the trvthnvke about "female gaze", prettyboys & Gen Z masculinity (foid blocked me)

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Bro got rejected by one girl that is into a niche type of guys and is sperging out on the forum

If all of this was true I wouldn't have half the success I have dating. Poll data show that most women find a lean physique the most attractive similar to brad pitt in fight club. Bulky muscular types don't do that well and body builders do the worst. However, since there are less muscular bulky men and more women that find them attractive (a niche) those muscular types do well for themselves but it does not have mass appeal.

This is best body type for mass appeal:

Most women find this already too much:

Also older women are into 'pretty boys' or pretty features on men, don't get fooled. They want the 'masculine' provider and cheats with the pretty boy.

 

[Pento]

There might be some truths here but OP is a bluepilled tradcuck. “Masculinity” always been a tradcuck cope. Masculinity means traits that benefit a woman and that are accepted by traditional culture that enslaves men. It has nothing to do with strength and traits that benefit the man himself. I don’t want to be a cuck like OP. “And I have a brief story about how some random 24 yo girl brutally blackpilled me on masculinity: she told me she wants to submit to the strongest man she finds.” Yeah a woman in epiphany phase is definitely a good source of info for what they find attractive lol. She’s obviously looking for a provider. Might as well ask 30yo woman next time lol. Masculinity=betabuxx. You”ve been scammed.

based

 

[hopecel]

Bro got rejected by one girl that is into a niche type of guys and is sperging out on the forum

If all of this was true I wouldn't have half the success I have dating. Poll data show that most women find a lean physique the most attractive similar to brad pitt in fight club. Bulky muscular types don't do that well and body builders do the worst. However, since there are less muscular bulky men and more women that find them attractive (a niche) those muscular types do well for themselves but it does not have mass appeal.

This is best body type for mass appeal:
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that's the ideal physique until a guy with the exact same face and bigger muscles enters the room

also..
>poll data show

most bluepilled thing you could say women are LYING, they say they don't want "too tall guys" but once a basketball player walks in, we're all invisible

Most women find this already too much:

that's bare minimum to be considered a real man by femoids

Also older women are into 'pretty boys' or pretty features on men, don't get fooled. They want the 'masculine' provider and cheats with the pretty boy.

LMFAO in what universe?

foids cheat on with roidcels and tallfags, not with some tiny pretty princess from TikTok lol

based

read the thread again, I was talking about masculine features not betabuxxing lol

 

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that's the ideal physique until a guy with the exact same face and bigger muscles enters the room

also..
>poll data show

most bluepilled thing you could say women are LYING, they say they don't want "too tall guys" but once a basketball player walks in, we're all invisible

that's bare minimum to be considered a real man by femoids

LMFAO in what universe?

foids cheat on with roidcels and tallfags, not with some tiny pretty princess from TikTok lol

read the thread again, I was talking about masculine features not betabuxxing lol

Poll data is different than doing street interviews whereby cameras point to your face, ofc they virtue signal in that situation, especially women since they put value on what people think of them.

However, data shows they prefer height and prefer lean and muscular, definitely not body builder type. It is unnatural and signals hormonal deficiency evolutionarily speaking women don't go for men with hormonal deficiency especially not in this manner since it can mean death to her or her offspring if the man got angry.

Also lean and muscular is aesthetic as fuck, why wouldn't they prefer it? If they wanted to lie or virtue signal the majority would have chosen the dad bod (flabby belly). In fact, most chose that one rather than the body builder type.

This is not blue pill dude, it is basic facts.

And also there are plenty of women that don't lie, there are so many videos online of women shitting on short guys and explaining how they prefer tall guys, why would they go out of their way to lie about body type -- especially on an anonomious poll? The world isn't black and white, your thinking clearly lacks nuance.

And women cheat with the pretty boy next door not the roided gymcel, and often those guys wonder 'why'. Just look at how many videos there are of older women publically assaulting justin bieber. It is such a myth that women and even more so that older women prefer ogre type of guys. They all prefer a good looking man, and those gym ogres are not it.

Granted, the body builder niche is a real thing and does well, and people should go for it if is their thing, but it isn't universally appealing it attracts specific type of women that are escorts, use a lot of lip fillers and are into body modications, tattoos and that gym lifestyle themselves best example I can think of is Wes Watson and his fake gf Angie. You will attract those type of women, but they are unnatural and ugly imho. I'd rather attract the pretty girl next door type of beauty not fake tan, fake tits and escort type influencers.

Masculine features = beta bux fuel, it shows you are handy men and good to use for practical stuff, that's it. You are a dumb worker slave with muscle in her eyes.

 

[hopecel]

Masculine features = beta bux fuel, it shows you are handy men and good to use for practical stuff, that's it. You are a dumb worker slave with muscle in her eyes.

