The Islamic dilemma ( over for muslimcels )

[lemureater]

Stalin being orthodox is water tbh, he studied at a seminary as a child and the patriarch was one of the first notified about his stroke. It was trotsky who hated religion

ahhhh so it was the holy spirit acting through stalin when that icepick lodged itself into trotskys head

 

[Cherkez]

ahhhh so it was the holy spirit acting through stalin when that icepick lodged itself into trotskys head

It was gorky's spirit acting through a swarthy spaniard

 

[lurker14]

Yes, I am Islamic. But I’m not a good one as I haven’t prayed in a long time.

And you’re right about that! Good observation.

Pisslamic more like. You know it's just Saturn worship right? No different from Judaism

Literally praying towards a black cube and your religious symbol is a moon

 

[lemureater]

It was gorky's spirit acting through a swarthy spaniard

we might be the only 2 people on this forum that understands this

 

[Cherkez]

we might be the only 2 people on this forum that understands this

I wonder if you recognise this?

 

[lemureater]

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I wonder if you recognise this?

AHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK

THIS IS A YOU THING BRO I AINT EVA SEEN THIS

 

[Cherkez]

AHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK

THIS IS A YOU THING BRO I AINT EVA SEEN THIS

educate thyself and then you may join us

 

[AppealGod123]

proof ur unable to read

I did read lmao

Shall we go by this one by one

You didnt give me the context of the ayah, so i wouldnt know, also i never mentioned rebecca why did you get so defensive huh? Funny

Second you mentioned that quran has nothing to do with bible in any way possible

• Reverence for
  Jesus
  Muslims affirm
  Jesus
  as one of God's greatest messengers, the Messiah
  
  and a righteous servant who lived a sinless life.
• The Virgin Mary : Mary is honored as a pure, chosen woman and is the only woman named in the Quran. Muslims affirm her miraculous virgin birth of
  Jesus
  .
• Biblical Prophets: Muslims believe in and respect the same major prophets as Christians,

Here are some for your coping


“Ugly mutt” method for coping and running away from the main point

You also mentioned that perisans didnt defeat the romans, howevr as ling as i remember arabs owned after the roman (byzantine) empire fell shortly

Also evidence is given about the moon being split and you still deny it

I dont think a 5 year old would predict back in the dessert that specifically the arab world will have tall buildings, clearly showing that the tallest building is birj khalifa, yea i dont think back when there were camels as transport it was easy ti predict

the hadeeth you gave only shows that how semen is impure and that it was washed, the water spots mentioning is just to show you that it doesnt need to dry to be pure, and also shows cleaniness

Also addiny many words doesnt mean you won the argument, most what you said were fillers and useless insults

You also mentioned i dont know any muslims here
Heres some
@Ahmed88 @Gengar’s Ghost @Narcissus🥀

 

[lemureater]

I did read lmao

Shall we go by this one by one

You didnt give me the context of the ayah, so i wouldnt know, also i never mentioned rebecca why did you get so defensive huh? Funny

Second you mentioned that quran has nothing to do with bible in any way possible

• Reverence for
  Jesus
  Muslims affirm
  Jesus
  as one of God's greatest messengers, the Messiah
  
  and a righteous servant who lived a sinless life.
• The Virgin Mary : Mary is honored as a pure, chosen woman and is the only woman named in the Quran. Muslims affirm her miraculous virgin birth of
  Jesus
  .
• Biblical Prophets: Muslims believe in and respect the same major prophets as Christians,

Here are some for your coping


“Ugly mutt” method for coping and running away from the main point

You also mentioned that perisans didnt defeat the romans, howevr as ling as i remember arabs owned after the roman (byzantine) empire fell shortly

Also evidence is given about the moon being split and you still deny it

I dont think a 5 year old would predict back in the dessert that specifically the arab world will have tall buildings, clearly showing that the tallest building is birj khalifa, yea i dont think back when there were camels as transport it was easy ti predict

the hadeeth you gave only shows that how semen is impure and that it was washed, the water spots mentioning is just to show you that it doesnt need to dry to be pure, and also shows cleaniness

Also addiny many words doesnt mean you won the argument, most what you said were fillers and useless insults

You also mentioned i dont know any muslims here
Heres some
@Ahmed88 @Gengar’s Ghost @Narcissus🥀

romans did not fall shortly after the arab conquest of levant and NA tho

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Pisslamic more like. You know it's just Saturn worship right? No different from Judaism
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Literally praying towards a black cube and your religious symbol is a moon

Kafiroid ramblings.

 

[AppealGod123]

Kafiroid ramblings.

