The only way out, is through - An objective and multi-faceted understanding of the blackpill.

[6ft9]

Preface:

I’d like to discuss the seemingly avoided topic of attractiveness’s direct and fatalistic correlation to a healthy, long term relationship. Specifically, how if you are not in the top 1%, curiosity, lust, and other factors will erode your partners connection to you. The fact that looksmaxxing in most cases is completely futile. This is a very difficult reality to comprehend, but undeniably true, and takes the common blackpill rhetoric (even rehab room’s) a step further.

You may check my only other post for my personal accolades, but in summary I am a very tall, White Anglo Saxon Protestant hmtn who has never struggled with dating. Blackpill ideology infatuated me not out of lust, rather an understanding of socio-behavioural psychology. I graduated with a 4.8 weighted gpa from Exeter, 1580 SAT, and study at Wharton, Upenn. What one would colloquially refer to as a “trust fund kid”.

As always, no form of AI was used in this post’s creation.
I suspect this post will fall on deaf ears, if any. Although if it makes a difference to one person, I will be satisfied. Thank you in advance for your time.


High School Sweethearts

Tales of couples that fell in “love” young and stayed together into their later years are often purported in normal social circles, and looked at endearingly. There’s something sweet and pure about it, although when asked to elucidate, normies can’t quite put their finger on why. The importance of being a girl’s first sexual and romantic experience cannot be overstated, and is multifaceted in its importance. If you meet her needs sexually, and are the best available option (penis size , attractiveness, height, status), she will not so much as lay eyes on another man and will allow you to get away with anything. The percentage of men in this category is directly correlated to exposure. Before social media, a tall hmtn would be the equivalent of a chad today. There simply weren’t opportunities to see the best men represented in media, and in such volume. This concept of looks inflation is well discussed.

The issue begins when you are no longer the best option. Say you have a school of 1000, and you are a tall htn, decidedly the highest smv in said school. Your girlfriend, assuming you are her first experience, will stick to you like glue initially. Months pass by and interest wanes. The excitement and spark of a new relationship starts to falter. One evening while you’re busy, she opens TikTok and sees a Chad. Sure, she’s seen better looking guys before, but the spark and tangibility of a new relationship kept her from fully being engaged. Before you know it, she’s receptive to it, algorithm picks it up and being shown more and more. You are completely unaware, but it will have a creep effect that will only compound over time. To those that say “Love and recognition of physical attraction are separate!”, JFL. Her lust or interest in anything about another man is directly caused by a need that you don’t satisfy completely, or her realizing there’s someone out there superior to you. She may play it off knowing very well that guy is out of her league, or unreachable due to status, but I promise, if she could she would. 99% of relationships are not with these top-tier men, and so this mog is commonplace. This lack of complete satisfaction opens the floodgates for many issues that will manifest only over a long term relationship. Resentment (Why isn’t he 6’10? 6’4 isn’t even that tall!) and accumulated boredom of previously above average traits ( Yeah he is 7 inches, but we’ve done it so many times already, I kind of want something new). Then one day, after 5,10, maybe even 15 years together, she will be presented with the opportunity to cheat, if she hasn’t already sought it willingly. 99.9% of women will take this chance. If they hide it well, you won’t ever know. If they fail to hide it, you’ve destroyed your children’s lives, and wasted your prime years with nothing to show. Either be the best and stick with a girl who never had anyone else, or settle and cope knowing you are always a second choice. Relationships founded after virginity is lost, or later in life are laughable and a complete “I concede, let me cope” type of situation. You will never truly know how hypergamous and promiscuous your partner’s past was, and you have effectively relegated yourself and gave up. “We both lost the game, let’s pretend this is something genuine and bond over our shared pain and brooding failures”. Again a hard pill to swallow, but harder still is the discovery that the mother of your children had a train ran on her in college. Hyperbolic, but I hope I have adequately conveyed this message.


“Bro, how can I fix my _____”


It’s disheartening to see the shift from bp ideology to vain, shallow self improvement on mundane physical features. A complete understanding of the BP, as mentioned above, should be mandated before even considering looksmaxxing. No brother, your rhino or peptides will not move the needle enough for you to mog the best looking people on the planet. Not even your bimax or Giant Implants will. It may garner you more short term success with women, but as anyone who isn’t sexually struggling knows, even if they’re attractive casual sex tends to lose its meaning quickly. You find yourself wanting more. No looksmaxxing will put you in contention with a genetically gifted model, and tying back into the previous paragraph, you will still be leaving something on the table for your partner to find in another man. I appreciate the effort and “never get up” “improoove” sentiment of looksmaxxing, it’s a healthy way to cope. But factually, it is redundant.


