get minor improvements at best with any surgery even radical. And I argue the trade off is not worth the effort at all.

So, a lot of young people here just posting for fun which is great. But anyone here like I was years ago thinking this will change your life and be some kind of sex god. FORGET IT! (Username ) won’t happen.

The wasted time all those years. Saving for surgeries makes you a hermit loser. Bad results and hiding after makes you a hermit loser. I am tragically too old now even if all went very well. Not worth it. I missed out.

And the trauma of all the surgeries. Probably 10-12+ Very long duration general anaesthesia. Body wrecked. Family worried all those years. Money. Brutal recoveries. Pain. Actual suffering. It’s rough. It has damaged me mentally no doubt.

the final result. I am not that much better looking or higher smv than the start. Also older now. Not worth it.
Obviously I won’t be sharing details and pics. But I have done all. Don’t want to be a meme on top of being a waste.

Anyway why share. Other account other day I am interested to hear what he thinks too. But it is not me trying to save the world. The reason I am sharing this is tragically. When you do these surgeries. When you research like crazy and know all kinds of terms and ideals etc. It doesn’t matter. When you have a problem. Outcome gone wrong etc. (Which IT WILL) then everyone will see you as the crazy deranged obsessed dysmorphic vain perfectionist idiot. And it will be seen as YOUR fault. Even when you do all right as a patient. Disaster. The shame of it all. The Shame of recovery is brutal, shame of looking “operated on” is brutal but nothing compares to when it goes wrong and all the objective reasoning in the world can’t communicate to people other than “you crazy vain fool”

so at least here people get it. Understand the attempts to ascend and goals etc.

but my warning as someone who has been through most of it. Forget it. It’s not “over” Blackpill ldar. But the surgeries are not worth it at all. Will ruin your life.
soft maxxes, being nt and social and accepting your looks match and rejections are better. Make small changes.
The reality is, even if you became Chad (which there is not one case of happening btw) even then, you’re still a fraud. Have to deal with that personally and with any future partner. And your genes will still be there for your kids.
Can’t fool nature.

hope you enjoyed the read and all. That’s my advice. Good luck to all trolls etc I won’t interact.

Great sharing.

My general opinions.
1. Surgery works for ascending maybe, when you have one big flaw that it will fix. And after that fix, everything is pretty harmonious and proportionate.
It won't work in general, if you need many operations, to get harmony.
2. Surgeons, to often lose sight of harmony and proportionality of face. To much focus on 1 individual feature.

 

[Forget it]

From reading replies I can see there is still a sort of patient blaming.

where the doctors try to gaslight and say my genuine concerns and bad results are because of being too unrealistic/obsessed perfectionist. The replies here are doing their own sort of deflection: calling me stupid/you don’t know the correct informationhow dare you stop us”, special snowflake responses (not special/ugly like “us”).

all fine. I didn’t expect a sort of deflection like that here. I’m saying now. With all your research and “perfect planning” and how you may think you truly understand it all. You will go for some surgeries and don’t be surprised if it is not what you thought.

And genuinely, best of luck to you all when you do.

 

[Forget it]

Great sharing.

My general opinions.
1. Surgery works for ascending maybe, when you have one big flaw that it will fix. And after that fix, everything is pretty harmonious and proportionate.
It won't work in general, if you need many operations, to get harmony.
2. Surgeons, to often lose sight of harmony and proportionality of face. To much focus on 1 individual feature.

there are a few limited cases of someone becoming highly very attractive from some procedures or few procedures, that is, what we can see was done.
tom cruise someone saying. I imagine he does huge amounts of cosmetic work. The jaw and teeth/smile was a nice improvement for him.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Surgery for practical improvement is very limited. The most improvable thing is bones such as jaw and zygos, eyes is a no go unless you have a good base and only need to fix the scleral show or shitty undereye. Rhino won't make you attractive but can help a little. Hair is legit but other than that you cant do much, you can't sculpt the face,however you want, it's all about the base. Ascending the face to the point you get the halo effect is very difficult. Honestly most people on this forum are better off building their smv at the gym.