Nigga put any images and call it a day

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Nigga put any images and call it a day

I don’t even argue with these IQlets.

 

[AppealGod123]

romans did not fall shortly after the arab conquest of levant and NA tho

Well they had mesopotamia, and it reduced to the size that it was basically even called an empire

 

[AppealGod123]

I don’t even argue with these IQlets.

Its like you stung them with a needle or something

“defensive mode”

Losers getting debunked every time

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Its like you stung them with a needle or something

“defensive mode”

Losers getting debunked every time

In 1400 years, many intellectuals tried to debunk Islam and failed miserably.

And some retarded teenage basement dwellers think they somehow can.

 

[lemureater]

Well they had mesopotamia, and it reduced to the size that it was basically even called an empire

byzantines were still an empire jfl what

 

[AppealGod123]

In 1400 years, many intellectuals tried to debunk Islam and failed miserably.

And some retarded teenage basement dwellers think they somehow can.

Funny thing is they always do it

Like if you destroy the fuck out of them its like since birth theyre programmed to be like this

quran is the best writing ever existed, its so insane and predicts so mucb stuff in the future, which is simply insane

Copers will always be copers

And they will always find a way to hate on the best

“if you’re perfect, people will envy you”

No matter how truthful it is, people will always find a way to find something to argue about

 

[AppealGod123]

byzantines were still an empire jfl what

The Romans have been defeated in a nearby land" (30:2-3).

and they, after their defeat, will be victorious within a few years" (30:3-4).

Yes true i got things mixed up jfl

But my point stays the same it was predicted

Its reallt what happened

 

[lemureater]

The Romans have been defeated in a nearby land" (30:2-3).

and they, after their defeat, will be victorious within a few years" (30:3-4).

Yes true i got things mixed up jfl

But my point stays the same it was predicted

Its reallt what happened

its not a prediction if its something that requires intention and plan.

an example would be me predicting that im gonna rep you and then BOW WAOOOW OMG I JUST REPPED YOU HOLY FUUUUCK

its the mechanism of how it occurs

 

[AppealGod123]

its not a prediction if its something that requires intention and plan.

an example would be me predicting that im gonna rep you and then BOW WAOOOW OMG I JUST REPPED YOU HOLY FUUUUCK

its the mechanism of how it occurs

But isnt predicting something is that you cant change it or have no power over it?

Man idk its 3 am

 

[lemureater]

The Romans have been defeated in a nearby land" (30:2-3).

and they, after their defeat, will be victorious within a few years" (30:3-4).

Yes true i got things mixed up jfl

But my point stays the same it was predicted

Its reallt what happened

also since it was predicting alot of things, why does it choose to predict only certain events?

Why not predict the fall of baghdad which was by far the greatest blow to islam to occur occur

why not predict sectarian infighting

why not predict man going to the moon

why not predict the rise of other ideologies and secularism

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Funny thing is they always do it

Like if you destroy the fuck out of them its like since birth theyre programmed to be like this

quran is the best writing ever existed, its so insane and predicts so mucb stuff in the future, which is simply insane

Copers will always be copers

And they will always find a way to hate on the best

“if you’re perfect, people will envy you”

No matter how truthful it is, people will always find a way to find something to argue about

Indeed, even Christian Arabs hail the Qur’an as a literary masterpiece.

I’ve stopped arguing with these bigots a long time ago.

 

[lemureater]

But isnt predicting something is that you cant change it or have no power over it?

Man idk its 3 am

predicting it is when u have no power to change it yes

im also tired as fuck so im prolly not gonna give the best arguments as well lol

 

[lemureater]

Indeed, even Christian Arabs hail the Qur’an as a literary masterpiece.

I’ve stopped arguing with these bigots a long time ago.

most religious texts are made to promote good morals and a greater fufillment

whether it be the Vedas or Quran

they all have the same allure

otherwise it wouldnt be much of a mainstream religion would it?

 

[lurker14]

Kafiroid ramblings.

Aisha touching hands typed this

 

[lurker14]

most religious texts are made to promote good morals and a greater fufillment

whether it be the Vedas or Quran

Good morals is when you chop infidels heads off and have multiple wives or something

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Aisha touching hands typed this

- Scully fanboy hands typed this.

 

[lemureater]

Good morals is when you chop infidels heads off and have multiple wives or something

multiple wives thing is context based due to war and how woman wouldnt have a way of getting a job or whatever back then

however it does raise a good argument for how the quran doesnt predict the rise of a secular society that places woman and man labour rights at the same level. Therefore removing the need for the whole multiple wives per man thing, its sort of regressive

 

[AppealGod123]

also since it was predicting alot of things, why does it choose to predict only certain events?

