The Importance of PFL

[Golden Glass]

Lmao’d at how ruthless @Alarico8 was in this thread.

im an iranian jfl

@PrettyBoyMaxxing mine is 39mm im not even fucking playing

36-39 mm is definitely believable based on the pics of you I’ve seen. Ironically you have such a good base for looksmaxing that if you went all out you’d look insane. You’re still short and balding though so at least try to get double jaw and a hair transplant.

I get 29.5-30mm. But i have myopia, does it affect it ?

If you’re myopic, it’s 100% best to physically measure your PFL (read my reply below as well)— don’t measure it by assuming your iris length is 11.77mm, and then making it a ratio of your iris, because it will likely be wrong. Myopic irises are larger. I have myopia and a 12.5-13mm iris, so my 30mm PFL actually looks smaller than it really is, and if I had just measured based off my photo and off assuming average iris size, the number would be pretty thrown off.

is it still accurate even if i’m smiling in the pic?

Not 100% sure because smiling and squinting slightly stretches the medial canthus (at least it does for me). Anyways it really is best to physically measure your PFL because it’s odd to just assume your iris is exactly 11.77mm, this assumption doesn’t really matter so much when it comes to bigger measurements like BZW, but with something very small like PFL, if your iris is even 0.5mm bigger or smaller, it will make a big difference in the number you get, as far as things like where your number falls along a bell curve.

Try to measure it physically, whether it be with a ruler or a digital caliper.

 

[Bechadish]

Lmao’d at how ruthless @Alarico8 was in this thread.


36-39 mm is definitely believable based on the pics of you I’ve seen. Ironically you have such a good base for looksmaxing that if you went all out you’d look insane. You’re still short and balding though so at least try to get double jaw and a hair transplant.



If you’re myopic, it’s 100% best to physically measure your PFL (read my reply below as well)— don’t measure it by assuming your iris length is 11.77mm, and then making it a ratio of your iris, because it will likely be wrong. Myopic irises are larger. I have myopia and a 12.5-13mm iris, so my 30mm PFL actually looks smaller than it really is, and if I had just measured based off my photo and off assuming average iris size, the number would be pretty thrown off.


Not 100% sure because smiling and squinting slightly stretches the medial canthus (at least it does for me). Anyways it really is best to physically measure your PFL because it’s odd to just assume your iris is exactly 11.77mm, this assumption doesn’t really matter so much when it comes to bigger measurements like BZW, but with something very small like PFL, if your iris is even 0.5mm bigger or smaller, it will make a big difference in the number you get, as far as things like where your number falls along a bell curve.

Try to measure it physically, whether it be with a ruler or a digital caliper.

What's your myopia degree just to relate ? Mine is not too strong.
When i measure my PFL with a ruler it's closer to 35mm and on pic it's between 30 and 31 at best if not lower.

 

[Golden Glass]

What's your myopia degree just to relate ? Mine is not too strong.
When i measure my PFL with a ruler it's closer to 35mm and on pic it's between 30 and 31 at best if not lower.

Jesus what’s your iris length? 35mm is great.

And idk man I forgot all my prescription numbers I just go, get my eyes checked, and get a new prescription every year (vision still hasn’t stabilized so I can’t get lasik yet).

 

[Short Ugly and Brown]

Lmao’d at how ruthless @Alarico8 was in this thread.


36-39 mm is definitely believable based on the pics of you I’ve seen. Ironically you have such a good base for looksmaxing that if you went all out you’d look insane. You’re still short and balding though so at least try to get double jaw and a hair transplant.



If you’re myopic, it’s 100% best to physically measure your PFL (read my reply below as well)— don’t measure it by assuming your iris length is 11.77mm, and then making it a ratio of your iris, because it will likely be wrong. Myopic irises are larger. I have myopia and a 12.5-13mm iris, so my 30mm PFL actually looks smaller than it really is, and if I had just measured based off my photo and off assuming average iris size, the number would be pretty thrown off.


Not 100% sure because smiling and squinting slightly stretches the medial canthus (at least it does for me). Anyways it really is best to physically measure your PFL because it’s odd to just assume your iris is exactly 11.77mm, this assumption doesn’t really matter so much when it comes to bigger measurements like BZW, but with something very small like PFL, if your iris is even 0.5mm bigger or smaller, it will make a big difference in the number you get, as far as things like where your number falls along a bell curve.

