Surgery Advice Appreciated

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

So in 17 and want to know which surgeries I should consider undergoing in the future when I’m around the ages of 21-22. I want to know in advance so that I can research surgeries that I will seriously consider.

I know my eye area is by far the weakest, and I’m hoping it won’t stop me from reaching HTN eve through surgery since I know softmaxxing won’t get me anywhere near HTN.

At the moment I’m thinking supraorbital implants or fat grafting, infraorbital implants or fat grafting, and lip lift.

Thanks for reading and your advice would be appreciated.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Your face is too close to the camera retake the pics further away

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Your face is too close to the camera retake the pics further away

What do you mean? In the guide it said put camera next to face at eye level - that’s what I’m doing.

 

[Kinduser]

So in 17 and want to know which surgeries I should consider undergoing in the future when I’m around the ages of 21-22. I want to know in advance so that I can research surgeries that I will seriously consider.

I know my eye area is by far the weakest, and I’m hoping it won’t stop me from reaching HTN eve through surgery since I know softmaxxing won’t get me anywhere near HTN.

At the moment I’m thinking supraorbital implants or fat grafting, infraorbital implants or fat grafting, and lip lift.


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Thanks for reading and your advice would be appreciated.

You look good, don't worry

 

[Kinduser]

So in 17 and want to know which surgeries I should consider undergoing in the future when I’m around the ages of 21-22. I want to know in advance so that I can research surgeries that I will seriously consider.

I know my eye area is by far the weakest, and I’m hoping it won’t stop me from reaching HTN eve through surgery since I know softmaxxing won’t get me anywhere near HTN.

At the moment I’m thinking supraorbital implants or fat grafting, infraorbital implants or fat grafting, and lip lift.


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Thanks for reading and your advice would be appreciated.

Maybe use concealer for under eyes

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

You look good, don't worry

I appreciate you saying this but it's simply not enough, and I'm not willing to put on concealer most days to hide my recessed infras, I need a permanent fix.

Thanks anyway though.

 

[Tealovingfool]

No clue but mirin the forward growth

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

No clue but mirin the forward growth

Appreciate it man, the front profile is what needs work for sure, that’s what I’m going to try fix through surgery. Appreciate it though boss.

 

[kaydd]

Take em 5-7 feet away. And crop em before posting. Include both sides

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Take em 5-7 feet away. And crop em before posting. Include both sides

I'm confused, I am standing like 1.5-2 meters away from the mirror. Do you want me to stand closer or further back?

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Okay sorry for confusion - here are better pics with all photos flipped horizontally for inverted camera effect.

 

[vermicel]

So in 17 and want to know which surgeries I should consider undergoing in the future when I’m around the ages of 21-22. I want to know in advance so that I can research surgeries that I will seriously consider.

Lip lift to address your long philtrum.

Your mouth is a bit narrow, but there's nothing you can do about that, except harmonizing it with a narrower nose ; however, your nose is nice, with a good shape, so I wouldn't mess with it and move on (mouth to nose width ratio : ~1,35, outside the 1,4-1,6 ideal range).

Your hairline is high, and your forehead is broad. Make sure your hair doesn't recede further back (with the help of hair loss medication, if necessary), and stick to a hair style similar to your current one.

You could fine-tune your chin and jawline definition with fillers. On top of being very much optional, you'll have to reassess your angularity in a few years from now, when you're done maturing and have lost any potential baby fat.

As mentioned by yourself already, your eyes would most likely need some work. The lateral part of the upper lid seems to be drooping too much. And your tear through seems quite deep already. You should consult with a couple of oculoplastic surgeons to gather their opinion and recommendations. @Nahorscend may be able to chime in as he's been geeking out oculoplastics.

Your "side profile" pictures are more 3/4 profile and don't allow to assess properly your upper and lower jaw.

Note that a lip lift can reduce philtrum length without augmenting the upper lip, but I can't mimic this on a 2D morph without altering the placement of your nose or mouth, hence the upper lip augmentation (which can be achieved with a lip lift too, depending on the surgical plan).

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Lip lift to address your long philtrum.

Your mouth is a bit narrow, but there's nothing you can do about that, except harmonizing it with a narrower nose ; however, your nose is nice, with a good shape, so I wouldn't mess with it and move on (mouth to nose width ratio : ~1,35, outside the 1,4-1,6 ideal range).

Your hairline is high, and your forehead is broad. Make sure your hair doesn't recede further back (with the help of hair loss medication, if necessary), and stick to a hair style similar to your current one.

You could fine-tune your chin and jawline definition with fillers. On top of being very much optional, you'll have to reassess your angularity in a few years from now, when you're done maturing and have lost any potential baby fat.

As mentioned by yourself already, your eyes would most likely need some work. The lateral part of the upper lid seems to be drooping too much. And your tear through seems quite deep already. You should consult with a couple of oculoplastic surgeons to gather their opinion and recommendations. @Nahorscend may be able to chime in as he's been geeking out oculoplastics.

Your "side profile" pictures are more 3/4 profile and don't allow to assess properly your upper and lower jaw.

