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Basically there are too many impressionable teens on this site that think you can get huge natty because their favorite fitness YouTubers claim natty when 99% of them are on roids.
If you want to get an idea of where the true natty limit is, you have to look at bodybuilders that were active in the 1800s and very early 1900s, BEFORE SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE AND OTHER ROIDS WERE INVENTED CIRCA 1935
Eugen Sandow
George Hackenschmidt
If they're under 12% bodyfat and look bigger than the guys above, they are juicing. Period. Especially if they haven't been training for over 5 years.
If you want to get an idea of where the true natty limit is, you have to look at bodybuilders that were active in the 1800s and very early 1900s, BEFORE SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE AND OTHER ROIDS WERE INVENTED CIRCA 1935
Eugen Sandow
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![http://www.ordinary-joe-muscle-building.com/images/mighty-sandow.jpg http://www.ordinary-joe-muscle-building.com/images/mighty-sandow.jpg](/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ordinary-joe-muscle-building.com%2Fimages%2Fmighty-sandow.jpg&hash=839f5bf83e84d71d7bc59ebcab20acd2)
George Hackenschmidt
![https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FzMqw2p0v3A/WrSHQKR9LDI/AAAAAAAAPq0/h_NkJ6A1f_UelfDroXI2dJXtDwtHnneEQCLcBGAs/s1600/Early_bodybuilders%2B%25285%2529.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FzMqw2p0v3A/WrSHQKR9LDI/AAAAAAAAPq0/h_NkJ6A1f_UelfDroXI2dJXtDwtHnneEQCLcBGAs/s1600/Early_bodybuilders%2B%25285%2529.jpg](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-FzMqw2p0v3A%2FWrSHQKR9LDI%2FAAAAAAAAPq0%2Fh_NkJ6A1f_UelfDroXI2dJXtDwtHnneEQCLcBGAs%2Fs1600%2FEarly_bodybuilders%252B%2525285%252529.jpg&hash=c2c758bd3081dd430913e47c70fba1c3)
If they're under 12% bodyfat and look bigger than the guys above, they are juicing. Period. Especially if they haven't been training for over 5 years.
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