Why not predict the fall of baghdad which was by far the greatest blow to islam to occur occur

why not predict sectarian infighting

why not predict man going to the moon

why not predict the rise of other ideologies and secularism

the quran is mostly for guidance and not giving “predictions”

Also if everything was predicted, where is the test god will put us through, everything will be like a script, so the concept of dunya (this life) is useless

You also have to keep in mind the quran is a timeless book, so not everything can be mentioned

Imagine youre in the 7th century and you hear about “oh usa will fly to the moon”

Again go what i have you step by step, the last parts is considering it in a hypothetical world

 

[AppealGod123]

Indeed, even Christian Arabs hail the Qur’an as a literary masterpiece.

I’ve stopped arguing with these bigots a long time ago.

Its funny seeing how lost they are, not knowing to actually educate themselves or start barking with these threads

 

[lemureater]

the quran is mostly for guidance and not giving “predictions”

Also if everything was predicted, where is the test god will put us through, everything will be like a script, so the concept of dunya (this life) is useless

You also have to keep in mind the quran is a timeless book, so not everything can be mentioned

Imagine youre in the 7th century and you hear about “oh usa will fly to the moon”

Again go what i have you step by step, the last parts is considering it in a hypothetical world

if it is timeless then why maintain the multiple wives rule?

why maintain slave regulations rule?

why have these rules that we as a society have moved past primarily.

Its not like the argument that 'oh slavery still exists' bcs thats region based and depends on the material conditions + developmental stage of their economy

 

[AppealGod123]

if it is timeless then why maintain the multiple wives rule?

why maintain slave regulations rule?

why have these rules that we as a society have moved past primarily.

Its not like the argument that 'oh slavery still exists' bcs thats region based and depends on the material conditions + developmental stage of their economy

I really dont understand can you explain what slave rule

If anything slaves are not allowed in islam, and all that muhammad had were before it was mentioned it was haram(not allowed)

Dont understand whats wrong with the multiple wife rule? As ling as you treat them all equally then you are free to marry up to 4 (not like i want) and again its optional as ling and what you see is best

 

[Ahmed88]

Raping kids is your expertise, Surah 65:4 classic, and if you’re referring to Rebecca, Idk why you would out yourself as a retard like that, Jewish rabbis don’t have authority over Christian scripture, low iq fag, go ahead and search up average iq worldwide and look at where your bombing pedophile rape country lies, underdeveloped twink

Wrong, took me one look to understand what a stupid fucking retard

Lets go and debunk these claims one by one

1. The surah 65:4
Let me guess, it's another thing about child marriage

First of all i have no idea what this has to do with child marriage so im going to explain the verse or any ,,mistake" someone could of made understanding it

let's have a look at the verse tho

The verse uses the word "nisaikum" which littlerally means woman and refers clearly to women in these verses.

The word "nisa" can technically refer to girls, in the same way "women" in English can refer to girls for instance, prepubescent girls will use the women's washroom rather than the men's. But just like in English, the default understanding of the term is that it refers to adults, and a clarification or contextualization is needed for it to refer to both women and girls

The only reason a person would think that this verse could refer to prepubescent girls is if they looked at the bit of the verse that discusses women who don't menstruate and, lacking any nuanced understanding of the realities of female human anatomy, thinks that the only way a woman could possibly not menstruate would be if they hadn't hit puberty yet

5-10% of post-pubescent women either don't menstruate or menstruate so irregularly it is a legitimate surprise whenever it happens. In the modern day, many cases of PCOS can be treated. In the old days, it wasn't well understood. So there were a lot of women who just didn't menstruate. It was a common enough phenomenon that it needed to be addressed

lslamic dilemma wasn’t even brought up by me Jfl I don’t give a shit, he didn’t disprove that it’s a contradiction yet and I don’t need to disprove a religion which hasn’t proved itself, this is why the Quran is wrong on embryology, trinitarianism, Judaism

And some random image doesn’t prove anything, make a point or stop spreading bullshit

He did, all your arguments are heavily misunderstood, debunked or just don't make sense, he debunked most of your arguments multiple times but you go in circles, this just proves, how much of a retard you are and liekly trolling

And some random image doesn’t prove anything, make a point or stop spreading bullshit

Not random, its a image which points to 5000 contradiction in the bible, there are about 200k more irregularities in the Bible that depoct violence (against woman in particular), justifying rape, scientific absurdities, historical inaccuracies, cruelty and more) but i will do you a favor and only give you 5000 contradictions out of 200k only 2.5% of the total btw

