The Importance of PFL

[BoneIsLaw]

no

then what is it fucking correlated with for fuck's sake?

 

[Deleted member 2846]

then what is it fucking correlated with for fuck's sake?

idk

 

[BoneIsLaw]

idk

then why did u reply implying u know about it faggot omg

 

[didntreadlol]

This is not PFL change in morph, this is CANTHAL TILT change.


@Aesthetics_III
@Alarico8
@PrettyBoyMaxxing
@Golden Glass

also the upper eyelid looks less round

 

[Andros]

Even if I have decent PFL and PCT, I'm failoed hard by UEE, scleral show, close-set eyes, bad undereye support, brown eye.

It's over

 

[Deleted member 2846]

then why did u reply implying u know about it faggot omg

chill out greycel. you’re too estrogenic

 

[Linoob]

PFL IS HIGHLY CORRELATED WITH SUPREME ORBITALS, YES?

Dunno bro, I have a high PFL but also negative canthal tilt + weak orbitals

Strong-ish brow ridge / hooded eyes tho

Weird combo

 

[Deleted member 4209]

tfw round, narrow bug eyes

 

[BoneIsLaw]

Dunno bro, I have a high PFL but also negative canthal tilt + weak orbitals

Strong-ish brow ridge / hooded eyes tho

Weird combo

it's fucking over

nobody knows anything about our eye bones and it's 2020.

 

[needsolution]

It isn’t. Average is 29 mm. Chico is 29 mm. Yours is okay. Mine is subhuman at 26.5 mm.

Have a good day

Mfw 25mm

 

[Nosecel]

Mfw 25mm
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You must have really small head or death

 

[needsolution]

You must have really small head or death

Yep, im skullcel.

 

[Nosecel]

Yep, im skullcel.

You should be happy, because if you had such tiny eyes with a large skull, it would be over for you

 

[Over]

Good PFL is the Fundamental feature for a good looking face.

It is indeed extremely important

 

[Brandon10]

Myopic irises are larger.

Where did you get that from? This is a legitimate question I'm not being passive - aggressive here, I just can't find something related. I'm pretty sure about myopic eyeballs being axially longer.

I found this on Quora (lol)

Is the size of the human iris the same for everybody?

In fact it is not. The size of the iris depends on the overall size of the eye. Far sighted people may have smaller eyes and smaller iris'. In turn, near sighted people have larger eyes and therefore iris'.

Though sounds like BS to me, it doesn't make any anatomical sense for the iris size to be correlated with eyeball volume.

 

[Golden Glass]

Where did you get that from? This is a legitimate question I'm not being passive - aggressive here, I just can't find something related. I'm pretty sure about myopic eyeballs being axially longer.

I found this on Quora (lol)



Though sounds like BS to me, it doesn't make any anatomical sense for the iris size to be correlated with eyeball volume.

Are you saying you disagree with the idea that myopic irises are larger?

And that you don’t agree with iris size correlating to eyeball size?

 

[LordNorwood]

It appears i was wrong in the ideal pfl, I admit. 37-40mm is, on reflection, ridiculous. I still maintain, however, that PFL is incredibly important. Here’s the chart on which I based my measurements on.

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look at the Iranians and Ijaws

Half-Iranian with 35+ mm PFL checking in
Dad and brothers all have very wide PFL as well

 

[Golden Glass]

Half-Iranian with 35+ mm PFL checking in
Dad and brothers all have very wide PFL as well

Mirin’ anime-tier eyed Iranians

 

[LordNorwood]

Mirin’ anime-tier eyed Iranians

 

[Golden Glass]

@LordNorwood how tall and attractive are Iranian women?

Srs am considering for offspring-maxing
Edit: Over

 

[LordNorwood]

@LordNorwood how tall and attractive are Iranian women?

Srs am considering for offspring-maxing

Tbqh I have met very few Persian women in my life. All my friends are white and my dad has very minimal contact with the Persian communities here.
In my limited experience however, they are attractive but not likely to be tall. Average Iranian height is like 5'9 or something.

 

[Bechadish]

Even if I have decent PFL and PCT, I'm failoed hard by UEE, scleral show, close-set eyes, bad undereye support, brown eye.

It's over
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tbh your UEE is not the worst, it's more your really high set browridge and arched eyebrow.
close set eyes i don't know it's without consequence unless you have a long midface.
And actually your major issue is your coloring.

@LordNorwood how tall and attractive are Iranian women?

Srs am considering for offspring-maxing
Edit: Over
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anywhere between 5'4 to 5'8 on average.
And one of the best looking ethnic as far as i'm aware.
Get mogged by white looking syrian tho.
Looks like a lot like kurds too.
On average they have pretty fine traits it's all that matters.

Tbqh I have met very few Persian women in my life. All my friends are white and my dad has very minimal contact with the Persian communities here.
In my limited experience however, they are attractive but not likely to be tall. Average Iranian height is like 5'9 or something.

the male height is slightly below imho if you look for persian of mainland, more like 5'8.

