The obsession about DHT needs to end

All these wannabe apex kids needing to blast roids to feel sufficient or like a men.

You are no true alpha male if you needed incredible amounts of exogenous steroids to achieve being somewhat similar to an actual alpha male.
Who cares its fun + u can get positive side effects and ur bodies resilient to the negatives when ur young.
 
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wait till you find out dht has different effects on rats, you probably hope i dont know this since u thrive in scientific ignorance of this site

retards get impressed with 30 lines of text that pragmatically equals to nothing
I already know this im not a retard like u unc animal models arent perfect but theyre better than nothing, and even tho its not 1:1 it does support it to some extent
 
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u still dont get it, or you are pretending
Ok so
1. U ignore all my points
2. U say nothing to defend urself
3. When i do debunk ur points u ignore them
4. I clearly replied to u just now and what i said made sense, what do i not get?

This isnt a debate im arguing with a moronic child
 
I already know this im not a retard like u unc animal models arent perfect but theyre better than nothing, and even tho its not 1:1 it does support it to some extent
why do you keep calling me unc you fucking nigger i am 18 years old

but unlike you fucking basement philosophers i have life experience and pragmatism
 
you are literally acting retarded at this point

or you are this braindead you dont understand
Ur simply wrong lol? Instead of calling me retarded prove that im wrong? Lemme guess u cant because im right
 
The androgens that give u solid male characteristics during puberty are t and dht. Test and DHT are the most androgenic steroids disregarding tren which will shut you down terribly and potentially cause worse side effects than solely DHT. Pls correct me.

@sb23 @NZb6Air @wastedspermcel @MA_ascender @moreplatesmoreweigh @20/04/2008
You need hgh aswell. It acts very well on your skull as you see in most tall ppl
 
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why do you keep calling me unc you fucking nigger i am 18 years old

but unlike you fucking basement philosophers i have life experience and pragmatism
U dont know what pragmatism is because theres no way u think ignoring all my points and calling me retarded and a nigger without proving how im wrong is pragmatic unc

Unlike u im bouta go to a party in 30 minutes and fuck tn what r u gonna do? Sit here and keep replying to me lol
 
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Ur simply wrong lol? Instead of calling me retarded prove that im wrong? Lemme guess u cant because im right
HAHAH YOU POSTED A FUCKING RAT STUDY YOU FUCKING RETARD PLEASE KILL YOURSELF INSTANTLY

AND THEN U SAID THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH IT HAHAHAHAHAH

obivously u only said that its not pefect after i told u that it has different effect, best part is you already knew it

you are like a fucking hyena feasting on retardedness of these people
 
Unlike u im bouta go to a party in 30 minutes and fuck tn what r u gonna do? Sit here and keep replying to me lol
lol nigger please arent you like 5'7?
 
HAHAH YOU POSTED A FUCKING RAT STUDY YOU FUCKING RETARD PLEASE KILL YOURSELF INSTANTLY

AND THEN U SAID THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH IT HAHAHAHAHAH

obivously u only said that after i told u that it has different effect, best part is you already knew it

you are like a fucking hyena feasting on retardedness of these people
As i said the rat study bolsters the evidence isn’t necessary evidence itself
 
8x6 lol nigger arent u 4 inches
no nigger in fact i am 7 inches and 6'3, thank god i am not a manlet. in fact dick is so cope i would trade another 2 inches of height for 2 inches of dick
 
no nigger in fact i am 7 inches and 6'3, thank god i am not a manlet. in fact dick is so cope i would trade another 2 inches of height for 2 inches of dick
6’3 with ur face? 💀
 
my face mogs tbh, u dont seem like a schizo retard we could exchange pics
Cant risk leaking my face on here, just say ur average face score u get
 
i understand nigger

what the fuck even is that? or do u think im retarded enough to send my face here?
Like ltn mtn htn etc, im finna hed out tho got get the huzz wish me luck
 
Dht is usseles
 
I mean if u get MPB u can use fin i js didnt bother to elaborate since its rare in puberty