 

[Forget it]

There’s just little things one has to personally experience to know. Can talk all day.

for examples:
- trying to save the money being a hermit.
- hidden in hotels, the shame of going around like a freak while recovering.
- if complication and look uncanny you will not be meeting your friends or possibly family for a long time

- waking up from multi hour anaesthesia procedures. Absolute rotten feeling.
- being in foreign countries alone trying to get things done and being totally dependent in vulnerable state. Have broken legs abroad with no speaking and see how that is

- the shame when someone notices your low density ht, when they ask “what’s wrong with your…”, see your scars and ask, or hollows if stretched skin etc etc
Absolute gut wrenching

I’m here now recovering once again. Knowing I still have problems and issues and uncanny problems. And money is gone. And no doctor to sort out issues left. And no matter what it will always be “my” fault. Surgeons and all do not take responsibility. You will have to experience that for yourself

 

[Forget it]

Surgery for practical improvement is very limited. The most improvable thing is bones such as jaw and zygos, eyes is a no go unless you have a good base and only need to fix the scleral show or shitty undereye. Rhino won't make you attractive but can help a little. Hair is legit but other than that you cant do much, you can't sculpt the face,however you want, it's all about the base. Ascending the face to the point you get the halo effect is very difficult. Honestly most people on this forum are better off building their smv at the gym.

As someone who has implanted every feature on my face, with custom implants, brow, temples, zyg arch, all orbital rim, malar, paranasal, nasal, all jaw and genio.

soft tissues do not adapt. Some of you may do one feature. But realistically, will that make that much of a difference. The slight improvements are not worth it. And all out and the soft tissues can’t take it. Surgery doesn’t work ime.

gym natty probably is better off. Unironically.
No surgery for genes. Say you do all and look great. And get a Stacy even. Well your genes will still be passed to the kid. And even then you say that’s a higher quality than if you recreated with looksmatch. Yes. But if that Stacy went with the natural Gl Chad that is nature’s best product. That’s the way it should be really. You’ll always be a fraud.
and for people complaining about suffering for being ugly etc. Your kids will suffer like you. It’s awful to say but true.
I think we have to not try to con nature. In the long run you don’t win. Yes some fisherian runaway and all that and some exaggeration in nature but not too much or it will only catch you in the end.

 

[Gaia262]

I agree exactly with your 3 year proposal there. That should be max. But a little life in that time too. Not hermit mode.

I can empathise with those who are genuinely ugly and are scorned. I was average. But I can imagine it is rough. I think 3 years still to figure things out and try improve. If genuinely ugly that base is not going to have a lot to work with. The structural base (bones like jaw, frame, height) won’t be able to support much difference.

I also have to wonder maybe to not be scorned for being ugly, but to go from slightly below average to average, or avg to slight above avg smv, there’s not a whole lot of difference in life quality. Esp after trade off of time and suffering to achieve it.

An element of acceptance has to be reached. Not special snowflake syndrome, not unrealistic mr hardcore looksmaxer

it’s up to all of you. But from someone who spent all my prime 14 years or so and actually did the big surgeries multiple times. I can tell you. It wasn’t worth it at all. This is something I’m guessing people will have to go through to see for themselves.
No one could have talked me out of surgeries all this time. I would have thought they were bluepill fools. Now I think they were right all along, not for the reasons they said (looks don’t matter that much lies) but they were right about surgeries not being the answer. The result disappoint and you lose your life time trying to do them.

I think the problem is that you spent 14 years implementing the plan. You are essentially accruing damage mentally and physically with age especially in this mindset.

If you did it in 3 years and then spent 11 years capitalising on the gains in terms of being NT (clubbing, traveling , dating ect) it would be worth it.

Telling people to play the numbers game and just approach is bad advice and is disrespectful to say to users on here.

Isolating one area is not a good idea I strongly believe in fixing everything (Hair, body, face) will yield an overall significant impact. And is straight forward (please see my signature)

The alternative of not fixing your faults is a life of missed opportunities, underwhelming social events and relationships. A 2nd class life. even a 3rd class life if you are a truecel.

It reminds of squid games, people risking their lives for money to a normal person its retarded but only if you understood having zero money (which they showed) do you understand you have no other option.