Which part of Christs good word do you affirm, you don’t believe he’s the son of God, you don’t believe in the Holy Spirit, crucifixion, resurrection, obviously you’re claiming it’s all false retard, and don’t forget u claim all of Paul’s writings are false, which was affirmed by the other apostles, so basically u believe every apostle of Jesus was false, what the fuck do you affirm from the gospels

• His message: Worship one God (strict monotheism), repentance, humility, charity, and moral living.
• His miracles: Healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead—by God’s permission.
• His virgin birth: Born to Mary (Maryam), which is also affirmed in the Qur’an.
• His role as Messiah: Though interpreted differently than in Christianity.
• His ethical teachings: Love, compassion, forgiveness—many of the moral teachings found in the Gospels are seen as consistent with Islamic values.

(All out of ai cause i don't have time to deal with such a retarded bullshit argument)

Didn’t even happen u, ugly mutt, this is the problem with you Muslims tryna make everything into proof of your religion, same shit with Daniel 2 and 7, I guarantee anyone not born into your inbred cousin fucking family would laugh at claims like “muh Muhammad split the moon because some English guy and an Indian king saw it” your cope religion wouldn’t need shitty cope like this

He's right tho and its heavily agreed upon,

,,noone would believe the moon was split" doesn't work because jesus did the same amount of insane miracles that muhammad pbuh did, turning water into wine, multiplying food etc. all sound unbelievable, even evolution sounds insane to most people

Muslim scholars


But the funniest thing is I asked you to prove prophecies from the bible being fulfilled by Muhammad, hence the “continuation from previous PROPHETS (people who spread prophecies) and instead you started to refer to bullshit vague prophecies which are obvious as fuck “muh people will make tall buildings” I think a 5 year old could think of this, straight after getting fucked by your prophet and cleaning the cum stains off his clothes as the other children did

Even if these happened, u didn’t respond to any flaw I listed, defend your fucking religion instead of reading your dawah script at any inconvenience

- debunk argument and guve miracles
- ,,but muhhhhh those are vagueeee miracles muhhh"

Here are a bunch more from google ai ntw (took me 2 seconds)

1. Near-term historical predictions (during his lifetime)

• Victory at Badr – reported predictions of specific individuals who would die
• Conquest of Mecca – Muslims would return to Mecca
• Safety of Medina – enemies would fail to destroy the Muslim community early on

2. Qur’anic prophecy

• Romans vs Persians
  • The Roman Empire would defeat the Sasanian Empire after a loss
  • Fulfilled during the reign of Heraclius

3. Expansion and political future

• Conquest of:
  • Persia (Sasanian Empire collapses)
  • Parts of Roman/Byzantine lands
• Islam spreading widely across regions
• Prediction of wealth flowing into Muslim lands

4. Internal conflicts

• Division within the Muslim community
• Assassination of leaders
• Civil wars such as the First Fitna

5. Predictions about specific people

• Deaths of certain opponents in battle
• Reports about the fate of some companions and leaders
• Statements interpreted as foretelling the killing of figures like Uthman or Ali (reported in later sources)

6. Social and moral changes


Frequently cited hadith describe future conditions like:

• Increase in wealth but loss of morality
• Widespread dishonesty
• Breakdown of trust
• Increase in killing and conflict
• People competing in building tall structures
• Changes in gender roles and behavior

Sahih al-Bukhari 230
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

Yes they lived poorly in a barren desert, they didn't have money for clothes, also i don't see how any of this is wrong, it's like chucking clothes in a washing mashine but not letting them fully dry, also many scholars agree the clothes mentioned here was his underwear, oh no guys he washed his underwear after it got dirty and wore it before it dried what a dirty religion may cheesus help us all

jfl what kind of argument is this


Also im not debunking any more of your stupid ass arguments, until you debunk mine

All this (especially the first and lasy argument) made me realize you're probably an autist or trolling


I just did it for @AppealGod123

 

[lemureater]

I really dont understand can you explain what slave rule

If anything slaves are not allowed in islam, and all that muhammad had were before it was mentioned it was haram(not allowed)

Dont understand whats wrong with the multiple wife rule? As ling as you treat them all equally then you are free to marry up to 4 (not like i want) and again its optional as ling and what you see is best

the 4 wives rule leads to 3/4 of men being left without wives

this leads to antisocial behaviour blah blah blah theres studies on this that explain this phenominuom better fml i cant spell that word

also slaves are allowed in islam- but there are regulations on how u should treat them etc

 

[AppealGod123]

Wrong, took me one look to understand what a stupid fucking retard

Lets go and debunk these claims one by one

1. The surah 65:4
Let me guess, it's another thing about child marriage

First of all i have no idea what this has to do with child marriage so im going to explain the verse or any ,,mistake" someone could of made understanding it

let's have a look at the verse tho

The verse uses the word "nisaikum" which littlerally means woman and refers clearly to women in these verses.