Yeh not that rare for caucus adultd

?????
Its 5-10 times more potent than test cause of non aromatizable interaction with ARs in the urogenital tract, larynx, sebaceous glands, and osteoblasts in puberty SRD5A2 converts test to DHT in high concentrations then starts AR driven transcription of genes responsible for urogenital morphogenesis causing penis growth also in sebaceous glands it activates the MAPK/ERK signaling paths causes sebocyte differentiation and hyperplasia which relates with the onset of pubertal acne, AR mediated activation of the Wnt/B-catenin path within hair follicles cause terminal differentiation of hair into androgen sensitive regions affects mandibular beard region and thoracic hair which test on its own would fail to cause without the boost from DHT. Also DHT in bone development interacts with Runx2 transcription factors to cause the endochondral ossification of the mandibular condyles and maxillary processes thickening and angular projection of ur jawline, which everyone on here should know is important for male sexual dimorphism and this heightened androgenic activity boosts development of laryngeal prominence and subsequent laryngeal cartilage growth, which deepens ur voice thru DHT hypertrophy of the thyroarytenoid muscles in the larynx, thats the almight affect? Whyd u get so pissed at me dawg whatd i do to u 🤦‍♂️
It's 9898 btw, I had my name changed. @halloweed

My point is that people should be focusing on actual anabolic steroids as opposed to solely androgenic ones like DHT. Trenbolone and trestolone, for example, are both DISGUSTINGLY anabolic and simultaneously more (debatable for tren) androgenic than DHT.

Trestolone is probably the most androgenic steroid I've ever used. Was essentially sweating oil at low dosages. Poisonous shit.
 
I mean if u get MPB u can use fin i js didnt bother to elaborate since its rare in puberty

Yeh not that rare for caucus adultd

?????
Its 5-10 times more potent than test cause of non aromatizable interaction with ARs in the urogenital tract, larynx, sebaceous glands, and osteoblasts in puberty SRD5A2 converts test to DHT in high concentrations then starts AR driven transcription of genes responsible for urogenital morphogenesis causing penis growth also in sebaceous glands it activates the MAPK/ERK signaling paths causes sebocyte differentiation and hyperplasia which relates with the onset of pubertal acne, AR mediated activation of the Wnt/B-catenin path within hair follicles cause terminal differentiation of hair into androgen sensitive regions affects mandibular beard region and thoracic hair which test on its own would fail to cause without the boost from DHT. Also DHT in bone development interacts with Runx2 transcription factors to cause the endochondral ossification of the mandibular condyles and maxillary processes thickening and angular projection of ur jawline, which everyone on here should know is important for male sexual dimorphism and this heightened androgenic activity boosts development of laryngeal prominence and subsequent laryngeal cartilage growth, which deepens ur voice thru DHT hypertrophy of the thyroarytenoid muscles in the larynx, thats the almight affect? Whyd u get so pissed at me dawg whatd i do to u 🤦‍♂️
Doesn't matter how much more potent it is if it's a paracrine hormone (only exerts it's effects where it is produced and that is the scalp, skin and prostate)
 
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Doesn't matter how much more potent it is if it's a paracrine hormone (only exerts it's effects where it is produced and that is the scalp, skin and prostate)
It being paracrine doesnt confine it, “relating to or denoting a hormone which has effect only in the vicinity of the gland secreting it”
Its synthesized in way more androgen sensitive tissues than u said, it acts locally within the urogenital tract also it affects skeletal maturation since it interacts with osteoblasts, affects the larynx, and lack of it in 5-ar deficiency as i told the other guy causes ambiguous genitalia
 
It being paracrine doesnt confine it, “relating to or denoting a hormone which has effect only in the vicinity of the gland secreting it”
Its synthesized in way more androgen sensitive tissues than u said, it acts locally within the urogenital tract also it affects skeletal maturation since it interacts with osteoblasts, affects the larynx, and lack of it in 5-ar deficiency as i told the other guy causes ambiguous genitalia
I'd have to check the other 2 but people with a 5ar deficiency have small genitalia until puberty when test takes over and, in most cases, grows them to normal size