Looksmaxxing does work this includes roids and hair systems ect. This does make a difference in your life and outcomes especially when done well. But its just an aspect of your life not it's entirety.

The key Is to do your absolute best, fix everything that can reasonably be fixed within a reasonable time frame and then move on with other areas your life.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

soft tissues do not adapt. Some of you may do one feature.

Can u elaborate on this? What exactly do u mean when soft tissues that do not adapt? Are u talking about the chimp lips that people who have undergone bimax sometimes get or the bloated look that implants sometimes give?

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

Can u elaborate on this? What exactly do I mean when soft tissues that do not adapt? Are u talking about the chimp lips that people who have undergone bimax sometimes get or the bloated look that implants sometimes give?

If anything implants improve soft tissues by stretching the skin in a youthful manner. If you are getting jaw implants to improve definition you should also get procedures to slim the lower cheeks. Not sure what this coping ranter is going on about.

 

[Gaia262]

Unironically.
No surgery for genes. Say you do all and look great. And get a Stacy even. Well your genes will still be passed to the kid. And even then you say that’s a higher quality than if you recreated with looksmatch. Yes. But if that Stacy went with the natural Gl Chad that is nature’s best product. That’s the way it should be really. You’ll always be a fraud.
and for people complaining about suffering for being ugly etc. Your kids will suffer like you. It’s awful to say but true.
I think we have to not try to con nature. In the long run you don’t win.

Regarding your argument about your kids inheriting your shit genes.

Being good looking will allow you to secure a better woman = better genes. Women do this all the time to attract higher quality men. Women fraud like crazy, make up is the biggest frauder.

You are actually doing your kids a favour securing the best woman you can get. At least you can look them in the face and say you did your best and mean it.

The alternative of settling with your looks match which is what you want , is guaranteed to produce ugly kids. Alot of guys can't even get their looks match.

Also you have the knowledge to improve their PSL from day 1 instead of letting the cycle continue. (Correct nutrition, no pollutants ect)

If you are truly blackpilled you would look into pgd (designer kids) to ensure they are not genetic dead ends (this is what i plan on doing I have no intention of natural)

 

[Germania]

a completely different question, what are your plans for the rest of your life now after all that stuff?

 

[Forget it]

Yes

I think the problem is that you spent 14 years implementing the plan. You are essentially accruing damage mentally and physically with age especially in this mindset.

If you did it in 3 years and then spent 11 years capitalising on the gains in terms of being NT (clubbing, traveling , dating ect) it would be worth it.

Telling people to play the numbers game and just approach is bad advice and is disrespectful to say to users on here.

Isolating one area is not a good idea I strongly believe in fixing everything (Hair, body, face) will yield an overall significant impact. And is straight forward (please see my signature)

The alternative of not fixing your faults is a life of missed opportunities, underwhelming social events and relationships. A 2nd class life. even a 3rd class life if you are a truecel.

It reminds of squid games, people risking their lives for money to a normal person its retarded but only if you understood having zero money (which they showed) do you understand you have no other option.

Looksmaxxing does work this includes roids and hair systems ect. This does make a difference in your life and outcomes especially when done well. But its just an aspect of your life not it's entirety.

The key Is to do your absolute best, fix everything that can reasonably be fixed within a reasonable time frame and then move on with other areas your life.

Yes it has taken its toll on me. Too much damage. If someone in early 20s spent 3 years and was able to get a few procedures and then live the life for next 10 years. Worth it. But how to afford that early and how to be sure it will make you very attractive. Skipping college and spending on surgeries worth it more. Honestly for me, being 6 cm taller is worth more than a college degree nowadays. Be prepared for disappointments after surgeries. Just look at the people here who have. Are they slayers now? No. And look at the high rate of disappointment/ revision rate they need. Granted most people don’t want to show self so we don’t know for sure. But in my exp too.

doing what you can looksmaxxing and living life while numbers game is not bad advice at all. I wish i did it instead of way I went.

there is risk and reward. And it’s not as simple as insert implants and insert penis in ladies

yes women are biologically driven but they have a mental component too. Bisexuality in women 60-80% environmental, look at them with blacks now (no offence but it is latest phenomenon) they are hive minded and follow not just looks.