The word "nisa" can technically refer to girls, in the same way "women" in English can refer to girls for instance, prepubescent girls will use the women's washroom rather than the men's. But just like in English, the default understanding of the term is that it refers to adults, and a clarification or contextualization is needed for it to refer to both women and girls

The only reason a person would think that this verse could refer to prepubescent girls is if they looked at the bit of the verse that discusses women who don't menstruate and, lacking any nuanced understanding of the realities of female human anatomy, thinks that the only way a woman could possibly not menstruate would be if they hadn't hit puberty yet

5-10% of post-pubescent women either don't menstruate or menstruate so irregularly it is a legitimate surprise whenever it happens. In the modern day, many cases of PCOS can be treated. In the old days, it wasn't well understood. So there were a lot of women who just didn't menstruate. It was a common enough phenomenon that it needed to be addressed


He did, all your arguments are heavily misunderstood, debunked or just don't make sense, he debunked most of your arguments multiple times but you go in circles, this just proves, how much of a retard you are and liekly trolling

Not random, its a image which points to 5000 contradiction in the bible, there are about 200k more irregularities in the Bible that depoct violence (against woman in particular), justifying rape, scientific absurdities, historical inaccuracies, cruelty and more) but i will do you a favor and only give you 5000 contradictions out of 200k only 2.5% of the total btw

• His message: Worship one God (strict monotheism), repentance, humility, charity, and moral living.
• His miracles: Healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead—by God’s permission.
• His virgin birth: Born to Mary (Maryam), which is also affirmed in the Qur’an.
• His role as Messiah: Though interpreted differently than in Christianity.
• His ethical teachings: Love, compassion, forgiveness—many of the moral teachings found in the Gospels are seen as consistent with Islamic values.

(All out of ai cause i don't have time to deal with such a retarded bullshit argument)

He's right tho and its heavily agreed upon,

,,noone would believe the moon was split" doesn't work because jesus did the same amount of insane miracles that muhammad pbuh did, turning water into wine, multiplying food etc. all sound unbelievable, even evolution sounds insane to most people

- debunk argument and guve miracles
- ,,but muhhhhh those are vagueeee miracles muhhh"

Here are a bunch more from google ai ntw (took me 2 seconds)

1. Near-term historical predictions (during his lifetime)

• Victory at Badr – reported predictions of specific individuals who would die
• Conquest of Mecca – Muslims would return to Mecca
• Safety of Medina – enemies would fail to destroy the Muslim community early on

2. Qur’anic prophecy

• Romans vs Persians
  • The Roman Empire would defeat the Sasanian Empire after a loss
  • Fulfilled during the reign of Heraclius

3. Expansion and political future

• Conquest of:
  • Persia (Sasanian Empire collapses)
  • Parts of Roman/Byzantine lands
• Islam spreading widely across regions
• Prediction of wealth flowing into Muslim lands

4. Internal conflicts

• Division within the Muslim community
• Assassination of leaders
• Civil wars such as the First Fitna

5. Predictions about specific people

• Deaths of certain opponents in battle
• Reports about the fate of some companions and leaders
• Statements interpreted as foretelling the killing of figures like Uthman or Ali (reported in later sources)

6. Social and moral changes


Frequently cited hadith describe future conditions like:

• Increase in wealth but loss of morality
• Widespread dishonesty
• Breakdown of trust
• Increase in killing and conflict
• People competing in building tall structures
• Changes in gender roles and behavior

Yes they lived poorly in a barren desert, they didn't have money for clothes, also i don't see how any of this is wrong, it's like chucking clothes in a washing mashine but not letting them fully dry, also many scholars agree the clothes mentioned here was his underwear, oh no guys he washed his underwear after it got dirty and wore it before it dried what a dirty religion may cheesus help us all

jfl what kind of argument is this


Also im not debunking any mote arguments

All this (especially the first and lasy argument) made me realize you're probably an autist or trolling


I just did it for @AppealGod123

Oh my fucking days this just finished the thread

Bro this has to be pinned on the thread with the caption “retarded christian fag gets debunked easily by muslims”

Man id delete my account after getting destroyed this hard under my own thread

Niggas really posted 5 pages dogwalking hik in his own thread

الله ينصر الاسلام والمسلمين أخي

 

[thomasjiooo]

The verse uses the word "nisaikum" which littlerally means woman and refers clearly to women in these verses.