So, what now?

If you are not a top 1% male, the small bouts of lust and interest in other men, over years, will compound into resentment, boredom, or a craving for something new and exciting. Eventually leading to cheating or divorce, whether you discover it or not. Looksmaxxing is largely redundant, as it won’t move the needle enough to prevent these realities. Then what might one do? How to cope or proceed with this information?

I don’t know. I am working on it.

I refuse to cope or lie to myself, and want to find a way through this ideology, as factually aligned and rooted in reality as the blackpill itself. The exploration of art, specifically literature and films help to shape one’s understanding and serve as a brief respite from the sheer brutality of this truth. Classical philosophy such as Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche, and Freud are something every well read man should consume, and are applicable to the bp. Ideologically oppositional points of view should always be combined to form your own understanding of the subject, rather than choosing to align with one wholly.

It’s an answer one must find for themselves. In a world chock-full of copes like religion, substance abuse, lying to oneself, I know it is difficult. But I promise the acceptance of truth and your pursuit through it will be far more enlightening and rewarding than any cope. Good luck.

 

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[Peco]

Preface:

I’d like to discuss the seemingly avoided topic of attractiveness’s direct and fatalistic correlation to a healthy, long term relationship. Specifically, how if you are not in the top 1%, curiosity, lust, and other factors will erode your partners connection to you. The fact that looksmaxxing in most cases is completely futile. This is a very difficult reality to comprehend, but undeniably true, and takes the common blackpill rhetoric (even rehab room’s) a step further.

You may check my only other post for my personal accolades, but in summary I am a very tall, White Anglo Saxon Protestant hmtn who has never struggled with dating. Blackpill ideology infatuated me not out of lust, rather an understanding of socio-behavioural psychology. I graduated with a 4.8 weighted gpa from Exeter, 1580 SAT, and study at Wharton, Upenn. What one would colloquially refer to as a “trust fund kid”.

As always, no form of AI was used in this post’s creation.
I suspect this post will fall on deaf ears, if any. Although if it makes a difference to one person, I will be satisfied. Thank you in advance for your time.


High School Sweethearts

Tales of couples that fell in “love” young and stayed together into their later years are often purported in normal social circles, and looked at endearingly. There’s something sweet and pure about it, although when asked to elucidate, normies can’t quite put their finger on why. The importance of being a girl’s first sexual and romantic experience cannot be overstated, and is multifaceted in its importance. If you meet her needs sexually, and are the best available option (penis size , attractiveness, height, status), she will not so much as lay eyes on another man and will allow you to get away with anything.

You describe girls almost has non sentients beings. It's true that men and women have some gender specific traits (physical and mental) but these traits do not make their behaviour as predictable as you describe it here. In this whole post there are broad behavioural generalizations and attempted predictions which are based on nothing but your observations and emotional insecurities.

The percentage of men in this category is directly correlated to exposure. Before social media, a tall hmtn would be the equivalent of a chad today. There simply weren’t opportunities to see the best men represented in media, and in such volume. This concept of looks inflation is well discussed.

This I agree with but at this point most people know that the standards perpetraded by social medias are unrealistic, and even if you do not realize that cognitively you will have empirical proof of it just by walking outside. I also think you underestimate the intelligence of a lot of people, you think most are not capable of handling the fact that their man doesn't have as high of an smv as a guy like Brad Pitt, and that it would build resentment and boredom in them. Personally I have never felt frustrated because a girl I was with wasn't as attractive as a famous actress or model. Obviously this is just anectodal and it proves nothing, because I also have not had a very long relationship yet since I'm just 20 years old. But you haven't either right ? Yet you speak with full confidence as if you had solid data and even some personal experience to back your claims

The issue begins when you are no longer the best option. Say you have a school of 1000, and you are a tall htn, decidedly the highest smv in said school. Your girlfriend, assuming you are her first experience, will stick to you like glue initially. Months pass by and interest wanes. The excitement and spark of a new relationship starts to falter. One evening while you’re busy, she opens TikTok and sees a Chad. Sure, she’s seen better looking guys before, but the spark and tangibility of a new relationship kept her from fully being engaged. Before you know it, she’s receptive to it, algorithm picks it up and being shown more and more. You are completely unaware, but it will have a creep effect that will only compound over time. To those that say “Love and recognition of physical attraction are separate!”, JFL. Her lust or interest in anything about another man is directly caused by a need that you don’t satisfy completely, or her realizing there’s someone out there superior to you.

