The Truth on insulin and hgh

[übermog]

btw 20 04 2008 if u dont use peg mgf ur hgh will have less effect the mgf enables tthe muscles to use igf1 better

 

[übermog]

I like you nigga

hsomebody from a bodybuilding forum jsut told me 30 iu lantus per day is coma?

 

[Donkeyballs]

Anything more than 3 iu is useless in my opinion

Yup, that’s the reason why 3IU is the most common dose for ISS. Only difference is that this is pharma genotropin

 

[übermog]

@20/04/2008 so 30 iu lantus and how many carbs do i have to eat for 30 iu lantus?

 

[übermog]

i read some of it again and was looking more into insulin hgh igf1 today, i honestly dont want to bother with researching even more into this topic, can youi just tell me what insulin hgh and igf1 lr3 dosage at what time and how many carbs for hyperplasia and bone growth etc thank you

 

[übermog]

Anything more than 3 iu is useless in my opinion

https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-de...day-heightmaxers-gtfih.1084016/#post-17256601 thoughts on this?

 

[übermog]

I am on 7iu eod right now and honestly it just serves as a secondary to the other steroids like helping insomnia for tren and making my skin look better. If anyone is using hgh purely for muscle growth without insulin they are retarded

so what should i do? 10 iu hgh 30iu lantus?

 

[TwoFace]

so what should i do? 10 iu hgh 30iu lantus?

for height just do hgh and start low amp up till you start having side affects then go down to where your good remember to check blood glucose fasted in the morning about 2x a week

for muscle I would start with real steroids first

 

[grysonbit]

do u think test+hgh would have good physique effects or would it largely just be the test

 

[übermog]

do u think test+hgh would have good physique effects or would it largely just be the test

hgh has huge effects on physique, the difference is that hgh makes hyperplasia nad not hypertrophy

 

[DORIAN]

hgh has huge effects on physique, the difference is that hgh makes hyperplasia nad not hypertrophy

Does both.

 

[DORIAN]

do u think test+hgh would have good physique effects or would it largely just be the test

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

 

[DORIAN]

Everyone knows GH is deleterious to hba1c

HbA1c-(IFCC) on about 70 iu of generic HGH a day, btw.

I recommend everyone who has read this thread also read this post so as to not have an incorrect understanding:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

Bloodwork here: https://www.enhancedbb.com/bloodwork-update-november-2024/.

HGH+AAS also, in my personal experience, produces far more anabolism than AAS solo. Do bear in mind that HGH solo for muscle building is largely a waste (at these levels, anyway), but "HGH+AAS no insulin" isn't, in the same way that "AAS solo" isn't. I can explain non-anecdotally why the thread is wrong, but only if it's worthwhile and you are interested.

@NZb6Air
@Dyorotic
@halloweed
@MA_ascender
@ey88
@Jonas2k7

IGF-1 test may come later.

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @

@20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

 

[Dyorotic]

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HbA1c-(IFCC) on about 70 iu of generic HGH a day, btw.

I recommend everyone who has read this thread also read this post so as to not have an incorrect understanding:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

Bloodwork here: https://www.enhancedbb.com/bloodwork-update-november-2024/.

HGH+AAS also, in my personal experience, produces far more anabolism than AAS solo. Do bear in mind that HGH solo for muscle building is largely a waste (at these levels, anyway), but "HGH+AAS no insulin" isn't, in the same way that "AAS solo" isn't. I can explain non-anecdotally why the thread is wrong, but only if it's worthwhile and you are interested.

@NZb6Air
@Dyorotic
@halloweed
@MA_ascender
@ey88
@Jonas2k7

IGF-1 test may come later.

Wait is this you? You're taking 70iu a day?

 

[DORIAN]

Wait is this you? You're taking 70iu a day?

Yes. This is likely my final blast, though. I might be permanently done with this stuff after this.

 

[Dyorotic]

Yes. This is likely my final blast, though. I might be permanently done with this stuff after this.

Holy fuck dude how do you feel on 70iu?

 

[DORIAN]

Holy fuck dude how do you feel on 70iu?

A bit like death, honestly. I think the point of inverse returns for strictly muscle growth is a bit higher.

Here's a post about it: https://looksmax.org/threads/for-th...y-affect-your-cognition.1194422/post-17818857.