All debunked when u read tafsir and it says little girls before reaching their period lol cope

debunked most of your arguments multiple times

Debunked 0 not even once

forgiveness

Jfl Muhammad stoned a woman who repented for adultery, the forgiveness isn’t even remotely the same,

Worship one God (strict monotheism), repentance, humility, charity, and moral living.

so you affirm that the gospels teach strict monotheism, thank you for refuting your own God

bunch more

dnr as I said I wasn’t referring to Islamic prophecies I was referring to biblical ones, maybe if you could read

The ai use is pathetic confirmation bias

cheesus

Your own “respected” prophet, Kys

jfl what kind of argument is this

u right making children clean cum off your clothes (why is it even there)(Muhammad had diddy parties)

probably an autist

so ai slop and a strawman is your rebuttal, your brain is shrinking

I just did it for

genuine faggot behaviour

 

[v.3ex]

DNRD

 

[AppealGod123]

the 4 wives rule leads to 3/4 of men being left without wives

this leads to antisocial behaviour blah blah blah theres studies on this that explain this phenominuom better fml i cant spell that word

also slaves are allowed in islam- but there are regulations on how u should treat them etc

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:177)
: Defines true righteousness as giving wealth to relatives, orphans, the needy, and "for the freeing of slaves

A Requirement for Alms (Zakat):

• Surah At-Tawbah (9:60): Lists the eight categories of people entitled to receive Zakat (obligatory charity), explicitly including "to free those in bondage" (fi al-riqab

Zihar (a form of divorce): Requires "the freeing of a slave" before a couple can reunite (Surah Al-Mujadilah 58
Your slaves are your brothers... whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears" (Sahih Bukhari)

 

[thomasjiooo]

Oh my fucking days this just finished the thread

Bro this has to be pinned on the thread with the caption “retarded christian fag gets debunked easily by muslims”

Man id delete my account after getting destroyed this hard under my own thread

Niggas really posted 5 pages dogwalking hik in his own thread

الله ينصر الاسلام والمسلمين أخي

Not even my thread + he disrespected your prophet (your people would decapitate him for that btw) + ai slop which I already said I wasn’t looking for, brutal

 

[lemureater]

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:177)
: Defines true righteousness as giving wealth to relatives, orphans, the needy, and "for the freeing of slaves

A Requirement for Alms (Zakat):

• Surah At-Tawbah (9:60): Lists the eight categories of people entitled to receive Zakat (obligatory charity), explicitly including "to free those in bondage" (fi al-riqab

Zihar (a form of divorce): Requires "the freeing of a slave" before a couple can reunite (Surah Al-Mujadilah 58
Your slaves are your brothers... whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears" (Sahih Bukhari)

yes it promotes the freeing of slaves WHILST also placing regulations on how to treat them and deal with them

 

[AppealGod123]

All debunked when u read tafsir and it says little girls before reaching their period lol cope


Debunked 0 not even once


Jfl Muhammad stoned a woman who repented for adultery, the forgiveness isn’t even remotely the same,

so you affirm that the gospels teach strict monotheism, thank you for refuting your own God

dnr as I said I wasn’t referring to Islamic prophecies I was referring to biblical ones, maybe if you could read

The ai use is pathetic confirmation bias


Your own “respected” prophet, Kys

u right making children clean cum off your clothes (why is it even there)(Muhammad had diddy parties)

so ai slop and a strawman is your rebuttal, your brain is shrinking

genuine faggot behaviour

You realize you never give sources to almost everything you say

And msot things yoh say are just insults or some faggot shit

 

[AppealGod123]

yes it promotes the freeing of slaves WHILST also placing regulations on how to treat them and deal with them

Well at this point treating a slave eith this much respect is basically having a nanny at home

Slaves before islam had nothing of this, the ideology changed the name stayed the same

 

[thomasjiooo]

Oh my fucking days this just finished the thread

Bro this has to be pinned on the thread with the caption “retarded christian fag gets debunked easily by muslims”

Man id delete my account after getting destroyed this hard under my own thread

Niggas really posted 5 pages dogwalking hik in his own thread

الله ينصر الاسلام والمسلمين أخي

Wrong, took me one look to understand what a stupid fucking retard

Lets go and debunk these claims one by one

1. The surah 65:4
Let me guess, it's another thing about child marriage

First of all i have no idea what this has to do with child marriage so im going to explain the verse or any ,,mistake" someone could of made understanding it

let's have a look at the verse tho

The verse uses the word "nisaikum" which littlerally means woman and refers clearly to women in these verses.

