The Ultimate pubertymaxxing guide, an introduction into androgens and growth factors, and how to apply them.

[Solidcoin]

you were SUPPOSED to end up that rather rather than that just being how it turned out.

yeah, it's impossible to distinguish

 

[Deleted member 4946]

yeah, it's impossible to distinguish

no it's quite simple to distinguish, go to your radiologist and they'll tell you exactly how much you are expected (can even give genetic potential variance of 4cm)

 

[BasedSpinelet257]

yeah, it's impossible to distinguish

Sorry I botched that last bit, didn’t even catch it until I saw this.

no it's quite simple to distinguish, go to your radiologist and they'll tell you exactly how much you are expected (can even give genetic potential variance of 4cm)

I THINK he means it’s impossible to distinguish which exact variables effect you on an individual basis in terms of the height you end up and whether or not hypermethylation will aid in your own individual and unique deficiency.

I hope at least some of what I’m saying is making sense; sometimes I really don’t know lol.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

@Strike_Poseidon you're a retard, you're not going to grow, and if you do, it won't be attributed to any form of supplementation.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

@Strike_Poseidon you're a retard, you're not going to grow, and if you do, it won't be attributed to any form of supplementation.

shut up faggot keep coping I already have grown 1.5 cm lmfao keep crying

 

[Deleted member 2756]

shut up faggot keep coping I already have grown 1.5 cm lmfao keep crying

sure cunt, again, it's not attributed to whatever you're taking, heightmaxxing is a meme, and I regret every single ml of growth hormone I ever injected, waste of money and time, not because I didn't grow, but because I can't determine whether or not I would have grown regardless, don't know why I even bothered.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

sure cunt, again, it's not attributed to whatever you're taking, heightmaxxing is a meme, and I regret every single ml of growth hormone I ever injected, waste of money and time, not because I didn't grow, but because I can't determine whether or not I would have grown regardless, don't know why I even bothered.

keep coping, that's why you are 6'1 while your brother is 6'2 after spending thousand of dollars on your cope stacks

 

[Deleted member 2756]

keep coping, that's why you are 6'1 while your brother is 6'2 after spending thousand of dollars on your cope stacks

at that height I already mog a large portion of males. I'll never be called short by women and I'll never be disrespected or looked down upon by other dudes. Growth hormone is basically metabolic poison. Also lol at "cope stacks" as if any 'stack' isn't cope, I'd get a genetic test If I were you, didn't Seth and rax already establish that it's dangerous for 35% of the population? because it has a role in the redistribution of mercury?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

at that height I already mog a large portion of males. I'll never be called short by women and I'll never be disrespected or looked down upon by other dudes. Growth hormone is basically metabolic poison. Also lol at "cope stacks" as if any 'stack' isn't cope, I'd get a genetic test If I were you, didn't Seth and rax already establish that it's dangerous for 35% of the population? because it has a role in the redistribution of mercury?

yep, that's why doctors give their patients 1600 mg for depression? I guess the cure for depression is autism and death from mercury poisioning

 

[Deleted member 2756]

yep, that's why doctors give their patients 1600 mg for depression? I guess the cure for depression is autism and death from mercury poisioning

you're retarded. That's definitely an unconventional remedy for depression. Why would a doctor prescribe such a dangerous compound when they could just prescribe actual FDA approved drugs like fluoxetine?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

you're retarded. That's definitely an unconventional remedy for depression. Why would a doctor prescribe such a dangerous compound when they could just prescribe actual FDA approved drugs like fluoxetine?

Investigating SAM-e for Depression

Dietary supplementation of SAM-e--naturally produced and physiologically necessary compound for living cells--is being investigated for its use as a viable treatment for depression.

www.psychiatrictimes.com

That's your 'dangerous' compound, an amino acid naturally found in the body jfl and yes they were given 1600 mg DAILY, it was shown to work even better than pharmaceutical antidepressants

 

[Deleted member 2756]

That's your 'dangerous' compound, an amino acid naturally found in the body jfl

I'm completely aware it is, stop undermining my knowledge. It's not used for anything clinically, because it's an endogenous molecule that is responsible for methylation cycles, the body definitely doesn't produce 2000mg daily. Stop larping as if it's used for depression, it isn't, it's been studied as a 'possible' therapeutic supplement for depressed individuals, but SSRI's will always be used.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