Try to measure it physically, whether it be with a ruler or a digital caliper.

how obvious is my balding and how short am i?

also eye area is cope when everything else about you is deformed

 

[Bechadish]

Jesus what’s your iris length? 35mm is great.

And idk man I forgot all my prescription numbers I just go, get my eyes checked, and get a new prescription every year (vision still hasn’t stabilized so I can’t get lasik yet).

it's very hard to measure without hurting my eyes - if you have any tip to measure it better you'r welcome - but something between 1,35 and 1,4 cm

 

[didntreadlol]

trash example, more than just pfl was changed

 

[Golden Glass]

it's very hard to measure without hurting my eyes - if you have any tip to measure it better you'r welcome - but something between 1,35 and 1,4 cm

Best way is with a lighted magnified mirror and a digital caliper—both can be found on amazon.
And 13.5-14mm is definitely believable if your PFL is 35mm yet you thought it was smaller.

how obvious is my balding and how short am i?

also eye area is cope when everything else about you is deformed

The short thing was a joke—you’re like 5’7-5’8 right? That’s enough tbh.

And your hair seems to suffer more from diffuse thinning, as I wrong?

 

[Short Ugly and Brown]

Best way is with a lighted magnified mirror and a digital caliper—both can be found on amazon.
And 13.5-14mm is definitely believable if your PFL is 35mm yet you thought it was smaller.


The short thing was a joke—you’re like 5’7-5’8 right? That’s enough tbh.

And your hair seems to suffer more from diffuse thinning, as I wrong?

im 5foot8 but in shoes im like 5foot9 cuz i always wear high tops

yes im diffuse thinning and it sucks because theres not enough hair to wear my hair up

if u look at my pics i have to almost lay my hair down bc lack of hair

from personal experience mainly my face but also my race hold me back more than height

 

[Golden Glass]

im 5foot8 but in shoes im like 5foot9 cuz i always wear high tops

yes im diffuse thinning and it sucks because theres not enough hair to wear my hair up

if u look at my pics i have to almost lay my hair down bc lack of hair

from personal experience mainly my face but also my race hold me back more than height

Race no. Not really, you can easily Zayn Malik max—you can even look better than him because of how much you PFL mog, you just need to build your face around the fact you have very long eyes, which is far better than having to work around small eyes.

 

[Bechadish]

Race no. Not really, you can easily Zayn Malik max—you can even look better than him because of how much you PFL mog, you just need to build your face around the fact you have very long eyes, which is far better than having to work around small eyes.

Tbh he could be a mogger if he does his bimax - since he has a very poor lower third, fwhr.. - and get off his autism.

 

[Short Ugly and Brown]

Race no. Not really, you can easily Zayn Malik max—you can even look better than him because of how much you PFL mog, you just need to build your face around the fact you have very long eyes, which is far better than having to work around small eyes.

so ud say my trueceldom is SOLELY off the fact that the rest of my face besides eye area is deformed?

 

[Golden Glass]

so ud say my trueceldom is SOLELY off the fact that the rest of my face besides eye area is deformed?

No you’re also mentally ill

 

[Short Ugly and Brown]

No you’re also mentally ill

what PSL would i be with an average lower third and average forward growth?

considering rn im basically truecel in both those areas since i have a jaw as narrow as my eyespacing, a ramus short as my teeth, and a 16.4cm mandible length

 

[her]

Measuring with a tape in the mirror is definitely not accurate. 37-40mm is 99th percentile and I doubt anyone here would have such high PFL. We have already accurately measured male models PFL and none of them had it higher than 33mm.

 

[Golden Glass]

what PSL would i be with an average lower third and average forward growth?

considering rn im basically truecel in both those areas since i have a jaw as narrow as my eyespacing, a ramus short as my teeth, and a 16.4cm mandible length

I could do a morph of you with realistic surgical changes and then give a PSL rating of that

 

[Short Ugly and Brown]

I could do a morph of you with realistic surgical changes and then give a PSL rating of that

what psl am i right now in your opinion?

 

[Golden Glass]

Measuring with a tape in the mirror is definitely not accurate. 37-40mm is 99th percentile and I doubt anyone here would have such high PFL. We have already accurately measured male models PFL and none of them had it higher than 33mm.

You haven’t actually ever measured a real male models PFL, only *estimated* it, by assuming each and every one has the exact same sized iris, which should itself be evident as to why it’s not as reliable—think about it, you’re using an average number and applying to men who are very likely not within the standard number of most measurements to begin with. Even a 0.5mm difference in iris length greatly changes your PFL if you’re estimating it based on a picture.