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Note that a lip lift can reduce philtrum length without augmenting the upper lip, but I can't mimic this on a 2D morph without altering the placement of your nose or mouth, hence the upper lip augmentation (which can be achieved with a lip lift too, depending on the surgical plan).

Damn mirin your effort man, thanks for all your advice, really appreciate it. Do you want me to send better photos, if so which ones (which profile ect). I’ll look deeper into all this and bookmark your post in this thread. Yeah it’d be great to get more insight from other users, I’ll upload more pics to this thread too.

 

[vermicel]

Do you want me to send better photos, if so which ones (which profile ect).

Frankfort horizontal plane for a realiable side profile pic.

Don't jut, don't tense your jaw/neck muscles, don't tilt your head, otherwise it will skew the result.

Tag @yussimania for his opinion when you eventually post proper pictures.

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Frankfort horizontal plane for a realiable side profile pic.

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Don't jut, don't tense your jaw/neck muscles, don't tilt your head, otherwise it will skew the result.

Tag @yussimania for his opinion when you eventually post proper pictures.

Yeah there was no jutting or tensing or nothing in that pic - I know how retarded it is to fraud when asking for surgical advice so no need to worry about that. Also, should I turn my entire body to face to the side when taking my side profile pics, and do I have to invert them too after I've taken the pic? I did that in the previous pics. Lastly, when I take the side profile pic if i am turning my entire body to whichever side I am facing, where should I hold the camera when taking the photo?

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

New side profile shots here:

Front profile shots are toward start of thread.

Tagging users if they want to provide any insight or advice - understandable if can't be fucked.
@yussimania
@bossman
@lurking truecel
@LEFORT17
@LackEmpathyTherefor

Appreciate it. Cheers.
@vermicel

 

[lurking truecel]

So in 17 and want to know which surgeries I should consider undergoing in the future when I’m around the ages of 21-22. I want to know in advance so that I can research surgeries that I will seriously consider.

I know my eye area is by far the weakest, and I’m hoping it won’t stop me from reaching HTN eve through surgery since I know softmaxxing won’t get me anywhere near HTN.

At the moment I’m thinking supraorbital implants or fat grafting, infraorbital implants or fat grafting, and lip lift.


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Thanks for reading and your advice would be appreciated.

Those lips holy macaroni

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

You look like rapper Ian
Realistically your side is good maybe a genio would better it but atp who cares.

I agree with @vermicel only thing you can change is your very bad philtrum, semi bulbous nose, and under eye.
Preferably you’d need OBO I believe cuz your eyes are close set

On the mean time use some product for your under eye dark

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Those lips holy macaroni

JLF, good? Bad? Wym.

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

You look like rapper Ian
Realistically your side is good maybe a genio would better it but atp who cares.

I agree with @vermicel only thing you can change is your very bad philtrum, semi bulbous nose, and under eye.
Preferably you’d need OBO I believe cuz your eyes are close set

On the mean time use some product for your under eye dark

Thanks for advice. Yeah, no way I’m getting OBO. Nobody in their right mind would ever get that surgery. Super unrealistic.

I’ve heard some surgeries can help correct narrow IPD to an extent like zygo implants and some others, idk.

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Bump

 

[Sephiroth312]

For softmaxxing, fix your posture by doing chin tucks and training your neck. For hardmaxxing, maybe fillers for under eyes and lateral canthoplasty to achieve positive canthal tilt. Solid HTN if you do all these.

 

[Deleted member 345538]

What you don’t like about yourself? Like which area you wanna focus on, for example I can say subraorbital rim implants for better browridge prominence+it will lower your eyebrows. But the real question do you really need it? If it’s about just ascension I think it will ascend, but you need to understand there are things that gives you +1% to attractiveness and those things presumably won’t affect your life dramatically

 

[Deleted member 345538]

What you don’t like about yourself? Like which area you wanna focus on, for example I can say subraorbital rim implants for better browridge prominence+it will lower your eyebrows. But the real question do you really need it? If it’s about just ascension I think it will ascend, but you need to understand there are things that gives you +1% to attractiveness and those things presumably won’t affect your life dramatically

Otherwise yes of course I agree with guys that added what you need, just added one more thing that could possibly be good. But I DONT think it’s high iq. Like what’s your bf, diet, etc. And you just 17, still will get bones growth

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

What you don’t like about yourself? Like which area you wanna focus on, for example I can say subraorbital rim implants for better browridge prominence+it will lower your eyebrows. But the real question do you really need it? If it’s about just ascension I think it will ascend, but you need to understand there are things that gives you +1% to attractiveness and those things presumably won’t affect your life dramatically

My biggest falios are to do with my harmony which I aim to address surgically.

An example is my chin to philtrum ratio being off due to my long philtrum, therefore I need a lip lift to fix that. Not only that, but a rhino to address bulbous nose tip would also fix my harmony a lot. These little things make big changes.

I am mostly looking for you guys to give me some of the best ROIs to address my flaws and improve my facial aesthetics.

 

[Lookologist003]

Wow! Those are close set eyes. It makes your midface long as hell. Tough break. Your side is good. Your facial depth ratio is ideal.

