The myth of NTmaxxing: Why you can’t become what you’re not

[AlphaLooksmaxxer666]

how to know if youre non nt or nt anyways.

 

[IKnowYourStats]

many people are actually NT but just high inhibition, and even then, only around people they don’t know or people that they find attractive.

Also, some people are low inhibition but still not that NT, as in they aren’t afraid to talk to new people, but they might just behave outlandishly

 

[afroheadluke]

goated thread

 

[Gargantuan]

how to know if youre non nt or nt anyways.

It is encoded in your brain wiring but essentially you should ask yourself how effortlessly you can blend in with normies.

If you can do it effortlessly, without feeling mentally drained and also happen to have the same interests, ways of thinking etc. then you are most likely neurotypical.

If you have a preference for more arcane interests, difficulty in navigating overly stimulative environments, and experience challenges with maintaining a flow state, then you are most likely neurodivergent.

 

[AlphaLooksmaxxer666]

It is encoded in your brain wiring but essentially you should ask yourself how effortlessly you can blend in with normies.

If you can do it effortlessly, without feeling mentally drained and also happen to have the same interests, ways of thinking etc. then you are most likely neurotypical.

If you have a preference for more arcane interests, difficulty in navigating overly stimulative environments, and experience challenges with maintaining a flow state, then you are most likely neurodivergent.

ok thanks

 

[taxidrivermaxxer]

Understanding neurotypicals and neurodivergents​

It has been a while since I last created a high-effort thread, but I felt compelled to write this one as this myth of ‘’NTmaxxing’’ needs to die out.
To preface, this thread is not an attack on those who preach about the supposed "importance" of being neurotypical. Instead, it aims to dismantle misconceptions that one can magically "become" neurotypical through superficial strategies or behavioural changes.
The neurological wiring of any individual is SET IN STONE and cannot be altered through actions. This thread will explore the differences between neurotypicals and neurodivergents and delve into the cognitive and cultural dynamics that highlight why NTmaxxing is a flawed pursuit.

What are neurotypical people?
View attachment 3402557
Within neurodiversity, neurotypicals (NTs, also colloquially referred to as normies) are individuals whose neurological wiring aligns with societal norms, enabling them to function smoothly in structured environments. They represent the overwhelming majority of the population in any given context. Neurotypicals excel at adhering to the status quo (irrespective of what that may be), hierarchies, and social cues.

Characteristics:

• Hierarchical nature: NTs operate within pyramid-like social systems, where rank, authority, and power balances dominate social and workplace dynamics.
• Mental shortsightedness: Their thought processes focus on immediate and tangible concerns. Abstract, long-term, or large-scale consequences often fall outside their scope of consideration.
• Blind social conformity: NTs thrive on shared norms, valuing harmony and predictability over critical evaluation or innovation.

Example:
Consider their stance on the COVID-19 vaccines, a few years ago.
NTs all rushed to take it, citing the immediate benefits of taking the jab: being able to travel and go to gyms, restaurants, clubs etc. without even considering the long-term ramifications and/or the damage that these experimental and unproven vaccines could end up doing to their bodies.
This reflects an inability and/or unwillingness to think beyond their immediate needs and scope.


What are neurodivergent people?
View attachment 3402559
Within neurodiversity, neurodivergents (NDs) include those with a wide range of atypical neurological traits or conditions. This group spans individuals with autism, ADHD, and other "non-standard" ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Neurodivergents often demonstrate exceptional creativity, analytical abilities, and a propensity for groundbreaking innovation.

Characteristics:

• Big-picture thinking: Neurodivergents often analyse situations holistically, considering far-reaching implications and multi-layered outcomes.
• Innovation and creativity: They are disproportionately represented among inventors and pioneers of revolutionary ideas and technologies.
• Struggle with norms: Their divergence from societal norms can create friction, particularly in structured, hierarchical environments.

Example:
Going back to the COVID-19 vaccines, the neurodivergent approach was vastly different: NDs approached it with far more caution, scrutinizing the lack of long-term data and the unprecedented speed of its development.
This reflects their tendency toward analytical thinking and prioritizing potential future risks over immediate benefits. While this scepticism may seem overly cautious to NTs, it stems from a focus on broader implications and a need for a more thorough understanding before acting.


Why NTmaxxing is a myth
Now that we’ve established the basic framework let’s extrapolate this further, using the forum as a case study.

If you’re on this forum, especially if you've been here for a prolonged period, it’s safe to conclude that you are NOT neurotypical and NEVER will be.
The very existence of these spaces, a form of "neurodivergent social media", arises because traditional social media platforms often fail to resonate with ND thought processes.
Yet, many users desperately cling to the belief that they can somehow transform into NTs through external means like "NTmaxxing"
But this belief misunderstands the very essence of ND and NT cognitive styles.

Just think about it, the very idea of a ''blackpilled'' community does NOT stem from NT minds and their subsequent wiring but instead, stems from ND minds since they view the world on a different level
The same principle could be applied to the redpill , as it also niche and falls beyond the scope of conventional, neurotypical wiring

Additionally, a trait that is highly common in these places, is the rigid adherence to the continuously perpetuated systems, rules and guidelines that operate with the PSL sphere rules and guidelines.
A behaviour commonly associated with individuals on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402617
Neurodivergent individuals, particularly those with autism, are also prone to viewing the world in black-and-white terms.
This binary mode of thinking manifests in a failure to recognize nuance since in reality, there will also be shades of grey.
For example, many users here dismissively categorize traits or strategies as either entirely good or entirely bad.

Coincidentally, only half of the users who participated in the Looksmax.org 2024 survey were able to confirm that they are not on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402651

The forum survey also revealed that 8.2% of the participants confirmed they are on the autism spectrum, a figure that is approximately 192.86% higher than the 2.8% prevalence rate observed in the United States, the largest demographic contributor to the forum.
Globally, this percentage is 720% higher than the 1% global prevalence rate:
View attachment 3402661

To further illustrate this, they will oversimplify concepts, declaring:

• ''blue eyes good, brown eyes bad''
• ''jaw is law/eyes are the price’’
• ‘’6’3 or below is manlet’’

Without understanding the complexities or trade-offs associated with these instances.

This black-and-white thinking can also be applied to behaviour:

• ‘’Just NTmaxx and you will get girls, bro’’

Ironically, these individuals often adopt their own specialized terminology and engage in nihilistic discourse - behaviours that further alienate them from mainstream society - despite their stated desire to become neurotypical, wanting to fit in and coming up with their theories on how all of this could work out simultaneously through ''NTmaxxing'' (JFL)

Rather than striving to become something that you're not, you would unironically be better off embracing your unique strengths.


Bottomline: genetic determinism
Neurodivergence is not a choice. It stems from deeply rooted neurological differences that manifest as introspection, introversion, and even melancholia (all very common here). Historically, these traits were adaptive, providing unique insights and roles in cooperative communities.
But today, in a hyper-conformist and individualistic world, these traits often seem maladaptive. As society shifts toward rewarding sociability and immediate gratification, ND traits - like long-term thinking - are increasingly undervalued.

Despite the challenges posed by modern society, NDs can thrive by building systems suited to their cognitive styles and leveraging their strengths rather than striving to emulate NTs. To do this, you must understand and accept NTs as they are
Conversely to trying to emulate NTs, the other major mistake NDs will make is to project their desires, values, and ways of thinking onto NTs.
Neurotypicals are not going to change because you want them to, nor are they equipped to think beyond their immediate mental horizons. Instead of wishing they were different, neurodivergents must learn to observe neurotypicals objectively - almost like a zoologist studying a different species.
View attachment 3402704

Neurotypicals function in their narrow hierarchical systems and transactional mentalities. Once you accept this as an unchangeable reality, you WILL be able to handle them more effectively and without frustration.

You can’t force neurotypicals to think holistically, but you can learn to work within their systems to achieve better outcomes.
Rather than striving to become something they are not, neurodivergents thrive by embracing their unique strengths and building systems suited to their own cognitive styles, avoiding the pitfalls of black-and-white ideologies
The changing world may appear to marginalize ND traits, but the solution is not to conform to NT norms, nor is to try and change or convert NTs into your way of thinking. Instead, it is to acknowledge and harness the unique value of these traits in ways that align with their intrinsic strengths.

Read everything

Great insight and conclusion.

Thanks for the thread man.

 

[|Daddy_Zygos|]

It is encoded in your brain wiring but essentially you should ask yourself how effortlessly you can blend in with normies.

If you can do it effortlessly, without feeling mentally drained and also happen to have the same interests, ways of thinking etc. then you are most likely neurotypical.

If you have a preference for more arcane interests, difficulty in navigating overly stimulative environments, and experience challenges with maintaining a flow state, then you are most likely neurodivergent.

so basically if I had a easy time talking with people I would be fine
realistically the only reason why I was here bcs years of social isolation put I never had a hard time talking with people

 

[|Daddy_Zygos|]

Understanding neurotypicals and neurodivergents​

It has been a while since I last created a high-effort thread, but I felt compelled to write this one as this myth of ‘’NTmaxxing’’ needs to die out.
To preface, this thread is not an attack on those who preach about the supposed "importance" of being neurotypical. Instead, it aims to dismantle misconceptions that one can magically "become" neurotypical through superficial strategies or behavioural changes.
The neurological wiring of any individual is SET IN STONE and cannot be altered through actions. This thread will explore the differences between neurotypicals and neurodivergents and delve into the cognitive and cultural dynamics that highlight why NTmaxxing is a flawed pursuit.