 

[Dyorotic]

A bit like death, honestly. I think the point of inverse returns for strictly muscle growth is a bit higher.

Here's a post about it: https://looksmax.org/threads/for-th...y-affect-your-cognition.1194422/post-17818857.

I hope you're on nebivolol/propranolol and do cardio frequently

 

[DORIAN]

I hope you're on nebivolol/propranolol and do cardio frequently

Telmisartan seems to be handling all sufficiently for now; however, nebivolol would be used if things got worse; nebivolol is better than propranolol in muscle building context due to cardioselectivity (targeting of beta-1 receptors and keeps beta-2 — RE fatigue reduction via energy efficiency, oxygen, etc..), NO-mediated vasodilation (endothelial function and recovery benefit), minimal impact on glycogen metabolism, and beta-2 anabolic signalling preservation. I don’t do cardio specific stuff (other than walking) as I barely have enough energy to recover from training, but that is probably changing soon.

Had RHR and HRV problems but stabilised and reversing.

 

[Dyorotic]

Telmisartan seems to be handling all sufficiently for now; however, nebivolol would be used if things got worse; nebivolol is better than propranolol in muscle building context due to cardioselectivity (targeting of beta-1 receptors and keeps beta-2 — RE fatigue reduction via energy efficiency, oxygen, etc..), NO-mediated vasodilation (endothelial function and recovery benefit), minimal impact on glycogen metabolism, and beta-2 anabolic signalling preservation. I don’t do cardio specific stuff (other than walking) as I barely have enough energy to recover from training, but that is probably changing soon.

Had RHR and HRV problems but stabilised and reversing.

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Your heart rate is better than mine and I do 30 mins of low intensity cardio a day + 100mg of propranolol at night and 5mg of nebivolol EOD.

I'm pretty sure I'm just genetically fucked up. SR9009 helps with cardiomegaly and also lipids too, look into it.

 

[20/04/2008]

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

i myself use lantus slin at 30 iu in the morning
This thread talk about how useless hgh is for muscle building

 

[20/04/2008]

Also brw im really a fan of your work
And sorry for delaying the thread about HIt vs high volume i just got lazy
Also why don’t you run orals ????
And can you send me your physique pic of someone whi use 6g of Aas with 70 iu of hgh holy fuck

The thread is largely wrong.
I address this here:

Stack Update November 2024 - EnhancedBB

I use 5cc syringes, so this is going to be a bit approximate. These AAS are pinned every 3 or 6 days roughly. The issues from pinning a lot of oils ED plus high frequency HGH pinning just makes pinning AAS ED not worth it for me: 6cc Sustanon (mix of testosterone esters) ∼3500/week Every 3

www.enhancedbb.com

"Addressing Insulin and HGH+AAS:
I recently talked to someone about the relationship of insulin and HGH+AAS, and it seems there is a misunderstanding about the role of insulin here. If you have no major insulin bottleneck (e.g. optimal bg whilst running high doses of HGH), you will benefit from enormous increases in anabolism from adding in HGH much more than from AAS solo, even without exogenous insulin if you avoid insulin resistance (as I have for now — no insulin, no metformin and 4.2 mmol/l blood glucose level about 2 hours postprandial) and about ~70 of generic HGH a day (decreasing soon). Some people develop significant insulin resistance from HGH quickly; some do not. Frequency, age, diet, health, lifestyle, and genetics all affect this. You do NOT need exogenous insulin or even metformin to benefit from HGH (including hypertrophy and hyperplasia-wise, not simply via recovery and so forth); if you have a bottleneck or are absolutely maximising everything, then it will lead to more results, but the jump from AAS to AAS+HGH is massive and not simply due to recovery/sleep/synergy as some believe. It is significantly more anabolic than AAS alone. If there is enough interest, I may write a post on this."

I've interacted with @20/04/2008 before, and he seems like a nice guy and well-intentioned, but he makes a lot of mistakes and can be inaccurate (as is the case with the thread here and here): https://looksmax.org/threads/bodybu...your-pro-card-version-1.1107824/post-17810394.

 

[übermog]

Does both.

yes but it makes more hyperplasia and hypertrophy goes away after some time, hyperplasia doesnt