The True Christianity

[iblamexyz]

well then do u believe that nonbelievers of jesus

go to eternal hell for the 70 years of life they lived?

No, I believe in a doctrine called soul sleep, which, if you aren't familiar with theology, Martin Luther, who revolutionised the Protestant movement, also believed in soul sleep. If you want, I can either educate you or you can do your own education in your own spare time.

 

[iblamexyz]

well then do u believe that nonbelievers of jesus

go to eternal hell for the 70 years of life they lived?

And for the record, I think you're referring to purgatory. No, I don't believe in purgatory. I think it's a heretical doctrine, but each to their own.

 

[greycel]

Full?

Nah I’m mixed, a few different ethnicities. Primarily Persian by far

Trust me, lil nigga, I know more theology than the majority of the users (probs) and more than people think I do.

Furthermore, I know theology than the majority of people at church (youth bible study etc) probably think im retard without talking to me first.

And to put it simply, I'm a religious hermit who's a neet @Knight

I found it funny that you thought that I wasn't really a Christian. Either I don't convey that in my posts, or that I don't show off as a real Christian, whatever that would mean.

By NO means do I know everything, I'm only learning, and if this message seems prideful, forgive me for that.

Detailed response, interesting
Why would you think I’m doubting you? Would there be a reason to?

I appreciate your kindness bro. I just want you to know, ultimately your awareness, just like “everybody” else’s, will be God-centred
Realising it in the absolute Present would be confirming how much shorter the journey is

 

[6footislaw]

No, I believe in a doctrine called soul sleep, which, if you aren't familiar with theology, Martin Luther, who revolutionised the Protestant movement, also believed in soul sleep. If you want, I can either educate you or you can do your own education in your own spare time.

Educate me like who is the main god in this and how does hell look like etc.

My pov is that-
Without reincarnation, much of life’s inequality (talent, luck, suffering) looks meaningless. With reincarnation , existence appears ordered and just.

If we accept that the soul survives death (immortality), then it would be arbitrary to think it only exists after birth, not before.

Human beings grow in moral and intellectual maturity over centuries

But one lifetime is too short for this development.

Reincarnation provides the necessary time.

Some children seem born with wisdom, fear, habits, or skills they never learned.

These are karmic carry-overs from past lives.


Because mainstream christianity believes in-

U dont accept Christ and go to hell FOR ETERNITY literally torture and pains FOR INFINITE for sins that would be forgiven

Or you realize

A JUST GOD WOULD ALLOW repeated oppurtunites for the growth of the soul which cannot be done in one lifetime


Idk tho im not tryna offend or anything js tryna learn different opinions i liked what Rosicrucianism preached

 

[greycel]

Educate me like who is the main god in this and how does hell look like etc.

My pov is that-
Without reincarnation, much of life’s inequality (talent, luck, suffering) looks meaningless. With reincarnation , existence appears ordered and just.

If we accept that the soul survives death (immortality), then it would be arbitrary to think it only exists after birth, not before.

Human beings grow in moral and intellectual maturity over centuries

But one lifetime is too short for this development.

Reincarnation provides the necessary time.

Some children seem born with wisdom, fear, habits, or skills they never learned.

These are karmic carry-overs from past lives.


Because mainstream christianity believes in-

U dont accept Christ and go to hell FOR ETERNITY literally torture and pains FOR INFINITE for sins that would be forgiven

Or you realize

A JUST GOD WOULD ALLOW repeated oppurtunites for the growth of the soul which cannot be done in one lifetime


Idk tho im not tryna offend or anything js tryna learn different opinions i liked what Rosicrucianism preached

They don’t provide the shortest journey to the Truth

 

[iblamexyz]

Detailed response, interesting
Why would you think I’m doubting you? Would there be a reason to?

