The raw diet is so stupid, It’s completely false and based on 0 evidence

[asdvek]

You already sent the studies and got disproven, it’s embarrassing that you keep dragging it on after you lost honestly.
Zinc picolinate and acetate have a bioavailability of 50-60%, the rest either get from your diet or just double your dose of the supplement

Where did it get disproven? You didn't make a valid point. What you said was false.

 

[The Homelander]

Where did it get disproven? You didn't make a valid point. What you said was false.

Just deny reality theory @itzyaboyJJ

 

[itzyaboyJJ]

Just deny reality theory @itzyaboyJJ
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Bro it was to prove him wrong not embarrass him in front of the whole forum

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Just deny reality theory @itzyaboyJJ
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Exactly, i won too all debates i had with him about raw milk

I dont know why but some people will never change

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

You ask the raw meat copers to provide evidence, and they'll say, "just watch goatis, he knows everything"

 

[The Homelander]

Exactly, i won too all debates i had with him about raw milk

I dont know why but some people will never change

It’s too easy to win a debate against raw diet cultists

they think eating like a neandrathal is going to fix their subhumanity somehow, when that’s far from the truth
no diet is going to drastically ascend you physically, but a proper diet determines your internal health and cognitive functioning

You ask the raw meat copers to provide evidence, and they'll say, "just watch goatis, he knows everything"

Not only is goatis a retard, but he’s admitted to being gay as well
this is the same guy that states right into the sun and stopped eating anything for 30 days because he felt like it, also the same guy who consumes blood

 

[Deleted member 108871]

@Never Get Up

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

It’s too easy to win a debate against raw diet cultists

they think eating like a neandrathal is going to fix their subhumanity somehow, when that’s far from the truth
no diet is going to drastically ascend you physically, but a proper diet determines your internal health and cognitive functioning

Not only is goatis a retard, but he’s admitted to being gay as well
this is the same guy that states right into the sun and stopped eating anything for 30 days because he felt like it, also the same guy who consumes blood

This forum is healing, last year I swear I saw 1 thread a day saying to eat raw meat, but the second they get any pushback on their bs they go back into hiding

 

[The Homelander]

This forum is healing, last year I swear I saw 1 thread a day saying to eat raw meat, but the second they get any pushback on their bs they go back into hiding

Greys are still stuck on the whole muh raw diet will make me chad craze

but more and more people are becoming educated and actually looking at the literature and determining their decisions on actual studies, not pseudoscience.

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

Greys are still stuck on the whole muh raw diet will make me chad craze

but more and more people are becoming educated and actually looking at the literature and determining their decisions on actual studies, not pseudoscience.

a guy here with a Jeremy Meeks pfp advocates for raw meat which is the most ironic shit in the world, Since Jeremy meeks grew up in the slums, he probably had one of the worst diets possible

 

[The Homelander]

a guy here with a Jeremy Meeks pfp advocates for raw meat which is the most ironic shit in the world, Since Jeremy meeks grew up in the slums, he probably had one of the worst diets possible

@Never Get Up

 

[itzyaboyJJ]

a guy here with a Jeremy Meeks pfp advocates for raw meat which is the most ironic shit in the world, Since Jeremy meeks grew up in the slums, he probably had one of the worst diets possible

@Never Get Up opinions ?

 

[The Homelander]

@Never Get Up opinions ?

Yes saar, please enlighten us @Never Get Up

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

@Never Get Up opinions ?

I swear he has me on ignore, I've tagged him 20 different times

or he's just ignoring me literally

 

[itzyaboyJJ]

I swear he has me on ignore, I've tagged him 20 different times

or he's just ignoring me literally

Carbs scare him

 

[The Homelander]

Carbs scare him

he doesn’t consume carbs at all i’m pretty sure

 

[itzyaboyJJ]

he doesn’t consume carbs at all i’m pretty sure

 

[thereallegend]

The high carbohydrate diet is way better than the raw diet/carnivore diet

I follow the raw primal diet by Aajonus Vonderplanitz. I get plenty of carbs from various fruits, unheated honey and raw milk.