The word "nisa" can technically refer to girls, in the same way "women" in English can refer to girls for instance, prepubescent girls will use the women's washroom rather than the men's. But just like in English, the default understanding of the term is that it refers to adults, and a clarification or contextualization is needed for it to refer to both women and girls

The only reason a person would think that this verse could refer to prepubescent girls is if they looked at the bit of the verse that discusses women who don't menstruate and, lacking any nuanced understanding of the realities of female human anatomy, thinks that the only way a woman could possibly not menstruate would be if they hadn't hit puberty yet

5-10% of post-pubescent women either don't menstruate or menstruate so irregularly it is a legitimate surprise whenever it happens. In the modern day, many cases of PCOS can be treated. In the old days, it wasn't well understood. So there were a lot of women who just didn't menstruate. It was a common enough phenomenon that it needed to be addressed


He did, all your arguments are heavily misunderstood, debunked or just don't make sense, he debunked most of your arguments multiple times but you go in circles, this just proves, how much of a retard you are and liekly trolling

Not random, its a image which points to 5000 contradiction in the bible, there are about 200k more irregularities in the Bible that depoct violence (against woman in particular), justifying rape, scientific absurdities, historical inaccuracies, cruelty and more) but i will do you a favor and only give you 5000 contradictions out of 200k only 2.5% of the total btw

• His message: Worship one God (strict monotheism), repentance, humility, charity, and moral living.
• His miracles: Healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead—by God’s permission.
• His virgin birth: Born to Mary (Maryam), which is also affirmed in the Qur’an.
• His role as Messiah: Though interpreted differently than in Christianity.
• His ethical teachings: Love, compassion, forgiveness—many of the moral teachings found in the Gospels are seen as consistent with Islamic values.

(All out of ai cause i don't have time to deal with such a retarded bullshit argument)

He's right tho and its heavily agreed upon,

,,noone would believe the moon was split" doesn't work because jesus did the same amount of insane miracles that muhammad pbuh did, turning water into wine, multiplying food etc. all sound unbelievable, even evolution sounds insane to most people

- debunk argument and guve miracles
- ,,but muhhhhh those are vagueeee miracles muhhh"

Here are a bunch more from google ai ntw (took me 2 seconds)

1. Near-term historical predictions (during his lifetime)

• Victory at Badr – reported predictions of specific individuals who would die
• Conquest of Mecca – Muslims would return to Mecca
• Safety of Medina – enemies would fail to destroy the Muslim community early on

2. Qur’anic prophecy

• Romans vs Persians
  • The Roman Empire would defeat the Sasanian Empire after a loss
  • Fulfilled during the reign of Heraclius

3. Expansion and political future

• Conquest of:
  • Persia (Sasanian Empire collapses)
  • Parts of Roman/Byzantine lands
• Islam spreading widely across regions
• Prediction of wealth flowing into Muslim lands

4. Internal conflicts

• Division within the Muslim community
• Assassination of leaders
• Civil wars such as the First Fitna

5. Predictions about specific people

• Deaths of certain opponents in battle
• Reports about the fate of some companions and leaders
• Statements interpreted as foretelling the killing of figures like Uthman or Ali (reported in later sources)

6. Social and moral changes


Frequently cited hadith describe future conditions like:

• Increase in wealth but loss of morality
• Widespread dishonesty
• Breakdown of trust
• Increase in killing and conflict
• People competing in building tall structures
• Changes in gender roles and behavior

Yes they lived poorly in a barren desert, they didn't have money for clothes, also i don't see how any of this is wrong, it's like chucking clothes in a washing mashine but not letting them fully dry, also many scholars agree the clothes mentioned here was his underwear, oh no guys he washed his underwear after it got dirty and wore it before it dried what a dirty religion may cheesus help us all

jfl what kind of argument is this


Also im not debunking any more of your stupid ass arguments, until you debunk mine

All this (especially the first and lasy argument) made me realize you're probably an autist or trolling


I just did it for @AppealGod123

I can do the same shit and ask ai for failed prophecies lol it’s not hard, u just can’t prove it on a deep level

1. The Immediate Arrival of the "Hour"
Several hadith report that Muhammad predicted the Day of Judgment (the Hour) would arrive within his lifetime or the lifetime of his contemporaries.

