The people who put the most strain on British welfare is not immigrants

[Jason Voorhees]

A Britishcel once told me about this and I found it very interesting

The biggest burden aren't even Immigrants. They make a tiny portion of it which barely matters. The heaviest hitters are actually British single moms.

UK welfare is around £300bn+, with massive chunks on Universal Credit, housing support, child benefits, and disability claims and of all this goes to British single moms. Because the system rewards families that have disabilities. There's something called the PIP/DLA/carer's allowance that pays massive dividends.

Example a typical setup is a family with 3+ kids + one "special needs" claim. This alone ca pull serious cash via UC + extras with housing top-ups in expensive areas and this if for normal families. The way this gets abused is single moms have like a dozen children and claim autism and inability to work due to some disability and get paid like £100K every year. All the while people scape goat Ahmed when his bare minimum welfare that he receives doesn't even cause a dent

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Saint Casanova @jaaba @imontheloose @SoundnVision @inversions

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Magnus Ironblood

 

[Hess]

NHS in general is just aids, and in principal government services should be used for country's people/nation only its a crime that the current government even lets them use it

 

[Jason Voorhees]

NHS in general is just aids, and in principal government services should be used for country's people/nation only its a crime that the current government even lets them use it

I disagree. Healthcare is a universal right

 

[Hess]

I disagree. Healthcare is a universal right

Only for a nation's people, the British nation does not owe anything to the people that flood their shores nor should it, the british government exists only to serve and help the British people

 

[lnceIs]

Here in Germany immigrant families live in their own reality, where they get up to 7k Euro per month from the government to feed their inbred children and live in a container. They often illegally sell drugs or secretly work for a kind of luxurious lifestyle.

After a decade of living, many can not hold basic conversations or introduce themselves. Not surprising considering they live in their own cities.

Meanwhile, Hans Günther Jauch works 60hrs/wk in his plumbing business just to pay 80%+ of his money to the government

If people will not start getting angry within the next 10 years, the white race is probably finished for good.

 

[unknownincel]

 

[Hess]

Only for a nation's people, the British nation does not owe anything to the people that flood their shores nor should it, the british government exists only to serve and help the British people

Also nothing rly is a "right" in general that is a very modern concept to me that does not make sense, you don't have the right to anything its a social concept that has only been used to topple regimes as a justification of war

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Only for a nation's people, the British nation does not owe anything to the people that flood their shores nor should it, the british government exists only to serve and help the British people

Immigrants pay taxes, pay NHS visa surcharges, and already make up nearly a fifth of the entire NHS workforce. Diseases don't check passports nigga. basic healthcare to a segment of the population is a massive public health risk for everyone, British citizens included.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Also nothing rly is a "right" in general that is a very modern concept to me that does not make sense, you don't have the right to anything its a social concept that has only been used to topple regimes as a justification of war

This comment is the exact reason why I lose braincells when I talk to far right nigga like this. Best not to engage

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Here in Germany immigrant families live in their own reality, where they get up to 7k Euro per month from the government to feed their inbred children and live in a container. They often illegally sell drugs or secretly work for a kind of luxurious lifestyle.

After a decade of living, many can not hold basic conversations or introduce themselves. Not surprising considering they live in their own cities.

Meanwhile, Hans Günther Jauch works 60hrs/wk in his plumbing business just to pay 80%+ of his money to the government

If people will not start getting angry within the next 10 years, the white race is probably finished for good.

Bürgergeld also gets heavily exploited tho.

 

[Hess]

Immigrants pay taxes, pay NHS visa surcharges, and already make up nearly a fifth of the entire NHS workforce. Diseases don't check passports nigga. basic healthcare to a segment of the population is a massive public health risk for everyone, British citizens included.

When I say nation Im not talking about citizenship, im talking about blood, regardless of their contributions they arent ethnically british and they will never feel a connection or unity with actual british people, go to any somlian, arab or chinese immigrant and they will identify as their ethnicity first and will always be fifth columns in the country

 

[lnceIs]

Bürgergeld also gets heavily exploited tho.

That's what I was saying. Bürgergeld, Kindergeld all of them are shit

 

[Hess]

This comment is the exact reason why I lose braincells when I talk to far right nigga like this. Best not to engage

Prove that the concept of human rights is an actual tangible concept that exists as an objective thing, they have only ever been used to justify wars in the middle east against syria or iraq and to make things far worse than they were under said regimes, when all anarchy and chaos breaks loose no one cares about your right to food or education they care about survival only, and states have existed for centuries without these concepts or have used them and changed the definitions in so many ways, the concept is an entirely subjective thing that can differ entirely to anyone you speak

 

[Jason Voorhees]

That's what I was saying. Bürgergeld, Kindergeld all of them are shit

Bürgergeld has different sections for citizens and is exploited to a much higher degree by german citizens than anyone else.