 

[thereallegend]

Raw primal and raw vegan are two examples of raw diets that are high carb.

 

[JohnDoe]

Parasite ridden shills

 

[ey88]

cope pussy

 

[The Homelander]

cope pussy

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Not only is goatis a retard, but he’s admitted to being gay as well
this is the same guy that states right into the sun and stopped eating anything for 30 days because he felt like it, also the same guy who consumes blood

 

[unrelenting]

Raw diet - war edit

 

[The Homelander]

Raw diet - war edit

sigma

 

[Deleted member 40105]

Carbohydrates are the best and also the most hated on here

Carbs are literally the reason that human brains significantly increased in size 10,000 years ago

Eating enough carbs per day is essential especially for people that workout because their glycogen stores get depleted and they get fatigued, so carbs are the best for taking care of both of those problems
eating a lot of carbs will significantly increase muscle protein synthesis as well as a myriad of other bodily functions

didnt know chadpreet was high iq :woah:

 

[chudltn]

The high carbohydrate diet is way better than the raw diet/carnivore diet

The only reason people use to cope and justify their raw diet is because they say it has more vitamins and minerals, which is barely true and you can get even more by eating a balanced healthy diet

Also eating raw stuff is just fucking disgusting
I’m sorry, but there’s no way in hell i’m going anywhere near that infected so called “food” that’s full of bacteria and diseases that are ready to claim my soul

The best thing to do is eat as many carbs as you can while eating enough protein and fats as well, carbs are the most important macronutrient (all raw/carnivore diets heavily lack carbs)

The best thing about raw diet copers is that they can never prove me wrong when i ask them to provide evidence

tldr: eating raw food once in a while isn’t the worst thing ever but you shouldn’t overdo it

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@asdvek @itzyaboyJJ @Alias! @chudltn @Mess

Nigga did you just ragebait me or are you a fucking jew

 

[The Homelander]

Nigga did you just ragebait me or are you a fucking jew

Long live Israel! May hashem be pleased with India

 

[protomogger9873]

The high carbohydrate diet is way better than the raw diet/carnivore diet

The only reason people use to cope and justify their raw diet is because they say it has more vitamins and minerals, which is barely true and you can get even more by eating a balanced healthy diet

Also eating raw stuff is just fucking disgusting
I’m sorry, but there’s no way in hell i’m going anywhere near that infected so called “food” that’s full of bacteria and diseases that are ready to claim my soul

The best thing to do is eat as many carbs as you can while eating enough protein and fats as well, carbs are the most important macronutrient (all raw/carnivore diets heavily lack carbs)

The best thing about raw diet copers is that they can never prove me wrong when i ask them to provide evidence

tldr: eating raw food once in a while isn’t the worst thing ever but you shouldn’t overdo it

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@asdvek @itzyaboyJJ @Alias! @chudltn @Mess

Shut up hole

 

[JonHammsCousin]

Holy shit glad i finally found this thread, while scrolling this site I was starting to think i was going crazy because there is no way im eating raw eggs and liver like a caveman bro. Finally normal people with evidence.

 

[Gonthar]

All animals have a raw diet, it's just nature, humans are also animals...

 

[proxup]

The high carbohydrate diet is way better than the raw diet/carnivore diet

The only reason people use to cope and justify their raw diet is because they say it has more vitamins and minerals, which is barely true and you can get even more by eating a balanced healthy diet

Also eating raw stuff is just fucking disgusting
I’m sorry, but there’s no way in hell i’m going anywhere near that infected so called “food” that’s full of bacteria and diseases that are ready to claim my soul

The best thing to do is eat as many carbs as you can while eating enough protein and fats as well, carbs are the most important macronutrient (all raw/carnivore diets heavily lack carbs)

The best thing about raw diet copers is that they can never prove me wrong when i ask them to provide evidence

tldr: eating raw food once in a while isn’t the worst thing ever but you shouldn’t overdo it