There was also no negative difference in body frame and height (if anything the brother without DHT had bigger frame)
 
I'd have to check the other 2 but people with a 5ar deficiency have small genitalia until puberty when test takes over and, in most cases, grows them to normal size
Ppl with 5α-r deficiency still have ambiguous/underdeveloped genitalia at birth, DHT is needed for genital development during fetal growth so even post puberty they genetilia would remain below average
There was also no negative difference in body frame and height (if anything the brother without DHT had bigger frame)
Not frame and height but jawline and brow ridge, the brother having a larger frame is cause of individual variability not the absence of DHT
 
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Ppl with 5α-r deficiency still have ambiguous/underdeveloped genitalia at birth, DHT is needed for genital development during fetal growth so even post puberty they genetilia would remain below average

Not frame and height but jawline and brow ridge, the brother having a larger frame is cause of individual variability not the absence of DHT
I'd have to check the other 2 but people with a 5ar deficiency have small genitalia until puberty when test takes over and, in most cases, grows them to normal size

There was also no negative difference in body frame and height (if anything the brother without DHT had bigger frame)
My position is that DHT is worthless insofar as you aren't in puberty. All it's doing after puberty is cucking your looks.

The unfortunate reality is that removing 5ar entirely is not devoid of it's own set of consequences irrespective of dht inhibiton. 5a-dihydroprogesterone and by extension allopregnanolone are both dependent on 5ar. You can get around that issue by using supplemental 5a-dihydroprogesterone probably.

If you are in puberty is it worthless insofar as you have the desire to experiment with androgens. MENT & Tren are far more androgenic and they're actually active in muscle tissue unlike dihydromemeosterone,
 
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It really depends on your genetics but it seems my skin and hair are very sensitive to DHT. I did isotretinoin for almost 8 months but I was still getting little breakouts here and there. It wasn't until I introduced dutasteride that all my acne faded completely.

I think what happened is I permanently changed the histology of my skin (sebaceous gland apoptosis) and now I'm maintaining that with dutasteride by inhibiting the hypertrophy of the remaining sebaceous glands.

Take aromasin then. Proviron is quite literally the most worthless steroid ever created.
You seem to have a wide knowledge of the hormonal profile, can you help me with a doubt, years ago I injected testosterone enanthate, 250mg x ml, I had to stop it after a week, due to the insomnia and tachycardia it gave me, months later I started to develop cholinergic urticaria, basically I would get hot flashes out of nowhere, I had to stay warm or else I would get itchy attacks all over my skin, I started experimenting with trial and error and finally I realized that exercising along with a balanced diet free of processed foods was the only thing that could alleviate the urticaria. Do you think this picture is related to the fact that I injected testosterone, and did it produce any change in my sweat glands?
 
You seem to have a wide knowledge of the hormonal profile, can you help me with a doubt, years ago I injected testosterone enanthate, 250mg x ml, I had to stop it after a week, due to the insomnia and tachycardia it gave me, months later I started to develop cholinergic urticaria, basically I would get hot flashes out of nowhere, I had to stay warm or else I would get itchy attacks all over my skin, I started experimenting with trial and error and finally I realized that exercising along with a balanced diet free of processed foods was the only thing that could alleviate the urticaria. Do you think this picture is related to the fact that I injected testosterone, and did it produce any change in my sweat glands?
No. There are no permanent changes on testosterone unless you were in puberty.
 
You seem to have a wide knowledge of the hormonal profile, can you help me with a doubt, years ago I injected testosterone enanthate, 250mg x ml, I had to stop it after a week, due to the insomnia and tachycardia it gave me, months later I started to develop cholinergic urticaria, basically I would get hot flashes out of nowhere, I had to stay warm or else I would get itchy attacks all over my skin, I started experimenting with trial and error and finally I realized that exercising along with a balanced diet free of processed foods was the only thing that could alleviate the urticaria. Do you think this picture is related to the fact that I injected testosterone, and did it produce any change in my sweat glands?
Wtf how did you get tachycardia after injecting less than 300mg of test
 