She may play it off knowing very well that guy is out of her league, or unreachable due to status, but I promise, if she could she would.

Not sure how you can make such a broad and baseless generalization. If she could she would, how do you know that ? It's such a hypothetical and unrealistic situation you are presenting here that it's hard to predict how someone would act if put in such context.

99% of relationships are not with these top-tier men, and so this mog is commonplace. This lack of complete satisfaction opens the floodgates for many issues that will manifest only over a long term relationship. Resentment (Why isn’t he 6’10? 6’4 isn’t even that tall!) and accumulated boredom of previously above average traits ( Yeah he is 7 inches, but we’ve done it so many times already, I kind of want something new). Then one day, after 5,10, maybe even 15 years together, she will be presented with the opportunity to cheat, if she hasn’t already sought it willingly. 99.9% of women will take this chance. If they hide it well, you won’t ever know. If they fail to hide it, you’ve destroyed your children’s lives, and wasted your prime years with nothing to show. Either be the best and stick with a girl who never had anyone else, or settle and cope knowing you are always a second choice.

Relationships founded after virginity is lost, or later in life are laughable and a complete “I concede, let me cope” type of situation.

Why would that be the case ?

You will never truly know how hypergamous and promiscuous your partner’s past was, and you have effectively relegated yourself and gave up. “We both lost the game, let’s pretend this is something genuine and bond over our shared pain and brooding failures”. Again a hard pill to swallow, but harder still is the discovery that the mother of your children had a train ran on her in college. Hyperbolic, but I hope I have adequately conveyed this message.


“Bro, how can I fix my _____”


It’s disheartening to see the shift from bp ideology to vain, shallow self improvement on mundane physical features. A complete understanding of the BP, as mentioned above, should be mandated before even considering looksmaxxing. No brother, your rhino or peptides will not move the needle enough for you to mog the best looking people on the planet. Not even your bimax or Giant Implants will. It may garner you more short term success with women, but as anyone who isn’t sexually struggling knows, even if they’re attractive casual sex tends to lose its meaning quickly. You find yourself wanting more. No looksmaxxing will put you in contention with a genetically gifted model, and tying back into the previous paragraph, you will still be leaving something on the table for your partner to find in another man. I appreciate the effort and “never get up” “improoove” sentiment of looksmaxxing, it’s a healthy way to cope. But factually, it is redundant.


So, what now?

If you are not a top 1% male, the small bouts of lust and interest in other men, over years, will compound into resentment, boredom, or a craving for something new and exciting. Eventually leading to cheating or divorce, whether you discover it or not. Looksmaxxing is largely redundant, as it won’t move the needle enough to prevent these realities. Then what might one do? How to cope or proceed with this information?

I agree on the fact that looksmaxxing won't solve most of your issues but for reasons different from the ones you present here.

I don’t know. I am working on it.

I refuse to cope or lie to myself, and want to find a way through this ideology, as factually aligned and rooted in reality as the blackpill itself. The exploration of art, specifically literature and films help to shape one’s understanding and serve as a brief respite from the sheer brutality of this truth. Classical philosophy such as Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche, and Freud are something every well read man should consume, and are applicable to the bp.

Ideologically oppositional points of view should always be combined to form your own understanding of the subject, rather than choosing to align with one wholly.

Heavily agree on this

It’s an answer one must find for themselves. In a world chock-full of copes like religion, substance abuse, lying to oneself, I know it is difficult. But I promise the acceptance of truth and your pursuit through it will be far more enlightening and rewarding than any cope. Good luck.

 

[Throw_Away]

Preface:

I’d like to discuss the seemingly avoided topic of attractiveness’s direct and fatalistic correlation to a healthy, long term relationship. Specifically, how if you are not in the top 1%, curiosity, lust, and other factors will erode your partners connection to you. The fact that looksmaxxing in most cases is completely futile. This is a very difficult reality to comprehend, but undeniably true, and takes the common blackpill rhetoric (even rehab room’s) a step further.