I'm completely aware it is, stop undermining my knowledge. It's not used for anything clinically, because it's an endogenous molecule that is responsible for methylation cycles, the body definitely doesn't produce 2000mg daily. Stop larping as if it's used for depression, it isn't, it's been studied as a 'possible' therapeutic supplement for depressed individuals, but SSRI's will always be used.

well the possible therapeutic supplement did show on that study to be better than Norpramin it was used in that trial for depression and it should good results with no bad side effects other than mild stomach pains, how about you stop larping and agreeing with retarded theories equivalent to anti vaxxers I'd love. for you to show me even ONE example of a naturally hypermethylated person who somehow had autism or mercury poisoning, that's right there is nothing cause it is bullshit

 

[Deleted member 2756]

for you to show me even ONE example of a naturally hypermethylated person who somehow had autism or mercury poisoning, that's right there is nothing cause it is bullshit

you throw 'hypermethylation' around like a ball, that's not even a fucking word, and if It is used you're not using it in the correct context.

had autism or mercury poisoning, that's right there is nothing cause it is bullshit

no one has ever suggested this you baboon, MTHFR polymorphisms lead to the inability to metabolize mercury, due to an insufficiency of folate being converted into its active form.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

you throw 'hypermethylation' around like a ball, that's not even a fucking word, and if It is used you're not using it in the correct context.

no one has ever suggested this you baboon, MTHFR polymorphisms lead to the inability to metabolize mercury, due to an insufficiency of folate being converted into its active form.

YES IT IS A WORD JFL THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NATURALLY HYPERMETHYLATED/OVERMETHYLATED LMFAO there is hypomethylation and hypermethylation and THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO ARE NATURAL OVERMETHYLATORS NONE OF THEM HAVE AUTISM OR died from mercury poisoning JFL and yes many people including seth walsh himself were talking about as he himself said 'dont risk your life by taking sam-e' so no there are far more mechanisms in the body to metabolism mercury, it doesn't rely on one gene 'MTFHR' for detoxing heavy metals

 

[Deleted member 2756]

OVERMETHYLATORS NONE OF THEM HAVE AUTISM OR died from mercury poisoning

stopped reading at this, you're a fucking moron, the polymorphism affecting the excretion of mercury is due to a disruption of the methylation pathway, not due to overmethylation. You didn't interpret what rax was saying in the other thread, nor can you interpret what I'm suggesting, smh.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

stopped reading at this, you're a fucking moron, the polymorphism affecting the excretion of mercury is due to a disruption of the methylation pathway, not due to overmethylation. You didn't interpret what rax was saying in the other thread, nor can you interpret what I'm suggesting, smh.

then why are you complaining about 'health risks' of taking sam-e, what 'disruption' are you talking about for taking 2g of sam-e (methionine)? if there even is such a thing no I'm not going to interpret such autistic posts

 

[randomguy1235]

at that height I already mog a large portion of males. I'll never be called short by women and I'll never be disrespected or looked down upon by other dudes. Growth hormone is basically metabolic poison. Also lol at "cope stacks" as if any 'stack' isn't cope, I'd get a genetic test If I were you, didn't Seth and rax already establish that it's dangerous for 35% of the population? because it has a role in the redistribution of mercury?

How is it metabolic poison? Are you implying that you'd suffer long-term consequences for the HGH doses you gave in the opening post of this thread?

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

shut up faggot keep coping I already have grown 1.5 cm lmfao keep crying

how long youve been taking the stack so far?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

how long youve been taking the stack so far?

i haven't been taking whole stack, not even half and i took it for 3 weeks and grew that

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

i haven't been taking whole stack, not even half and i took it for 3 weeks and grew that

what is missing?

 

[John McCormick]

i haven't been taking whole stack, not even half and i took it for 3 weeks and grew that

Did I miss anything? You grew? how much did you grow?