@St.TikTokcel

 

[copercel123]

Guys, stop adapting to this faggot TikTok beauty standards for males in 2025. It's all part of globalist agenda against masculinity. And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those redpill "alphas", I'm actually the one who always laughed at guys like Hamza, Tate, Aaron Marino etc.
They're not the epitome of masculinity, they're the epitome of fake masculinity, they're the fake alphas.



What do these guys have to do with my point? Well, the so called manosphere has been infested by those guys for years so the very idea of masculinity has become associated with them - the fake alphas. I don't have to discuss why are they fake alphas, you're all blackpilled enough to know money, cars and status can't compensate for shitty skull shape, recessed maxilla and lack of harmony. So, as we all know it, since it's water, that PSL Gods, male models, actors etc. are the actual alpha males, why did it become a trend among zoomers that feminine guys are now considered "moggers" then?

All PSL Gods are masculine to hypermasculine (as men are supposed to be). Then why did you adopt so called "female gaze"? Do you think a mogger (mog - amog - alpha male of the group) is supposed to look feminine and not dimorphic? The epitome of masculinity is a guy with pumped lips, purposely curved eyelashes, homosexually perfect skin (you're not supposed to "skin-mog" 90% of women ) and that one with zero angularity? Is that what a mogger is supposed to look like? Is that what a man is supposed to strive to?

You're not guilty. You've just been a victim of this global war on masculinity, which is wholeheartedly supported by (shocker) most modern women (who are feminist ofc). And guess what? They just see you as a good slave and a suppressed male pig. They don't find you attractive, they still drool over alpha males (actual moggers). It's only low E girls (who aren't even mature sometimes) that find your "prettyboy" looks appealing. [ofc I'm not talking about legit prettyboys who are just youthful Chads with longer hair] And most of those girls are confused about their sexuality or even gender anyway. So do you actually want to be their girlfriend with penis?

"Female gaze" is such a cope term forced by so called "prettyboymaxxers" (I used to be one as well) because there's no such thing as universal female gaze. Those guys will tell you that what "JBs" (low E skinny girls with messed up hormones) find attractive is the universal law, that it's the only type girls are attracted to... Guys, let's be honest, we all know that even "baldcels" and "gymcels" are attractive to some women, because high T men attract high E women (water). Then why tf are you supposed to appeal to low E women? Why don't you just embrace your masculinity which is what every healthy female desires (as long as you're attractive)?

That's why there's no such thing as female gaze, it's beyond stupid term. Actual female gaze is what healthy heterosexual women of any age find attractive - that is a MASCULINE MALE. No matter if he's young and beardless, early middle-aged with a stubble or an oldcel with no hair and long beard. It's just natural. And please, don't confuse youthfulness with femininity.




Gen Z guys should realise masculinity in looksmaxxing is law and everything else is cope and has anti-male roots. Don't allow them to take your masculinity.

And I have a brief story about how some random 24 yo girl brutally blackpilled me on masculinity: she told me she wants to submit to the strongest man she finds. She told me it's big muscles that matter, it's what attract her as a woman with solid feminine gymmaxxed body. So it's clear that gymmaxing isn't cope, we've just been deluded to think that because the fake alphas I mentioned misguided us. BODY MATTERS and the bigger you are the better. She didn't mention height or face, but we both know it matters as well... However, it was brutal when she asked me for my height and then weight and then she immediately stoped responding and BLOCKED ME. For the record, I'm really skinny, a bit above 140lbs. She didn't ask me if I'm "lean" or do I have 6-pack - IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

So what I learnt from her? The bigger muscles a male has the better. It's the same as for height, frame, facial bones, dick, foot size... WOMEN WANT HANDSOME AND/OR GIANTS. So stop faggotmaxxing, become a real man ffs.

inspired by @chadisbeingmade's thread:

you zoomers are so cringe

Seeing all u idiots with 🥦 hair and trying to desperately “ Mew” in the gym is hilarious, i just walked past a group of faggots and heard one of the whisper “ he definitely mews” I never wanted to grab someone so bad by the throat and choke them

looksmax.org

tags: @forevergymcelling @HeavyMetalcel @Clown Show @BoredPrince @aspiringexcel @St.TikTokcel @Debetro @Lonenely sigma @shizuku11111 @cytoplasm @Skara @Klasik616

No brainer thread

 

[hopecel]

No brainer thread

faggot hands typed this

 

[copercel123]

faggot hands typed this

Your basically saying a man need to be “only masculine” which isn’t true.

You need to focus on both having masculine and feminine features and traits to look better.

 

[hopecel]

Your basically saying a man need to be “only masculine” which isn’t true.

You need to focus on both having masculine and feminine features and traits to look better.

what feminine feature is good in males?

 

[copercel123]

what feminine feature is good in males?