This is cope tho, heavily depends on the individual, if your gabaar rely on allopregnanolone, you're gonna get raped in the ass for 0 reason https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.pneurobio.2013.07.005

I know and agree with the fact DHT is useless but inhibiting 5alpha reductase is more complex than that, it literally has trans-generational https://sci-hub.se/10.3390/ijms22031242 and epigenetic implications https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.jsxm.2021.05.009

Some people literally kill themselves because of PFS https://sci-hub.se/10.1159/000505151 , including a professor of criminology who participated in a finasteride study, so you can't just say : NOOO my neurosterodinos
Explain
 
I've seen a tonne of threads recently regarding "dht gel". DHT is worthless garbage that shouldn't at all exist in your body post puberty.

I can understand the appeal when you're IN puberty but let me tell you, as someone who has been through the wringer (pubertymaxxing) and tried essentially everything, DHT has been the most deleterious thing to my looks.

At 16 I literally bought androstanolone raws (identical dihydrotestosterone) and used DMSO to make a gel. I used it all over my doodle.

My penis GREW maybe a couple of cm in length and an imperceptible amount in girth. But how am I to attribute that to DHT? How can I know for certain that DHT was the sole reason my penis grew? I can't even say that my penis DIDN'T grow from DHT, it's unfalsifable.

My point is, my penis might've just grown to that length/girth regardless of DHT.

I did however, lose my hair and gained the worst acne of my life to which I have ONLY just now gotten under control with accutane and dutasteride (4 years later). I've used steroids on and off during those years but the acne was always persistant no matter what I did. Now that I'm on dutasteride, I haven't seen a single molecule of acne on my face/body (despite using steroids).

DHT is the primary driver of sebaceous gland hypetrophy/aberrant sebaceous gland signalling (AR/IGF1R complex), as 5α-reductase is HIGHLY expressed in sebaceous glands. Obviously it is also the primary androgen responsible for hairloss as it confers a far greater deal of androgenicity than testosterone or even other synthetic AAS.

Inhibiting DHT is honestly one of the biggest looksmaxxes you can do post-puberty. If you're in puberty go crazy and take the most androgenic steroids but don't fuck around with DHT at all, there are far better options than that worthless piece of shit.

You need to consider the risk to reward ratio. I don't consider the potential of bone growth worth the acne and hairloss. Dealing with scars is a behemoth task.

If you want penis growth head over to r/gettingbigger and do PE, don't waste a molecule of time with DHT.
from my experience hgh is cope
and for hormones you will get 90% of the gains aslong your not hypogonadol
the only non cope thing i could say for sure is estrogen low estrogen not crushed just low is the best heighmaxxing dickmaxxing framemaxxing anything related even tho if its cytotoxic
 
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The replies on this thread are so fucking retarded im caging:lul::lul::lul:
 
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I've seen a tonne of threads recently regarding "dht gel". DHT is worthless garbage that shouldn't at all exist in your body post puberty.

I can understand the appeal when you're IN puberty but let me tell you, as someone who has been through the wringer (pubertymaxxing) and tried essentially everything, DHT has been the most deleterious thing to my looks.

At 16 I literally bought androstanolone raws (identical dihydrotestosterone) and used DMSO to make a gel. I used it all over my doodle.

My penis GREW maybe a couple of cm in length and an imperceptible amount in girth. But how am I to attribute that to DHT? How can I know for certain that DHT was the sole reason my penis grew? I can't even say that my penis DIDN'T grow from DHT, it's unfalsifable.

My point is, my penis might've just grown to that length/girth regardless of DHT.

I did however, lose my hair and gained the worst acne of my life to which I have ONLY just now gotten under control with accutane and dutasteride (4 years later). I've used steroids on and off during those years but the acne was always persistant no matter what I did. Now that I'm on dutasteride, I haven't seen a single molecule of acne on my face/body (despite using steroids).

DHT is the primary driver of sebaceous gland hypetrophy/aberrant sebaceous gland signalling (AR/IGF1R complex), as 5α-reductase is HIGHLY expressed in sebaceous glands. Obviously it is also the primary androgen responsible for hairloss as it confers a far greater deal of androgenicity than testosterone or even other synthetic AAS.

