The Truth on insulin and hgh

[übermog]

btw 20 04 2008 if u dont use peg mgf ur hgh will have less effect the mgf enables tthe muscles to use igf1 better

 

[übermog]

I like you nigga

hsomebody from a bodybuilding forum jsut told me 30 iu lantus per day is coma?

 

[Donkeyballs]

Anything more than 3 iu is useless in my opinion

Yup, that’s the reason why 3IU is the most common dose for ISS. Only difference is that this is pharma genotropin

 

[übermog]

@20/04/2008 so 30 iu lantus and how many carbs do i have to eat for 30 iu lantus?

 

[übermog]

i read some of it again and was looking more into insulin hgh igf1 today, i honestly dont want to bother with researching even more into this topic, can youi just tell me what insulin hgh and igf1 lr3 dosage at what time and how many carbs for hyperplasia and bone growth etc thank you

 

[übermog]

Anything more than 3 iu is useless in my opinion

https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-de...day-heightmaxers-gtfih.1084016/#post-17256601 thoughts on this?

 

[übermog]

I am on 7iu eod right now and honestly it just serves as a secondary to the other steroids like helping insomnia for tren and making my skin look better. If anyone is using hgh purely for muscle growth without insulin they are retarded

so what should i do? 10 iu hgh 30iu lantus?

 

[TwoFace]

so what should i do? 10 iu hgh 30iu lantus?

for height just do hgh and start low amp up till you start having side affects then go down to where your good remember to check blood glucose fasted in the morning about 2x a week

for muscle I would start with real steroids first

 

[grysonbit]

do u think test+hgh would have good physique effects or would it largely just be the test

 

[übermog]

do u think test+hgh would have good physique effects or would it largely just be the test

hgh has huge effects on physique, the difference is that hgh makes hyperplasia nad not hypertrophy

 

[DORIAN]

hgh has huge effects on physique, the difference is that hgh makes hyperplasia nad not hypertrophy

Does both.

 

[DORIAN]

do u think test+hgh would have good physique effects or would it largely just be the test

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

 

[DORIAN]

Everyone knows GH is deleterious to hba1c

HbA1c-(IFCC) on about 70 iu of generic HGH a day, btw.

I recommend everyone who has read this thread also read this post so as to not have an incorrect understanding:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

Bloodwork here: https://www.enhancedbb.com/bloodwork-update-november-2024/.

HGH+AAS also, in my personal experience, produces far more anabolism than AAS solo. Do bear in mind that HGH solo for muscle building is largely a waste (at these levels, anyway), but "HGH+AAS no insulin" isn't, in the same way that "AAS solo" isn't. I can explain non-anecdotally why the thread is wrong, but only if it's worthwhile and you are interested.

@NZb6Air
@Dyorotic
@halloweed
@MA_ascender
@ey88
@Jonas2k7

IGF-1 test may come later.

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @

@20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

 

[Dyorotic]

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HbA1c-(IFCC) on about 70 iu of generic HGH a day, btw.

I recommend everyone who has read this thread also read this post so as to not have an incorrect understanding:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

Bloodwork here: https://www.enhancedbb.com/bloodwork-update-november-2024/.

HGH+AAS also, in my personal experience, produces far more anabolism than AAS solo. Do bear in mind that HGH solo for muscle building is largely a waste (at these levels, anyway), but "HGH+AAS no insulin" isn't, in the same way that "AAS solo" isn't. I can explain non-anecdotally why the thread is wrong, but only if it's worthwhile and you are interested.

@NZb6Air
@Dyorotic
@halloweed
@MA_ascender
@ey88
@Jonas2k7

IGF-1 test may come later.

Wait is this you? You're taking 70iu a day?

 

[DORIAN]

Wait is this you? You're taking 70iu a day?

Yes. This is likely my final blast, though. I might be permanently done with this stuff after this.

 

[Dyorotic]

Yes. This is likely my final blast, though. I might be permanently done with this stuff after this.

Holy fuck dude how do you feel on 70iu?

 

[DORIAN]

Holy fuck dude how do you feel on 70iu?

A bit like death, honestly. I think the point of inverse returns for strictly muscle growth is a bit higher.

Here's a post about it: https://looksmax.org/threads/for-th...y-affect-your-cognition.1194422/post-17818857.

 

[Dyorotic]

A bit like death, honestly. I think the point of inverse returns for strictly muscle growth is a bit higher.

Here's a post about it: https://looksmax.org/threads/for-th...y-affect-your-cognition.1194422/post-17818857.

I hope you're on nebivolol/propranolol and do cardio frequently

 

[DORIAN]

I hope you're on nebivolol/propranolol and do cardio frequently

Telmisartan seems to be handling all sufficiently for now; however, nebivolol would be used if things got worse; nebivolol is better than propranolol in muscle building context due to cardioselectivity (targeting of beta-1 receptors and keeps beta-2 — RE fatigue reduction via energy efficiency, oxygen, etc..), NO-mediated vasodilation (endothelial function and recovery benefit), minimal impact on glycogen metabolism, and beta-2 anabolic signalling preservation. I don’t do cardio specific stuff (other than walking) as I barely have enough energy to recover from training, but that is probably changing soon.