 

[tylerhunter97]

Even if I have decent PFL and PCT, I'm failoed hard by UEE, scleral show, close-set eyes, bad undereye support, brown eye.

It's over
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What's your IPD?

 

[Bechadish]

@LordNorwood how tall and attractive are Iranian women?

Srs am considering for offspring-maxing
Edit: Over
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i know something tbh jfl.
I have persian blood in me - not fully - that's why i'm a 5'10 manlet, despite my father beeing 6'3.

 

[Brandon10]

Are you saying you disagree with the idea that myopic irises are larger?

And that you don’t agree with iris size correlating to eyeball size?

There are obviously variations in the iris diameter among humans

Contact Lens Spectrum - contact lens case reports

The Effect of Corneal Diameter on Soft Lens Fitting, Part 1

www.clspectrum.com

...we measured the horizontal visible iris diameter (HVID) of 200 consecutive right eyes in our contact lens practice. In our study, the average HVID was 11.8mm with a range of 10.2mm to 13.0mm...

however it is not mentioned whether this was done in emmetropic eyes.

 

[Bechadish]

There are obviously variations in the iris diameter among humans

Contact Lens Spectrum - contact lens case reports

The Effect of Corneal Diameter on Soft Lens Fitting, Part 1

www.clspectrum.com

however it is not mentioned whether this was done in emmetropic eyes.

i don't know tbh, i always feel like my pfl is meh and low, despite having correct measurement.
I don't even have that much protruding zygos, since they are pretty much high set.
I don't know if it due to the fact that i'm still somewhat not lean facially or i'm coping.

 

[Golden Glass]

There are obviously variations in the iris diameter among humans

Contact Lens Spectrum - contact lens case reports

The Effect of Corneal Diameter on Soft Lens Fitting, Part 1

www.clspectrum.com

however it is not mentioned whether this was done in emmetropic eyes.

Well it’s taken as a well known fact that within optometry that myopic eyeballs themselves tend to be larger—so I don’t think it’s a stretch to then say that on average, the irises on those eyes will be larger as well.

 

[Brandon10]

Well it’s taken as a well known fact that within optometry that myopic eyeballs themselves tend to be larger—so I don’t think it’s a stretch to then say that on average, the irises on those eyes will be larger as well.

. shit, I needed to write a longer reply, will do in a few hours sorry. (mods should allow post removal)

 

[Brandon10]

Well it’s taken as a well known fact that within optometry that myopic eyeballs themselves tend to be larger—so I don’t think it’s a stretch to then say that on average, the irises on those eyes will be larger as well.

Myopic eyeballs are generally longer only in the axial dimension, they don't get wider as myopic progresses. And the reason is simply the fact that the cornea increases in curvature as myopia progresses.

If we consider as a fact that by age 12, the eye attains its full size, what happens if you develop myopia at, say 16, which is very common btw? I doubt the irises get larger in diameter as the vision gets worse.

What may be happening here is some type of illusion: as the eye gets longer with myopia, it makes its transverse dimension look smaller in comparison therefore the iris is the "dominant" part of the globe. So it's just the surrounding sclera on the "sides" looking smaller, not the actual iris getting bigger.

 

[Golden Glass]

Myopic eyeballs are generally longer only in the axial dimension, they don't get wider as myopic progresses. And the reason is simply the fact that the cornea increases in curvature as myopia progresses.

If we consider as a fact that by age 12, the eye attains its full size, what happens if you develop myopia at, say 16, which is very common btw? I doubt the irises get larger in diameter as the vision gets worse.

What may be happening here is some type of illusion: as the eye gets longer with myopia, it makes its transverse dimension look smaller in comparison therefore the iris is the "dominant" part of the globe. So it's just the surrounding sclera on the "sides" looking smaller, not the actual iris getting bigger.

Of the 3-4 people who’ve told me they have an above average iris (after measuring it), they all said they were near sighted.

And it could be an illusion, but maybe a different kind. You say the cornea increases in curvature with more myopia correct? Well the cornea is the dome that covers the iris and pupil

—so perhaps with more curvature (and more myopia), the iris and pupil receive a sort of magnification effect and appear larger—supporting this theory is the fact (IIRC) that myopic pupils are also measured as being larger than enmetropic ones.

To be clear, the apparently larger irises in myopics would still be a phenomenon even when measuring from up close, because at the end of the day, you aren’t really measuring your iris, you’re measuring the image of your iris refracted through your cornea.

 

[Brandon10]

myopic pupils are also measured as being larger than enmetropic ones.

This was a very old theory apparently and from an also old paper I found, it's probably not true.

Do Women and Myopes Have Larger Pupils?

These results do not allow conclusions about pupil size in high or pathologic myopia, since physiologic myopes were selected for this test sample.