I appreciate your kindness bro. I just want you to know, ultimately your awareness, just like “everybody” else’s, will be God-centred
Realising it in the absolute Present would be confirming how much shorter the journey is

From a traditional aspect, I can see why the users disagree with you.

but as a Protestant, honestly, I've seen you go from malding about race mixing to now creating Christian threads. Furthermore, even proclaiming and professing the name of Jesus Christ, when in the past, when I've asked you?

which God do you worship, you've always denied to answer, So I'm just over the moon to see you creating Christian threads. Whether it's heretical or not, to see you in this state is just magnificent.

And just so you're aware, when you ask Christians if they're really Christian, it can be offensive, especially when I feel like maybe I haven't done enough to represent myself as a Christian on this forum.

But also, I think that might even be a good thing because I am a degenerate on here, and I feel like I would be representing Jesus' character if we're supposed to embody him and become in one with him, almost enter a state of theosis. So I feel like by being a degenerate here, I am misrepresenting his glory and his grace.

 

[6footislaw]

They don’t provide the shortest journey to the Truth
Karma is real
Karma is not the Truth. It is the laws of this Universe
The Divine is Panentheistic

ofc its not the only truth and yea i believe it to be the laws ofc

 

[iblamexyz]

Educate me like who is the main god in this and how does hell look like etc.

My pov is that-
Without reincarnation, much of life’s inequality (talent, luck, suffering) looks meaningless. With reincarnation , existence appears ordered and just.

If we accept that the soul survives death (immortality), then it would be arbitrary to think it only exists after birth, not before.

Human beings grow in moral and intellectual maturity over centuries

But one lifetime is too short for this development.

Reincarnation provides the necessary time.

Some children seem born with wisdom, fear, habits, or skills they never learned.

These are karmic carry-overs from past lives.


Because mainstream christianity believes in-

U dont accept Christ and go to hell FOR ETERNITY literally torture and pains FOR INFINITE for sins that would be forgiven

Or you realize

A JUST GOD WOULD ALLOW repeated oppurtunites for the growth of the soul which cannot be done in one lifetime


Idk tho im not tryna offend or anything js tryna learn different opinions i liked what Rosicrucianism preached

First of all, I don't want to start with an ad hominem, but please format your texts a lot better. I don't want to be reading this spaghetti slop. At least, if you're going to have a conversation with me, learn to use paragraphs. I mean, you do it in grade school, so forgive me, first of all, for using an ad hominem, but it's atrocious. How am I supposed to read this bullshit?

First of all, I’m not really bothered by what traditional Christianity believes because there are different traditional churches anyway. So if we’re talking specifically about traditional doctrine, then sure, that’s one thing. But again, as a Protestant, we have different views.

I myself am a Pentecostal Christian. I’m not trying to overload you with theology, but when it comes to the Protestant Reformation, we believe in faith alone and scripture alone as the final authority, not the church fathers.

And if Martin Luther believed in soul sleep, then I also lean toward soul sleep because to me it’s the most logical explanation. If you want to discuss that more deeply, we can.

That being said, please explain to me how reincarnation would work from your perspective, because genuinely I don’t see how it works logically any other way.

And yes, one life is precious, but through Jesus Christ you are promised eternal life anyway.

 

[greycel]

From a traditional aspect, I can see why the users disagree with you.

but as a Protestant, honestly, I've seen you go from malding about race mixing to now creating Christian threads. Furthermore, even proclaiming and professing the name of Jesus Christ, when in the past, when I've asked you?

which God do you worship, you've always denied to answer, So I'm just over the moon to see you creating Christian threads. Whether it's heretical or not, to see you in this state is just magnificent.

And just so you're aware, when you ask Christians if they're really Christian, it can be offensive, especially when I feel like maybe I haven't done enough to represent myself as a Christian on this forum.

But also, I think that might even be a good thing because I am a degenerate on here, and I feel like I would be representing Jesus' character if we're supposed to embody him and become in one with him, almost enter a state of theosis. So I feel like by being a degenerate here, I am misrepresenting his glory and his grace.