 

[Deleted member 5875]

that is to keep your methylation going, anyway i will combine it with folinic acid and folic acid it's based off xcrunner's research
2000mg SAM-e (enteric tabs only)
800 ug folinic acid
800 ug folic acid

this increases DNA methylation, loss of this occurs with endochondral ossification of the growth plates, this will keep your body in a young state always, therefore constantly in growing state

yes it'll work, i insulate it as well a bit just to the right temperature, once it is reconsituted in can last in there for a long time
People here fail to understand how important increasing DNA methylation is for the heightmaxxing stack, all these peptides and shit will exhaust your growth plate cells ability for proliferation because indirect evidence suggests that growth plate senescence occurs because stem-like cells in the growth plate resting zone have a finite proliferative capacity that is gradually exhausted, we can induce epigenetics like by taking things like SAM-E, folic acid and folinic acid: https://joe.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/joe/186/1/1860241.xml

Xcrunner tried this on 2 of his clients in his trials(ages 15 and 17), although they had inactive plates to begin with. He Gave them 2g of sam-e enteric coated tablet form plus about 500-800mcg folic acid and pure puerarin (basically weakened form of hexarelin)..today they are now both 21 and the 17 year old is now 23. The 23 year old is 6ft 3 and still growing!, he still has the same amount of facial hair since he was 17 and no hair on his legs still His plates never became inactive as a result, and the crazy thing is, his mum is 5ft 3 and dad 5ft 6. This suggests that increasing DNA methylation will make the body continue growing as it never gets physically older to realise it's time to stop increasing proliferation so fast, so this could be a way to physical anti-aging for puberty heightmaxxing

glucoasmine and chondroitin can increase the amount of proliferative chondrocytes by like 2 fold and 4 fold for free proliferative chondrocytes, MSM induces mass osteoblast differentiation. It is true, taking all of this will have synergistic effect on the open growth plates, don't just think all of this DNA methylation and chondroitin and stuff is just cope and all you need is just HGH, I am not saying you wont grow with just HGH as the numerous studies of kids with ISS treated with GH show otherwise, but this will improve final height by A LOT

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[Cope]

i haven't been taking whole stack, not even half and i took it for 3 weeks and grew that

JFL Do you still not have the full stack yet?

Someone needs to start Strike’s stack soon and keep the forum posted, hopefully some of the higher IQ members go through with this instead of users like @Chad1212 who have 5 brain cells left.

 

[Chad69]

JFL Do you still not have the full stack yet?

Someone needs to start Strike’s stack soon and keep the forum posted, hopefully some of the higher IQ members go through with this instead of users like @Chad1212 who have 5 brain cells left.

Literally kill yoursf
I never even heard about you

 

[Cope]

Literally kill yoursf
I never even heard about you

I was giving you a compliment bro

 

[Deleted member 4946]

JFL Do you still not have the full stack yet?

Someone needs to start Strike’s stack soon and keep the forum posted, hopefully some of the higher IQ members go through with this instead of users like @Chad1212 who have 5 brain cells left.

there are a few people taking it atm @goat2x didn't even take it properly and he didnt even take the full stack, he is 18 and grew 0.3cm in a month when he hasn't grown for some time

 

[Deleted member 2756]

JFL Do you still not have the full stack yet?

Someone needs to start Strike’s stack soon and keep the forum posted, hopefully some of the higher IQ members go through with this instead of users like @Chad1212 who have 5 brain cells left.

strike's a fucking moron, he's obsessed with the unobtainable.
heightmaxxing is a literal meme, most kid's with iq's beyond 100 find that out after a month or two, but strike obviously hasn't jfl.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

strike's a fucking moron, he's obsessed with the unobtainable.
heightmaxxing is a literal meme, most kid's with iq's beyond 100 find that out after a month or two, but strike obviously hasn't jfl.

ok sure appreciate all the ad hominem, no one cares if your cope GH didn't work for you and no i have 130 IQ

 

[Cope]

ok sure appreciate all the ad hominem, no one cares if your cope GH didn't work for you and no i have 130 IQ

If you want to reverse the epigenetic clock, why aren’t you considering HGH to slow down or reverse the immunosenescence?

 

[Deleted member 2756]

ok sure appreciate all the ad hominem, no one cares if your cope GH didn't work for you and no i have 130 IQ

none of the latter could be called 'ad hominem' because I wasn't engaged in an argument with you, I was just calling you a retard because you are one, and your posts are definitely not reflective of an IQ over 110, you come off as a child for the most part.

I also find it funny that all of a sudden you started saying peculiar words like 'ad hominem' right after I once used it.