 

[lnceIs]

Bürgergeld has different sections for citizens and is exploited to a much higher degree by german citizens than anyone else.

I just realized the mistake I made, my bad

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I just realized the mistake I made, my bad

You forgot I can speak and understand German I guess.

 

[lnceIs]

Prove that the concept of human rights is an actual tangible concept that exists as an objective thing, they have only ever been used to justify wars in the middle east against syria or iraq and to make things far worse than they were under said regimes, when all anarchy and chaos breaks loose no one cares about your right to food or education they care about survival only, and states have existed for centuries without these concepts or have used them and changed the definitions in so many ways, the concept is an entirely subjective thing that can differ entirely to anyone you speak

Brandolini's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[gymcelld]

Anyone ukcel that hates on ingratiation is beyond retarted

Who will not ask for id at the shop?

Who delivers your food when you can’t be fucked?

Who drives around the taxis?

 

[Hess]

Brandolini's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not an argument, im not trying to attack OP or engage in bad faith I am simply stating my view and have a discussion, idk why everyone on this forum treats debating like this as personal feuds

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Anyone ukcel that hates on ingratiation is beyond retarted

Who will not ask for id at the shop?

Who delivers your food when you can’t be fucked?

Who drives around the taxis?

There are better reasons to oppose immigration. Like increased crime rates, foreign investors buying up all property in London, capturing high political offices, job competition etc but welfare is not one of those things. You can oppose immigration on a personal level

 

[lnceIs]

Not an argument, im not trying to attack OP or engage in bad faith I am simply stating my view and have a discussion, idk why everyone on this forum treats debating like this as personal feuds

Alright.

You made the claim the concept of human rights has only ever been used to justify wars in the Middle East.

I don't even need to explain this, do I?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Immigrants pay taxes, pay NHS visa surcharges, and already make up nearly a fifth of the entire NHS workforce. Diseases don't check passports nigga. basic healthcare to a segment of the population is a massive public health risk for everyone, British citizens included.

@OverSince08 @Divineincel answer this since you repped his post. How are you supposed to make this work?

 

[gymcelld]

There are better reasons to oppose immigration. Like increased crime rates, foreign investors buying up all property in London, capturing high political offices, job competition etc but welfare is not one of those things. You can oppose immigration on a personal level

Why are brits so sacred like they are competing with them for a hedge fund manger role? JFL

They literally just do food delivery’s

 

[lnceIs]

Anyone ukcel that hates on ingratiation is beyond retarted

Who will not ask for id at the shop?

Who delivers your food when you can’t be fucked?

Who drives around the taxis?

I, too, would like my country do collapse, so minors can buy vapes.

 

[CollioureViews]

A Britishcel once told me about this and I found it very interesting

The biggest burden aren't even Immigrants. They make a tiny portion of it which barely matters. The heaviest hitters are actually British single moms.

UK welfare is around £300bn+, with massive chunks on Universal Credit, housing support, child benefits, and disability claims and of all this goes to British single moms. Because the system rewards families that have disabilities. There's something called the PIP/DLA/carer's allowance that pays massive dividends.

Example a typical setup is a family with 3+ kids + one "special needs" claim. This alone ca pull serious cash via UC + extras with housing top-ups in expensive areas and this if for normal families. The way this gets abused is single moms have like a dozen children and claim autism and inability to work due to some disability and get paid like £100K every year. All the while people scape goat Ahmed when his bare minimum welfare that he receives doesn't even cause a dent

The amount of fraud in the system that's unaccounted would far outweigh any fiscal benefits immigrants provide. We're talking about people bringing people without residency (never mind permanent leave to remain or citizenship) into the country for medical treatment, posing as residents (I know many stories like this personally).

Also, statistics can be manipulated to demonstrate benefits from various cohorts that cut out drains (family chain migration and refugees).

Finally, Britain isn't an economic zone; it's a nation of people.

 

[Hess]

Alright.

You made the claim the concept of human rights has only ever been used to justify wars in the Middle East.

I don't even need to explain this, do I?