You may check my only other post for my personal accolades, but in summary I am a very tall, White Anglo Saxon Protestant hmtn who has never struggled with dating. Blackpill ideology infatuated me not out of lust, rather an understanding of socio-behavioural psychology. I graduated with a 4.8 weighted gpa from Exeter, 1580 SAT, and study at Wharton, Upenn. What one would colloquially refer to as a “trust fund kid”.

As always, no form of AI was used in this post’s creation.
I suspect this post will fall on deaf ears, if any. Although if it makes a difference to one person, I will be satisfied. Thank you in advance for your time.


High School Sweethearts

Tales of couples that fell in “love” young and stayed together into their later years are often purported in normal social circles, and looked at endearingly. There’s something sweet and pure about it, although when asked to elucidate, normies can’t quite put their finger on why. The importance of being a girl’s first sexual and romantic experience cannot be overstated, and is multifaceted in its importance. If you meet her needs sexually, and are the best available option (penis size , attractiveness, height, status), she will not so much as lay eyes on another man and will allow you to get away with anything. The percentage of men in this category is directly correlated to exposure. Before social media, a tall hmtn would be the equivalent of a chad today. There simply weren’t opportunities to see the best men represented in media, and in such volume. This concept of looks inflation is well discussed.

The issue begins when you are no longer the best option. Say you have a school of 1000, and you are a tall htn, decidedly the highest smv in said school. Your girlfriend, assuming you are her first experience, will stick to you like glue initially. Months pass by and interest wanes. The excitement and spark of a new relationship starts to falter. One evening while you’re busy, she opens TikTok and sees a Chad. Sure, she’s seen better looking guys before, but the spark and tangibility of a new relationship kept her from fully being engaged. Before you know it, she’s receptive to it, algorithm picks it up and being shown more and more. You are completely unaware, but it will have a creep effect that will only compound over time. To those that say “Love and recognition of physical attraction are separate!”, JFL. Her lust or interest in anything about another man is directly caused by a need that you don’t satisfy completely, or her realizing there’s someone out there superior to you. She may play it off knowing very well that guy is out of her league, or unreachable due to status, but I promise, if she could she would. 99% of relationships are not with these top-tier men, and so this mog is commonplace. This lack of complete satisfaction opens the floodgates for many issues that will manifest only over a long term relationship. Resentment (Why isn’t he 6’10? 6’4 isn’t even that tall!) and accumulated boredom of previously above average traits ( Yeah he is 7 inches, but we’ve done it so many times already, I kind of want something new). Then one day, after 5,10, maybe even 15 years together, she will be presented with the opportunity to cheat, if she hasn’t already sought it willingly. 99.9% of women will take this chance. If they hide it well, you won’t ever know. If they fail to hide it, you’ve destroyed your children’s lives, and wasted your prime years with nothing to show. Either be the best and stick with a girl who never had anyone else, or settle and cope knowing you are always a second choice. Relationships founded after virginity is lost, or later in life are laughable and a complete “I concede, let me cope” type of situation. You will never truly know how hypergamous and promiscuous your partner’s past was, and you have effectively relegated yourself and gave up. “We both lost the game, let’s pretend this is something genuine and bond over our shared pain and brooding failures”. Again a hard pill to swallow, but harder still is the discovery that the mother of your children had a train ran on her in college. Hyperbolic, but I hope I have adequately conveyed this message.


“Bro, how can I fix my _____”


It’s disheartening to see the shift from bp ideology to vain, shallow self improvement on mundane physical features. A complete understanding of the BP, as mentioned above, should be mandated before even considering looksmaxxing. No brother, your rhino or peptides will not move the needle enough for you to mog the best looking people on the planet. Not even your bimax or Giant Implants will. It may garner you more short term success with women, but as anyone who isn’t sexually struggling knows, even if they’re attractive casual sex tends to lose its meaning quickly. You find yourself wanting more. No looksmaxxing will put you in contention with a genetically gifted model, and tying back into the previous paragraph, you will still be leaving something on the table for your partner to find in another man. I appreciate the effort and “never get up” “improoove” sentiment of looksmaxxing, it’s a healthy way to cope. But factually, it is redundant.


So, what now?

