Test --> HGH --> Insulin is the ideal roiding pipeline

[jawalrus]

test is bioidentical
hgh is bioidentical
insulin is bioidentical

all these hormone are naturally produced by your body, ur simply giving yourself more of it
these and turinabol, anavar, primo are probably the highest ROI roidmaxxes you can do

of course hgh and slin are either expensive or hard to source cheaply

but if you can source it, go on test first, see how you react, then hgh, then insulin

insulin can be a bit tricky as you'll need to time food intake and shit to make the most use of it but otherwise very anabolic

 

[llane9]

all these hormone are naturally produced by your body, ur simply giving yourself more of it

this means literally nothing.

 

[jawalrus]

this means literally nothing.

it means there's decades of scientific data outlining how it affects your body at supraphysiological levels

 

[lmx_Panda_asnmv]

this means literally nothing.

It means it isnt hepatoxic, isnt gonna cause neurodegeneration, and wont make you an anxious raving lunatic.

Cough cough, Tren, Anavar, Windtrol, SARMs, etc, etc, etc.

Honestly, the guy has a point, these are best for normies who want results.

Although, why the fuck would you start with test, realise, you are PROBABLY going to have downregulated HPTA function for the rest of your life, IE, depressed and sad after you hop off, unless you choose to run TRT for life, and thats a guaranteed ticket to dying at 50, 60 max. TRT is not as healthy as you think it is, codes gene transcription to favour less genetic and DNA repair and focus more on reproductive aspect of energy expenditure. You cant live long and be on steroid at the same time, unfortunate truth.

I will always hard pass on test, as people literally tell me its an addiction, it never stops at just one cycle, feels too good.

Anyone wanna continue this convo, high iq's of .org, come to my rescue

 

[CertifiedGoy]

Although, why the fuck would you start with test, realise, you are PROBABLY going to have downregulated HPTA function for the rest of your life,

Ever heard of hcg and pct nigger

 

[Somatropin]

Ever heard of hcg and pct nigger

pointless, you will lose all your gains after you come off cycle

 

[jawalrus]

pointless, you will lose all your gains after you come off cycle

at some point tho there's no point having all that excess muscle, imagine gymcelling in ur 50s lmao

 

[Somatropin]

at some point tho there's no point having all that excess muscle, imagine gymcelling in ur 50s lmao

either way you'll have to be on trt for a reasonable amount of time

also do you think just hgh+ insulin is worth it?

 

[jawalrus]

either way you'll have to be on trt for a reasonable amount of time

also do you think just hgh+ insulin is worth it?

insulin is insanely anabolic due to its nutrient shuttling properties but if you're utilizing these drugs for anabolism i highly suggest just using test, the usage of test is incredibly fear mongered and deaths are usually due to low iq, carelessness and genetics not due to the drugs themselves

the main deciding factors would be how much money you have and how long you're willing to wait for gains

insulin and hgh are obviously much harder and more expensive to source than test and without test you're gonna make gains much slower than on it, but if you have the means there's no problem

 

[secondcomingofORB]

pointless, you will lose all your gains after you come off cycle

Not true,I agree with everything else about test never being just one cycle and I don’t give a fuck about living past 60 but pinning until I’m 60 yeah fuck that,back to the point me and multiple of my friends blasted,gained 20-30 kg of muscle in around a year and a half the hopped off ran a PCT and all of us kept 80% of the gains we made i and one other with good genetics didn’t lose any muscle

 

[jawalrus]

Not true,I agree with everything else about test never being just one cycle and I don’t give a fuck about living past 60 but pinning until I’m 60 yeah fuck that,back to the point me and multiple of my friends blasted,gained 20-30 kg of muscle in around a year and a half the hopped off ran a PCT and all of us kept 80% of the gains we made i and one other with good genetics didn’t lose any muscle

from what i've seen you can keep the muscle as long as it's within ur natural limits

obviously anything above what u could've gained at ur natty limit is off the table but if u just blast and cruise for a year or so and hit ur theoretical limit you'll keep a good portion of it

 

[secondcomingofORB]

from what i've seen you can keep the muscle as long as it's within ur natural limits

obviously anything above what u could've gained at ur natty limit is off the table but if u just blast and cruise for a year or so and hit ur theoretical limit you'll keep a good portion of it

Yeah exactly what I’m getting at basically just don’t have dogshit genetics but also something no one ever talks about is when you come off after blasting and cruising for so long nothing is ever the same in terms of blood flow and this doesn’t only correlate to an all day shoulder pump I mean your dick will never be as hard as it was on that test cycle so life long cialis is definitely an option rather than lifelong trt jfl

 

[jawalrus]

Yeah exactly what I’m getting at basically just don’t have dogshit genetics but also something no one ever talks about is when you come off after blasting and cruising for so long nothing is ever the same in terms of blood flow and this doesn’t only correlate to an all day shoulder pump I mean your dick will never be as hard as it was on that test cycle so life long cialis is definitely an option rather than lifelong trt jfl

smth important to remember is that roiding literally INCREASES your natty potential in a way

by roiding you increase the number of muscle cell nuclei in your body, so even after you stop roiding you benefit from roids

genuinely my plan is just to roid a few years, use hcg to knock a bitch up, then go to a dose of like 100mg test and slowly go down as i age

max i could lose is like 1-2 years of life, probably not even that because my family has never had a history of health complications

 

[chudpiller]

It means it isnt hepatoxic, isnt gonna cause neurodegeneration, and wont make you an anxious raving lunatic.

Cough cough, Tren, Anavar, Windtrol, SARMs, etc, etc, etc.

Honestly, the guy has a point, these are best for normies who want results.

Although, why the fuck would you start with test, realise, you are PROBABLY going to have downregulated HPTA function for the rest of your life, IE, depressed and sad after you hop off, unless you choose to run TRT for life, and thats a guaranteed ticket to dying at 50, 60 max. TRT is not as healthy as you think it is, codes gene transcription to favour less genetic and DNA repair and focus more on reproductive aspect of energy expenditure. You cant live long and be on steroid at the same time, unfortunate truth.

I will always hard pass on test, as people literally tell me its an addiction, it never stops at just one cycle, feels too good.

Anyone wanna continue this convo, high iq's of .org, come to my rescue

This is such a good take. I’m tired of hearing kids saying “ohh i don’t care if i live past 50 bruh i just want to roiddd”. No shit you don’t care, you’re having the time of your life. Unfortunately, you will care when ur 45 with a wife and kids and have a blood pressure of 150/90. No way are you gonna be cool with not seeing your kids grow up because you got big in your 20s.

 

[jawalrus]

This is such a good take. I’m tired of hearing kids saying “ohh i don’t care if i live past 50 bruh i just want to roiddd”. No shit you don’t care, you’re having the time of your life. Unfortunately, you will care when ur 45 with a wife and kids and have a blood pressure of 150/90. No way are you gonna be cool with not seeing your kids grow up because you got big in your 20s.

lowest efficacious dosing is the way to go, people on this forum can be a bit shortsighted at times, you never know what the future holds

 

[mtbsmasher]

this is true ive ran very high doses of test before, ive used tren, anadrol all those are nothing compared to even using low dose test with hgh and slin, my skin and hair looked the best, my physique looked the best (only downside was some bloat but i mitigated it with diuretics). the biggest downside of this however is although you may not go bald or have shit skin quality from other roids, youll definitely experience organ growth and maybe slight agromegaly the longer you do it even at lower dosages. best thing to do is stick to test + gh mainly and occassionly add in slin