What are neurotypical people?
View attachment 3402557
Within neurodiversity, neurotypicals (NTs, also colloquially referred to as normies) are individuals whose neurological wiring aligns with societal norms, enabling them to function smoothly in structured environments. They represent the overwhelming majority of the population in any given context. Neurotypicals excel at adhering to the status quo (irrespective of what that may be), hierarchies, and social cues.

Characteristics:

• Hierarchical nature: NTs operate within pyramid-like social systems, where rank, authority, and power balances dominate social and workplace dynamics.
• Mental shortsightedness: Their thought processes focus on immediate and tangible concerns. Abstract, long-term, or large-scale consequences often fall outside their scope of consideration.
• Blind social conformity: NTs thrive on shared norms, valuing harmony and predictability over critical evaluation or innovation.

Example:
Consider their stance on the COVID-19 vaccines, a few years ago.
NTs all rushed to take it, citing the immediate benefits of taking the jab: being able to travel and go to gyms, restaurants, clubs etc. without even considering the long-term ramifications and/or the damage that these experimental and unproven vaccines could end up doing to their bodies.
This reflects an inability and/or unwillingness to think beyond their immediate needs and scope.


What are neurodivergent people?
View attachment 3402559
Within neurodiversity, neurodivergents (NDs) include those with a wide range of atypical neurological traits or conditions. This group spans individuals with autism, ADHD, and other "non-standard" ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Neurodivergents often demonstrate exceptional creativity, analytical abilities, and a propensity for groundbreaking innovation.

Characteristics:

• Big-picture thinking: Neurodivergents often analyse situations holistically, considering far-reaching implications and multi-layered outcomes.
• Innovation and creativity: They are disproportionately represented among inventors and pioneers of revolutionary ideas and technologies.
• Struggle with norms: Their divergence from societal norms can create friction, particularly in structured, hierarchical environments.

Example:
Going back to the COVID-19 vaccines, the neurodivergent approach was vastly different: NDs approached it with far more caution, scrutinizing the lack of long-term data and the unprecedented speed of its development.
This reflects their tendency toward analytical thinking and prioritizing potential future risks over immediate benefits. While this scepticism may seem overly cautious to NTs, it stems from a focus on broader implications and a need for a more thorough understanding before acting.


Why NTmaxxing is a myth
Now that we’ve established the basic framework let’s extrapolate this further, using the forum as a case study.

If you’re on this forum, especially if you've been here for a prolonged period, it’s safe to conclude that you are NOT neurotypical and NEVER will be.
The very existence of these spaces, a form of "neurodivergent social media", arises because traditional social media platforms often fail to resonate with ND thought processes.
Yet, many users desperately cling to the belief that they can somehow transform into NTs through external means like "NTmaxxing"
But this belief misunderstands the very essence of ND and NT cognitive styles.

Just think about it, the very idea of a ''blackpilled'' community does NOT stem from NT minds and their subsequent wiring but instead, stems from ND minds since they view the world on a different level
The same principle could be applied to the redpill , as it also niche and falls beyond the scope of conventional, neurotypical wiring

Additionally, a trait that is highly common in these places, is the rigid adherence to the continuously perpetuated systems, rules and guidelines that operate with the PSL sphere rules and guidelines.
A behaviour commonly associated with individuals on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402617
Neurodivergent individuals, particularly those with autism, are also prone to viewing the world in black-and-white terms.
This binary mode of thinking manifests in a failure to recognize nuance since in reality, there will also be shades of grey.
For example, many users here dismissively categorize traits or strategies as either entirely good or entirely bad.

Coincidentally, only half of the users who participated in the Looksmax.org 2024 survey were able to confirm that they are not on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402651

The forum survey also revealed that 8.2% of the participants confirmed they are on the autism spectrum, a figure that is approximately 192.86% higher than the 2.8% prevalence rate observed in the United States, the largest demographic contributor to the forum.
Globally, this percentage is 720% higher than the 1% global prevalence rate:
View attachment 3402661

To further illustrate this, they will oversimplify concepts, declaring:

• ''blue eyes good, brown eyes bad''
• ''jaw is law/eyes are the price’’
• ‘’6’3 or below is manlet’’

Without understanding the complexities or trade-offs associated with these instances.

This black-and-white thinking can also be applied to behaviour:

• ‘’Just NTmaxx and you will get girls, bro’’

Ironically, these individuals often adopt their own specialized terminology and engage in nihilistic discourse - behaviours that further alienate them from mainstream society - despite their stated desire to become neurotypical, wanting to fit in and coming up with their theories on how all of this could work out simultaneously through ''NTmaxxing'' (JFL)

Rather than striving to become something that you're not, you would unironically be better off embracing your unique strengths.


Bottomline: genetic determinism
Neurodivergence is not a choice. It stems from deeply rooted neurological differences that manifest as introspection, introversion, and even melancholia (all very common here). Historically, these traits were adaptive, providing unique insights and roles in cooperative communities.
But today, in a hyper-conformist and individualistic world, these traits often seem maladaptive. As society shifts toward rewarding sociability and immediate gratification, ND traits - like long-term thinking - are increasingly undervalued.

Despite the challenges posed by modern society, NDs can thrive by building systems suited to their cognitive styles and leveraging their strengths rather than striving to emulate NTs. To do this, you must understand and accept NTs as they are
Conversely to trying to emulate NTs, the other major mistake NDs will make is to project their desires, values, and ways of thinking onto NTs.
Neurotypicals are not going to change because you want them to, nor are they equipped to think beyond their immediate mental horizons. Instead of wishing they were different, neurodivergents must learn to observe neurotypicals objectively - almost like a zoologist studying a different species.
View attachment 3402704

Neurotypicals function in their narrow hierarchical systems and transactional mentalities. Once you accept this as an unchangeable reality, you WILL be able to handle them more effectively and without frustration.

You can’t force neurotypicals to think holistically, but you can learn to work within their systems to achieve better outcomes.
Rather than striving to become something they are not, neurodivergents thrive by embracing their unique strengths and building systems suited to their own cognitive styles, avoiding the pitfalls of black-and-white ideologies
The changing world may appear to marginalize ND traits, but the solution is not to conform to NT norms, nor is to try and change or convert NTs into your way of thinking. Instead, it is to acknowledge and harness the unique value of these traits in ways that align with their intrinsic strengths.

this basically talking with people who is diagnosed with the autism spectrum that they cant never be NT
compare the ppl who just live a socially isolated lifestyle

 

[|Daddy_Zygos|]

many people are actually NT but just high inhibition, and even then, only around people they don’t know or people that they find attractive.

yeah pretty much me except with talking with new people

 

[certifiedeskimo]

I think whether or not you can fit in is case by case. There are two people in my class with adhd me and one other girl. She is able to fit in and people only found out she had adhd after two and a half years of being in the same class. whereas I’m not fitting in as well as I’d like

There’s this one girl whose boyfriend is diagnosed with autism yet both she and one of my friends have told me that I am way weirder than him. I think this is because both him and the girl from my class have had much more social exposure than I have.

u prob also have autism

this whole thread makes it seem as though being non nt is better than being a normie. being a normie is way better both in society and in nature

 

[BadLuck7892]

Well-said.

As an autist, I'm never going to become NT.

 

[Sprinkles]

neurotypicals are matrix fucking npcs

 

[Part-Time Chad]

I read every word. A very good read, and a thread that inspires me to start my own thread idea that I've been thinking about for a long time..

"THE ULTIMATE LIFEMAXXING MEGAGUIDE (Meaning of life, its purpose and how to get through it by increasing satisfaction and quality of life for every age group)"

Is going to be a very large and detailed thread, but I'm always thinking about whether or not it's worth investing time and energy in it..

You guys think people on this forum would be interested in such a guide?

@Alexanderr @NumbThePain @TechnoBoss @Orc ?

The more time I spend on this forum, the less inclined I'm becoming to investing time into high-effort threads. They're almost never worth it. They go over everyone's head.

 

[taxidrivermaxxer]

I read every word. A very good read, and a thread that inspires me to start my own thread idea that I've been thinking about for a long time..

"THE ULTIMATE LIFEMAXXING MEGAGUIDE (Meaning of life, its purpose and how to get through it by increasing satisfaction and quality of life for every age group)"

Is going to be a very large and detailed thread, but I'm always thinking about whether or not it's worth investing time and energy in it..

You guys think people on this forum would be interested in such a guide?

@Alexanderr @NumbThePain @TechnoBoss @Orc ?

Yes i am interested

 

[EvilDarkskinManlet]

Misery loves company the thread

 

[mogtivism]

Understanding neurotypicals and neurodivergents​

It has been a while since I last created a high-effort thread, but I felt compelled to write this one as this myth of ‘’NTmaxxing’’ needs to die out.
To preface, this thread is not an attack on those who preach about the supposed "importance" of being neurotypical. Instead, it aims to dismantle misconceptions that one can magically "become" neurotypical through superficial strategies or behavioural changes.
The neurological wiring of any individual is SET IN STONE and cannot be altered through actions. This thread will explore the differences between neurotypicals and neurodivergents and delve into the cognitive and cultural dynamics that highlight why NTmaxxing is a flawed pursuit.