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

Post some damn proof, it’s been long enough. Show some bloody legs or surgery quotes or something. Jig is up buddy.

 

[Forget it]

Can u elaborate on this? What exactly do u mean when soft tissues that do not adapt? Are u talking about the chimp lips that people who have undergone bimax sometimes get or the bloated look that implants sometimes give?

Yes.
bimax similar to chin implant and genio. Can mess up the mentalis muscle (which is for lifting bottom lip) this causes mouth drip. I have this problem now and it has not been corrected. Mentalis resuspension is needed.

The bloating. In order to insert an implant on bone the surgeon has to cut away the muscle attachment to fit it in. This did not reattach. So depending on the implant (size and material) this can result in now sagging and drooping soft tissues. Usually seen in the sub malar roundness and bloated look after cheek implants. Some surgeons use a mid face resuspension here where the soft tissue can be stitched to the silicone to keep it in place. But silicone of course has possible erosion issues and also is soft to can round and not have the angular rigid feature that masculine aesthetic requires. On the other side. Peek or titanium or rigid materials. Which I have. They can not be folded or bent to fit in to the incisions and placed. So require huge cuts. This can ruin soft tissues. The. You have nerve and vessels and all that affecting placement. It is a bit of a minefield. If you see shelf implants they are very small and shaped in certain ways so that they can be placed. Rigid peek even if ct scan custom can still be off. And there is no bending so it will poke out. I have this problem.
Then you have soft tissue problems like a reattached muscle not attaching again properly leaving depressions or hollows. Which I had. Then there is issues jaw implant clamping down on the masseter and leaving a void where there is no muscle. I had that and still a bit. Chin height is very difficult as it requires enough laxity of soft tissue to accommodate the pull without lip droop.
There’s tonnes of these examples. I’ve had a lot of them. It’s not as simple as it pulls and then right so better skin. Too much oil for example around eye and you will have eye canthus hollowing. Which I had. Makes you look very weird and ruins any other look.

then if any parameter of the implant design is slightly off in any way it will be uncanny. Recent guy here with malar frontal issue. This is all very very common. It’s knots impossible to get it all right and also have an effective impressive change.
I hope that answers some of the issues.

 

[Forget it]

There’s just so many small cruel things that happen. I forgot to mention. I gave birth several times.
when you get general anaesthesia for many hours you will have terrible terrible constipation. Its like giving birth
Sorry to be crude but so much of this.
and the needles and IV’s in your veins for days on end. All that stuff. Just constant. Small torture tbh

 

[Forget it]

a completely different question, what are your plans for the rest of your life now after all that stuff?

Thanks for asking!
The idea of a normal easy life with no problems is appealing to me. I will try win back some of the socialising and stuff I missed out on. Just hanging out with friends and being normal. Plus unfortunately I’m too old now. Mid thirties. Being in a night club would be a bit cringe now for me. So I’ll try meet a decent woman. Marry. Settle down. Hope it goes well

 

[Forget it]

Of course dealing as a fraud then with any partner. Well aware of gynocentric dating market and issues and all that too. Will see. I’ve done all I can do will have to accept and move on now

 

[Deleted member 7098]

You can at least post pics of like scans or surgery quotes like I did in my thread. No one can trace those.

you say that, while you still asked mods to delete my skull implant thread, which served to praise you for actually telling the truth and going through with it, instead of putting blame on you

how's recovery?

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

Only thing I agree with is the slight risk of malar implants which is why I opted for OBO, infras, bellafill, and fat grafting to build up cheekbones. Important thing is to keep the projection high ad not go too low. However I have seen some good infra-malar results recently. Techniques improve over time. That's something that this guy has not acknowledged, kinda selfish imo.