Also myopia increases the curvature of the cornea, not its diameter, so even if the magnifying effect you described was happening it wouldn't be possible for the iris to look like it's occupying a larger part of the globe. It doesn't make sense for it to be able to appear like it's "expanding" anywhere outside the corneal diameter (White-to-White diameter as they call it), which is also the reason these two diameters are strongly correlated.

 

[Golden Glass]

This was a very old theory apparently and from an also old paper I found, it's probably not true.

Do Women and Myopes Have Larger Pupils?


Also myopia increases the curvature of the cornea, not its diameter, so even if the magnifying effect you described was happening it wouldn't be possible for the iris to look like it's occupying a larger part of the globe. It doesn't make sense for it to be able to appear like it's "expanding" anywhere outside the corneal diameter (White-to-White diameter as they call it), which is also the reason these two diameters are strongly correlated.

I really don’t know then—again, my optometrist is the one who first informed me on myopics supposedly having larger irises, and all the large irised ppl I’ve spoken to are nearsighted.

 

[Andros]

What's your IPD?

Ruler + mirror say 65-66mm, I'm not sure it's accurate

tbh your UEE is not the worst, it's more your really high set browridge and arched eyebrow.
close set eyes i don't know it's without consequence unless you have a long midface.
And actually your major issue is your coloring.

anywhere between 5'4 to 5'8 on average.
And one of the best looking ethnic as far as i'm aware.
Get mogged by white looking syrian tho.
Looks like a lot like kurds too.
On average they have pretty fine traits it's all that matters.

the male height is slightly below imho if you look for persian of mainland, more like 5'8.

My face is not masculine. Maybe because of my low prenatal T, my digit ratio is only 0.96

 

[tylerhunter97]

Ruler + mirror say 65-66mm, I'm not sure it's accurate

Average IPD is 62-64 mm, your eyes wouldn’t be close set then. Mine is 62mm and looks average

 

[HighIQcel]

~29mm pfl
64-65 ipd
neutral canthal tilt
Dead average?

 

[Deleted member 2506]

my pfl is disgusting visiting taban soon

 

[kuroro]

Good PFL is the Fundamental feature for a good looking face.

It is indeed extremely important

Does Barrett have good PFL ?

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Does Barrett have good PFL ?

his is slightly above average, 30mm.

 

[Over]

Does Barrett have good PFL ?

His pfl is top tier

 

[Deleted member 3962]

then what is it fucking correlated with for fuck's sake?

bad orbitals usually. 99 out of 100 people with large PFL have bug eyes, the PFL comes from the eyes not being deep-set. Somebody with deep-set and large PFL eyes(like de poot) is quite rare.

 

[Darkstrand]

his is slightly above average, 30mm.

I'm pretty sure it's in the 35 range from what I've measured

 

[Deleted member 3962]

His pfl is top tier
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Taken from a non edited non distorted non frauded photo:

37px

15px

37/15=

*11.77(iris length in mm)

29mm

theres a margin of error of 1-2mm at max so his is 27-32(probably around 30mm) aka average - slightly above average PFL.
His PFL to PFW ratio low set brows eyelashes and light blue eyes make it seem wider, but yeah, about average.

I'm pretty sure it's in the 35 range from what I've measured

You measured wrong or used an edited photo of him

did u measure canthus to canthus?

idk how he got 37mm pfl when his skull width is barely half that

 

[BlindMaxxer]

What’s this guy name?

Elias De Poot

 

[kuroro]

his is slightly above average, 30mm.

What would u estimate this guys PFL is ?

 

[Deleted member 3962]

What would u estimate this guys PFL is ?

looks low. probably 27mm-28mm.

 

[Deleted member 4301]

33mm?

@PrettyBoyMaxxing

 

[Deleted member 3202]

His pfl is top tier
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I almost have his eye shape, but IPD (not even that bad, but still, it puts a glass ceiling on what I could be), undereye-support (due to bone) and upper-eyelid shape prevent me from having his eyes. . . . . Fuark!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Mine is ~31-32mm using a ruler

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

34.9mm with ruler

 

[Deleted member 2658]

We all know of the incredible importance of the eye area, it’s effect on your aesthetics is next to none (perhaps, with the exception of the lower third). But what makes an eye area good looking? Amongst other things, one of the crucial parts of your eye area is your PFL. A below average pfl can break your eye area, and make you look like a prey.

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Of course, there are exceptions:

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A very narrow height can offset the effects of a subhuman pfl; but your eyes will still look beady, especially if they’re dark.

By increasing your pfl, you can change your eye area from good, to godly. Look at this morph:

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His eye area is already good in the first pic, but by increasing the pfl, the eye area becomes completely transformed. A small change, a matter of millimetres, but it’s effect is profound. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done about pfl, you can try this:

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But it seems to make little difference.

The ideal pfl is somewhere around 37-40mm, most of the psl 8s don’t have this, so around 30mm is good.

EDIT: The ideal PFL is around 30, not 37-40

And you measure PFL by dividing the horizontal width by the vertical length of your eyes.