What are neurotypical people?
View attachment 3402557
Within neurodiversity, neurotypicals (NTs, also colloquially referred to as normies) are individuals whose neurological wiring aligns with societal norms, enabling them to function smoothly in structured environments. They represent the overwhelming majority of the population in any given context. Neurotypicals excel at adhering to the status quo (irrespective of what that may be), hierarchies, and social cues.

Characteristics:

• Hierarchical nature: NTs operate within pyramid-like social systems, where rank, authority, and power balances dominate social and workplace dynamics.
• Mental shortsightedness: Their thought processes focus on immediate and tangible concerns. Abstract, long-term, or large-scale consequences often fall outside their scope of consideration.
• Blind social conformity: NTs thrive on shared norms, valuing harmony and predictability over critical evaluation or innovation.

Example:
Consider their stance on the COVID-19 vaccines, a few years ago.
NTs all rushed to take it, citing the immediate benefits of taking the jab: being able to travel and go to gyms, restaurants, clubs etc. without even considering the long-term ramifications and/or the damage that these experimental and unproven vaccines could end up doing to their bodies.
This reflects an inability and/or unwillingness to think beyond their immediate needs and scope.


What are neurodivergent people?
View attachment 3402559
Within neurodiversity, neurodivergents (NDs) include those with a wide range of atypical neurological traits or conditions. This group spans individuals with autism, ADHD, and other "non-standard" ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Neurodivergents often demonstrate exceptional creativity, analytical abilities, and a propensity for groundbreaking innovation.

Characteristics:

• Big-picture thinking: Neurodivergents often analyse situations holistically, considering far-reaching implications and multi-layered outcomes.
• Innovation and creativity: They are disproportionately represented among inventors and pioneers of revolutionary ideas and technologies.
• Struggle with norms: Their divergence from societal norms can create friction, particularly in structured, hierarchical environments.

Example:
Going back to the COVID-19 vaccines, the neurodivergent approach was vastly different: NDs approached it with far more caution, scrutinizing the lack of long-term data and the unprecedented speed of its development.
This reflects their tendency toward analytical thinking and prioritizing potential future risks over immediate benefits. While this scepticism may seem overly cautious to NTs, it stems from a focus on broader implications and a need for a more thorough understanding before acting.


Why NTmaxxing is a myth
Now that we’ve established the basic framework let’s extrapolate this further, using the forum as a case study.

If you’re on this forum, especially if you've been here for a prolonged period, it’s safe to conclude that you are NOT neurotypical and NEVER will be.
The very existence of these spaces, a form of "neurodivergent social media", arises because traditional social media platforms often fail to resonate with ND thought processes.
Yet, many users desperately cling to the belief that they can somehow transform into NTs through external means like "NTmaxxing"
But this belief misunderstands the very essence of ND and NT cognitive styles.

Just think about it, the very idea of a ''blackpilled'' community does NOT stem from NT minds and their subsequent wiring but instead, stems from ND minds since they view the world on a different level
The same principle could be applied to the redpill , as it also niche and falls beyond the scope of conventional, neurotypical wiring

Additionally, a trait that is highly common in these places, is the rigid adherence to the continuously perpetuated systems, rules and guidelines that operate with the PSL sphere rules and guidelines.
A behaviour commonly associated with individuals on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402617
Neurodivergent individuals, particularly those with autism, are also prone to viewing the world in black-and-white terms.
This binary mode of thinking manifests in a failure to recognize nuance since in reality, there will also be shades of grey.
For example, many users here dismissively categorize traits or strategies as either entirely good or entirely bad.

Coincidentally, only half of the users who participated in the Looksmax.org 2024 survey were able to confirm that they are not on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402651

The forum survey also revealed that 8.2% of the participants confirmed they are on the autism spectrum, a figure that is approximately 192.86% higher than the 2.8% prevalence rate observed in the United States, the largest demographic contributor to the forum.
Globally, this percentage is 720% higher than the 1% global prevalence rate:
View attachment 3402661

To further illustrate this, they will oversimplify concepts, declaring:

• ''blue eyes good, brown eyes bad''
• ''jaw is law/eyes are the price’’
• ‘’6’3 or below is manlet’’

Without understanding the complexities or trade-offs associated with these instances.

This black-and-white thinking can also be applied to behaviour:

• ‘’Just NTmaxx and you will get girls, bro’’

Ironically, these individuals often adopt their own specialized terminology and engage in nihilistic discourse - behaviours that further alienate them from mainstream society - despite their stated desire to become neurotypical, wanting to fit in and coming up with their theories on how all of this could work out simultaneously through ''NTmaxxing'' (JFL)

Rather than striving to become something that you're not, you would unironically be better off embracing your unique strengths.


Bottomline: genetic determinism
Neurodivergence is not a choice. It stems from deeply rooted neurological differences that manifest as introspection, introversion, and even melancholia (all very common here). Historically, these traits were adaptive, providing unique insights and roles in cooperative communities.
But today, in a hyper-conformist and individualistic world, these traits often seem maladaptive. As society shifts toward rewarding sociability and immediate gratification, ND traits - like long-term thinking - are increasingly undervalued.

Despite the challenges posed by modern society, NDs can thrive by building systems suited to their cognitive styles and leveraging their strengths rather than striving to emulate NTs. To do this, you must understand and accept NTs as they are
Conversely to trying to emulate NTs, the other major mistake NDs will make is to project their desires, values, and ways of thinking onto NTs.
Neurotypicals are not going to change because you want them to, nor are they equipped to think beyond their immediate mental horizons. Instead of wishing they were different, neurodivergents must learn to observe neurotypicals objectively - almost like a zoologist studying a different species.
View attachment 3402704

Neurotypicals function in their narrow hierarchical systems and transactional mentalities. Once you accept this as an unchangeable reality, you WILL be able to handle them more effectively and without frustration.

You can’t force neurotypicals to think holistically, but you can learn to work within their systems to achieve better outcomes.
Rather than striving to become something they are not, neurodivergents thrive by embracing their unique strengths and building systems suited to their own cognitive styles, avoiding the pitfalls of black-and-white ideologies
The changing world may appear to marginalize ND traits, but the solution is not to conform to NT norms, nor is to try and change or convert NTs into your way of thinking. Instead, it is to acknowledge and harness the unique value of these traits in ways that align with their intrinsic strengths.

Not all neurodivergence is the same

if you are able to mask your neurodivergent characteristics and function as a regular human being, understanding body language, what other’s are feeling, know how to spot a manipulator, you can do well.

Only if you can hide your irregularities from people, including a girlfriend should you be fortunate enough to find a partner.

But if you’re someone who cannot recognize social cue’s, body language, what other’s are thinking, and what’s appropriate to say in the moment, you will have a rough time. Guaranteed

However I disagree with your statement that NTmaxxing is impossible, infact, I think how you act largely depends on how you look like.

I remember i acted in a very different way when I was in highschool than I act now. Back then, I used to say weird things all the time, make a fool of myself, was an easy target for bullies, and just had a fake “friend” group i’d jestermaxx for. I had a hard time understanding social cues and whether someone was laughing with me, at me, or cringing. When I lost a lot of weight, fixed hair, Suddenly people treated me like a human being, I found myself socializing more, making friends and that leads to today where I have a mostly normal life, normie friends, and can abstain from saying something that would make a fool out of me.

It’s no coincidence that a lot of outcasts who are non-neurotypical (weird) look weird too. Change your looks, you change how people behave towards you, acquire more social experience, and you change yourself.

Not saying it applies to all cases, but worked for me

 

[TiktokUser]

Consider their stance on the COVID-19 vaccines, a few years ago.
NTs all rushed to take it, citing the immediate benefits of taking the jab: being able to travel and go to gyms, restaurants, clubs etc. without even considering the long-term ramifications and/or the damage that these experimental and unproven vaccines could end up doing to their bodies.

You had to take this shit to go back to in person learning

 

[castizo_ascender]

agree completely. if you are truly non-NT (as in asd/aspie/adhd/schizo) your best bet is to learn how NT society works and figure out how to use your strengths to fit in and navigate social situations.

Also you forgot to mention for most non-NTs, looksmaxing, not ntmaxing is the best way to get girls. For most people it will be easier to just ascend to solid HTN+ and have girls do most of the work than to try to completely rethink the way they socialize and interact with nts

 

[castizo_ascender]

Not all neurodivergence is the same

if you are able to mask your neurodivergent characteristics and function as a regular human being, understanding body language, what other’s are feeling, know how to spot a manipulator, you can do well.

Only if you can hide your irregularities from people, including a girlfriend should you be fortunate enough to find a partner.

But if you’re someone who cannot recognize social cue’s, body language, what other’s are thinking, and what’s appropriate to say in the moment, you will have a rough time. Guaranteed

However I disagree with your statement that NTmaxxing is impossible, infact, I think how you act largely depends on how you look like.