 

[Forget it]

Also some other issues worse than bad aesthetic result.

non healing. My mouth incisions from implants do not heal and take a very very long time. Open wound is infection risk entire time. Right now as I type I have not eaten in over 4 weeks. Liquid diet. As bimax people would also know about. Stuck in hotel for weeks. Whatever. This is what to expect.

non healing, non union, infection etc all very common in LL. ive seen some patients while I was there that had the issue. They did all correctly. Surgeon did well. Still happened.
Other soft tissue issue. Tendons. My Achilles could not handle tibia lengthening. Eventual ballerina foot. So there’s only so far things can stretch before the surrounding supporting structures are caught and give/restrict

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

you say that, while you still asked mods to delete my skull implant thread, which served to praise you for actually telling the truth and going through with it, instead of putting blame on you

how's recovery?

Wasn't me, wouldn't have asked the mods to do that, though I guess it's cool they're being extra protective. Swelling is intense, delts by far the worst aspect recovery wise. Have these drains inserted that will be removed soon.

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

Also some other issues worse than bad aesthetic result.

non healing. My mouth incisions from implants do not heal and take a very very long time. Open wound is infection risk entire time. Right now as I type I have not eaten in over 4 weeks. Liquid diet. As bimax people would also know about. Stuck in hotel for weeks. Whatever. This is what to expect.

non healing, non union, infection etc all very common in LL. ive seen some patients while I was there that had the issue. They did all correctly. Surgeon did well. Still happened.
Other soft tissue issue. Tendons. My Achilles could not handle tibia lengthening. Eventual ballerina foot. So there’s only so far things can stretch before the surrounding supporting structures are caught and give/restrict

ballerina foot improves over time. I had 7.5 cm on tibias and my heels are almost on ground due to stretching.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

Thanks for asking!
The idea of a normal easy life with no problems is appealing to me. I will try win back some of the socialising and stuff I missed out on. Just hanging out with friends and being normal. Plus unfortunately I’m too old now. Mid thirties. Being in a night club would be a bit cringe now for me. So I’ll try meet a decent woman. Marry. Settle down. Hope it goes well

Insane man
The best way to live this life is to do drugs have fun and die before 27
@subhuman incel @Thompsonz

 

[Deleted member 5786]

OP is a normie so he doesnt understand truecels and incels. if he would be a subhuman he would never type like this cause when you are a subhuman you have nothing to lose. he had something to lose since he was a normie from starting point. so i get that. he just wanted to be chad and get girls from looks alone, he didnt want to deal with that nt and socialising bullshit. he just wanted to mog cause i think he was a bit (maybe still is) insecure.

Just show him your profile and if bimax will improve you

 

[doomguy333]

Very legit I just had 1 rhino and it was bad result ,now I'm bleeding daily from the nose. I just wanna quit this life.

 

[eduardkoopman]

there are a few limited cases of someone becoming highly very attractive from some procedures or few procedures, that is, what we can see was done.
tom cruise someone saying. I imagine he does huge amounts of cosmetic work. The jaw and teeth/smile was a nice improvement for him.

Or the nose fix of Gossling.

As far a surgery maxxing goes.
Only Kim Kardashian, is one known to have had a shitton of stuff done. And she did get better looking with it, well.

after many years and shitton of surgeries.

She managed to stay equal or get better looking after 15+ years. While most of us, get raped by the agepill

 

[Deleted member 5786]

Hi bro, i see the rationale behind it. It seems to be the case you are making is managing expectations.

You have to understand that not everyone is expecting to become chad nor is it possible, but to go from deformed/ugly to normie is a life changing experience.

Even when everything is done right Higher tier normie can be done.

What do you propose these deformed people do instead with their time? Slay? Approach girls. By virtue of being ugly/deformed the only thing they can do is rot and be societies spit buckets. They are systemically ostracised from "living life" and are hyper aware of this.

I dont think people should invest over a decade into this but a total span of 3 years is fair, a year or so researching and 2 years implementing the plan to completion.

Yes there is a risk things can go wrong but its an investment with risk margins. It's why this forum exists to mitigate these risks.

Basically this.

 

[Forget it]

Ha

Insane man
The best way to live this life is to do drugs have fun and die before 27
@subhuman incel @Thompsonz

ha not sure about 27! But definitely get out as much as possible. Live up the 20s. Get it out of system. If can’t meet ONS some escorts maybe too. If can’t be done by the 20s (an entire DECADE!!) then there’s no other time for it. A time and place. Enjoy anyway

 

[user47283]

Hello
I’m long time lurker of psl. Years. I have seen the thread by @CosmicMaxxer and that lead me to making my own experience with surgeries.