I wasn’t trying to offend you bro.
Yeah, I mean your approach towards users here is different to most. You come with a reserved approach. Such as when you asked me, what made me change my mind
It’s very rare behaviour for a teenager. You’re quite mature

You’re also well researched on the entire range, but you don’t let on more than you feel comfortable with sharing. Already showing signs of humility at a young age

 

[6footislaw]

First of all, I don't want to start with an ad hominem, but please format your texts a lot better. I don't want to be reading this spaghetti slop. At least, if you're going to have a conversation with me, learn to use paragraphs. I mean, you do it in grade school, so forgive me, first of all, for using an ad hominem, but it's atrocious. How am I supposed to read this bullshit?

First of all, I’m not really bothered by what traditional Christianity believes because there are different traditional churches anyway. So if we’re talking specifically about traditional doctrine, then sure, that’s one thing. But again, as a Protestant, we have different views.

I myself am a Pentecostal Christian. I’m not trying to overload you with theology, but when it comes to the Protestant Reformation, we believe in faith alone and scripture alone as the final authority, not the church fathers.

And if Martin Luther believed in soul sleep, then I also lean toward soul sleep because to me it’s the most logical explanation. If you want to discuss that more deeply, we can.

That being said, please explain to me how reincarnation would work from your perspective, because genuinely I don’t see how it works logically any other way.

And yes, one life is precious, but through Jesus Christ you are promised eternal life anyway.

I wanna know what soul sleep is what you're reffering to. I searched and it said that your soul becomes unconcious and then there is a judgement day etc.

What is heaven and hell according to you?

 

[iblamexyz]

I wasn’t trying to offend you bro.
Yeah, I mean your approach towards users here is different to most. You come with a reserved approach. Such as when you asked me, what made me change my mind
It’s very rare behaviour for a teenager. You’re quite mature

You’re also well researched on the entire range, but you don’t let on more than you feel comfortable with sharing. Already showing signs of humility at a young age

Amen bhai thanks for the kind words, most user think I am a teen but I am 21yrs old this year

I am becoming an oldcel but thank you.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Trust me, lil nigga, I know more theology than the majority of the users (probs) and more than people think I do.

Furthermore, I know theology than the majority of people at church (youth bible study etc) probably think im retard without talking to me first.

And to put it simply, I'm a religious hermit who's a neet @Knight

I found it funny that you thought that I wasn't really a Christian. Either I don't convey that in my posts, or that I don't show off as a real Christian, whatever that would mean.

By NO means do I know everything, I'm only learning, and if this message seems prideful, forgive me for that.

Good man. Yet knowing does not mean we have fully served the lord's will. I might have abandoned his word but I will not abandon his eternal damination for my sins.

 

[iblamexyz]

I wanna know what soul sleep is what you're reffering to. I searched and it said that your soul becomes unconcious and then there is a judgement day etc.

What is heaven and hell according to you?

So, I don’t fully know what heaven and hell are going to be like. Not in the sense that the Bible says nothing about them, but more that scripture doesn’t give us every detail people assume it does.

For example, we know from scripture that Satan is still active in the world, walking around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, as written in 1 Peter 5:8. We also know that the final judgment has not yet happened, because Revelation speaks about a future resurrection and judgment.

What I personally lean toward is soul sleep. By that, I mean that after death, people rest in the grave until the resurrection. Scriptures like Ecclesiastes 9:5 speak about the dead “knowing nothing,” and throughout the New Testament death is often referred to as sleep. In John 5:28–29, Jesus Christ says that those in the graves will hear His voice and come out for judgment.

That being said, I know traditional churches disagree with soul sleep, and there are also verses people use to argue for immediate consciousness after death, so I’m not claiming this is undisputed doctrine.

What I do know for certain is John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” To me, that verse is central to the Gospel. Eternal life comes through Christ.