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@asdvek @itzyaboyJJ @Alias! @chudltn @Mess

so over, do some research before you say cooked food has similiar nutrients to raw.

utterly retarded take

 

[acertyxx_]

The high carbohydrate diet is way better than the raw diet/carnivore diet

The only reason people use to cope and justify their raw diet is because they say it has more vitamins and minerals, which is barely true and you can get even more by eating a balanced healthy diet

Also eating raw stuff is just fucking disgusting
I’m sorry, but there’s no way in hell i’m going anywhere near that infected so called “food” that’s full of bacteria and diseases that are ready to claim my soul

The best thing to do is eat as many carbs as you can while eating enough protein and fats as well, carbs are the most important macronutrient (all raw/carnivore diets heavily lack carbs)

The best thing about raw diet copers is that they can never prove me wrong when i ask them to provide evidence

tldr: eating raw food once in a while isn’t the worst thing ever but you shouldn’t overdo it

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@asdvek @itzyaboyJJ @Alias! @chudltn @Mess

raw meat will fix your recession and shitty zygos!!!

But seriously, niggas preach raw meat and ignore every other food group. A balanced diet isn't normie shit, it's genuinely just science. Raw meat, raw milk, is not a cureall for your awful development.

 

[acertyxx_]

All animals have a raw diet, it's just nature, humans are also animals...

so over, do some research before you say cooked food has similiar nutrients to raw.

utterly retarded take

because raw meat will fix your awful zygos

 

[proxup]

?? my zygos are fine

because raw meat will fix your awful zygos

 

[rough]

raw diet is mega fucking cope

 

[Deleted member 141808]

The high carbohydrate diet is way better than the raw diet/carnivore diet

The only reason people use to cope and justify their raw diet is because they say it has more vitamins and minerals, which is barely true and you can get even more by eating a balanced healthy diet

Also eating raw stuff is just fucking disgusting
I’m sorry, but there’s no way in hell i’m going anywhere near that infected so called “food” that’s full of bacteria and diseases that are ready to claim my soul

The best thing to do is eat as many carbs as you can while eating enough protein and fats as well, carbs are the most important macronutrient (all raw/carnivore diets heavily lack carbs)

The best thing about raw diet copers is that they can never prove me wrong when i ask them to provide evidence

tldr: eating raw food once in a while isn’t the worst thing ever but you shouldn’t overdo it

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@asdvek @itzyaboyJJ @Alias! @chudltn @Mess

humans have been eating primarily meat for at least 4.5 million years (if u include proto-humans that preceded our current speciation), and the same was so until around 13,000 years when the agricultural revolution was OVER estimated to have begun. that is not enough time for our genes to adapt you arrogant buffoon. no further proof is required u ridiculous cunt, the flesh and associated fat is our species appropriate, species specific diet. OBVIOUSLY. absolute charlatan lmfao. watch some bart kay dude

 

[Lord Shadow]

humans have been eating primarily meat for at least 4.5 million years (if u include proto-humans that preceded our current speciation), and the same was so until around 13,000 years when the agricultural revolution was OVER estimated to have begun. that is not enough time for our genes to adapt you arrogant buffoon. no further proof is required u ridiculous cunt, the flesh and associated fat is our species appropriate, species specific diet. OBVIOUSLY. absolute charlatan lmfao. watch some bart kay dude

If eating raw meat was truly our species specific diet, we wouldn’t have needed fire, tools or evolved gut bacteria to survive it and clearly, we did.

 

[Deleted member 141808]

@The Homelander can u DM me? i genuinely want to help u. you are an absolute moron brah...

 

[Deleted member 141808]

If eating raw meat was truly our species specific diet, we wouldn’t have needed fire, tools or evolved gut bacteria to survive it and clearly, we did.

not sure what ur talking about with the gut bacteria. in terms of our stomachs acidity, this developed because humans started off as scavengers. fire was not needed genius, it just made things easier for our ancestors as we were apex, hyper carnivorous predators as evidenced in the stable isotope analysis on the collogen of the long bones of ancient human remains on a repeatable and borderline PREDICATABLE basis, all across the globe.