I remember i acted in a very different way when I was in highschool than I act now. Back then, I used to say weird things all the time, make a fool of myself, was an easy target for bullies, and just had a fake “friend” group i’d jestermaxx for. I had a hard time understanding social cues and whether someone was laughing with me, at me, or cringing. When I lost a lot of weight, fixed hair, Suddenly people treated me like a human being, I found myself socializing more, making friends and that leads to today where I have a mostly normal life, normie friends, and can abstain from saying something that would make a fool out of me.

It’s no coincidence that a lot of outcasts who are non-neurotypical (weird) look weird too. Change your looks, you change how people behave towards you, acquire more social experience, and you change yourself.

Not saying it applies to all cases, but worked for me

yh can attest im non-NT by birth and i also look pretty weird. I can pm face if u want. i don't look "ugly" in the typical sense but i do look ogre/uncanny

 

[Daddy's Home]

The more time I spend on this forum, the less inclined I'm becoming to investing time into high-effort threads. They're almost never worth it. They go over everyone's head.

I think the same unfortunately, that's why I can never find the real motivation for it..

 

[NORDEN SLAVORUM]

Why would anybody want to become a nonsentient, NPC, neurotypical?

 

[mogtivism]

yh can attest im non-NT by birth and i also look pretty weird. I can pm face if u want. i don't look "ugly" in the typical sense but i do look ogre/uncanny

Sure, i can take a look

 

[heightmaxxing]

Some people aren't actually non nt their just high inhib.
Unless your extremely autistic you can definitely become act more nt.
Mark Zuckerberg is a good example. He acts alot more nt now than a couple of years ago.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Not all neurodivergence is the same

if you are able to mask your neurodivergent characteristics and function as a regular human being, understanding body language, what other’s are feeling, know how to spot a manipulator, you can do well.

Only if you can hide your irregularities from people, including a girlfriend should you be fortunate enough to find a partner.

But if you’re someone who cannot recognize social cue’s, body language, what other’s are thinking, and what’s appropriate to say in the moment, you will have a rough time. Guaranteed

However I disagree with your statement that NTmaxxing is impossible, infact, I think how you act largely depends on how you look like.

I remember i acted in a very different way when I was in highschool than I act now. Back then, I used to say weird things all the time, make a fool of myself, was an easy target for bullies, and just had a fake “friend” group i’d jestermaxx for. I had a hard time understanding social cues and whether someone was laughing with me, at me, or cringing.

i used to be a pretty nt guy before blackpill. i would make funny jokes and crack people, be friendly with almost everyone, try to force myself into the cool kids group in the class and i would get nothing in return because of my looks.

after acknowledging that i am ugly, i started to talk a lot less in school if never, i gave up on trying to make friends, embraced being a loner because i had to.

NT is not just a state of mind, its the sum of the past positive and negative feedbacks you got from people through the social interactions.

When I lost a lot of weight, fixed hair, Suddenly people treated me like a human being, I found myself socializing more, making friends and that leads to today where I have a mostly normal life, normie friends, and can abstain from saying something that would make a fool out of me.

It’s no coincidence that a lot of outcasts who are non-neurotypical (weird) look weird too. Change your looks, you change how people behave towards you, acquire more social experience, and you change yourself.

At the end looks are all that matters.

 

[qazw]

I disagree with the thread. Being non-NT does not always mean having autism, it just means not fitting in with normies. NTmaxxing is extremely difficult if you're autistic but it can be achieved if you are just socially undeveloped.

I'm non-NT because I used to have social anxiety disorder and it meant I wasn't able to develop socially because I always avoided talking to people. I can't fit in with normies because I can't relate to them and can't join in on most normie conversations.

My recommendations for NTmaxxing are:

• Avoid texting people and prioritise talking to people face to face. Messaging on this forum is going to make you less NT.
• Method acting classes so you can fraud NT-ness. If you get good enough at it, you can lie your way through NT conversations.
• Research normie trends and activities so you can join normie conversations. If you were in a normie conversation where you knew nothing about the topic, make a note of it and prepare for next time it comes up.
• Take ashwagandha (reduces social anxiety)
• Copy the most normie fashion styles and most normie opinions
• Improve looks so that normies will include you more

I'm also suspicious that drugs might make you more NT, since most normies take drugs. Nicotine has been proven to improve cognitive function: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6018192/

 

[billymidnight]

Understanding neurotypicals and neurodivergents​

It has been a while since I last created a high-effort thread, but I felt compelled to write this one as this myth of ‘’NTmaxxing’’ needs to die out.
To preface, this thread is not an attack on those who preach about the supposed "importance" of being neurotypical. Instead, it aims to dismantle misconceptions that one can magically "become" neurotypical through superficial strategies or behavioural changes.
The neurological wiring of any individual is SET IN STONE and cannot be altered through actions. This thread will explore the differences between neurotypicals and neurodivergents and delve into the cognitive and cultural dynamics that highlight why NTmaxxing is a flawed pursuit.

What are neurotypical people?
View attachment 3402557
Within neurodiversity, neurotypicals (NTs, also colloquially referred to as normies) are individuals whose neurological wiring aligns with societal norms, enabling them to function smoothly in structured environments. They represent the overwhelming majority of the population in any given context. Neurotypicals excel at adhering to the status quo (irrespective of what that may be), hierarchies, and social cues.

Characteristics:

• Hierarchical nature: NTs operate within pyramid-like social systems, where rank, authority, and power balances dominate social and workplace dynamics.
• Mental shortsightedness: Their thought processes focus on immediate and tangible concerns. Abstract, long-term, or large-scale consequences often fall outside their scope of consideration.
• Blind social conformity: NTs thrive on shared norms, valuing harmony and predictability over critical evaluation or innovation.

Example:
Consider their stance on the COVID-19 vaccines, a few years ago.
NTs all rushed to take it, citing the immediate benefits of taking the jab: being able to travel and go to gyms, restaurants, clubs etc. without even considering the long-term ramifications and/or the damage that these experimental and unproven vaccines could end up doing to their bodies.
This reflects an inability and/or unwillingness to think beyond their immediate needs and scope.


What are neurodivergent people?
View attachment 3402559
Within neurodiversity, neurodivergents (NDs) include those with a wide range of atypical neurological traits or conditions. This group spans individuals with autism, ADHD, and other "non-standard" ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Neurodivergents often demonstrate exceptional creativity, analytical abilities, and a propensity for groundbreaking innovation.

Characteristics:

• Big-picture thinking: Neurodivergents often analyse situations holistically, considering far-reaching implications and multi-layered outcomes.
• Innovation and creativity: They are disproportionately represented among inventors and pioneers of revolutionary ideas and technologies.
• Struggle with norms: Their divergence from societal norms can create friction, particularly in structured, hierarchical environments.

Example:
Going back to the COVID-19 vaccines, the neurodivergent approach was vastly different: NDs approached it with far more caution, scrutinizing the lack of long-term data and the unprecedented speed of its development.
This reflects their tendency toward analytical thinking and prioritizing potential future risks over immediate benefits. While this scepticism may seem overly cautious to NTs, it stems from a focus on broader implications and a need for a more thorough understanding before acting.


Why NTmaxxing is a myth
Now that we’ve established the basic framework let’s extrapolate this further, using the forum as a case study.

If you’re on this forum, especially if you've been here for a prolonged period, it’s safe to conclude that you are NOT neurotypical and NEVER will be.
The very existence of these spaces, a form of "neurodivergent social media", arises because traditional social media platforms often fail to resonate with ND thought processes.
Yet, many users desperately cling to the belief that they can somehow transform into NTs through external means like "NTmaxxing"
But this belief misunderstands the very essence of ND and NT cognitive styles.

Just think about it, the very idea of a ''blackpilled'' community does NOT stem from NT minds and their subsequent wiring but instead, stems from ND minds since they view the world on a different level
The same principle could be applied to the redpill , as it also niche and falls beyond the scope of conventional, neurotypical wiring

Additionally, a trait that is highly common in these places, is the rigid adherence to the continuously perpetuated systems, rules and guidelines that operate with the PSL sphere rules and guidelines.
A behaviour commonly associated with individuals on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402617
Neurodivergent individuals, particularly those with autism, are also prone to viewing the world in black-and-white terms.
This binary mode of thinking manifests in a failure to recognize nuance since in reality, there will also be shades of grey.
For example, many users here dismissively categorize traits or strategies as either entirely good or entirely bad.

Coincidentally, only half of the users who participated in the Looksmax.org 2024 survey were able to confirm that they are not on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402651

The forum survey also revealed that 8.2% of the participants confirmed they are on the autism spectrum, a figure that is approximately 192.86% higher than the 2.8% prevalence rate observed in the United States, the largest demographic contributor to the forum.
Globally, this percentage is 720% higher than the 1% global prevalence rate:
View attachment 3402661

To further illustrate this, they will oversimplify concepts, declaring:

• ''blue eyes good, brown eyes bad''
• ''jaw is law/eyes are the price’’
• ‘’6’3 or below is manlet’’

Without understanding the complexities or trade-offs associated with these instances.

This black-and-white thinking can also be applied to behaviour:

• ‘’Just NTmaxx and you will get girls, bro’’

Ironically, these individuals often adopt their own specialized terminology and engage in nihilistic discourse - behaviours that further alienate them from mainstream society - despite their stated desire to become neurotypical, wanting to fit in and coming up with their theories on how all of this could work out simultaneously through ''NTmaxxing'' (JFL)

Rather than striving to become something that you're not, you would unironically be better off embracing your unique strengths.