And in Matthew 7:22–23, when people say, “Did we not prophesy in Your name?” and Christ responds, “I never knew you,” I don’t think that’s teaching salvation by works. I think it shows that outward actions without genuine faith and relationship with God are meaningless. Like Paul says in James 2 is also echoed, faith without works is dead, but works come from genuine faith rather than replacing it.

That’s also why I struggle with the idea of eternal life apart from Christ. The Gospel consistently presents eternal life as something given through Christ Himself.

The way I personally view salvation is like having a debt you could never pay, and then someone steps in and pays it for you out of love. That’s how I view the sacrifice and salvation offered through Jesus Christ.

 

[iblamexyz]

Good man. Yet knowing does not mean we have fully served the lord's will. I might have abandoned his word but I will not abandon his eternal damination for my sins.

amen bhai

 

[6footislaw]

So, I don’t fully know what heaven and hell are going to be like. Not in the sense that the Bible says nothing about them, but more that scripture doesn’t give us every detail people assume it does.

For example, we know from scripture that Satan is still active in the world, walking around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, as written in 1 Peter 5:8. We also know that the final judgment has not yet happened, because Revelation speaks about a future resurrection and judgment.

What I personally lean toward is soul sleep. By that, I mean that after death, people rest in the grave until the resurrection. Scriptures like Ecclesiastes 9:5 speak about the dead “knowing nothing,” and throughout the New Testament death is often referred to as sleep. In John 5:28–29, Jesus Christ says that those in the graves will hear His voice and come out for judgment.

That being said, I know traditional churches disagree with soul sleep, and there are also verses people use to argue for immediate consciousness after death, so I’m not claiming this is undisputed doctrine.

What I do know for certain is John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” To me, that verse is central to the Gospel. Eternal life comes through Christ.

And in Matthew 7:22–23, when people say, “Did we not prophesy in Your name?” and Christ responds, “I never knew you,” I don’t think that’s teaching salvation by works. I think it shows that outward actions without genuine faith and relationship with God are meaningless. Like Paul says in James 2 is also echoed, faith without works is dead, but works come from genuine faith rather than replacing it.

That’s also why I struggle with the idea of eternal life apart from Christ. The Gospel consistently presents eternal life as something given through Christ Himself.

The way I personally view salvation is like having a debt you could never pay, and then someone steps in and pays it for you out of love. That’s how I view the sacrifice and salvation offered through Jesus Christ.

If the soul becomes unconscious until resurrection, and then after one lifetime is judged into either eternal life or eternal punishment/destruction, it raises questions for me about divine justice.

People are born into radically different conditions. Some live long lives with opportunities to grow spiritually, while others die young, live in ignorance, trauma, or never fully understand God in the way others do. What if some baby was born with a defect?

How would you explain that?

Heaven and hell are not necessarily eternal destinations but states of consciousness and stages of purification. Suffering exists, but it serves growth and awakening rather than endless punishment. The soul gradually moves toward unity with the divine through experience, karma, and spiritual refinement.


I also believe in purgatory.

Purgatory or hell is where you go to work on your sins, this type of reoccurrence is slightly different from buddhist teachings of reincarnation but its still teaching the same thing but in a more accurate sense.

God did not make amputee’s. They did it to themselves and are paying for it in this life.

Without reincarnation, God would be cruel.

Now you know that God has never done anything to anyone that is bad, they have done it to themselves. Now you are free to enjoy your life with full faith in the Lord.

 

[iblamexyz]

If the soul becomes unconscious until resurrection, and then after one lifetime is judged into either eternal life or eternal punishment/destruction, it raises questions for me about divine justice.

People are born into radically different conditions. Some live long lives with opportunities to grow spiritually, while others die young, live in ignorance, trauma, or never fully understand God in the way others do.

How would you explain that?

Heaven and hell are not necessarily eternal destinations but states of consciousness and stages of purification. Suffering exists, but it serves growth and awakening rather than endless punishment. The soul gradually moves toward unity with the divine through experience, karma, and spiritual refinement.