 

[Deleted member 141808]

If eating raw meat was truly our species specific diet, we wouldn’t have needed fire, tools or evolved gut bacteria to survive it and clearly, we did.

clearly, we didnt u arrogant imbocile. humans CAN EAT RAW MEAT, and we have been for millions of years. i know, shocker. i am not promoting the consumption of raw meat, my own beliefs have no factor. but we can if we want to.

 

[Lord Shadow]

not sure what ur talking about with the gut bacteria. in terms of our stomachs acidity, this developed because humans started off as scavengers. fire was not needed genius, it just made things easier for our ancestors as we were apex, hyper carnivorous predators as evidenced in the stable isotope analysis on the collogen of the long bones of ancient human remains on a repeatable and borderline PREDICATABLE basis, all across the globe.

You’re seriously overestimating what isotope analysis tells us it shows high trophic level consumption sure, but that includes a mix of animal and non-animal sources like seafood not a strict carnivore diet. also saying that we’re “hyper carnivorous apex predators” just isnt true when you look at the actual archaeological record like grinding stones, plant residue and evidence of cooked food go back tens of thousands of years fire wasn’t just a tool, it was a turning point in human evolution. If we were built for raw meat, we wouldn’t need to cook it to make it safe and digestible, and our gut microbiome wouldn’t look like an omnivores. also I wouldnt take Bart Kay serious like he’s a source of science when he’s just a guy yelling on YouTube

 

[Deleted member 141808]

You’re seriously overestimating what isotope analysis tells us it shows high trophic level consumption sure, but that includes a mix of animal and non-animal sources like seafood not a strict carnivore diet. also the saying that we’re “hyper-carnivorous apex predators” just isnt true when you look at the actual archaeological record like grinding stones, plant residue and evidence of cooked food go back tens of thousands of years fire wasn’t just a tool, it was a turning point in human evolution. If we were built for raw meat, we wouldn’t need to cook it to make it safe and digestible, and our gut microbiome wouldn’t look like an omnivores. also I wouldnt take Bart Kay serious like he’s a source of science when he’s just a guy yelling on YouTube

Kay is a professor in biochemistry, physiology, human nutrition etc. with over 20 years of field experience where he produced some of the main studies people use today. he is not "some guy". isotope analysis is absolute proof, idk what ur talking about but seems like a scapegoat. it is absolute, definitive proof. our stomachs are more acidic then lions, in what universe is raw meat not safe if properly sourced. our gut microbiome does not look like an omnivore in any way shape or form... btw. i suggest you look into mechanisms such as the randle cycle etc. to understand how the human digestive system and metabolism/the associated processes actually work, and it becomes obvious meat is whats most indicated.

 

[Deleted member 141808]

You’re seriously overestimating what isotope analysis tells us it shows high trophic level consumption sure, but that includes a mix of animal and non-animal sources like seafood not a strict carnivore diet. also saying that we’re “hyper carnivorous apex predators” just isnt true when you look at the actual archaeological record like grinding stones, plant residue and evidence of cooked food go back tens of thousands of years fire wasn’t just a tool, it was a turning point in human evolution. If we were built for raw meat, we wouldn’t need to cook it to make it safe and digestible, and our gut microbiome wouldn’t look like an omnivores. also I wouldnt take Bart Kay serious like he’s a source of science when he’s just a guy yelling on YouTube

and also it is absolutely true... we were eating more meat than that of lions, tigers, cheetahs and hyenas etc.. what that tells us is not only were we eating more meat then them, but we were eating them.