Had RHR and HRV problems but stabilised and reversing.

 

[Dyorotic]

Telmisartan seems to be handling all sufficiently for now; however, nebivolol would be used if things got worse; nebivolol is better than propranolol in muscle building context due to cardioselectivity (targeting of beta-1 receptors and keeps beta-2 — RE fatigue reduction via energy efficiency, oxygen, etc..), NO-mediated vasodilation (endothelial function and recovery benefit), minimal impact on glycogen metabolism, and beta-2 anabolic signalling preservation. I don’t do cardio specific stuff (other than walking) as I barely have enough energy to recover from training, but that is probably changing soon.

Had RHR and HRV problems but stabilised and reversing.

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Your heart rate is better than mine and I do 30 mins of low intensity cardio a day + 100mg of propranolol at night and 5mg of nebivolol EOD.

I'm pretty sure I'm just genetically fucked up. SR9009 helps with cardiomegaly and also lipids too, look into it.

 

[20/04/2008]

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

i myself use lantus slin at 30 iu in the morning
This thread talk about how useless hgh is for muscle building

 

[20/04/2008]

Also brw im really a fan of your work
And sorry for delaying the thread about HIt vs high volume i just got lazy
Also why don’t you run orals ????
And can you send me your physique pic of someone whi use 6g of Aas with 70 iu of hgh holy fuck

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

 

[übermog]

Does both.

yes but it makes more hyperplasia and hypertrophy goes away after some time, hyperplasia doesnt

 

[DORIAN]

Also brw im really a fan of your work

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Also why don’t you run orals ????

What would the upside be? I don’t really see a reason for taking orals when injectables are simply superior for long-term growth. The goal is to make the most progress, not to boost performance acutely at the cost of cutting total duration of blasting short.

And can you send me your physique pic

No. I’m not posting myself here — sorry.

This thread talk about how useless hgh is for muscle building

It isn’t.

 

[DNRDniggerking]

Insulin mogs
Hgh is overrated for muscle growth

I just got into the whole insulin-hgh thing and will read your wall later but since you say hgh isnt all that would an average dose of mk 677 to secrete gh alongside insulin be a good idea? talking purely from muscle growth and bodybuilding persepctive.

 

[DORIAN]

hgh isnt all that

Ignore that.

 

[DNRDniggerking]

Ignore that.

heard a couple of people throw around studies that igf-1 causes no muscle growth whatsoever

 

[DORIAN]

heard a couple of people throw around studies that igf-1 causes no muscle growth whatsoever

Send, please (if they don't include at least moderate doses of AAS and HGH, they're largely irrelevant to this conversation).

 

[20/04/2008]

i read some of it again and was looking more into insulin hgh igf1 today, i honestly dont want to bother with researching even more into this topic, can youi just tell me what insulin hgh and igf1 lr3 dosage at what time and how many carbs for hyperplasia and bone growth etc thank you

SORRY DIDNT GET THE NOTIFICATION
just pm me niggga im gonn answear

 

[20/04/2008]

Thank you. I appreciate that.


What would the upside be? I don’t really see a reason for taking orals when injectables are simply superior for long-term growth. The goal is to make the most progress, not to boost performance acutely at the cost of cutting total duration of blasting short.


No. I’m not posting myself here — sorry.


It isn’t.

Bro show me 1 study where hgh have shown significant mucle growth
Not weight gain
Muscle tissue

 

[DORIAN]

Bro show me 1 study where hgh have shown significant mucle growth
Not weight gain
Muscle tissue

Read what I wrote before writing stuff like this. It’s getting tiresome correcting all your mistakes and then also having to answer your questions which come from not paying attention.

Where have I ever said HGH by itself causes such anabolism? So why would I find you a study that shows something I never said in the first place?

HGH+AAS is significantly more anabolic than AAS solo.

That is what I said. Several times over.

HGH+AAS also, in my personal experience, produces far more anabolism than AAS solo. Do bear in mind that HGH solo for muscle building is largely a waste (at these levels, anyway), but "HGH+AAS no insulin" isn't, in the same way that "AAS solo" isn't. I can explain non-anecdotally why the thread is wrong, but only if it's worthwhile and you are interested.

How clearly do I have to repeat the same thing over and over again?

I give free advice to people who listen. If you want to badger me with silly questions and post nonsense on this forum, I’m not going to spend my time entertaining that for free.

I don’t mean any disrespect.

 

[DORIAN]

Holy fuck dude how do you feel on 70iu?

Part of the reason I could even handle 70iu was due to desensitisation to HGH (suspected). Partially driven by injection frequency (for lipolysis maximisation), again simply suspected but not confirmed. I figured this out after getting my IGF-1 test results back.

There’s a very interesting thread to be written on this topic. I’ve already messaged my clients about this.

Here’s a paper touching on HGH administration and its significance; although the application isn’t the same as here, I still found it quite useful.