And as @Aesthetics_III showed, some races, like Iranians, have huge PFLs.

Furthermore, I’ve measured my own PFL, iris length, and IPD, all with both tape measures, and digital calipers, and by my optometrist (I told him I felt like my IPD was still growing even though I’m over 18, and he measured all of those things for me).

The tape measure and digital caliper numbers I got were near identical to the ones the optometrist got.

what psl am i right now?

I’d need a great quality pic to judge

 

[Short Ugly and Brown]

You haven’t actually ever measured a real male models PFL, only *estimated* it, by assuming each and every one has the exact same sized iris, which should itself be evident as to why it’s not as reliable—think about it, you’re using an average number and applying to men who are very likely not within the standard number of most measurements to begin with. Even a 0.5mm difference in iris length greatly changes your PFL if you’re estimating it based on a picture.

And as @Aesthetics_III showed, some races, like Iranians, have huge PFLs.

Furthermore, I’ve measured my own PFL, iris length, and IPD, all with both tape measures, and digital calipers, and by my optometrist (I told him I felt like my IPD was still growing even though I’m over 18, and he measured all of those things for me).

The tape measure and digital caliper numbers I got were near identical to the ones the optometrist got.



I’d need a great quality pic to judge

should i pm u 3 front pics 2 3/4 pics and 3 side pics?

 

[Golden Glass]

should i pm u 3 front pics 2 3/4 pics and 3 side pics?

Sure but they better be taken as directed in this thread:
https://looksmax.org/threads/gtfih-...res-for-rating-and-looksmaxxing-advice.90748/

 

[Uglyandfat]

Sure but they better be taken as directed in this thread:
https://looksmax.org/threads/gtfih-...res-for-rating-and-looksmaxxing-advice.90748/

Hey golden is 28MM PFL subhuman? ive sent you a picture but you said my eye area was the only thing that would make me above average, why exactly if my PFL is narrow?

 

[ArabIncel]

Hey golden is 28MM PFL subhuman? ive sent you a picture but you said my eye area was the only thing that would make me above average, why exactly if my PFL is narrow?

It isn’t. Average is 29 mm. Chico is 29 mm. Yours is okay. Mine is subhuman at 26.5 mm.

Have a good day

 

[Uglyandfat]

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It isn’t. Average is 29 mm. Chico is 29 mm. Yours is okay. Mine is subhuman at 26.5 mm.

Have a good day

still below average damn

 

[Deleted member 2227]

This is not PFL change in morph, this is CANTHAL TILT change.


@Aesthetics_III
@Alarico8
@PrettyBoyMaxxing
@Golden Glass

 

[Uglyandfat]

This is not PFL change in morph, this is CANTHAL TILT change.


@Aesthetics_III
@Alarico8
@PrettyBoyMaxxing
@Golden Glass

thats what i noticed tbh

 

[Deleted member 3962]

shit thread

 

[Golden Glass]

Hey golden is 28MM PFL subhuman? ive sent you a picture but you said my eye area was the only thing that would make me above average, why exactly if my PFL is narrow?

Not subhuman per se. Your eye area is good, because you have good eyebrows, good eye color, and even though you say you have a lower than average PFL, as far as facial width proportions go, your PFL takes up more space relative to your facial width than mine for example, and my PFL is about 31mm (this is likely because I have very wide zygos, so a higher PFL would benefit me a lot, while for you, it would benefit you, but not as much).

Your eye area can look very good if you get almond eye surgery like Taban advertises, and get something to really grow dark, thick and long lashes.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Not subhuman per se. Your eye area is good, because you have good eyebrows, good eye color, and even though you say you have a lower than average PFL, as far as facial width proportions go, your PFL takes up more space relative to your facial width than mine for example, and my PFL is about 31mm (this is likely because I have very wide zygos, so a higher PFL would benefit me a lot, while for you, it would benefit you, but not as much).

Your eye area can look very good if you get almond eye surgery like Taban advertises, and get something to really grow dark, thick and long lashes.

im gonna cry

 

[forwardgrowth]

Not subhuman per se. Your eye area is good, because you have good eyebrows, good eye color, and even though you say you have a lower than average PFL, as far as facial width proportions go, your PFL takes up more space relative to your facial width than mine for example, and my PFL is about 31mm (this is likely because I have very wide zygos, so a higher PFL would benefit me a lot, while for you, it would benefit you, but not as much).