Your biggest falio is your eye spacing. Make of that what you will. Interestingly your temples aren't deformed because of it. Usually the skull kind of looks like its eating itself when ESR is amiss.

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Wow! Those are close set eyes. It makes your midface long as hell. Tough break. Your side is good. Your facial depth ratio is ideal.

Your biggest falio is your eye spacing. Make of that what you will. Interestingly your temples aren't deformed because of it. Usually the skull kind of looks like its eating itself when ESR is amiss.

Yes, it’s my biggest flaw by far and it caps me at MTN. nonetheless, I’m still willing to fix my other flaws and improve my appearance no matter what. Thanks for the ‘analysis’ if you will; any advice on what I should do in the future? What should I consider?

 

[Lookologist003]

it caps me at MTN. nonetheless, I’m still willing to fix my other flaws and improve my appearance no matter what.

That is an attitude I don't understand. That's like if your car is missing its tires yet you want to go shopping for snow chains.

What should I consider?

Your face is good besides this massive flaw. I think you should consider nothing. But if you're adamant then take the advice of Vermicel who posted in this thread.

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

That is an attitude I don't understand. That's like if your car is missing its tires yet you want to go shopping for snow chains.


Your face is good besides this massive flaw. I think you should consider nothing. But if you're adamant then take the advice of Vermicel who posted in this thread.

But then again it does make sense. Though that flaw is massive, nonetheless those other surgeries (only like 3 of them, plus they aren’t massive ones either) will still improve this metric either way. I will be a more attractive man afterward.

Essentially you are just saying I should LDAR which is not gonna happen. My harmony will be better because of those few surgeries.

Besides, I’ve been considering OBO and saw someone on this forum that underwent it and results look good plus recovery does too and he hasn’t mentioned many side effects. You never know…

 

[Lookologist003]

Essentially you are just saying I should LDAR which is not gonna happen.

That's not at all what I'm saying. Although I guess seeing it today the analogy was crappy. You're not nearly ugly enough to consider the basement lifestyle.

I’ve been considering OBO and saw someone on this forum that underwent it and results look good plus recovery does too and he hasn’t mentioned many side effects. You never know…

Who is that? I would like to know because we know of Cosmic and Ape who did it. Cosmic didn't seem to benefit much from it, and Ape doesn't share his before-and-afters publicly.

 

[zemult]

ESR rapes your front unfortunately

 

[zemult]

But then again it does make sense. Though that flaw is massive, nonetheless those other surgeries (only like 3 of them, plus they aren’t massive ones either) will still improve this metric either way. I will be a more attractive man afterward.

Essentially you are just saying I should LDAR which is not gonna happen. My harmony will be better because of those few surgeries.

Besides, I’ve been considering OBO and saw someone on this forum that underwent it and results look good plus recovery does too and he hasn’t mentioned many side effects. You never know…

There is no available result of OBO that looks good. They are all shit (including the not publicly available results). You'll go from close ipd normie to botched alien.

Pick your poison basically

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

ESR rapes your front unfortunately

Yeah I know it fucks me so bad. I will never be able to reach HTN because of it.

I'll still proceed with other surgeries though. Definitely not OBO though LOL.

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

That's not at all what I'm saying. Although I guess seeing it today the analogy was crappy. You're not nearly ugly enough to consider the basement lifestyle.


Who is that? I would like to know because we know of Cosmic and Ape who did it. Cosmic didn't seem to benefit much from it, and Ape doesn't share his before-and-afters publicly.

Nah the thread I saw, the guy didn't post after results, only proof of the procedure and the surgeons. he combined it with infra and supra implants too. IDK man, I'll just have to live with it I guess.

Most people say my structure is good, forward growth is good ect, overall I'm good apart from this fuck ass flaw which is so shitty. Oh well, still gonna get those other surgeries to improve harmony and stuff a little.

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

ESR rapes your front unfortunately

Also, I don't think it's my ESR necessarily, it's IPD. There is a big difference.

 

[zemult]

Also, I don't think it's my ESR necessarily, it's IPD. There is a big difference.

nah your ESR is like 0.41 it's giga shit. it'd be a different story if it was within ideal range

but yeah it's due to your IPD

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

nah your ESR is like 0.41 it's giga shit. it'd be a different story if it was within ideal range

Doesn't ideal ESR mean one size of eye apart from the other?

 

[zemult]

Doesn't ideal ESR mean one size of eye apart from the other?

It's your ipd divided by your face width. Around 0.44 0.47 is ideal

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

It's your ipd divided by your face width. Around 0.44 0.47 is ideal

Yeah alright, makes sense. This shit makes my midface look longer than it is too.

 

[NarrowBoneMarrow]

Wow someone with my ipd on here, gg son

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Wow someone with my ipd on here, gg son

We carry our burden and don’t let that hold us back. Our metrics can always improve lol.

no excuse to LDAR

 

[Prøphet]

Cyclops reaper collecting its souls

 

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

Cyclops reaper collecting its souls

Did you really need to make this comment? Just fucked up my day a little, man. Cmon.