Inhibiting DHT is honestly one of the biggest looksmaxxes you can do post-puberty. If you're in puberty go crazy and take the most androgenic steroids but don't fuck around with DHT at all, there are far better options than that worthless piece of shit.

You need to consider the risk to reward ratio. I don't consider the potential of bone growth worth the acne and hairloss. Dealing with scars is a behemoth task.

If you want penis growth head over to r/gettingbigger and do PE, don't waste a molecule of time with DHT.
I've used DHT gel at 18 and it definitely grew my dick
 
in 10-20 days i will start to use test e , hcg, ai,proviron(maybe i wont uss proviron but idk) , gh(if the doctor gives me gh but thet will probably) how much cycle do i need to see changes in my bone structure (turned 15 1 month ago)
You my friend, are retarded
 
Gave up being a übermensch?
 
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quite literally the opposite

Imagine thinking balding + acne looks good JFL
tell me a realistic stack you'd run now if your were 16/17 again
 
tell me a realistic stack you'd run now if your were 16/17 again
Unironically?

I'd probably just blast HGH + trenbolone/trestolone.
 
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Unironically?

I'd probably just blast HGH + trenbolone/trestolone.
I'm 17.4, was for 3 months on 6IU

And now cycled off because off money but I‘ll soon start 10IU

what do you think about the doses?
Higher or lower?

Planed to continue this another 3 months and after that look, maybe even blast till 19, if everything works good
 
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I've seen a tonne of threads recently regarding "dht gel". DHT is worthless garbage that shouldn't at all exist in your body post puberty.

I can understand the appeal when you're IN puberty but let me tell you, as someone who has been through the wringer (pubertymaxxing) and tried essentially everything, DHT has been the most deleterious thing to my looks.

At 16 I literally bought androstanolone raws (identical dihydrotestosterone) and used DMSO to make a gel. I used it all over my doodle.

My penis GREW maybe a couple of cm in length and an imperceptible amount in girth. But how am I to attribute that to DHT? How can I know for certain that DHT was the sole reason my penis grew? I can't even say that my penis DIDN'T grow from DHT, it's unfalsifable.

My point is, my penis might've just grown to that length/girth regardless of DHT.

I did however, lose my hair and gained the worst acne of my life to which I have ONLY just now gotten under control with accutane and dutasteride (4 years later). I've used steroids on and off during those years but the acne was always persistant no matter what I did. Now that I'm on dutasteride, I haven't seen a single molecule of acne on my face/body (despite using steroids).

DHT is the primary driver of sebaceous gland hypetrophy/aberrant sebaceous gland signalling (AR/IGF1R complex), as 5α-reductase is HIGHLY expressed in sebaceous glands. Obviously it is also the primary androgen responsible for hairloss as it confers a far greater deal of androgenicity than testosterone or even other synthetic AAS.

Inhibiting DHT is honestly one of the biggest looksmaxxes you can do post-puberty. If you're in puberty go crazy and take the most androgenic steroids but don't fuck around with DHT at all, there are far better options than that worthless piece of shit.

You need to consider the risk to reward ratio. I don't consider the potential of bone growth worth the acne and hairloss. Dealing with scars is a behemoth task.

If you want penis growth head over to r/gettingbigger and do PE, don't waste a molecule of time with DHT.
Think DHT levels are likely genetically managed in the sense of how much DHT one's body can handle.
Just have high prenatal T i suppose. It's also the hormone that is lower in supply but has the largest influence.
 
are u the og heightmaxxer/pubertymaxxer @Dyorotic ? if so it’s nice to have u back
 
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I've seen a tonne of threads recently regarding "dht gel". DHT is worthless garbage that shouldn't at all exist in your body post puberty.

I can understand the appeal when you're IN puberty but let me tell you, as someone who has been through the wringer (pubertymaxxing) and tried essentially everything, DHT has been the most deleterious thing to my looks.

At 16 I literally bought androstanolone raws (identical dihydrotestosterone) and used DMSO to make a gel. I used it all over my doodle.