 

[Deleted member 141808]

You’re seriously overestimating what isotope analysis tells us it shows high trophic level consumption sure, but that includes a mix of animal and non-animal sources like seafood not a strict carnivore diet. also saying that we’re “hyper carnivorous apex predators” just isnt true when you look at the actual archaeological record like grinding stones, plant residue and evidence of cooked food go back tens of thousands of years fire wasn’t just a tool, it was a turning point in human evolution. If we were built for raw meat, we wouldn’t need to cook it to make it safe and digestible, and our gut microbiome wouldn’t look like an omnivores. also I wouldnt take Bart Kay serious like he’s a source of science when he’s just a guy yelling on YouTube

the non animal sources shown in the isotope analysis (~20% large fibrous tubers) were speculated to only be consumed during times of unsuccessful hunts and winter season. same applies with fruits, to fatten up for the winter. this does not mean that we did not suffer damage from consuming these foods when we did, also. another thing to keep in mind that the non animal foods we eat today are basically completely man made and nothing like they once were. so we cant possible be built to consume your precious plants and fruits.

 

[Lord Shadow]

Kay is a professor in biochemistry, physiology, human nutrition etc. with over 20 years of field experience where he produced some of the main studies people use today. he is not "some guy". isotope analysis is absolute proof, idk what ur talking about but seems like a scapegoat. it is absolute, definitive proof. our stomachs are more acidic then lions, in what universe is raw meat not safe if properly sourced. our gut microbiome does not look like an omnivore in any way shape or form... btw. i suggest you look into mechanisms such as the randle cycle etc. to understand how the human digestive system and metabolism/the associated processes actually work, and it becomes obvious meat is whats most indicated.

Lmao okay first Bart Kay is not a current professor at any accredited institution he hasn’t even published a peer reviewed study in years and his actual academic background is dodgy at best he’s basically a carnivore influencer now, not a working scientist so let’s not pretend he’s on the level of legit metabolic researchers in the field right now. also isotope analysis shows high tropic level consumption, not exclusive carnivorry It doesn't tell you what people ate in detail stuff like plants, seafood and megaomnivores all skew those numbers. You can’t build a whole diet theory on that and ignore the literial plant processing tools and starch residue found globally in ancient human sites. Also raw meat being "safe" if "properly sourced"? bro, that’s a fantasy meat isn’t sterile and humans don’t have the gut flora or intestinal length of true carnivores to handle constant raw meat intake without risk our microbiome, teeth and digestion all point to an omnivores adaptation, not hypercarnivory. btw if the Randle cycle convinced you that carbs are bad and meat is magical then you’ve really misunderstood its context, that mechanism explains substrate competition in fuel usage not a justification for raw liver lol

 

[Deleted member 141808]

Lmao okay first Bart Kay is not a current professor at any accredited institution he hasn’t even published a peer reviewed study in years and his actual academic background is dodgy at best he’s basically a carnivore influencer now, not a working scientist so let’s not pretend he’s on the level of legit metabolic researchers in the field right now. also isotope analysis shows high tropic level consumption, not exclusive carnivorry It doesn't tell you what people ate in detail stuff like plants, seafood, and megaomnivores all skew those numbers. You can’t build a whole diet theory on that and ignore the literial plant processing tools and starch residue found globally in ancient human sites. Also raw meat being "safe" if "properly sourced"? bro, that’s a fantasy meat isn’t sterile and humans don’t have the gut flora or intestinal length of true carnivores to handle constant raw meat intake without risk our microbiome, teeth, and digestion all point to an omnivores adaptation, not hypercarnivory. btw if the Randle cycle convinced you that carbs are bad and meat is magical then you’ve really misunderstood its context, that mechanism explains substrate competition in fuel usage not a justification for raw liver lol

for goodness sake, i never compared kay to anyone or said anything about his current workings, just his past experience. please stop the strawmanning. i also did not say the isotope analysis only showed meat consumption. again, another strawman. there are tribes today who still basically only eat raw meat. i myself have eaten raw meat for extended periods of time, along with many other better anecdotes (if they mean anything to u, which ofc, they shouldnt really). the microbiome adjusts to anything you feed it, everyones microbiome is different. our teeth do not into that of a typical carnivore because WE NEVER RAN AND BIT INTO THE ANIMAL. WE DEVELOPED TOOLS, LIKE YOU LITERALLY SAID. there was no need to develop sharp teeth. do u have any idea how the Darwinian principles of evolution work? sugar is toxic to our bodies. that is fact. that is why the cells do not let glucose (or fat) in when full of nutrients, as sugar inside the cells is extremely toxic. that sugar then clots in our blood, and the red blood cells, and to some extent veins, are sacrificial lambs, as described in the randle fucking cycle.