My claim is that they are not an actual thing in reality and are entirely subjective to each person you talk to and the most use they have been used for is to rally the masses and use as a justification of toppling regimes (apartheid south africa, Rhodesia, Iraq, syria, the soviet union etc etc)

 

[gymcelld]

I, too, would like my country do collapse, so minors can buy vapes.

Mate get a grip fuck me

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Why are brits so sacred like they are competing with them for a hedge fund manger role? JFL

They literally just do food delivery’s

that used to be the case 20-30 years ago but that's not true now. They are infact competiting with them for hedge fund manager, software development, real estate, political offices etc.

 

[Mess]

My friend gets paid like £500 per month solely from just being autistic.
The UK is a mess.

 

[Hess]

My claim is that they are not an actual thing in reality and are entirely subjective to each person you talk to and the most use they have been used for is to rally the masses and use as a justification of toppling regimes (apartheid south africa, Rhodesia, Iraq, syria, the soviet union etc etc)

I tend to frame things a little provocative at times, so sometimes my point doesn't get across fully and can cause misunderstanding to my view.

 

[thedarkerone]

whoever told you that is blatantly incorrect. the meme stereotype subhuman junkie single mom with 5 kids barely exists, most single moms have 1-2 kids and are normie foids who work normal jobs most arent even on universal credit. last time i went to the neetbux office i felt like me and the woman i had to speak to were the only white people there, everyone else was an ahmed or black and i dont even live in a major city.

 

[gymcelld]

that used to be the case 20-30 years ago but that's not true now. They are infact competiting with them for hedge fund manager, software development, real estate, political offices etc.

Maybe

I can’t really control it tho so I don’t really care tbh

 

[OverSince08]

@OverSince08 @Divineincel answer this since you repped his post. How are you supposed to make this work?

There is a difference betwean legal skilled immigrants and ones that come on boats. Legal immigrants work and pay taxes. Most the time they also try and assimilate into society.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The amount of fraud in the system that's unaccounted would far outweigh any fiscal benefits immigrants provide. We're talking about people bringing people without residency (never mind permanent leave to remain or citizenship) into the country for medical treatment, posing as residents (I know many stories like this personally).

Also, statistics can be manipulated to demonstrate benefits from various cohorts that cut out drains (family chain migration and refugees).

Finally, Britain isn't an economic zone; it's a nation of people.

Health tourism' costs the NHS roughly 0.3% of its budget. Nigga a literal rounding error compared to what I mentioned.

 

[lnceIs]

My claim is that they are not an actual thing in reality and are entirely subjective to each person you talk to and the most use they have been used for is to rally the masses and use as a justification of toppling regimes (apartheid south africa, Rhodesia, Iraq, syria, the soviet union etc etc)

You're attempting to distort reality.

It's beneficial for members of a society if they have the right NOT to be tortured as infants. Not sure what kind of edgy talking point this even is? Are you against basic human dignity and human rights?

It's subjective to a degree, but the general population agrees with the basic human rights. Of course so called many human rights are bullshit, but not the concept of human rights as a whole.

Just because some regimes use any form of alleged moral obligation to justify a coup, that does not mean human rights shouldn't exist.

 

[inversions]

There are literally muslim women with 6 children claiming all sorts of benefits.

 

[Cherkez]

Here in Germany immigrant families live in their own reality, where they get up to 7k Euro per month from the government to feed their inbred children and live in a container. They often illegally sell drugs or secretly work for a kind of luxurious lifestyle.

After a decade of living, many can not hold basic conversations or introduce themselves. Not surprising considering they live in their own cities.

Meanwhile, Hans Günther Jauch works 60hrs/wk in his plumbing business just to pay 80%+ of his money to the government

If people will not start getting angry within the next 10 years, the white race is probably finished for good.

In germany there are literally guides on how to scam welfare as a "refugee" and because the government pushes some bullshit line on how "syria is doing x to x people" they are forced to accept these bullshit "refugees". 90% of refugees make up some bullshit lie like "i'm a christian" to get into europe.

They pull the same shit in london jfl you have some iranian monarchist who comes to the uk on a visitation visa, protest outside the embassy ( they hold a sign and shout like two slurs ) record it and then claim they cannot return back to iran because they will be killed

Jason Voorhees is right though, the issue in the UK is that the british are lazy fucks compared to germans or other hard working people

 

[CollioureViews]

Health tourism' costs the NHS roughly 0.3% of its budget. Nigga a literal rounding error compared to what I mentioned.