Thick long lashes, clear skin, full lips, long hair,

 

[hopecel]

Thick long lashes

failo, looks fruity

clear skin

failo if you skin-mog females

full lips

faggot feature, failo

long hair

not feminine but a masculine feature

 

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failo, looks fruity

failo if you skin-mog females

faggot feature, failo

not feminine but a masculine feature

The problem is not with the features it is the language attached to those features. What he described were 'pretty' features not 'feminine' features. Women like pretty men with dimorphic features e.g. thic long eye lashes with thic dark eyebrows. Lol at the dumbasses shaving their long lashes. Less competition for me.

This masculinity shit described on here, exedues so much Wes Watson energy. The corniest clown self proclaimed 'alpha' male. This poll recently came out, right after I said they prefer dad bod over overly trained. You guys have NO clue what women want and find attractive. Keep up the masculinity hustle and you will be a PSL god on grindr. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/praise-olly-murs-bod-why-170019606.html

Men think the before looks

Data clearly says, only men find big muscles better looking. Most women care about FACE primarily not muscles. Women don't see a body transformation they see a face transformation.

 

[Shinichi]

Guys, stop adapting to this faggot TikTok beauty standards for males in 2025. It's all part of globalist agenda against masculinity. And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those redpill "alphas", I'm actually the one who always laughed at guys like Hamza, Tate, Aaron Marino etc.
They're not the epitome of masculinity, they're the epitome of fake masculinity, they're the fake alphas.



What do these guys have to do with my point? Well, the so called manosphere has been infested by those guys for years so the very idea of masculinity has become associated with them - the fake alphas. I don't have to discuss why are they fake alphas, you're all blackpilled enough to know money, cars and status can't compensate for shitty skull shape, recessed maxilla and lack of harmony. So, as we all know it, since it's water, that PSL Gods, male models, actors etc. are the actual alpha males, why did it become a trend among zoomers that feminine guys are now considered "moggers" then?

All PSL Gods are masculine to hypermasculine (as men are supposed to be). Then why did you adopt so called "female gaze"? Do you think a mogger (mog - amog - alpha male of the group) is supposed to look feminine and not dimorphic? The epitome of masculinity is a guy with pumped lips, purposely curved eyelashes, homosexually perfect skin (you're not supposed to "skin-mog" 90% of women ) and that one with zero angularity? Is that what a mogger is supposed to look like? Is that what a man is supposed to strive to?

You're not guilty. You've just been a victim of this global war on masculinity, which is wholeheartedly supported by (shocker) most modern women (who are feminist ofc). And guess what? They just see you as a good slave and a suppressed male pig. They don't find you attractive, they still drool over alpha males (actual moggers). It's only low E girls (who aren't even mature sometimes) that find your "prettyboy" looks appealing. [ofc I'm not talking about legit prettyboys who are just youthful Chads with longer hair] And most of those girls are confused about their sexuality or even gender anyway. So do you actually want to be their girlfriend with penis?

"Female gaze" is such a cope term forced by so called "prettyboymaxxers" (I used to be one as well) because there's no such thing as universal female gaze. Those guys will tell you that what "JBs" (low E skinny girls with messed up hormones) find attractive is the universal law, that it's the only type girls are attracted to... Guys, let's be honest, we all know that even "baldcels" and "gymcels" are attractive to some women, because high T men attract high E women (water). Then why tf are you supposed to appeal to low E women? Why don't you just embrace your masculinity which is what every healthy female desires (as long as you're attractive)?

That's why there's no such thing as female gaze, it's beyond stupid term. Actual female gaze is what healthy heterosexual women of any age find attractive - that is a MASCULINE MALE. No matter if he's young and beardless, early middle-aged with a stubble or an oldcel with no hair and long beard. It's just natural. And please, don't confuse youthfulness with femininity.




Gen Z guys should realise masculinity in looksmaxxing is law and everything else is cope and has anti-male roots. Don't allow them to take your masculinity.

And I have a brief story about how some random 24 yo girl brutally blackpilled me on masculinity: she told me she wants to submit to the strongest man she finds. She told me it's big muscles that matter, it's what attract her as a woman with solid feminine gymmaxxed body. So it's clear that gymmaxing isn't cope, we've just been deluded to think that because the fake alphas I mentioned misguided us. BODY MATTERS and the bigger you are the better. She didn't mention height or face, but we both know it matters as well... However, it was brutal when she asked me for my height and then weight and then she immediately stoped responding and BLOCKED ME. For the record, I'm really skinny, a bit above 140lbs. She didn't ask me if I'm "lean" or do I have 6-pack - IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

So what I learnt from her? The bigger muscles a male has the better. It's the same as for height, frame, facial bones, dick, foot size... WOMEN WANT HANDSOME AND/OR GIANTS. So stop faggotmaxxing, become a real man ffs.