 

[Deleted member 141808]

Lmao okay first Bart Kay is not a current professor at any accredited institution he hasn’t even published a peer reviewed study in years and his actual academic background is dodgy at best he’s basically a carnivore influencer now, not a working scientist so let’s not pretend he’s on the level of legit metabolic researchers in the field right now. also isotope analysis shows high tropic level consumption, not exclusive carnivorry It doesn't tell you what people ate in detail stuff like plants, seafood and megaomnivores all skew those numbers. You can’t build a whole diet theory on that and ignore the literial plant processing tools and starch residue found globally in ancient human sites. Also raw meat being "safe" if "properly sourced"? bro, that’s a fantasy meat isn’t sterile and humans don’t have the gut flora or intestinal length of true carnivores to handle constant raw meat intake without risk our microbiome, teeth and digestion all point to an omnivores adaptation, not hypercarnivory. btw if the Randle cycle convinced you that carbs are bad and meat is magical then you’ve really misunderstood its context, that mechanism explains substrate competition in fuel usage not a justification for raw liver lol

and again with the last part, when the fuck did i say go eat some raw liver? organs are not good, only the flesh and associated fat (MUSCLE MEAT). we might have to agree to disagree, u seem to far gone.

 

[Lord Shadow]

for goodness sake, i never compared kay to anyone or said anything about his current workings, just his past experience. please stop the strawmanning. i also did not say the isotope analysis only showed meat consumption. again, another strawman. there are tribes today who still basically only eat raw meat. i myself have eaten raw meat for extended periods of time, along with many other better anecdotes (if they mean anything to u, which ofc, they shouldnt really). the microbiome adjusts to anything you feed it, everyones microbiome is different. our teeth do not into that of a typical carnivore because WE NEVER RAN AND BIT INTO THE ANIMAL. WE DEVELOPED TOOLS, LIKE YOU LITERALLY SAID. there was no need to develop sharp teeth. do u have any idea how the Darwinian principles of evolution work? sugar is toxic to our bodies. that is fact. that is why the cells do not let glucose (or fat) in when full of nutrients, as sugar inside the cells is extremely toxic. that sugar then clots in our blood, and the red blood cells, and to some extent veins, are sacrificial lambs, as described in the randle fucking cycle.

Bro you’re throwing around so many half baked theories at once it’s starting to feel like a 4chan thread lol. You claim I’m strawmanning you but you’re the one misrepresenting basic biology and metabolic science while shouting about darwin and sugar like it’s the boogeyman. bringing up Kay's past academic experience isn’t in question but his current content is full on ideological ranting not peer reviewed science bringing him up doesn’t help your case. anyway I'll explain like this so its easier

1. microbiome - Yes, it adapts but only within limits but we’re not blank slates. Our gut bacteria, digestive enzymes and intestinal length reflect millions of years of omnivorous eating. You can’t just override evolution by "just feeding it meat."
2. teeth/tools argument - You're kinda proving my point. If we evolved tools because our biology wasnt suited for raw meat consumption, that's not evidence of carnivory it's evidence we had to adapt around it, even tool using carnivores (like hyenas or vultures) still have meat adapted guts. We don’t
3. sugar is poison - That’s just straight up wrong glucose is literally the preferred fuel for your brain and red blood cells. The randle cycle is a substrate competition model not proof that sugar is “toxic” misusing it like that just exposes how little you actually understand about metabolic pathways.

also idk why you're tossing out words like "Darwinian principles" and "sacrificial lambs" like you know what your talking about but it’s just cope dressed in sciencey buzzwords. anyway Its late I have to get me some sleep but yeah we can agree to disagree it was a nice chat nonetheless

 

[Deleted member 141808]