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/87/8/3573/2846550

 

[20/04/2008]

Read what I wrote before writing stuff like this. It’s getting tiresome correcting all your mistakes and then also having to answer your questions which come from not paying attention.

Where have I ever said HGH by itself causes such anabolism? So why would I find you a study that shows something I never said in the first place?

HGH+AAS is significantly more anabolic than AAS solo.

That is what I said. Several times over.

How clearly do I have to repeat the same thing over and over again?

I give free advice to people who listen. If you want to badger me with silly questions and post nonsense on this forum, I’m not going to spend my time entertaining that for free.

I don’t mean any disrespect.

Ok show me counter study where it shows hgh+aas is more anabolic than aas alone
The only studies i foud show that hgh help minivaye aas sides but no study showed that hgh helped with myscle growth or synergy with Aas
And yes i did read your response it just kept bugging me

 

[20/04/2008]

Part of the reason I could even handle 70iu was due to desensitisation to HGH (suspected). Partially driven by injection frequency (for lipolysis maximisation), again simply suspected but not confirmed. I figured this out after getting my IGF-1 test results back.

There’s a very interesting thread to be written on this topic. I’ve already messaged my clients about this.

Here’s a paper touching on HGH administration and its significance; although the application isn’t the same as here, I still found it quite useful.

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/87/8/3573/2846550

They already writed a thread about this

hGH desensitization: Why you may not want to inject hGH everyday (heightmaxers GTFIH)

Prevention of Growth Deceleration after Withdrawal of Growth Hormone Therapy in Idiopathic Short Stature Meir Lampit, Ze’ev Hochberg. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Volume 87, Issue 8, 1 August 2002, Pages 3573–3577. Published 01 August 2002. The treatment of children with...

looksmax.org

 

[DORIAN]

Ok show me counter study where it shows hgh+aas is more anabolic than aas alone
The only studies i foud show that hgh help minivaye aas sides but no study showed that hgh helped with myscle growth or synergy with Aas
And yes i did read your response it just kept bugging me

Okay, I will look for one when I have time, but I’ve been busier the last few weeks and think I will be busy for the next few months, so I’m posting less. I'm really only keeping up with existing clients.

Do remind me if more than a few months pass.

 

[DORIAN]

They already writed a thread about this

hGH desensitization: Why you may not want to inject hGH everyday (heightmaxers GTFIH)

Prevention of Growth Deceleration after Withdrawal of Growth Hormone Therapy in Idiopathic Short Stature Meir Lampit, Ze’ev Hochberg. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Volume 87, Issue 8, 1 August 2002, Pages 3573–3577. Published 01 August 2002. The treatment of children with...

looksmax.org

Ah cool. Thanks for sending.

 

[20/04/2008]

Read what I wrote before writing stuff like this. It’s getting tiresome correcting all your mistakes and then also having to answer your questions which come from not paying attention.

Where have I ever said HGH by itself causes such anabolism? So why would I find you a study that shows something I never said in the first place?

HGH+AAS is significantly more anabolic than AAS solo.

That is what I said. Several times over.

How clearly do I have to repeat the same thing over and over again?

I give free advice to people who listen. If you want to badger me with silly questions and post nonsense on this forum, I’m not going to spend my time entertaining that for free.

I don’t mean any disrespect.

Says i post nonsense
Then say he means no disrespect
Wow your fucking elon musk you can’t spend 5min responding to someone comon this sire is all about contribution
Their is 2 theories
Either your an gymbro who just got information from anecdotes
Or you have multiple studies and you don’t wanna share them cuz your an asshole
And both are bad
So pls “show us some of that knowledge of yours”

 

[20/04/2008]

Okay, I will look for one when I have time, but I’ve been busier the last few weeks and think I will be busy for the next few months, so I’m posting less. I'm really only keeping up with existing clients.

Do remind me if more than a few months pass.

I mean bro come on
You don’t have 30 min to spare

 

[DORIAN]

I mean bro come on
You don’t have 30 min to spare

It’s not that I don’t have 30 mins to spare; it’s that I’d rather spend them on something that has positive ROI or is enjoyable rather than reading through studies on a Friday for someone who isn’t my client whilst I’m otherwise busy. If you had asked me a couple of months ago, I would have gladly taken the time to send for free, but my life is busier now (you can check my profile activity if you want and see that I am barely even checking this forum now), maybe temporarily maybe not. So do just remind me if I take a very long time to get back to you.

Okay, I will look for one when I have time, but I’ve been busier the last few weeks and think I will be busy for the next few months, so I’m posting less. I'm really only keeping up with existing clients.

Do remind me if more than a few months pass.

It’ll probably be sooner than months, btw.

 

[tonsack]

If your short on money yes
Just don’t go over 30 iu
And use long acting one cause they increase igf-1 the most preferably lantus it mogs

couldnt i just limit sugar so my insulin isnt constantly being used?

 

[20/04/2008]

couldnt i just limit sugar so my insulin isnt constantly being used?

Do bloods

 

[tonsack]

Do bloods

as in get blood work done ???