inspired by @chadisbeingmade's thread:

you zoomers are so cringe

Seeing all u idiots with 🥦 hair and trying to desperately “ Mew” in the gym is hilarious, i just walked past a group of faggots and heard one of the whisper “ he definitely mews” I never wanted to grab someone so bad by the throat and choke them

looksmax.org

tags: @forevergymcelling @HeavyMetalcel @Clown Show @BoredPrince @aspiringexcel @St.TikTokcel @Debetro @Lonenely sigma @shizuku11111 @cytoplasm @Skara @Klasik616

Ok so skincare and haircare=Femininemaxxing

Got it

 

[Shinichi]

failo, looks fruity

failo if you skin-mog females

faggot feature, failo

not feminine but a masculine feature

Useless debate

 

[hopecel]

Ok so skincare and haircare=Femininemaxxing

Got it

pretty much

you don't wanna be prettier than a woman

The problem is not with the features it is the language attached to those features. What he described were 'pretty' features not 'feminine' features. Women like pretty men with dimorphic features e.g. thic long eye lashes with thic dark eyebrows. Lol at the dumbasses shaving their long lashes. Less competition for me.

women don't want you to eyelash-mog them... how can you be this delusional?

yeah bro I see females complimenting gay men all the time but it's not like they find them sexually attractive... same applies to 'pretty-sissies' twerking on TikTok muh female-gaze-maxxing = degrade your manliness

This masculinity shit described on here, exedues so much Wes Watson energy. The corniest clown self proclaimed 'alpha' male. This poll recently came out, right after I said they prefer dad bod over overly trained. You guys have NO clue what women want and find attractive. Keep up the masculinity hustle and you will be a PSL god on grindr. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/praise-olly-murs-bod-why-170019606.html

go read the thread again

I called the fake alphas out... but yeah it's still better to be that than some low T 0 sex appeal cuck with broccoli hair

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Data clearly says, only men find big muscles better looking. Most women care about FACE primarily not muscles. Women don't see a body transformation they see a face transformation.

yeah bro females are attracted to soyboy dadbods

those muscles aren't even big at all btw

WOMEN CRAVE BIG MUSCLES WIDE FRAME TALL STATURE - not every female will admit you this but all of them are attracted to all that features

 

[kwjqxlw99]

It’s all part of the plan.

It’s easier to manipulate the masses into believing that feminine men are normal and desirable than it is to confront the real issue like what the fuck is causing them to be feminine in the first place, all the microplastics, endocrine disruptors and other shit we are bombarded with. It's not in their interest to hold powerful people and corporations accountable, handing out prison sentences and admitting they lied to the public and letting this shit happen. It is more convenient for them to push soyboy celebrity figures like Tom Holland, Timothée Chalamet, Lil Nas X, and Sam Smith as idealized role models to brainwash kids.


Look at what 30 year olds actually looked like back then. It has nothing to do with this generation "looking younger" or older generations "being smokers" it is all bullshit to distract you from the fact that modern men aren't even a fraction of what our grandfathers were.

 

[hopecel]

It’s all part of the plan.

It’s easier to manipulate the masses into believing that feminine men are normal and desirable than it is to confront the real issue like what the fuck is causing them to be feminine in the first place, all the microplastics, endocrine disruptors and other shit we are bombarded with. It's not in their interest to hold powerful people and corporations accountable, handing out prison sentences and admitting they lied to the public and letting this shit happen. It is more convenient for them to push soyboy celebrity figures like Tom Holland, Timothée Chalamet, Lil Nas X, and Sam Smith as idealized role models to brainwash kids.


Look at what 30 year olds actually looked like back then. It has nothing to do with this generation "looking younger" or older generations "being smokers" it is all bullshit to distract you from the fact that modern men aren't even a fraction of what our grandfathers were.

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you almost completely understood my point, mirin high IQ

but I disagree with the last paragraph: I mean ik our T levels have been nuked for last few decades but older generations definitely used to age faster due to: smoking more, drinking more, working hard at young age and INHERITED STRESS from parents/grandparents that went through wars... this last thing about inherited stress is something I discovered lately, basically if you're enduring enormous stress and then make a baby, they will age faster than if you were living stress-free life: this makes sense why Middle Easterners and other 3rd worlders age so fast...

I tagged you under another thread, please check it out

 

[enlightful]

"because high T men attract high E women (water). Then why tf are you supposed to appeal to low E women"?

Honestly I think there's a lot more low E girls out here (in the West atleast) than we realize. It'd definitely explain why faggot looking "prettyboys" on tiktok have comment sections filled with girls thirsting over them and typing the most egregiously preverted comments I've seen in my entire bloodline. It's still far better to embrace masculinity though no amount of low E pussy will compensate for being a genuine pussy in life

 

[enlightful]

I used to feel insecure about having masculine features

Real, it's even worse when ur crushing on girls who like effeminate guys cause even if u ascend you won't be her type so she'll never like you regardless