If you are not a top 1% male, the small bouts of lust and interest in other men, over years, will compound into resentment, boredom, or a craving for something new and exciting. Eventually leading to cheating or divorce, whether you discover it or not. Looksmaxxing is largely redundant, as it won’t move the needle enough to prevent these realities. Then what might one do? How to cope or proceed with this information?

I don’t know. I am working on it.

I refuse to cope or lie to myself, and want to find a way through this ideology, as factually aligned and rooted in reality as the blackpill itself. The exploration of art, specifically literature and films help to shape one’s understanding and serve as a brief respite from the sheer brutality of this truth. Classical philosophy such as Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche, and Freud are something every well read man should consume, and are applicable to the bp. Ideologically oppositional points of view should always be combined to form your own understanding of the subject, rather than choosing to align with one wholly.

It’s an answer one must find for themselves. In a world chock-full of copes like religion, substance abuse, lying to oneself, I know it is difficult. But I promise the acceptance of truth and your pursuit through it will be far more enlightening and rewarding than any cope. Good luck.

ACTUALLY high IQ thread, mirin. Imo this is kinda water but most people on the forum rn don't realize it.

 

[Jgns]

Theres obv more nuance I have to agree with peco more but ur observations are still really meaningful and I heavily agree with the opposing worldview part. Mirin that ty for the good read

 

[Peco]

Theres obv more nuance I have to agree with peco more but ur observations are still really meaningful and I heavily agree with the opposing worldview part. Mirin that ty for the good read

I think his other thread is much better than this one. Even in the reply to the nootropics thread he was very rational and detached. This thread though seems to come from a more personal and emotional place, not only in the content itself but also in how he presents it.

 

[Jgns]

I think his other thread is much better than this one. Even in the reply to the nootropics thread he was very rational and detached. This thread though seems to come from a more personal and emotional place, not only in the content itself but also in how he presents it.

hmm imma read it that sounds interesting, and tbf the guy is like 19 im 20 but yeah

 

[6ft9]

I think his other thread is much better than this one. Even in the reply to the nootropics thread he was very rational and detached. This thread though seems to come from a more personal and emotional place, not only in the content itself but also in how he presents it.

I completely understand why you’d assume this, the verbiage used here was a lot more personal. I’d love to have the opportunity to sort of enunciate these views and what went into them, as I actively try to stay away from anecdotes. If you’ve got discord, please do dm me? My name is noe in the org server. Not sure if this forum has a direct messaging feature.

But thanks again for your time and effort in constructive criticism. Cannot understate how much I value people such as yourself who engage and critique content rather than slapping a label onto it or “dnring”.

 

[6ft9]

Theres obv more nuance I have to agree with peco more but ur observations are still really meaningful and I heavily agree with the opposing worldview part. Mirin that ty for the good read

Thank you for reading! And best of luck in all your endeavours.

 

[Jgns]

Thank you for reading! And best of luck in all your endeavours.

tysm bro and u too!

 

[Prøphet]

This forum is so dead 5 reps for this deep analysis and 50 reps for some porn thread

 

[pleasevanity]

Either be the best and stick with a girl who never had anyone else, or settle and cope knowing you are always a second choice.

I teared up a little.

 

[6ft9]

Jfl

This forum is so dead 5 reps for this deep analysis and 50 reps for some porn thread

Such is the burdensome nature of deep thought. Why read and interpolate something like this when you can see mtb with jiggly cheeks shake it. Appeal to short term gratification vs introspective thought.

 

[kdev]

Everything in the first section lands and the mechanism is correct. The hypergamy is real, looks inflation through social media is real, the compounding exposure effect over a long term relationship is real and the high school sweetheart dynamic is one of the most honest observation in this thread. The part about being the only truly secure position is something most people here intellectually understand but refuse to sit with because the implications are too uncomfortable.

Where the argument overreaches is the 99.9% cheating claim and the 'relationship are cope' sort of conclusion. Youve correctly identified directional truth and then pushed it to an absolute that the mechanism itself doesnt support. Hypergamy is a gradient not a binary. The same drive that makes a woman receptive to a better option also responds to relative positioning within her realistic environment not just a theoretical ceiling. The guy who is clearly the best option in his immediate social world occupies a meaningfully different position than the the guy who isnt even if neither of them is genetic elite. That gap matters even if it doesnt truly fix the problem.