My penis GREW maybe a couple of cm in length and an imperceptible amount in girth. But how am I to attribute that to DHT? How can I know for certain that DHT was the sole reason my penis grew? I can't even say that my penis DIDN'T grow from DHT, it's unfalsifable.

My point is, my penis might've just grown to that length/girth regardless of DHT.

I did however, lose my hair and gained the worst acne of my life to which I have ONLY just now gotten under control with accutane and dutasteride (4 years later). I've used steroids on and off during those years but the acne was always persistant no matter what I did. Now that I'm on dutasteride, I haven't seen a single molecule of acne on my face/body (despite using steroids).

DHT is the primary driver of sebaceous gland hypetrophy/aberrant sebaceous gland signalling (AR/IGF1R complex), as 5α-reductase is HIGHLY expressed in sebaceous glands. Obviously it is also the primary androgen responsible for hairloss as it confers a far greater deal of androgenicity than testosterone or even other synthetic AAS.

Inhibiting DHT is honestly one of the biggest looksmaxxes you can do post-puberty. If you're in puberty go crazy and take the most androgenic steroids but don't fuck around with DHT at all, there are far better options than that worthless piece of shit.

You need to consider the risk to reward ratio. I don't consider the potential of bone growth worth the acne and hairloss. Dealing with scars is a behemoth task.

If you want penis growth head over to r/gettingbigger and do PE, don't waste a molecule of time with DHT.
Dht is like testosterone but way better so keep coping
 
Dht is like testosterone but way better so keep coping
Fucking lol!

DHT isn't even anabolic you worthless subhuman, it doesn't do shit other than cuck your looks (acne/hairloss/aging)
 
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Fucking lol!

DHT isn't even anabolic you worthless subhuman, it doesn't do shit other than cuck your looks (acne/hairloss/aging)
do you think that maximising dht in puberty and blocking them after puberty with dut/fin is smart?
 
do you think that maximising dht in puberty and blocking them after puberty with dut/fin is smart?
No, simply because there are androgens out there that are STRONGER than DHT and simultaneously potently anabolic

7α-methyl-19-nortestosterone (trestolone/MENT) and trenbolone. If you're gonna use androgens USE androgens, not fucking pissweak DHT.
 
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Fucking lol!

DHT isn't even anabolic you worthless subhuman, it doesn't do shit other than cuck your looks (acne/hairloss/aging)
Not everybody is a rotting post-pubertal geezer aged 25 you fucktard. Posting this thread was a stupid decision in and of itself seeing as the majority of users here are adolescents who CAN benefit from a dht increase. You’re propagating your individual needs, nobody gives a shit. Instead of writing threads that are counter productive on several accounts how about you post something that people could bounce off of and capitalize on. Worthless nigger. Also, when is ‘post puberty’? Is that not a subject difficult to gauge since there’s variance with onset of puberty
 
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Not everybody is a rotting post-pubertal geezer aged 25
JFL nowhere near 25.
ng this thread was a stupid decision in and of itself seeing as the majority of users here are adolescents who CAN benefit from a dht increase.
You miss the point of the thread. DHT, comparatively speaking, is a garbage hormone. It's androgenicity is rivaled by countless synthetic steroids and it is completely devoid of anabolic activity. I never said teens SHOULD inhibit DHT, I said if they're going to focus on hormones, inject steroids that are BOTH anabolic AND androgenic.

Inb4 "Not everyone wants to inject steroids". Yes, but that's not the audience I'm addressing. I'm addressing the complete morons who want to literally use exogenous dihydrotestosterone (androstanolone) as a means to pubertymax.
You’re propagating your individual needs, nobody gives a shit.
There are countless people who are over the age of 18/19 who would benefit greatly from inhibiting DHT full stop. I don't give a FUCK if you don't care.
Also, when is ‘post puberty’?
Typically past the age of 18.

Again it's a matter of risk/reward ratio. If you're rapidly losing your hair and you still think you're in puberty you need to make a calculated call as to whether or not you should take Duta/Fin.

You're an idiot nevertheless. Kill yourself
 
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