It’s interesting, he wants to reverse the epigenetic clock but isn’t even considering HGH to slow down or reverse the immunosenescence.

ray peat views growth hormone as a negative molecule, interesting how certain scenes of anti-aging differ so greatly. I got incredibly ill when I was taking HGH, felt hypoglycemic constantly, ravenous hunger and horrible headaches, probably became pre-diabetic, I regret the whole lot of it.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

If you want to reverse the epigenetic clock, why aren’t you considering HGH to slow down or reverse the immunosenescence?

that is not how it works for height growth, as you can see all people excluding people with gigantism since they have serious DNA methylation overexpression but regular people who get injected HGH go through puberty faster and their bone age is accelerated as well, these are your chondrocyte progenitors controlled by DNA methylation since it also activates telomerase activity https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190902/DNA-methylation-closely-linked-to-telomere-length.aspx#:~:text=Aging is associated with multiple disease conditions.&text=Telomere length (TL) is affected,is closely linked to TL. proven by many EWAS studies

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

that is not how it works for height growth, as you can see all people excluding people with gigantism since they have serious DNA methylation overexpression but regular people who get injected HGH go through puberty faster and their bone age is accelerated as well, these are your chondrocyte progenitors controlled by DNA methylation since it also activates telomerase activity https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190902/DNA-methylation-closely-linked-to-telomere-length.aspx#:~:text=Aging is associated with multiple disease conditions.&text=Telomere length (TL) is affected,is closely linked to TL. proven by many EWAS studies

would someone who had very slow growth rate during teens (gh defficient) be someone with a younger bone age? since as you said hgh accelerates bone age

 

[randomguy1235]

strike's a fucking moron, he's obsessed with the unobtainable.
heightmaxxing is a literal meme, most kid's with iq's beyond 100 find that out after a month or two, but strike obviously hasn't jfl.

You have no rebuttal to Strike's arguments and research. You're just obsessed with the notion that heightmaxxing is impossible because YOU regret YOUR decisions. If you really didn't care, you'd let these "copers" try out Strike's stack and then come back dejected if it didn't work. You look like a clown spewing ad homs incessantly

 

[Deleted member 2756]

You're just obsessed with the notion that heightmaxxing is impossible because YOU regret YOUR decisions.

the fact that you refer to supplement regimes as 'stacks' is indicative of your childish nature and low intelligence.
heightmaxxing is pathetic cope, I've been there, done that, almost came out diabetic. Trust me, strike doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just misinterpreting data, regurgitating words like 'hypermethylation' and such. Strike has even said that it's possible to grow forever, which is an extremely bold claim and he has nothing to it up other than misinterpreted mum blog posts.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Heightmaxxing is a meme
I am living proof

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Heightmaxxing is a meme
I am living proof

you are living proof of hormonal cope, not heightmaxxing buddy.

would someone who had very slow growth rate during teens (gh defficient) be someone with a younger bone age? since as you said hgh accelerates bone age

there is a fine line between being gh deficient and being a slow developer

 

[Deleted member 2756]

you are living proof of hormonal cope, not heightmaxxing buddy.

growth hormone has actual data surrounding it in vivo.
wheres your data suggesting you can grow forever whilst taking a molecule that is produced endogenously regardless?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

growth hormone has actual data surrounding it in vivo.
wheres your data suggesting you can grow forever whilst taking a molecule that is produced endogenously regardless?

read my posts boyo, sure every responsible doctor would give their patients leukemia or pituitary tumors to make them grow forever, seems legit, if you manipulate the main regulator of endochondral ossification and biological aging then I say you will age at a very slow rate while you grow as much as you want, we can see that people with gigantism have no real limit to how much they grow and how long they grow, if they grow too much or too long, they die... GH is also produced endogenously

 

[Deleted member 2756]

GH is also produced endogenously

nowhere near as much as a couple IU's of exogenous GH.

sure every responsible doctor would give their patients leukemia or pituitary tumors to make them grow forever

so you admit it's dangerous?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

nowhere near as much as a couple IU's of exogenous GH.

so you admit it's dangerous?

it's dangerous in excess how many times have I told this forum that 2000mg daily is the crucial balance needed just enough to reverse growth plate senescence and slow biological aging. Man, I'm sorry you become diabetic after that stack

 

[hairyballscel]

there are a few people taking it atm @goat2x didn't even take it properly and he didnt even take the full stack, he is 18 and grew 0.3cm in a month when he hasn't grown for some time

What has goat2x not been taking?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

What has goat2x not been taking?

hmm let's see, ecdysterone. BMP formula, si wu tang, folinic acid, hexarelin the stuff he has been taking I doubt he has even been following my guidelines

 

[Deleted member 6400]

what about increasing skull size if youre still 18,what are the options bro

 

[Bruh567]

what about increasing skull size if youre still 18,what are the options bro

hgh and roids

 

[Incoming]

it's dangerous in excess how many times have I told this forum that 2000mg daily is the crucial balance needed just enough to reverse growth plate senescence and slow biological aging. Man, I'm sorry you become diabetic after that stack

2000mg of what?