The looksmaxxing section is correct in ways that actually matter. Surgery and peptides wont put you in contention with a model and a framing itself as self improvement while ignoring the ideological foundation is a retail therapy with extra steps. This id say is an honest read of where this community has drifted.

I love the ending part tho and it is the least discussed too. Admitting you dont have the answer while refusing to reach for a convenient cope is rarer here than it should be.

Overall all top tier analysis love the work you put into this thread.

 

[6ft9]

Everything in the first section lands and the mechanism is correct. The hypergamy is real, looks inflation through social media is real, the compounding exposure effect over a long term relationship is real and the high school sweetheart dynamic is one of the most honest observation in this thread. The part about being the only truly secure position is something most people here intellectually understand but refuse to sit with because the implications are too uncomfortable.

Where the argument overreaches is the 99.9% cheating claim and the 'relationship are cope' sort of conclusion. Youve correctly identified directional truth and then pushed it to an absolute that the mechanism itself doesnt support. Hypergamy is a gradient not a binary. The same drive that makes a woman receptive to a better option also responds to relative positioning within her realistic environment not just a theoretical ceiling. The guy who is clearly the best option in his immediate social world occupies a meaningfully different position than the the guy who isnt even if neither of them is genetic elite. That gap matters even if it doesnt truly fix the problem.

The looksmaxxing section is correct in ways that actually matter. Surgery and peptides wont put you in contention with a model and a framing itself as self improvement while ignoring the ideological foundation is a retail therapy with extra steps. This id say is an honest read of where this community has drifted.

I love the ending part tho and it is the least discussed too. Admitting you dont have the answer while refusing to reach for a convenient cope is rarer here than it should be.

Overall all top tier analysis love the work you put into this thread.

Firstly, and most importantly : Thank you for the read and well intentioned analysis.

I recognize relative positioning is theoretical. My argument is more so rooted in the presumption that "Unrealistic ideals" do not exempt someone from earnest moral judgement. To simplify, the fact that "If she could she would leave you for a better option", even if unattainable and impractical, does not automatically mean the relationship is pure and honest. To put it reductively, if you could hypothetically take immoral action to achieve wealth, but you choose not to because its difficult and the opportunity has not yet presented itself, does this recognition make your choice to not do so moral and pure? Or are you simply adapting to that which is reasonable and attainable? This will commonly be labelled as "over-philosophizing", but such behaviors pertain directly to a long term relationship. A partnership over years, in which small and seemingly insignificant factors balloon due to the passage of time and accrued resentment/dissatisfaction . One which's success is directly tied to satisfaction of your counterpart.

Food for thought, meant to encourage independent thought rather than convey an agenda. And once again, thank you for the feedback.

Adam

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

Preface:

I’d like to discuss the seemingly avoided topic of attractiveness’s direct and fatalistic correlation to a healthy, long term relationship. Specifically, how if you are not in the top 1%, curiosity, lust, and other factors will erode your partners connection to you. The fact that looksmaxxing in most cases is completely futile. This is a very difficult reality to comprehend, but undeniably true, and takes the common blackpill rhetoric (even rehab room’s) a step further.

You may check my only other post for my personal accolades, but in summary I am a very tall, White Anglo Saxon Protestant hmtn who has never struggled with dating. Blackpill ideology infatuated me not out of lust, rather an understanding of socio-behavioural psychology. I graduated with a 4.8 weighted gpa from Exeter, 1580 SAT, and study at Wharton, Upenn. What one would colloquially refer to as a “trust fund kid”.

As always, no form of AI was used in this post’s creation.
I suspect this post will fall on deaf ears, if any. Although if it makes a difference to one person, I will be satisfied. Thank you in advance for your time.


High School Sweethearts

Tales of couples that fell in “love” young and stayed together into their later years are often purported in normal social circles, and looked at endearingly. There’s something sweet and pure about it, although when asked to elucidate, normies can’t quite put their finger on why. The importance of being a girl’s first sexual and romantic experience cannot be overstated, and is multifaceted in its importance. If you meet her needs sexually, and are the best available option (penis size , attractiveness, height, status), she will not so much as lay eyes on another man and will allow you to get away with anything. The percentage of men in this category is directly correlated to exposure. Before social media, a tall hmtn would be the equivalent of a chad today. There simply weren’t opportunities to see the best men represented in media, and in such volume. This concept of looks inflation is well discussed.