I have done so many surgeries also. Maybe 12 or more years. LL twice including multiple corrections and surgeries Achilles etc (6cm total), custom full facial implant surgery twice, rhino twice, otoplasty twice, voice surgery (fat injection- nothing happened), genio, first chin implant, ht twice scalp and eyebrow.

Notice most of these had to be done twice. Some will need third. That’s the first thing. There’s nearly always a fuck up. Or a revision needed. Surgeries don’t really work like you think. There’s always some issue.

Second, surgeons are full of shit. They’ll promise all and go along with it al and will fall short. Then no more help once done.

Third, Big one. There’s is no such thing as an ascension to Chad or slayer through surgery. Show me one. There’s none. Pipe dream. Sorry. You’ll get minor improvements at best with any surgery even radical. And I argue the trade off is not worth the effort at all.

So, a lot of young people here just posting for fun which is great. But anyone here like I was years ago thinking this will change your life and be some kind of sex god. FORGET IT! (Username ) won’t happen.

The wasted time all those years. Saving for surgeries makes you a hermit loser. Bad results and hiding after makes you a hermit loser. I am tragically too old now even if all went very well. Not worth it. I missed out.

And the trauma of all the surgeries. Probably 10-12+ Very long duration general anaesthesia. Body wrecked. Family worried all those years. Money. Brutal recoveries. Pain. Actual suffering. It’s rough. It has damaged me mentally no doubt.

the final result. I am not that much better looking or higher smv than the start. Also older now. Not worth it.
Obviously I won’t be sharing details and pics. But I have done all. Don’t want to be a meme on top of being a waste.

Anyway why share. Other account other day I am interested to hear what he thinks too. But it is not me trying to save the world. The reason I am sharing this is tragically. When you do these surgeries. When you research like crazy and know all kinds of terms and ideals etc. It doesn’t matter. When you have a problem. Outcome gone wrong etc. (Which IT WILL) then everyone will see you as the crazy deranged obsessed dysmorphic vain perfectionist idiot. And it will be seen as YOUR fault. Even when you do all right as a patient. Disaster. The shame of it all. The Shame of recovery is brutal, shame of looking “operated on” is brutal but nothing compares to when it goes wrong and all the objective reasoning in the world can’t communicate to people other than “you crazy vain fool”

so at least here people get it. Understand the attempts to ascend and goals etc.

but my warning as someone who has been through most of it. Forget it. It’s not “over” Blackpill ldar. But the surgeries are not worth it at all. Will ruin your life.
soft maxxes, being nt and social and accepting your looks match and rejections are better. Make small changes.
The reality is, even if you became Chad (which there is not one case of happening btw) even then, you’re still a fraud. Have to deal with that personally and with any future partner. And your genes will still be there for your kids.
Can’t fool nature.

hope you enjoyed the read and all. That’s my advice. Good luck to all trolls etc I won’t interact.

can relate, I had to have 3 surgeries for one genio due to complications

 

[Forget it]

Very legit I just had 1 rhino and it was bad result ,now I'm bleeding daily from the nose. I just wanna quit this life.

I feel ya. My last full facial surgery I had rhino with it. And that tube packed up your nose after so you can’t breathe. And jaw I could eat or swallow. Was a brutal week I’ll never forget.
I hope you’re over the worst of it and things work out. Up to 6 moths to see final result for rhino. Well done anyway

 

[user47283]

h

Hello
I’m long time lurker of psl. Years. I have seen the thread by @CosmicMaxxer and that lead me to making my own experience with surgeries.

I have done so many surgeries also. Maybe 12 or more years. LL twice including multiple corrections and surgeries Achilles etc (6cm total), custom full facial implant surgery twice, rhino twice, otoplasty twice, voice surgery (fat injection- nothing happened), genio, first chin implant, ht twice scalp and eyebrow.

Notice most of these had to be done twice. Some will need third. That’s the first thing. There’s nearly always a fuck up. Or a revision needed. Surgeries don’t really work like you think. There’s always some issue.