Bottomline: genetic determinism
Neurodivergence is not a choice. It stems from deeply rooted neurological differences that manifest as introspection, introversion, and even melancholia (all very common here). Historically, these traits were adaptive, providing unique insights and roles in cooperative communities.
But today, in a hyper-conformist and individualistic world, these traits often seem maladaptive. As society shifts toward rewarding sociability and immediate gratification, ND traits - like long-term thinking - are increasingly undervalued.

Despite the challenges posed by modern society, NDs can thrive by building systems suited to their cognitive styles and leveraging their strengths rather than striving to emulate NTs. To do this, you must understand and accept NTs as they are
Conversely to trying to emulate NTs, the other major mistake NDs will make is to project their desires, values, and ways of thinking onto NTs.
Neurotypicals are not going to change because you want them to, nor are they equipped to think beyond their immediate mental horizons. Instead of wishing they were different, neurodivergents must learn to observe neurotypicals objectively - almost like a zoologist studying a different species.
View attachment 3402704

Neurotypicals function in their narrow hierarchical systems and transactional mentalities. Once you accept this as an unchangeable reality, you WILL be able to handle them more effectively and without frustration.

You can’t force neurotypicals to think holistically, but you can learn to work within their systems to achieve better outcomes.
Rather than striving to become something they are not, neurodivergents thrive by embracing their unique strengths and building systems suited to their own cognitive styles, avoiding the pitfalls of black-and-white ideologies
The changing world may appear to marginalize ND traits, but the solution is not to conform to NT norms, nor is to try and change or convert NTs into your way of thinking. Instead, it is to acknowledge and harness the unique value of these traits in ways that align with their intrinsic strengths.

Well… actually ashwaganda made me super NT so this is just wrong

 

[african_subhuman]

Absolutely agree
Zoomers here will think they're nd just because they're anxious jfl
To this day, I still don't how to act in most situations. I never understood why people were looking at me when I did something that I thought was right but was wrong. I also don't know how to converse since I probably have alogia.
Now I don't try anymore because I know it will be awkward.

 

[T50 Demon]

Does it mean youre non-NT if you consistently showed strange behaviours like writing death threats to the teacher in elementary.

 

[einzigartig]

Good thread

npc comment

 

[Mewton]

Read every word. Brutal

 

[anthony111553]

isn't that why it's called Ntmaxxing? i never took it as changing who you are. Just being as social as your brain will allow you too

 

[Gargantuan]

so basically if I had a easy time talking with people I would be fine
realistically the only reason why I was here bcs years of social isolation put I never had a hard time talking with people

It could be, although it's important to realise how you truly feel when you're among other people and stay to yourself, meaning not forcing yourself to be something you're not.
But if you're truly comfortable at heart in these settings and don't do it solely for the sake of socialising then yeah, you should be good.

A good litmus test would be to see if you can enter any social setting without a specific goal or objective, no need to impress others, achieve external validation etc., and still feel at ease simply being there.
If the experience feels natural and fulfilling on its own, that might be a sign you're more aligned with NT social dynamics.
Otherwise, if there’s a constant calculation or a sense of effort, it may suggest the opposite.

Not all neurodivergence is the same

if you are able to mask your neurodivergent characteristics and function as a regular human being, understanding body language, what other’s are feeling, know how to spot a manipulator, you can do well.

Only if you can hide your irregularities from people, including a girlfriend should you be fortunate enough to find a partner.

But if you’re someone who cannot recognize social cue’s, body language, what other’s are thinking, and what’s appropriate to say in the moment, you will have a rough time. Guaranteed

However I disagree with your statement that NTmaxxing is impossible, infact, I think how you act largely depends on how you look like.

I remember i acted in a very different way when I was in highschool than I act now. Back then, I used to say weird things all the time, make a fool of myself, was an easy target for bullies, and just had a fake “friend” group i’d jestermaxx for. I had a hard time understanding social cues and whether someone was laughing with me, at me, or cringing. When I lost a lot of weight, fixed hair, Suddenly people treated me like a human being, I found myself socializing more, making friends and that leads to today where I have a mostly normal life, normie friends, and can abstain from saying something that would make a fool out of me.

It’s no coincidence that a lot of outcasts who are non-neurotypical (weird) look weird too. Change your looks, you change how people behave towards you, acquire more social experience, and you change yourself.

Not saying it applies to all cases, but worked for me

Of course, there are varying degrees of neurodivergence, I pointed this out too.
And yeah, looks still play a massive role, but I made this thread specifically to cover neurology, not physiology/looks. Looks are a given in terms of importance for how you are treated and I'm not here to dismiss or dispute that.
But in the end, some people simply are not compatible in terms of neurology, even if they are attractive and all that.

I would also argue that if you're planning to hide certain characteristics from others that are inherent to you, you're only setting yourself up for failure in the long run, especially when it comes to dating/finding a long-term partner.

People should aim for their looksmatch in terms of physical appearance, but I will argue that it is just as important to find someone with more or less a similar brain/neurological wiring because otherwise, the relationship will not last.

Why would anybody want to become a nonsentient, NPC, neurotypical?

I wouldn't, and I would never advocate for it either. But there's no choice in this matter, you're either born an NPC or you're not.

I disagree with the thread. Being non-NT does not always mean having autism, it just means not fitting in with normies. NTmaxxing is extremely difficult if you're autistic but it can be achieved if you are just socially undeveloped.

I'm non-NT because I used to have social anxiety disorder and it meant I wasn't able to develop socially because I always avoided talking to people. I can't fit in with normies because I can't relate to them and can't join in on most normie conversations.

My recommendations for NTmaxxing are:

• Avoid texting people and prioritise talking to people face to face. Messaging on this forum is going to make you less NT.
• Method acting classes so you can fraud NT-ness. If you get good enough at it, you can lie your way through NT conversations.
• Research normie trends and activities so you can join normie conversations. If you were in a normie conversation where you knew nothing about the topic, make a note of it and prepare for next time it comes up.
• Take ashwagandha (reduces social anxiety)
• Copy the most normie fashion styles and most normie opinions
• Improve looks so that normies will include you more

I'm also suspicious that drugs might make you more NT, since most normies take drugs. Nicotine has been proven to improve cognitive function: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6018192/

I'm not NT either and I've also done several things (including drugs) that made me seem ''more NT''.
Hell, I even have specific substances I take for certain occasions that crush any anxiety inside of me and make me appear very outwardly confident and competent to normies.

I could even argue that some of these substances might have altered my brain to a small level. However, I still don't have a neurotypical brain wiring in the end and I never will.

I like to use the analogy of the wolf and the dog here. A wolf can hang out with dogs, copy their behaviour, and learn from them, but he's still a wolf at the end of the day.
That's why I advocate for observing NTs for what they are and having protocols in place to deal with them, instead of trying to become like them or converting them to your own ways of thinking.

 

[|Daddy_Zygos|]

It could be, although it's important to realise how you truly feel when you're among other people and stay to yourself, meaning not forcing yourself to be something you're not.
But if you're truly comfortable at heart in these settings and don't do it solely for the sake of socialising then yeah, you should be good.

A good litmus test would be to see if you can enter any social setting without a specific goal or objective, no need to impress others, achieve external validation etc., and still feel at ease simply being there.
If the experience feels natural and fulfilling on its own, that might be a sign you're more aligned with NT social dynamics.
Otherwise, if there’s a constant calculation or a sense of effort, it may suggest the opposite.

yeah that's pretty much it just come natural for me

 

[14717512]

useless thread since everyone here is nt

 

[mogtivism]

i used to be a pretty nt guy before blackpill. i would make funny jokes and crack people, be friendly with almost everyone, try to force myself into the cool kids group in the class and i would get nothing in return because of my looks.

after acknowledging that i am ugly, i started to talk a lot less in school if never, i gave up on trying to make friends, embraced being a loner because i had to.

NT is not just a state of mind, its the sum of the past positive and negative feedbacks you got from people through the social interactions.



At the end looks are all that matters.

an ugly man can say the same thing as a good looking one and people will take it completely differently. Your looks are the most important thing in life,

 

[mogtivism]

I would also argue that if you're planning to hide certain characteristics from others that are inherent to you, you're only setting yourself up for failure in the long run, especially when it comes to dating/finding a long-term partner.

People should aim for their looksmatch in terms of physical appearance, but I will argue that it is just as important to find someone with more or less a similar brain/neurological wiring because otherwise, the relationship will not last.

I would much rather get with a neurotypical former cheerleader giga-NT bimbo than an autistic engineer femcel.

since looks and conformity with social norms are the things that matter the most for reproductive success, it benefits your offspring far more for them to be neurotypical and simple minded rather than Non-NT and smart.

I’ve been fake with pretty much 80% the people around me, and it’s all good. Adding a few more to the list wouldn’t impact me.

 

[New Poster]

This is just a 2000 word essay about why OP thinks he’s special for being an anti-vaxxer. I’m surprised he didn’t use the word “sheeple” in here tbh.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

• Big-picture thinking: Neurodivergents often analyse situations holistically, considering far-reaching implications and multi-layered outcomes.