• The 7th Century Child: According to Sahih al-Bukhari (Volume 8, Book 76, Number 518), after seeing a young boy, Muhammad said, "If this boy lives, he will not grow very old till the Hour will be established." This prophecy failed as 1,400 years have passed.
• The "Finger" Prophecy: Muhammad is reported to have said, "I have been sent and the hour (is near) like the space between these two (fingers)," pointing with his index and middle finger.
• Failed Apocalypse: Early Muslims expected the world to end shortly, a belief that is not supported by modern historical timelines.
  

2. Expulsion of Non-Muslims from Arabia

• The Promise: In Sahih Muslim 1767, Muhammad is reported to have said, "I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."
• The Outcome: This did not happen within his lifetime, and historically, communities of Jews and Christians remained in the region for some time afterward.

3. Misidentification of the Dajjal (Antichrist)

• Ibn Sayyad: Early Islamic traditions show that Muhammad and his companions, particularly Umar, strongly suspected that a boy named Ibn Sayyad was the Dajjal (the Antichrist).
• The Failure: Ibn Sayyad grew up, became a Muslim, and died in Medina, proving he was not the apocalyptic Antichrist figure prophesied to appear at the end of times.

4. Vague or Failed Political Predictions

• The Last Caesar/Khosrau: Muhammad is reported in Sahih al-Bukhari (Hadith 93) to have said that after the Persian Emperor (Khosrau) dies, there will be no more Khosrau, and when the Roman Caesar dies, there will be no more Caesar. Both empires continued to have rulers for decades, and the Roman (Byzantine) Empire lasted for centuries.
• Internal Control: A hadith states that after Muhammad's death, no enemy would ever control Muslims except from within. Critics point to foreign conquests by the Mongols, British, and others as a failure of this prediction.

5. Specific Failed Prophecies by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
In the context of the Ahmadiyya movement (a sect often deemed non-Muslim by Sunni/Shia authorities), its founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, made numerous specific predictions that failed:

• Marriage to Muhammadi Begum: He predicted he would marry a woman named Muhammadi Begum, claiming God told him it was a "settled affair." The marriage never took place.
• Death of Abdullah Atham: He prophesied that a Christian debater, Abdullah Atham, would die within 15 months (by September 5, 1894). Atham lived for a long time after that date.
• Birth of Sons: He predicted the birth of multiple sons who would be great reformers, several of whom died young or were not born as described.

6. The "Talking Whip" Prophecy

• The Prophecy: In Musnad Ahmad 12699, it is stated that the Hour will not come until a person’s whip, shoelaces, or the tip of their whip speaks to them. Critics view this as a failed or absurd prediction, as it has not come true in a literal sense.
  

 

[lemureater]

Well at this point treating a slave eith this much respect is basically having a nanny at home

Slaves before islam had nothing of this, the ideology changed the name stayed the same

r we deadass rationalising slavery

dont matter if u treat them right

youre still owning another human being

wtf

 

[AppealGod123]

Not even my thread + he disrespected your prophet (your people would decapitate him for that btw) + ai slop which I already said I wasn’t looking for, brutal

Ai slop for sources, which he gave you right sources, its all typed it except for the sources

God will fotgive him i have nothing to do with what be says

 

[lemureater]

omg can u fags stop chatgpting paragraphs to each other holy fucl

 

[thomasjiooo]

You realize you never give sources to almost everything you say

And msot things yoh say are just insults or some faggot shit

it’s because they’re water if you’re knowledgeable, and they are true too lol, u could have asked instead of ignoring, Surah 5:116, Surah 9:30 off the top of my head retard, I know your shit scripture more than you

 

[ghoulmania]

why tf is this ragebait thread still alive lmaoooo

 

[thomasjiooo]

Ai slop for sources, which he gave you right sources, its all typed it except for the sources

God will fotgive him i have nothing to do with what be says

u affirmed it lol

Here are a bunch more from google ai ntw (took me 2 seconds)

No not for sources clearly he said he used ai why are we dick sucking to the point of lying

 

[AppealGod123]

r we deadass rationalising slavery

dont matter if u treat them right

youre still owning another human being

wtf

Well let me explain it to you in another way

Well islam cant free all slaves can they? Just with one rule and boom theyre all gone

The closed the doors for owning a slave, for example kidnapping or taking a child or anything, so that means that no new slaves

It had to be gradually, so the rules softened, and they could buy their freedom and get better treatment

And all scholars say that it is forbidden in the modern day, the quran pushes the idea of freeing slaves, meaning the main goal was abolishing slavery

So owning a slave nowadays is haram (not allowed)