The issue begins when you are no longer the best option. Say you have a school of 1000, and you are a tall htn, decidedly the highest smv in said school. Your girlfriend, assuming you are her first experience, will stick to you like glue initially. Months pass by and interest wanes. The excitement and spark of a new relationship starts to falter. One evening while you’re busy, she opens TikTok and sees a Chad. Sure, she’s seen better looking guys before, but the spark and tangibility of a new relationship kept her from fully being engaged. Before you know it, she’s receptive to it, algorithm picks it up and being shown more and more. You are completely unaware, but it will have a creep effect that will only compound over time. To those that say “Love and recognition of physical attraction are separate!”, JFL. Her lust or interest in anything about another man is directly caused by a need that you don’t satisfy completely, or her realizing there’s someone out there superior to you. She may play it off knowing very well that guy is out of her league, or unreachable due to status, but I promise, if she could she would. 99% of relationships are not with these top-tier men, and so this mog is commonplace. This lack of complete satisfaction opens the floodgates for many issues that will manifest only over a long term relationship. Resentment (Why isn’t he 6’10? 6’4 isn’t even that tall!) and accumulated boredom of previously above average traits ( Yeah he is 7 inches, but we’ve done it so many times already, I kind of want something new). Then one day, after 5,10, maybe even 15 years together, she will be presented with the opportunity to cheat, if she hasn’t already sought it willingly. 99.9% of women will take this chance. If they hide it well, you won’t ever know. If they fail to hide it, you’ve destroyed your children’s lives, and wasted your prime years with nothing to show. Either be the best and stick with a girl who never had anyone else, or settle and cope knowing you are always a second choice. Relationships founded after virginity is lost, or later in life are laughable and a complete “I concede, let me cope” type of situation. You will never truly know how hypergamous and promiscuous your partner’s past was, and you have effectively relegated yourself and gave up. “We both lost the game, let’s pretend this is something genuine and bond over our shared pain and brooding failures”. Again a hard pill to swallow, but harder still is the discovery that the mother of your children had a train ran on her in college. Hyperbolic, but I hope I have adequately conveyed this message.


“Bro, how can I fix my _____”


It’s disheartening to see the shift from bp ideology to vain, shallow self improvement on mundane physical features. A complete understanding of the BP, as mentioned above, should be mandated before even considering looksmaxxing. No brother, your rhino or peptides will not move the needle enough for you to mog the best looking people on the planet. Not even your bimax or Giant Implants will. It may garner you more short term success with women, but as anyone who isn’t sexually struggling knows, even if they’re attractive casual sex tends to lose its meaning quickly. You find yourself wanting more. No looksmaxxing will put you in contention with a genetically gifted model, and tying back into the previous paragraph, you will still be leaving something on the table for your partner to find in another man. I appreciate the effort and “never get up” “improoove” sentiment of looksmaxxing, it’s a healthy way to cope. But factually, it is redundant.


So, what now?

If you are not a top 1% male, the small bouts of lust and interest in other men, over years, will compound into resentment, boredom, or a craving for something new and exciting. Eventually leading to cheating or divorce, whether you discover it or not. Looksmaxxing is largely redundant, as it won’t move the needle enough to prevent these realities. Then what might one do? How to cope or proceed with this information?

I don’t know. I am working on it.

I refuse to cope or lie to myself, and want to find a way through this ideology, as factually aligned and rooted in reality as the blackpill itself. The exploration of art, specifically literature and films help to shape one’s understanding and serve as a brief respite from the sheer brutality of this truth. Classical philosophy such as Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche, and Freud are something every well read man should consume, and are applicable to the bp. Ideologically oppositional points of view should always be combined to form your own understanding of the subject, rather than choosing to align with one wholly.

It’s an answer one must find for themselves. In a world chock-full of copes like religion, substance abuse, lying to oneself, I know it is difficult. But I promise the acceptance of truth and your pursuit through it will be far more enlightening and rewarding than any cope. Good luck.

Holy shit, a good thread after months??

 

[kdev]

Firstly, and most importantly : Thank you for the read and well intentioned analysis.