Your eye area can look very good if you get almond eye surgery like Taban advertises, and get something to really grow dark, thick and long lashes.

Eyelash transplant son?

 

[Golden Glass]

im gonna cry

Why

Eyelash transplant son?

Yes eyelash transplant would be one of the best ways to help a small PFL look bigger.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Hey golden is 28MM PFL subhuman? ive sent you a picture but you said my eye area was the only thing that would make me above average, why exactly if my PFL is narrow?

u know the guy in ur avi has a PFL lower than that right

 

[Uglyandfat]

Not subhuman per se. Your eye area is good, because you have good eyebrows, good eye color, and even though you say you have a lower than average PFL, as far as facial width proportions go, your PFL takes up more space relative to your facial width than mine for example, and my PFL is about 31mm (this is likely because I have very wide zygos, so a higher PFL would benefit me a lot, while for you, it would benefit you, but not as much).

Your eye area can look very good if you get almond eye surgery like Taban advertises, and get something to really grow dark, thick and long lashes.

alright thank you very much for the info golden. can i send you a slightly frauded photo of my eye area (better shape and less uue)

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Why

Yes eyelash transplant would be one of the best ways to help a small PFL look bigger.

i was 5mm on pfl and a positive vector away from having de poots eye area

 

[Golden Glass]

i was 5mm on pfl and a positive vector away from having de poots eye area

Send pic of your actual eye area

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Send pic of your actual eye area

i have many times indeade

 

[Golden Glass]

i have many times indeade

Post it here then

 

[Deleted member 2227]

shit thread

 

[Uglyandfat]

Post it here then

Sorry to bother but I dm'd you once more

 

[Golden Glass]

Sorry to bother but I dm'd you once more

Replied

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Post it here then

only pic on my computer that i could find
im squinching here tho

 

[Golden Glass]

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only pic on my computer that i could find
im squinching here tho

Nah it needs to at least include the lateral borders of your face if I wanted to try anything

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Nah it needs to at least include the lateral borders of your face if I wanted to try anything

i have this one but its a morph of darker brows and cleaner skin

if this dn work i can send a new pic once i get my phone back later

 

[Golden Glass]

i have this one but its a morph of darker brows and cleaner skin
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if this dn work i can send a new pic once i get my phone back later

Well what I would do if I was you, and didn’t want that lateral orbital rim osteotomy, is get eyelash transplants, especially along the lateral linings of your eyes. If you let them grow long enough, and dye them dark, they will definitely make your PFL look at least 2-3mm longer laterally.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Well what I would do if I was you, and didn’t want that lateral orbital rim osteotomy, is get eyelash transplants, especially along the lateral linings of your eyes. If you let them grow long enough, and dye them dark, they will definitely make your PFL look at least 2-3mm longer laterally.

I dont think a lateral orbital rim osteotomy would increase my PFL because the eyeball itself is too small

Eyelashmaxxing is in my plans for sure. My lashes are long but they are invisible because blonde. I also intend to dye eyebrows darker.

 

[Deleted member 3479]

IDEAL is 30?! I read studies saying the AVERAGE was 31 mm LOL

 

[Golden Glass]

I dont think a lateral orbital rim osteotomy would increase my PFL because the eyeball itself is too small

Eyelashmaxxing is in my plans for sure. My lashes are long but they are invisible because blonde. I also intend to dye eyebrows darker.

It might if you did something like orbital volume expansion as well—have you read the JSF thread on this?

IDEAL is 30?! I read studies saying the AVERAGE was 31 mm LOL

Ideal is definitely not 30 imo. Anything 31mm and above is good, and the wider your BZW, the more a longer PFL will be needed.

I guess what could be attempted to establish is an ideal PFL/BZW ratio.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

It might if you did something like orbital volume expansion as well—have you read the JSF thread on this?



Ideal is definitely not 30 imo. Anything 31mm and above is good, and the wider your BZW, the more a longer PFL will be needed.

I guess what could be attempted to establish is an ideal PFL/BZW ratio.

No I aint. Seems like it would be brutal tho lol.

 

[Linoob]

High PFL gang here.

I'd never trade for low PFL.

 

[DianabolDownie]

utter subhuman pfl gang here

 

[BoneIsLaw]

PFL IS HIGHLY CORRELATED WITH SUPREME ORBITALS, YES?

 

[Deleted member 2846]

PFL IS HIGHLY CORRELATED WITH SUPREME ORBITALS, YES?

no