I also believe in purgatory.

Purgatory or hell is where you go to work on your sins, this type of reoccurrence is slightly different from buddhist teachings of reincarnation but its still teaching the same thing but in a more accurate sense.

God did not make amputee’s. They did it to themselves and are paying for it in this life.

Without reincarnation, God would be cruel.

Now you know that God has never done anything to anyone that is bad, they have done it to themselves. Now you are free to enjoy your life with full faith in the Lord.

If you believe in purgatory, we wouldn’t really have an issue. As long as it’s not something I see as completely outside Christianity like universalism, I’m generally fine with people holding different doctrines.

If you want to believe in purgatory, go ahead. Personally I don’t think it can be supported from a clear biblical reading. And with reincarnation, I also don’t see how it works biblically, and I still haven’t had it properly explained to me in a way that makes sense.

From my perspective, the most logical view is that when we die, that’s it for this life. But as “blue pill” as it might sound, I also think God allows His strongest people to go through the hardest battles.

Jesus only lived 33 years, yet the impact of His ministry in those final years is greater than anything else in history.

It also hits me that people have both used the name of Jesus Christ to hurt others, and at the same time others have found real joy and transformation through Him.

It breaks my heart that God’s grace gets misused, but at the same time there are people who take the gift of life and completely devote it to Christ.

 

[DownwardGrowthCel]

Christ isn’t just an “enlightened soul” or a purified vessel. Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is God incarnate, uniquely divine. Also, saying good and evil don’t exist contradicts Christ’s teachings completely. Pride and ego are real problems, but evil is still real, sin is real, and salvation is found in God, not in dissolving yourself into “Oneness.”

 

[tcexc]

The Holy Spirit that is within you is the same Divinity that is within other Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Athiests, Animals, Plants, and so on…

It is within everyone and everything.


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@ngannou



The interpretation of Christ’s teachings have been misconstrued.

Below I’ll try my best to outline what they’re hiding from you:

1. People are under the impression you have to fear God
This is completely false.
God is legit Unconditional Love. That’s why in the 3 types of Loves Greeks had (4 if you look into CS Lewis):
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The highest form, the Infinite, is:
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2. People are under the impression that you need a middleman for your connection with God
This is completely false.
Certain denominations want to profit off you. Realise that everybody and everything has a direct, intimate relationship with the Divine
It is not found externally, but internally
It is the primordial vibration. What you would have heard as ‘The Word’


3. People are under the impression that you worship Jesus Christ as he is the Trinity.
This is partly true.
See, Jesus was a liberated soul. There have been lots of liberated souls across different cultures. Very very few liberated souls also have a purified vessel (body) that can best reflect God’s divinity. Jesus did though


So when you worship Jesus, you are worshipping a purified vessel containing pure Divinity within.
We also have this Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit that is identical to, but only part of, the Infinite God
But we aren’t liberated yet. Why?

It’s because we still have Ego

The entire point of Unconditionally Loving everybody and everything is so you recognise the Divinity in others. When you love others, you are simultaneously loving God
This destroys the Dualistic perspective you have on life
You recognise Oneness everywhere. The Oneness being the Father, the Holy Spirit

You transition from Duality —> Non-Duality

There is no Good and Evil. There is no Light and Dark. There is only a lot or no Ego
Ego is basically a blindfold that is preventing you from experiencing the Truth (achieving Liberation)


So how do you remove the blindfold of Ego?


Ego is the concept of “I am”. It is anything you attach to your functional identity
It is basically you subconsciously claiming ownership of your vessel

You work towards dissolving the Ego by:
1. internally always remembering the Divine.
2. living a life of selfless service to others, expecting nothing in return. Which is why it is imperative you be Compassionate anonymously


After which, the residual trace Ego is removed by God’s Grace

wanna debate sola scriptura? It seems like ur non denominational or just protestant or something lmfao

 

[kisslessvirgin]

are you catholic