It is literally the opposite, autists get stuck into detail and fail to see the big picture.
Whole description of NTs and aspies is completely wrong in this thread and based on PSL stereotypes and not reality.
Anyway, very few people here are actually autistic, and you can usually tell those who are just by their writting style.

 

[klip11]

Understanding neurotypicals and neurodivergents​

It has been a while since I last created a high-effort thread, but I felt compelled to write this one as this myth of ‘’NTmaxxing’’ needs to die out.
To preface, this thread is not an attack on those who preach about the supposed "importance" of being neurotypical. Instead, it aims to dismantle misconceptions that one can magically "become" neurotypical through superficial strategies or behavioural changes.
The neurological wiring of any individual is SET IN STONE and cannot be altered through actions. This thread will explore the differences between neurotypicals and neurodivergents and delve into the cognitive and cultural dynamics that highlight why NTmaxxing is a flawed pursuit.

What are neurotypical people?
View attachment 3402557
Within neurodiversity, neurotypicals (NTs, also colloquially referred to as normies) are individuals whose neurological wiring aligns with societal norms, enabling them to function smoothly in structured environments. They represent the overwhelming majority of the population in any given context. Neurotypicals excel at adhering to the status quo (irrespective of what that may be), hierarchies, and social cues.

Characteristics:

• Hierarchical nature: NTs operate within pyramid-like social systems, where rank, authority, and power balances dominate social and workplace dynamics.
• Mental shortsightedness: Their thought processes focus on immediate and tangible concerns. Abstract, long-term, or large-scale consequences often fall outside their scope of consideration.
• Blind social conformity: NTs thrive on shared norms, valuing harmony and predictability over critical evaluation or innovation.

Example:
Consider their stance on the COVID-19 vaccines, a few years ago.
NTs all rushed to take it, citing the immediate benefits of taking the jab: being able to travel and go to gyms, restaurants, clubs etc. without even considering the long-term ramifications and/or the damage that these experimental and unproven vaccines could end up doing to their bodies.
This reflects an inability and/or unwillingness to think beyond their immediate needs and scope.


What are neurodivergent people?
View attachment 3402559
Within neurodiversity, neurodivergents (NDs) include those with a wide range of atypical neurological traits or conditions. This group spans individuals with autism, ADHD, and other "non-standard" ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Neurodivergents often demonstrate exceptional creativity, analytical abilities, and a propensity for groundbreaking innovation.

Characteristics:

• Big-picture thinking: Neurodivergents often analyse situations holistically, considering far-reaching implications and multi-layered outcomes.
• Innovation and creativity: They are disproportionately represented among inventors and pioneers of revolutionary ideas and technologies.
• Struggle with norms: Their divergence from societal norms can create friction, particularly in structured, hierarchical environments.

Example:
Going back to the COVID-19 vaccines, the neurodivergent approach was vastly different: NDs approached it with far more caution, scrutinizing the lack of long-term data and the unprecedented speed of its development.
This reflects their tendency toward analytical thinking and prioritizing potential future risks over immediate benefits. While this scepticism may seem overly cautious to NTs, it stems from a focus on broader implications and a need for a more thorough understanding before acting.

Spoiler: Another example

There are a lot of substances that are known to cause cancer that we could do very well without like glues, construction materials, and other stuff like that that we have perfectly viable alternatives for, but that are also still produced and used by the millions gladly by NTs.
And if you're going to tell them about the dangers and propose them alternatives, in general, they'll just laugh it off and say you're crazy. They just won't do what should be done.

There are so many large-scale common problems for which the solutions are already there and that the NTs just aren't interested in applying because they fall outside of the consensus.

Within any given society, there's always a dynamic at play whereby a part of humanity is able to understand and invent technologies that the other part cannot understand. Most inventors are not normal/NT people, but rather NDs.
For instance, take pesticides. The chemists who invent pesticides can identify most of the effects they will have on a wide variety on things, not just on pests.

Biologists can also understand the effects, but the NTs cannot. The NT goes to the shop, wants something that kills the bugs, and then sprays it on the crops.
They will not think, and even if they do think about it, will not understand the wider implications of applying pesticides such as health risks and the negative impact it will have on the rest of the ecosystem.

Why NTmaxxing is a myth
Now that we’ve established the basic framework let’s extrapolate this further, using the forum as a case study.

If you’re on this forum, especially if you've been here for a prolonged period, it’s safe to conclude that you are NOT neurotypical and NEVER will be.
The very existence of these spaces, a form of "neurodivergent social media", arises because traditional social media platforms often fail to resonate with ND thought processes.
Yet, many users desperately cling to the belief that they can somehow transform into NTs through external means like "NTmaxxing"
But this belief misunderstands the very essence of ND and NT cognitive styles.

Just think about it, the very idea of a ''blackpilled'' community does NOT stem from NT minds and their subsequent wiring but instead, stems from ND minds since they view the world on a different level
The same principle could be applied to the redpill , as it also niche and falls beyond the scope of conventional, neurotypical wiring

Additionally, a trait that is highly common in these places, is the rigid adherence to the continuously perpetuated systems, rules and guidelines that operate with the PSL sphere rules and guidelines.
A behaviour commonly associated with individuals on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402617
Neurodivergent individuals, particularly those with autism, are also prone to viewing the world in black-and-white terms.
This binary mode of thinking manifests in a failure to recognize nuance since in reality, there will also be shades of grey.
For example, many users here dismissively categorize traits or strategies as either entirely good or entirely bad.

Coincidentally, only half of the users who participated in the Looksmax.org 2024 survey were able to confirm that they are not on the autism spectrum:
View attachment 3402651

The forum survey also revealed that 8.2% of the participants confirmed they are on the autism spectrum, a figure that is approximately 192.86% higher than the 2.8% prevalence rate observed in the United States, the largest demographic contributor to the forum.
Globally, this percentage is 720% higher than the 1% global prevalence rate:
View attachment 3402661

To further illustrate this, they will oversimplify concepts, declaring:

• ''blue eyes good, brown eyes bad''
• ''jaw is law/eyes are the price’’
• ‘’6’3 or below is manlet’’

Without understanding the complexities or trade-offs associated with these instances.

This black-and-white thinking can also be applied to behaviour:

• ‘’Just NTmaxx and you will get girls, bro’’

Ironically, these individuals often adopt their own specialized terminology and engage in nihilistic discourse - behaviours that further alienate them from mainstream society - despite their stated desire to become neurotypical, wanting to fit in and coming up with their theories on how all of this could work out simultaneously through ''NTmaxxing'' (JFL)

Rather than striving to become something that you're not, you would unironically be better off embracing your unique strengths.


Bottomline: genetic determinism
Neurodivergence is not a choice. It stems from deeply rooted neurological differences that manifest as introspection, introversion, and even melancholia (all very common here). Historically, these traits were adaptive, providing unique insights and roles in cooperative communities.
But today, in a hyper-conformist and individualistic world, these traits often seem maladaptive. As society shifts toward rewarding sociability and immediate gratification, ND traits - like long-term thinking - are increasingly undervalued.

Despite the challenges posed by modern society, NDs can thrive by building systems suited to their cognitive styles and leveraging their strengths rather than striving to emulate NTs. To do this, you must understand and accept NTs as they are
Conversely to trying to emulate NTs, the other major mistake NDs will make is to project their desires, values, and ways of thinking onto NTs.
Neurotypicals are not going to change because you want them to, nor are they equipped to think beyond their immediate mental horizons. Instead of wishing they were different, neurodivergents must learn to observe neurotypicals objectively - almost like a zoologist studying a different species.
View attachment 3402704

Neurotypicals function in their narrow hierarchical systems and transactional mentalities. Once you accept this as an unchangeable reality, you WILL be able to handle them more effectively and without frustration.

You can’t force neurotypicals to think holistically, but you can learn to work within their systems to achieve better outcomes.
Rather than striving to become something they are not, neurodivergents thrive by embracing their unique strengths and building systems suited to their own cognitive styles, avoiding the pitfalls of black-and-white ideologies
The changing world may appear to marginalize ND traits, but the solution is not to conform to NT norms, nor is to try and change or convert NTs into your way of thinking. Instead, it is to acknowledge and harness the unique value of these traits in ways that align with their intrinsic strengths.