 

[Jamal2222]

Preface:
I've had a lot of questions in my pm's recently regarding growth hormone, IGF-1, and androgens.
specifically, people asking me for sources and stacks, how they work, etc, I'm hoping this guide will be able to answer as many of your questions as possible.

Disclaimer:
this thread is going to be very long, I'm going, to begin with explaining each of these chemicals, their mechanisms, and functions whilst also citing studies,
if you're wanting to learn how to apply these chemicals to your protocol than skip down to where I begin talking about methods.

Introduction:
Okay, so this in this thread I'm going to do my best at explaining how growth factors and androgens
affect facial development, induce sexual dimorphism and vertical growth, I'm going to begin
explaining the biological mechanisms of these hormones and then how you can apply them
cost-effectively.

HGH:
Somatropin, commonly referred to as HGH or GH is a 191 amino acid chain that is produced by the pituitary gland,
this peptide stimulates growth, cell reproduction, and cell regeneration in humans and other animals. It is thus important in human development.
GH also stimulates the production of IGF-1 and increases the concentration of glucose and free fatty acids. It belongs to a family of hormones known as the growth hormone family. This also includes prolactin (PRL) and placental lactogen. Despite the obvious differences in function, these hormones share a very similar structure. Likewise, GH and PRL are the only two non-tropic hormones synthesized and released from the anterior pituitary gland. (So yes if you're taking cabergoline you will inhibit growth hormone as they are from the same family).

Growth hormone itself isn't actually what induces growth, it's the metabolites of somatropin that induce cell proliferation, hyperplasia, and hypertrophy.
this class of growth factors is called insulin-like growth factors, they are molecularly structured similar to that of insulin, somatropin is needed for the creation of IGF's within the liver. IGF-2 is the primary growth factor responsible for fetal development, whereas IGF-1 is the primary growth factor responsible for inducing growth within adolescent children. (more on insulin-like growth factors later).

somatropin is needed for the development of our bodies, the reason us looksmaxxers are obsessed with it is because of dimorphic growth-related effects
that are induced by the insulin-like growth factor family of hormones.

somatropin's effect on craniofacial development within children.




Yes, these children did have GHDD (growth hormone deficiency disorder), but this doesn't disprove that the usage of exogenous somatropin
can induce craniofacial growth. These children would have been administrated growth hormone dosages that would have aligned with normal children's endogenous production. Our goal with growth hormone is to increase the endogenous production of IGF-1 way above super physiological levels in order to affect our craniofacial growth. Keep in mind, in this study the children were dosed 0.5IU daily, that's around 15-fold less than what I suggest you should dose daily, and these children still reap the positive craniofacial benefits.

The abstract of a study based on how the GH/IGF-1 axis influences bone formation, growth, and remodeling.


somatropin's effect on hard tissue, bone formation, and osteoclasts.


somatropin effects on bone formation through osteoblasts.


The GH/IGF-1 axis and it's interaction with androgens when it comes to bone formation.



Insulin-like growth factors, specifically somatomedin-C (IGF-1):
IGF-1 is produced all the way throughout life. The highest rates of IGF-1 production occur during the pubertal growth spurt. The lowest levels occur in infancy and old age. This is why children grow rapidly during puberty, somatropin is at an all-time high, meaning more conversion to IGF-1, typically in healthy children, the baseline IGF-1 scoring is between 250-500ng/dl, although higher IGF-1 scoring is possible with exogenous intervention.

IGF-1 is a primary mediator of the effects of somatropin (GH), growth hormone is released into the bloodstream, and then stimulates the liver to produce insulin-like growth factors, we are specifically focusing on IGF-1. These IGF's then stimulate systemic body growth and has growth-promoting effects on almost every cell in the body, especially skeletal muscle, cartilage, bone, liver, etc... In addition to the insulin-like effects, IGF-1 can also regulate cellular DNA synthesis. IGF-1 is our friend, we want our levels to be sky-high during puberty to reap all of the dimorphic growth and surpass our genetic potential, there are some road blockages though, along with the insulin-like growth factor family comes the IGFBP's (insulin-like growth factor binding proteins) yeah it's a mouth full jfl. These proteins bind to IGF-1 and inhibit it from attaching to the IGF-1R, basically, it renders our IGF-1 useless within the body. These proteins, unfortunately, have a high affinity to bind to IGF's, there are counter measurements to these IGFBP's though, stay tuned.