I was throwing out a single example of fraud. You think there aren't more?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

whoever told you that is blatantly incorrect. the meme stereotype subhuman junkie single mom with 5 kids barely exists, most single moms have 1-2 kids and are normie foids who work normal jobs most arent even on universal credit. last time i went to the neetbux office i felt like me and the woman i had to speak to were the only white people there, everyone else was an ahmed or black and i dont even live in a major city.

A single trip to a Jobcentre as a national census vs the Official Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) data consistently. I wonder which is more accurate.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I was throwing out a single example of fraud. You think there aren't more?

My point still stands tho. The biggest hitters are British single moms and that's a fact weather you believe it or not.

 

[thedarkerone]

A single trip to a Jobcentre as a national census vs the Official Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) data consistently. I wonder which is more accurate.

yeah because the government has never lied about anything

 

[Jason Voorhees]

In germany there are literally guides on how to scam welfare as a "refugee" and because the government pushes some bullshit line on how "syria is doing x to x people" they are forced to accept these bullshit "refugees". 90% of refugees make up some bullshit lie like "i'm a christian" to get into europe.

They pull the same shit in london jfl you have some iranian monarchist who comes to the uk on a visitation visa, protest outside the embassy ( they hold a sign and shout like two slurs ) record it and then claim they cannot return back to iran because they will be killed

Jason Voorhees is right though, the issue in the UK is that the british are lazy fucks compared to germans or other hard working people

Germany sometimes back pivoted to Bezahlkarten payment cards for asylum seekers to prevent cash being sent abroad, effectively killing the financial incentive you're talking about.

 

[Cherkez]

I was throwing out a single example of fraud. You think there aren't more?

NHS is forced to hire foreign doctors and nurses who aren't paid a legal wage because the government won't choose between privatising it (in a european manner) or giving it more funding, Health tourism isn't even done by brown people lol it's done by ukranians who come as fake refugees to get surgery then fuck off back to ukraine

 

[CollioureViews]

A single trip to a Jobcentre as a national census vs the Official Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) data consistently. I wonder which is more accurate.

Plus, it's not even a conversation about the financial benefits, or lack thereof.

It's about what we're willing to sacrifice.

Let's say, ostensibly, that mass migration is propping up the DWP, NHS, and servicing our national debt, it that worth the social capital we're selling down the river?

I can't really measure how it feels that Morris dancers don't come to my area anymore. That was banging when I was a kid.

Anyway, we all know that most fiscal benefits from mass migration accrue to corporations profiting from cheaper labour...

 

[Jason Voorhees]

There are literally muslim women with 6 children claiming all sorts of benefits.

No it is explicitly White British Woman. The Official Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has this info

 

[inversions]

No it is explicitly White British Woman. The Official Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has this info

I'm gonna hop on universal credit as soon as I turn 18 and LDAR for life

I'll even impregnate a stripper with 6 children for more money

 

[Hess]

You're attempting to distort reality.

It's beneficial for members of a society if they have the right NOT to be tortured as infants. Not sure what kind of edgy talking point this even is? Are you against basic human dignity and human rights?

It's subjective to a degree, but the general population agrees with the basic human rights. Of course so called many human rights are bullshit, but not the concept of human rights as a whole.

Just because some regimes use any form of alleged moral obligation to justify a coup, that does not mean human rights shouldn't exist.

Does having or not having Human rights mean you will be tortured and subject to cruelty? so many regimes in the past have existed and even prospered for both citizenry and rulers alike without having the concept, with or without human rights you would still have these things, its beneficial for a nation to make sure its citizenry is prospering to a degree and will always to some degree have laws and constitutions for said things (magna carte is one such example), my point is that these things arent real and do not change the relationship between citizen and state, and to clarify im not some "Edgelord" that loves human cruelty I just think that these things are not real or beneficial and do not change the relationship between citizen and state. for the most part nations have structured themselves and used rights to benefit their people alone and that will always be the case, human rights being some universal decider of moral good and enforcer of the liberal world against any country or regime that doesnt allign themselves with it fullyis not a good thing to me

 

[Cherkez]

Germany sometimes back pivoted to Bezahlkarten payment cards for asylum seekers to prevent cash being sent abroad, effectively killing the financial incentive you're talking about.

I mean that's a recent thing and still issues are being had with it, not to mention how the financial incentive exists for working too, people coming just to get free money from the government is an overinflated concept it's mostly people coming to work in a place with higher wages.

All of this anti middle east migrant BS is performative anyway, Ukrainian "refugees" are 10x more destructive than 1 syrian dude. Can't believe the EU lets themselves get raped economically by those khokhols