Bro you’re throwing around so many half baked theories at once it’s starting to feel like a 4chan thread lol. You claim I’m strawmanning you but you’re the one misrepresenting basic biology and metabolic science while shouting about darwin and sugar like it’s the boogeyman. bringing up Kay's past academic experience isn’t in question but his current content is full on ideological ranting not peer reviewed science bringing him up doesn’t help your case. anyway I'll explain like this so its easier

1. microbiome - Yes, it adapts but only within limits but we’re not blank slates. Our gut bacteria, digestive enzymes and intestinal length reflect millions of years of omnivorous eating. You can’t just override evolution by "just feeding it meat."
2. teeth/tools argument - You're kinda proving my point. If we evolved tools because our biology wasnt suited for raw meat consumption, that's not evidence of carnivory it's evidence we had to adapt around it, even tool using carnivores (like hyenas or vultures) still have meat adapted guts. We don’t
3. sugar is poison - That’s just straight up wrong glucose is literally the preferred fuel for your brain and red blood cells. The randle cycle is a substrate competition model not proof that sugar is “toxic” misusing it like that just exposes how little you actually understand about metabolic pathways.

also idk why you're tossing out words like "Darwinian principles" and "sacrificial lambs" like you know what your talking about but it’s just cope dressed in sciencey buzzwords. anyway Its late I have to get me some sleep but yeah we can agree to disagree it was a nice chat nonetheless

yes, we did have to adapt to it. like i said, humans started as scavengers. no one knows why we came down from the trees (if u believe in that) and starting eating meat. however, we absolutely do have "meat-adapted" guts. calling the darwinian principles a buzzword does make sense, sure ill give u that. evolution is a fact, but sure its not confirmed we evolved from monkeys. when u wake up if its not a hastle, i would like to see where u got the information from regarding the "millions of years of omnivoirous eating", etc. also, glucose is not our prefered fuel source, but i dont blame you for misunderstanding. the bodies uses glucose first because excess glucose is extremely toxic. the body creates all glucose required via gluconeogenesis. and also, of course glucose oxidiation is going to occur a lot when you are consuming the fucking thing, so i get how it seems its our prefered source.i also get that u think i lack the knowledge behind my arguments, but im just trying to spare this thread. i never claimed the randle cycle was my reasoning behind sugar being toxic. i was just describing its relationship with the body's cells.

 

[Deleted member 141808]

Bro you’re throwing around so many half baked theories at once it’s starting to feel like a 4chan thread lol. You claim I’m strawmanning you but you’re the one misrepresenting basic biology and metabolic science while shouting about darwin and sugar like it’s the boogeyman. bringing up Kay's past academic experience isn’t in question but his current content is full on ideological ranting not peer reviewed science bringing him up doesn’t help your case. anyway I'll explain like this so its easier

1. microbiome - Yes, it adapts but only within limits but we’re not blank slates. Our gut bacteria, digestive enzymes and intestinal length reflect millions of years of omnivorous eating. You can’t just override evolution by "just feeding it meat."
2. teeth/tools argument - You're kinda proving my point. If we evolved tools because our biology wasnt suited for raw meat consumption, that's not evidence of carnivory it's evidence we had to adapt around it, even tool using carnivores (like hyenas or vultures) still have meat adapted guts. We don’t
3. sugar is poison - That’s just straight up wrong glucose is literally the preferred fuel for your brain and red blood cells. The randle cycle is a substrate competition model not proof that sugar is “toxic” misusing it like that just exposes how little you actually understand about metabolic pathways.

also idk why you're tossing out words like "Darwinian principles" and "sacrificial lambs" like you know what your talking about but it’s just cope dressed in sciencey buzzwords. anyway Its late I have to get me some sleep but yeah we can agree to disagree it was a nice chat nonetheless

i admit i didnt provide adequate explanations behind my attacks, i was just kind of dismissing them as being wrong without providing the why. i guess bart kay has kind of rubbed off on me, he does that a lot. anyway, thanks for the chat and i appreciate hearing ur opposing views without personal attacks (which i started lmao...). u seem like a good dude tbh.