Protein intake increases IGF-1 levels in humans, independent of total calorie consumption. Factors that are known to cause variation in the levels of growth hormone (GH) and IGF-1 in the circulation include insulin levels, genetic make-up, the time of day, age, sex, exercise status, stress levels, nutrition level and body mass index, disease state, ethnicity, and estrogen status.

I'm not going to be citing studies for IGF-1, as GH and IGF-1 fall in the same category, the GH/IGF-1 axis is what influences growth.

Androgens, androgenic metabolites, and pro-hormones:
despite the common knowledge surrounding testosterone there seems to be less appreciation when it comes to other androgens. Androgens are synthesized from cholesterol and are produced primarily in the gonads (testicles and ovaries) and also in the adrenal glands to a small extent. The testicles produce a much higher quantity than the ovaries in females. Dimorphic growth is heavily dependent on androgens, specifically testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), I'm going to be underling each androgen, and their biological mechanisms.

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Testosterone:
testosterone is the primary male sex hormone that is responsible for differentiating a male fetus from a female fetus, In male humans, testosterone plays a key role in the development of reproductive tissues such as testes and prostate, as well as promoting sexual dimorphisms such as increased muscle mass, bone mass and the growth of body hair. The pituitary gland located within the brain produces a signaling chemical called luteinizing hormone (LH), LH signals the Leydig cells within the testes to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. Production of luteinizing hormone spikes during puberty, sending multiple signals to the Leydig cells to produce more testosterone, in turn, promoting masculinization and dimorphism to occur.

the effect of low dose testosterone on the craniofacial development in children with delayed puberty.


Keep in mind, these children didn't have zero testosterone, they were just experiencing delayed puberty, low dose testosterone was enough to kickstart their craniofacial development.

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Dihydrotestosterone:
DHT is biologically important for sexual differentiation of the male genitalia during embryogenesis, maturation of the penis and scrotum at puberty, growth of facial, body and pubic hair, and development and maintenance of the prostate gland and seminal vesicles. It is produced from testosterone by an enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase (5AR) in select tissues and is the primary androgen in the genitals, prostate gland, seminal vesicles, skin, and hair follicles. Dihydrotestosterone can have up to 5x the potency of testosterone when it comes to inducing androgenic dimorphism, that isn't to say that testosterone isn't important though.

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Androsterone:
Androsterone is an androgenic steroid derived via the activity of the enzyme 5-AR and is a downstream metabolite of the more potent androgen DHT. Like all 5-AR derived androgens, androsterone displays anti-estrogenic and anti-glucocorticoid activity and in addition, serves as a pro-hormone for DHT and other potent androgens. In addition, androsterone is a neurosteroid with potent GABA agonist activity and is known to function as a pheromone in many animal species including humans. It has been shown to possess anti-depressant and anti-proliferative effects. Perhaps most importantly, it has been found to act like as a potent thyroid mimetic and as such to increase basal temperature, oxygen consumption and lower lipid levels in humans.

androsterone and its effect on the masculinization of male fetuses.





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dehydroepiandrosterone
Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), also known as androstenolone, is an endogenous steroid hormone. It is one of the most abundant circulating steroids in humans, in whom it is produced in the adrenal glands, the gonads, and the brain. It functions as a metabolic intermediate in the biosynthesis of the androgen and estrogen sex steroids both in the gonads and in various other tissues. On its own, it's a very weak androgen, but it potently converts to testosterone within certain tissue, it is more abundant within females than males as it also converts to estrogen.

How to apply these hormones to your protocol:

let's begin with the growth hormone/igf1 aspect to our protocol, our main goal is to induce craniofacial growth (specifically maxillary and mandibular growth), vertical growth, and dimorphism, this can be achieved via a multitude of method, here we go.

How to increase IGF-1 levels beyond the super physiological natural range
through the usage of exogenous GH and PEPTIDES:

Method 1:
Recombinant growth hormone:
increasing our IGF-1 levels beyond the super physiological range is simple, although I disagree with some of
@Extra Chromosome's opinions on heightmaxxing, I'm going to do my best to express my opinion as I have experience and knowledge within the field of GH and Peptides.