I recognize relative positioning is theoretical. My argument is more so rooted in the presumption that "Unrealistic ideals" do not exempt someone from earnest moral judgement. To simplify, the fact that "If she could she would leave you for a better option", even if unattainable and impractical, does not automatically mean the relationship is pure and honest. To put it reductively, if you could hypothetically take immoral action to achieve wealth, but you choose not to because its difficult and the opportunity has not yet presented itself, does this recognition make your choice to not do so moral and pure? Or are you simply adapting to that which is reasonable and attainable? This will commonly be labelled as "over-philosophizing", but such behaviors pertain directly to a long term relationship. A partnership over years, in which small and seemingly insignificant factors balloon due to the passage of time and accrued resentment/dissatisfaction . One which's success is directly tied to satisfaction of your counterpart.

Food for thought, meant to encourage independent though rather than convey an agenda. And once again, thank you for the feedback.

Adam

The hypothetical immoral action analogy is actually the strongest version of your argument and sharper than anything in the original post. Youre right that the absence of opportunity isnt the same as absence of intent. This is just circumstance. that reframe alone is worth more than the entire thread ngl. The moral purity question in a long term relationship isnt wether she acted its wether the condition for action exist and compound silently over time which is the original point and i dont think i gave you enough credit for it so mb in that end.

Where id still hold my ground is that your framework taken in to its logical conclusion makes fidelity itself meaningless as a concept since almost every moral choice exist in the shadow of hypothetical violation. ATP you are not truly describing relationships but overall human virtue under constraint which is a real philosophical position. This sorta makes the bp less of a discovery about the hypergamous nature of women but more of a broader observation of the nature of choice itself and i suspect thats closer to what ur getting at than the original post lets on.

 

[6ft9]

Holy shit, a good thread after months??

Thank you for reading. I am glad my writing landed in any sense, whether you agree or disagree.

Good luck to you, in whatever it is you're after.

 

[6ft9]

The hypothetical immoral action analogy is actually the strongest version of your argument and sharper than anything in the original post. Youre right that the absence of opportunity isnt the same as absence of intent. This is just circumstance. that reframe alone is worth more than the entire thread ngl. The moral purity question in a long term relationship isnt wether she acted its wether the condition for action exist and compound silently over time which is the original point and i dont think i gave you enough credit for it so mb in that end.

Where id still hold my ground is that your framework taken in to its logical conclusion makes fidelity itself meaningless as a concept since almost every moral choice exist in the shadow of hypothetical violation. ATP you are not truly describing relationships but overall human virtue under constraint which is a real philosophical position. This sorta makes the bp less of a discovery about the hypergamous nature of women but more of a broader observation of the nature of choice itself and i suspect thats closer to what ur getting at than the original post lets on.

You are correct in that assumption. The choice to not fixate on the concept of fidelity was purely for engagement's sake, as leading with a complex and philosophical concept will turn off a lot of people at face value. I am very content and even excited to elaborate on my views on this concept and provide contextual backing from well-regarded philosophers that have helped shape my views.

As as side note : Great unbiased perception and attentiveness from your end. I wish others would approach such topics in the way you do, and I am not saying that because you partially agreed. Impersonal, logic based thinking is a foundational asset that has shaped philosophy and modern society as a whole. Especially as impartial thought is prone to labelling (ill-intentioned, racist, agenda regurgitating).

 

[kdev]

You are correct in that assumption. The choice to not fixate on the concept of fidelity was purely for engagement's sake, as leading with a complex and philosophical concept will turn off a lot of people at face value. I am very content and even excited to elaborate on my views on this concept and provide contextual backing from well-regarded philosophers that have helped shape my views.

As as side note : Great unbiased perception and attentiveness from your end. I wish others would approach such topics in the way you do, and I am not saying that because you partially agreed. Impersonal, logic based thinking is a foundational asset that has shaped philosophy and modern society as a whole.

appreciate the kind words and the elaboration. I would be interested to hearing the philosophical backing when you are ready to elaborate. the managed circumstance angle on fidelity is the part that deserves its own thread as well tbf.

 

[Peco]

I completely understand why you’d assume this, the verbiage used here was a lot more personal. I’d love to have the opportunity to sort of enunciate these views and what went into them, as I actively try to stay away from anecdotes. If you’ve got discord, please do dm me? My name is noe in the org server. Not sure if this forum has a direct messaging feature.

I'll join the discord server now but I don't think that just your username is enough for me to find you, you need to send me your full name tag, it's usually found in your profile section below your displayed username

But thanks again for your time and effort in constructive criticism. Cannot understate how much I value people such as yourself who engage and critique content rather than slapping a label onto it or “dnring”.