Second, surgeons are full of shit. They’ll promise all and go along with it al and will fall short. Then no more help once done.

Third, Big one. There’s is no such thing as an ascension to Chad or slayer through surgery. Show me one. There’s none. Pipe dream. Sorry. You’ll get minor improvements at best with any surgery even radical. And I argue the trade off is not worth the effort at all.

So, a lot of young people here just posting for fun which is great. But anyone here like I was years ago thinking this will change your life and be some kind of sex god. FORGET IT! (Username ) won’t happen.

The wasted time all those years. Saving for surgeries makes you a hermit loser. Bad results and hiding after makes you a hermit loser. I am tragically too old now even if all went very well. Not worth it. I missed out.

And the trauma of all the surgeries. Probably 10-12+ Very long duration general anaesthesia. Body wrecked. Family worried all those years. Money. Brutal recoveries. Pain. Actual suffering. It’s rough. It has damaged me mentally no doubt.

the final result. I am not that much better looking or higher smv than the start. Also older now. Not worth it.
Obviously I won’t be sharing details and pics. But I have done all. Don’t want to be a meme on top of being a waste.

Anyway why share. Other account other day I am interested to hear what he thinks too. But it is not me trying to save the world. The reason I am sharing this is tragically. When you do these surgeries. When you research like crazy and know all kinds of terms and ideals etc. It doesn’t matter. When you have a problem. Outcome gone wrong etc. (Which IT WILL) then everyone will see you as the crazy deranged obsessed dysmorphic vain perfectionist idiot. And it will be seen as YOUR fault. Even when you do all right as a patient. Disaster. The shame of it all. The Shame of recovery is brutal, shame of looking “operated on” is brutal but nothing compares to when it goes wrong and all the objective reasoning in the world can’t communicate to people other than “you crazy vain fool”

so at least here people get it. Understand the attempts to ascend and goals etc.

but my warning as someone who has been through most of it. Forget it. It’s not “over” Blackpill ldar. But the surgeries are not worth it at all. Will ruin your life.
soft maxxes, being nt and social and accepting your looks match and rejections are better. Make small changes.
The reality is, even if you became Chad (which there is not one case of happening btw) even then, you’re still a fraud. Have to deal with that personally and with any future partner. And your genes will still be there for your kids.
Can’t fool nature.

hope you enjoyed the read and all. That’s my advice. Good luck to all trolls etc I won’t interact.

have you done bimax

 

[doomguy333]

I feel ya. My last full facial surgery I had rhino with it. And that tube packed up your nose after so you can’t breathe. And jaw I could eat or swallow. Was a brutal week I’ll never forget.
I hope you’re over the worst of it and things work out. Up to 6 moths to see final result for rhino. Well done anyway

It was 6 years ago but it was botched and left my with a hole at spectrum.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

Or the nose fix of Gossling.

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As far a surgery maxxing goes.
Only Kim Kardashian, is one known to have had a shitton of stuff done. And she did get better looking with it, well.

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after many years and shitton of surgeries.
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She managed to stay equal or get better looking after 15+ years. While most of us, get raped by the agepill

Also anjelina jolie, iam Somerhalder (jaw implants), tom cruise

Mikkie rourk got botched though

 

[Deleted member 14978]

What was your starting base like? Ratios? Unfixable falios?

 

[Forget it]

Or the nose fix of Gossling.

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As far a surgery maxxing goes.
Only Kim Kardashian, is one known to have had a shitton of stuff done. And she did get better looking with it, well.

after many years and shitton of surgeries.

I always thought gosling (and Bradley Cooper and several other make “hot” celebs are weird looking. Very asymmetrical and odd. But biggish class white I suppose. Waspy.

Kim K is a very interesting example. The thing with women is, they CAN look as “operated on” as possible. And that’s fine. It adds to the bimbo sex doll appeal. Kim k extremely interesting. Basically started so many worldwide trends now. Either her or her handlers. From lip filler look to contouring to the shift to BIG ass which was unheard of before her. Small ass and tits were the thing. Anyway. Selfies are down to her. So many things. Amazing. The younger one Julie had an extremely good change and is probably one of the best looksmaxing examples I can think of.