To begin with, I personally think the usage of recombinant growth hormone (synthetic bioidentical somatropin) is the best and most practical way to increase IGF-1 and induce growth, that's not to say that peptides don't have their place, but they aren't as effective as HGH (I'll go into more detail later). Recombinant growth hormone is expensive, very expensive, but if you source it correctly you can bypass the majority of the cost issues.

I'd suggest dosing HGH at around 5IU-8IU's daily. This will skyrocket your IGF-1, even more so if you're a teenager as the conversion rate from somatropin to IGF-1 is higher, in most growing teenagers this amount of GH will put you into the 700-900ng/dl range for IGF-1 scoring, at this level cell proliferation, hyperplasia and osteoblast/osteoclast activity will increase dramatically. In other words, you'll grow, vertically and horizontally. If your soul usage of HGH is for height gains than either exemestane, letrozole or Arimidex will suffice for aromatase inhibition.

To sum method 1 up:
5-8iu's of HGH ED
(optional) Aromatase inhibitor of your choice.

Method 2:
HGH combined with IGF-1 LR3 and IGF-1 DES.
the combination of both exogenous GH and exogenous IGF-1 is amazing. As I've mentioned above alongside insulin-like growth factors comes IGFBP's (Insulin-like growth factor binding proteins) IGFPB's have a high affinity to bind onto IGF-1 and IGF-2 within the bloodstream rendering them useless and unable to attach to the IGF-1R and IGF-2R, meaning a small portion of the HGH that we inject into ourselves is going to waste as these proteins are rendering the IGF-1 unable to function, there is a way around this.

the polypeptides IGF-LR3 and IGF-DES have a low affinity to bind to the IGFBP's, meaning they are up to 3x more potent than regular endogenous IGF-1. IGF-1LR3 also happens to have a half-life of up to 30 hours. IGF-DES is even more potent than LR3, the only downside is that it has a 30-minute half-life before it is metabolized by the body, DES also happens to be more localized, so we are going to opt for LR3 in this method as it is more systemic than DES. The combination of HGH and exogenous IGF-1 will guarantee growth. (if your plates are open of course).

To sum method 2 up:
5-8iu's of HGH ED
IGF-1 LR3 100mcg ED
(optional) IGF-1 DES 50mcg ED
(optional) Aromatase inhibitor

Method 3
Peptide protocol.
peptides can be great for increasing serum levels of growth hormone and inevitably increasing IGF-1 scoring within the blood, the reason why I prefer synthetic GH is that the pituitary gland can only produce so much GH, meaning there is a limit to the number of signals it can take to produce a certain amount of somatropin. For example, you could inject more exogenous GH than you could make endogenous GH with the help of peptides, I hope that makes sense. Peptides can still boost your IGF-1 scoring beyond the natural range, some peptides even stimulate the Pi3k pathways, which is a bonus.

peptides are split up into 2 categories, GHRH's and GHRP's, our bodies make growth hormone-releasing hormone to signal the somatroph cells to produce somatropin within the pituitary gland, GHRH peptides basically tell the pituitary to release GH, growth hormone-releasing peptides basically amplify the production of growth hormone that is being secreted, stacking both a GHRH and a GHRP is necessary for increasing IGF-1 as they synergize well.

here's the peptide protocol that I recommend, whilst on this stack my IGF-1 came back at over 800ng/dl, in that time period I grew an inch and a half in height within 2 and a half months.



switching back and forth from hexarelin and GHRP-2 is necessary as desensitization will occur whilst using hexarelin at any dosage for longer than 14 days. Having 14 days off and 7 days on allows your body to sensitize to the peptide again. I do not recommend the usage of CJC DAC as it has been proven to cause damage to the pituitary gland with chronic usage.

Okay, that sums up the GH/IGF-1 section, overall I'd say if you're on a budget than peptides is the route you should take, if you have more money to spend than go for HGH if you're really fucking determined than take the HGH/IGF-1LR3 route.

The good thing about working with somatropin and peptides is that exogenous usage won't cause a negative feedback loop to occur, meaning if you discontinue the usage of growth hormone you won't feel like shit as you would with testosterone (unless you do a correct PCT). Your endogenous somatropin will begin producing normally again.