On the morning of November 11, 2018, twenty-five-year-old Jacob Barefield was in the prison canteen with fellow inmates from the "C Dorm." (Doc. # 74 at 22.) Barefield was wearing a yellow wristband designating him to C Dorm. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) Barefield was standing in the canteen's snack-line when another inmate, Larry Lowe, approached him. (Doc. # 74 at 22.) Lowe was wearing a teal wristband designating him to the "F Dorm" where high-risk of violence inmates are assigned. (Doc. # 74 at 22.) F Dorm residents, like Lowe, should not have been allowed in the canteen with C Dorm residents. (Doc. # 74 at 22.) But Lowe was there.
Lowe approached Barefield in the snack line, showed Barefield a knife that he held at his waist, and forced Barefield to follow him. (Doc. # 74 at 22.) No guards witnessed this abduction because no guards were in the canteen at the time, despite dozens of inmates from various housing units being present. (Doc. # 74 at 23.)
Unsupervised, Lowe forced Barefield out of the canteen and into the prison yard. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) Lowe forced Barefield through the prison yard, past many buildings, and toward the entrance of the F Dorm. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) Despite Ventress policies requiring guards to be stationed between the canteen and F Dorm, Lowe and Barefield did not pass a single guard during the walk. (Doc. # 74 at 23.)
Once at the F Dorm entryway, Lowe opened the door and forced Barefield into the dormitory. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) The door was supposed to be locked, but it was not. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) A guard was supposed to be at the door checking wristband colors and stopping non-F Dorm residents from entering, but the officer did not. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) Instead, Lowe was able to simply open the front door and force Barefield—who was not authorized to enter F Dorm—inside.
The F Dorm houses approximately 100 high-risk inmates in a single open-room environment. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) Once inside the open-bay dorm, Lowe forced Barefield to a lower bunkbed at the back of the unit. (Doc. # 74 at 23.) Sheets and blankets hung from the upper bunk to create a "tent" that covered the lower bunk and prevented anyone from seeing what happened inside. (Doc. # 74 at 23-24.) These makeshift tents are against Ventress policy. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) But Barefield was forced into one at knifepoint.
A nearby TV's volume was turned all the way up. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) Outside the tent, Lowe told another inmate that he was "going to show him how to take control of another inmate." (Doc. # 74 at 24.) Lowe then got into the tent. There, in the middle of the morning, in a violent offender's dorm that Barefield should never have been allowed to enter, in a crowded area that should have been supervised by a guard, in a makeshift tent that should have been immediately taken down, using a knife that should have been confiscated, Larry Lowe raped Jacob Barefield. (Doc. # 74 at 24.)
Lowe pulled down his pants and forced his penis into Barefield's mouth. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) When Barefield did not cooperate to Lowe's liking, Lowe pressed his knife to Barefield's side. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) Lowe forced Barefield to lie down. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) Lowe then pulled Barefield's pants down, put shaving cream in Barefield's rectum, and anally raped him. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) All the while, Lowe kept the knife pressed to Barefield's side. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) The TV drowned out any cries. (Doc. # 74 at 24.) Lowe's gangmate waited outside the tent.

 

[FacialStructure404]

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[whitebitchslayer]

did bro pin his own thread

 

[hypernormie]

Recently came to the same conclusion

 

[justloljustlmao]

Having to force any type of behavior = ND.

NT don't have to try to act any sort of way, everything is natural to them.

 

[Charles the Fat]

Great thread bhai, I’ll find the time to read it all once. You put into words what I exactly think when people say NT is cope. (What I mean by NT in what I am writing now is usually in reference to autism).

If anything I am a perfect example of how neurodivergency and socially debiliating autism is a thing, because I am not in any way hindered by my looks. But still I never fit in no matter how hard I tried, couldn’t make friends or connections, and I was always the third wheel that no one preferred. I also am obsessed with the few interests I have. I am fundamentally different because I know it, and I got diagnosed by a group of different psychiatrists after I dropped out of middle school because I developed social anxiety because I couldn’t make any new friends there. This difference is something I have experienced all throughout my life without being able to do anything about it. Otherwise I wouldn’t be without even a single aquaintance my age in my local area, because it is such a highly unusual thing overall no matter who you are. Even some autists have friends, that’s how different I feel. I never was able to learn social cues, rules and hierarchies, because none of it never made any sense to me, while for NTs it comes naturally, and even the nerds of the NTs form their own groups. Which leaves out the ND weirdo’s like me to not be part of any group.

But as for "NT-maxxing", lots of users have varying definitions of what it means to be "NT" and to "NT-maxx". Some will just say it’s about fitting in, wearing the latest fashionable drip, using the newer iPhone models, trendy hairstyles, etc, (I do all this and I’m still a weirdo with 0 friends and even though I dress trendy and NT, I read about history and nerdy fantasy shit and listen to folk music 24/7, even though I wear white shoes, baggy pants, curtains hair, etc).

Others will say it’s the ability to socialize. And while autism does greatly affect social abilities, NTs can also develop social anxiety and the like. However, if you have social anxiety, you should seek treatment for it. If you can’t socialize, even though you have tried, you should also get checked, because that shit is NOT normal. Socializing is something that comes naturally to a large majority of human population while growing up. If you fail at that even though you had every opportunity to succeed and be good at socializing and fit in with your peers (like me), there is definitely something wrong with you.

It’s also entirely possible to mask and try to fit in as much as possible, but if you have a neurological discrepancy in your brain (such as autism or ADHD), you will forever have a brain that is wired differently, and you’ll be forever at a disadvantage because of it. For some it is a complete handicap if it’s severe/low functioning (such as autistic James). Though if you do manage to mask, you should remember it’s still not really you. There’s a good British TV-show about this, "Inside Our Autistic Minds", by Chris Packham (who was legit Chadlite when young) who is also diagnosed with autism.

As for why an NT would develop social anxiety could be because of factors relating to belonging to the wrong "caste" or social group of the NTs (i.e. the nerds), their looks, their social standing and wealth, physical disabilities, etc. There’s many different factors that come into play when we talk about NT and NT-maxxing here, while many also think of many different definitions in relation to those things.

 

[Charles the Fat]

We should also remember there are different types of ND. Like ADHD, if you are lucky you got the hyperactive type, it will be easy to make friends, since you are always chuckling like a chicken 24/7 and can’t keep your mouth shut, like a sober drunkard.. Or dyslexia; Doesn’t delibiate you in your ability to make friends in any way, just makes writing and reading harder.

Unfortunately, I got both autism and ADHD, though not the hyperactive ADHD, but rather the low concentration and executive dysfunction one.

 

[omnilegent]

Tldr autism will never leave you

 

[castizo_ascender]

Sure, i can take a look

I sent in pms

 

[castizo_ascender]

We should also remember there are different types of ND. Like ADHD, if you are lucky you got the hyperactive type, it will be easy to make friends, since you are always chuckling like a chicken 24/7 and can’t keep your mouth shut, like a sober drunkard.. Or dyslexia; Doesn’t delibiate you in your ability to make friends in any way, just makes writing and reading harder.

Unfortunately, I got both autism and ADHD, though not the hyperactive ADHD, but rather the low concentration and executive dysfunction one.

might count schizos as nd too ngl

 

[Gargantuan]

Great thread bhai, I’ll find the time to read it all once. You put into words what I exactly think when people say NT is cope. (What I mean by NT in what I am writing now is usually in reference to autism).

If anything I am a perfect example of how neurodivergency and socially debiliating autism is a thing, because I am not in any way hindered by my looks. But still I never fit in no matter how hard I tried, couldn’t make friends or connections, and I was always the third wheel that no one preferred. I also am obsessed with the few interests I have. I am fundamentally different because I know it, and I got diagnosed by a group of different psychiatrists after I dropped out of middle school because I developed social anxiety because I couldn’t make any new friends there. This difference is something I have experienced all throughout my life without being able to do anything about it. Otherwise I wouldn’t be without even a single aquaintance my age in my local area, because it is such a highly unusual thing overall no matter who you are. Even some autists have friends, that’s how different I feel. I never was able to learn social cues, rules and hierarchies, because none of it never made any sense to me, while for NTs it comes naturally, and even the nerds of the NTs form their own groups. Which leaves out the ND weirdo’s like me to not be part of any group.

But as for "NT-maxxing", lots of users have varying definitions of what it means to be "NT" and to "NT-maxx". Some will just say it’s about fitting in, wearing the latest fashionable drip, using the newer iPhone models, trendy hairstyles, etc, (I do all this and I’m still a weirdo with 0 friends and even though I dress trendy and NT, I read about history and nerdy fantasy shit and listen to folk music 24/7, even though I wear white shoes, baggy pants, curtains hair, etc).

Others will say it’s the ability to socialize. And while autism does greatly affect social abilities, NTs can also develop social anxiety and the like. However, if you have social anxiety, you should seek treatment for it. If you can’t socialize, even though you have tried, you should also get checked, because that shit is NOT normal. Socializing is something that comes naturally to a large majority of human population while growing up. If you fail at that even though you had every opportunity to succeed and be good at socializing and fit in with your peers (like me), there is definitely something wrong with you.

It’s also entirely possible to mask and try to fit in as much as possible, but if you have a neurological discrepancy in your brain (such as autism or ADHD), you will forever have a brain that is wired differently, and you’ll be forever at a disadvantage because of it. For some it is a complete handicap if it’s severe/low functioning (such as autistic James). Though if you do manage to mask, you should remember it’s still not really you. There’s a good British TV-show about this, "Inside Our Autistic Minds", by Chris Packham (who was legit Chadlite when young) who is also diagnosed with autism.

As for why an NT would develop social anxiety could be because of factors relating to belonging to the wrong "caste" or social group of the NTs (i.e. the nerds), their looks, their social standing and wealth, physical disabilities, etc. There’s many different factors that come into play when we talk about NT and NT-maxxing here, while many also think of many different definitions in relation to those things.

Appreciate your insights, bro.

It's interesting that you brought up social anxiety because what I also realised is that most people who do not suffer from social anxiety are actually anxiously social. This means that they act extremely sociable, more than what's agreeable to them and often act more sociable than the situation they're in requires them to be as well.
These people will accept invitations to parties, for example, even if they don't feel like going. Once there, they will try to interact with everyone constantly in a manner that can only be described as insincere.
This is how most social interactions go with people they are not close friends with and they are anxiously doing this. They will also be upset and stressed if there's a party/gathering planned and they're not invited or if they are invited but can't make it for whatever reason.

So, in the end, everybody has a kind of social anxiety apart from actual psychopaths. The only difference is that some resolve it by seeking out solitude whereas others will try and cope with it through being anxiously social. Which, when you think about it, is just as anxious as social anxiety.
The only difference is that it materializes itself in extremely social behaviour, but it's superficial and still, just as anxious in the end.

Years ago I also kept wondering how normies manage to NTmaxx so easily but now I have realised that it comes naturally to them due to their inherently different brain structures.
It's actually an interesting dynamic that you cannot teach NDs NT behaviour but, at the same time, NTs cannot be taught/understand how the world around them actually works (which NDs usually do tend to understand) as they will display severe cognitive dissonance when you try to explain stuff them that falls outside of their little bubble. It sometimes makes me wonder if humanity/society would be better off if it got split into 2 separate camps with the NDs forming their own parallel society (if such a thing is even possible lol).

 

[Zenis]

Understanding neurotypicals and neurodivergents​

It has been a while since I last created a high-effort thread, but I felt compelled to write this one as this myth of ‘’NTmaxxing’’ needs to die out.
To preface, this thread is not an attack on those who preach about the supposed "importance" of being neurotypical. Instead, it aims to dismantle misconceptions that one can magically "become" neurotypical through superficial strategies or behavioural changes.
The neurological wiring of any individual is SET IN STONE and cannot be altered through actions. This thread will explore the differences between neurotypicals and neurodivergents and delve into the cognitive and cultural dynamics that highlight why NTmaxxing is a flawed pursuit.

What are neurotypical people?
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Within neurodiversity, neurotypicals (NTs, also colloquially referred to as normies) are individuals whose neurological wiring aligns with societal norms, enabling them to function smoothly in structured environments. They represent the overwhelming majority of the population in any given context. Neurotypicals excel at adhering to the status quo (irrespective of what that may be), hierarchies, and social cues.

Characteristics:

• Hierarchical nature: NTs operate within pyramid-like social systems, where rank, authority, and power balances dominate social and workplace dynamics.
• Mental shortsightedness: Their thought processes focus on immediate and tangible concerns. Abstract, long-term, or large-scale consequences often fall outside their scope of consideration.
• Blind social conformity: NTs thrive on shared norms, valuing harmony and predictability over critical evaluation or innovation.

Example:
Consider their stance on the COVID-19 vaccines, a few years ago.
NTs all rushed to take it, citing the immediate benefits of taking the jab: being able to travel and go to gyms, restaurants, clubs etc. without even considering the long-term ramifications and/or the damage that these experimental and unproven vaccines could end up doing to their bodies.
This reflects an inability and/or unwillingness to think beyond their immediate needs and scope.


What are neurodivergent people?
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Within neurodiversity, neurodivergents (NDs) include those with a wide range of atypical neurological traits or conditions. This group spans individuals with autism, ADHD, and other "non-standard" ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Neurodivergents often demonstrate exceptional creativity, analytical abilities, and a propensity for groundbreaking innovation.

Characteristics:

• Big-picture thinking: Neurodivergents often analyse situations holistically, considering far-reaching implications and multi-layered outcomes.
• Innovation and creativity: They are disproportionately represented among inventors and pioneers of revolutionary ideas and technologies.
• Struggle with norms: Their divergence from societal norms can create friction, particularly in structured, hierarchical environments.

Example:
Going back to the COVID-19 vaccines, the neurodivergent approach was vastly different: NDs approached it with far more caution, scrutinizing the lack of long-term data and the unprecedented speed of its development.
This reflects their tendency toward analytical thinking and prioritizing potential future risks over immediate benefits. While this scepticism may seem overly cautious to NTs, it stems from a focus on broader implications and a need for a more thorough understanding before acting.

Spoiler: Another example

There are a lot of substances that are known to cause cancer that we could do very well without like glues, construction materials, and other stuff like that that we have perfectly viable alternatives for, but that are also still produced and used by the millions gladly by NTs.
And if you're going to tell them about the dangers and propose them alternatives, in general, they'll just laugh it off and say you're crazy. They just won't do what should be done.

There are so many large-scale common problems for which the solutions are already there and that the NTs just aren't interested in applying because they fall outside of the consensus.

Within any given society, there's always a dynamic at play whereby a part of humanity is able to understand and invent technologies that the other part cannot understand. Most inventors are not normal/NT people, but rather NDs.
For instance, take pesticides. The chemists who invent pesticides can identify most of the effects they will have on a wide variety on things, not just on pests.

Biologists can also understand the effects, but the NTs cannot. The NT goes to the shop, wants something that kills the bugs, and then sprays it on the crops.
They will not think, and even if they do think about it, will not understand the wider implications of applying pesticides such as health risks and the negative impact it will have on the rest of the ecosystem.

Why NTmaxxing is a myth
Now that we’ve established the basic framework let’s extrapolate this further, using the forum as a case study.

If you’re on this forum, especially if you've been here for a prolonged period, it’s safe to conclude that you are NOT neurotypical and NEVER will be.
The very existence of these spaces, a form of "neurodivergent social media", arises because traditional social media platforms often fail to resonate with ND thought processes.
Yet, many users desperately cling to the belief that they can somehow transform into NTs through external means like "NTmaxxing"
But this belief misunderstands the very essence of ND and NT cognitive styles.

Just think about it, the very idea of a ''blackpilled'' community does NOT stem from NT minds and their subsequent wiring but instead, stems from ND minds since they view the world on a different level
The same principle could be applied to the redpill , as it also niche and falls beyond the scope of conventional, neurotypical wiring

Additionally, a trait that is highly common in these places, is the rigid adherence to the continuously perpetuated systems, rules and guidelines that operate with the PSL sphere rules and guidelines.
A behaviour commonly associated with individuals on the autism spectrum:
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Neurodivergent individuals, particularly those with autism, are also prone to viewing the world in black-and-white terms.
This binary mode of thinking manifests in a failure to recognize nuance since in reality, there will also be shades of grey.
For example, many users here dismissively categorize traits or strategies as either entirely good or entirely bad.

Coincidentally, only half of the users who participated in the Looksmax.org 2024 survey were able to confirm that they are not on the autism spectrum:
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The forum survey also revealed that 8.2% of the participants confirmed they are on the autism spectrum, a figure that is approximately 192.86% higher than the 2.8% prevalence rate observed in the United States, the largest demographic contributor to the forum.
Globally, this percentage is 720% higher than the 1% global prevalence rate:
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To further illustrate this, they will oversimplify concepts, declaring:

• ''blue eyes good, brown eyes bad''
• ''jaw is law/eyes are the price’’
• ‘’6’3 or below is manlet’’

Without understanding the complexities or trade-offs associated with these instances.

This black-and-white thinking can also be applied to behaviour:

• ‘’Just NTmaxx and you will get girls, bro’’

Ironically, these individuals often adopt their own specialized terminology and engage in nihilistic discourse - behaviours that further alienate them from mainstream society - despite their stated desire to become neurotypical, wanting to fit in and coming up with their theories on how all of this could work out simultaneously through ''NTmaxxing'' (JFL)

Rather than striving to become something that you're not, you would unironically be better off embracing your unique strengths.


Bottomline: genetic determinism
Neurodivergence is not a choice. It stems from deeply rooted neurological differences that manifest as introspection, introversion, and even melancholia (all very common here). Historically, these traits were adaptive, providing unique insights and roles in cooperative communities.
But today, in a hyper-conformist and individualistic world, these traits often seem maladaptive. As society shifts toward rewarding sociability and immediate gratification, ND traits - like long-term thinking - are increasingly undervalued.

Despite the challenges posed by modern society, NDs can thrive by building systems suited to their cognitive styles and leveraging their strengths rather than striving to emulate NTs. To do this, you must understand and accept NTs as they are
Conversely to trying to emulate NTs, the other major mistake NDs will make is to project their desires, values, and ways of thinking onto NTs.
Neurotypicals are not going to change because you want them to, nor are they equipped to think beyond their immediate mental horizons. Instead of wishing they were different, neurodivergents must learn to observe neurotypicals objectively - almost like a zoologist studying a different species.
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Neurotypicals function in their narrow hierarchical systems and transactional mentalities. Once you accept this as an unchangeable reality, you WILL be able to handle them more effectively and without frustration.

You can’t force neurotypicals to think holistically, but you can learn to work within their systems to achieve better outcomes.
Rather than striving to become something they are not, neurodivergents thrive by embracing their unique strengths and building systems suited to their own cognitive styles, avoiding the pitfalls of black-and-white ideologies
The changing world may appear to marginalize ND traits, but the solution is not to conform to NT norms, nor is to try and change or convert NTs into your way of thinking. Instead, it is to acknowledge and harness the unique value of these traits in ways that align with their intrinsic strengths.

Obvious post, brain chemsitry is impossible to change, even more then looks