How to increase endogenous androgen activity without causing suppression
or shutdown from occurring:
working with androgens can be tricky and dangerous, you can take two routes with androgens, you can either take metabolites and non-suppressive prohormones or you can take androgens like testosterone and cause a shutdown.

the usage of androgens such as dehydroepiandrosterone and androsterone along with progesterone can be of great benefit to those who are looking
to masculinize themselves without using testosterone. dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is one of the most abundant steroid hormones within the human body, it is produced by the adrenals and can be converted to either testosterone or estrogen. The supplementation of exogenous DHEA alone can lead to both an increase in estrogen and testosterone, combining DHEA with androsterone is a good idea as androsterone is a very powerful anti-aromatase, estrogen isn't the enemy, it's just having high estrogen is a negative, inhibiting the aromatase enzyme from converting testosterone from converting to estrogen allows for the DHEA to convert into testosterone smoothly without a spike in estrogen as your original estrogen will just be replaced.

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The usage of Delta-sleep-inducing-peptide to increase natural testosterone:
my recent findings suggest that the usage of the delta-sleep inducing peptide (DSIP) can greatly benefit steroid users who are trying to regain their LH production.
DSIP increases the amount of gonadotropin that is being secreted at night time, gonadotropin signals the pituitary gland to produce LH, that LH than signals the Leydig cells to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. More gonadotropin signaling = more luteinizing hormone signaling meaning more testosterone being made. DSIP also happens to block corticotropin from releasing cortisol, meaning cortisol cannot antagonize testosterone, leaving you with more testosterone to circulate the bloodstream. DSIP also blocks the release of somatostatin (growth hormone inhibiting hormone), somatostatins role is to lower growth hormone if it raises to high, so by blocking the release of this hormone we are preventing our blood serum level of GH dropping.

Delta-sleep inducing peptide is a must for those looking to increase testosterone without the usage of AAS or those who are using peptides and/or Recombinant GH, as it has potent somatostatin inhibiting properties.
check out my thread on DSIP

The usage of HCG
human chorionic gonadotropin is an LH mimic that can be injected subcutaneously, it acts the exact same way that LH does in that it signals the Leydig cells to produce testosterone, HCG will keep your balls from shrinking if you're running testosterone on an AAS cycle. It can increase testosterone but it has a tendency to also increase estrogen, in combination with testosterone it can induce dimorphism greatly, whilst maintaining testicular functions and fertility, it can also be implemented to make your PCT easier.

The usage of exogenous testosterone:
the usage of exogenous testosterone can greatly induce sexual dimorphism, increase bone density, anabolism, protein synthesis, and nitrogen retention. Whilst also saturated the androgen receptors. There are obvious downsides to the usage, but if done effectively there shouldn't be any issues. For teenagers willing to run testosterone, (I don't condone the usage) I'd suggest using testosterone base (no ester attached) dissolved into DMSO applied to the skin, I'd also suggest that you take the best measure to run a safe and sought out PCT.

The usage of exogenous dihydrotestosterone (androstanolone)
dihydrotestosterone can be very beneficial for those who are in the midst of puberty, at the correct dosages it isn't very suppressive and if minimal suppression occurs, then you can easily bounce back. Androstanolone is a synthetic DHT that is bioidentical to DHT. The usage of dihydrotestosterone will have an intense masculinizing effect, if you're in puberty it may affect the size of your penis and frame.

You can make a transdermal concoction with DMSO and androstanolone, with a high absorption rate. Androstanolone is an extremely androgenic steroid hormone, it has highly anti-estrogenic properties so be cautious with the dosages if you don't want to crash your E2 levels.
check out my thread on dihydrotestosterone

conclusion
a combination of both high dosages of either recombinant growth hormone or peptides alongside the optimization or exogenous usage of androgens is synergistic when it comes to craniofacial forward growth, sexual dimorphism and vertical growth.

here's my current stack for perspective.


this took like 3 days to make because I'm a lazy cunt, anyways hoped you gained something from it.

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hoping that'll answer some questions for you guys.
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Hey buddy how would I go about acquiring those drugs to grow taller, I’m 17

 

[hairyballscel]

hmm let's see, ecdysterone. BMP formula, si wu tang, folinic acid, hexarelin the stuff he has been taking I doubt he has even been following my guidelines

lifefuel tbh, I'll be using your stack within the next few months, wish me luck

 

[Tom2004]

lifefuel tbh, I'll be using your stack within the next few months, wish me luck

Good luck brother, many of us are beginning to take this stack

 

[hairyballscel]

Good luck brother, many of us are beginning to take this stack

I haven't grown in a year doe, praying it works GL to you bro