The Ultimate pubertymaxxing guide, an introduction into androgens and growth factors, and how to apply them.

[Deleted member 2756]

i dont waste my money on any shitty peptides, and so what if he doesn't talk to his customers normally? That doesn't mean he is a scam, that is just how must Russians speak to each other, and no there are TONS of third party reviews of his DHT gel 12 percent being legitimate, and NO I DID ASK HIM ON EMAIL IF HE HAD ANY BMP-7 left to which he responded 'can't you read? we don't have anything yet' proven dumbass yet again!

you didn't prove anything. Actually, go fucking right ahead, I don't even know why I'm trying to disprove the efficacy of russianstar to a fucking moron like yourself, go waste your money. If you knew anything about endocrinology, you'd know that dihydrotestosterone suppresses the HPTA because of the androgen-mediated negative feedback loop, prettyboymaxing took the dht gel for atleast a month, at supposed high dosages, and didn't notice a single thing after discontinuing it. He actually felt better afterward.

it's fake, russianstars is fake, and you're a fucking ugly little ethnic vermin, kill yourself.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

yet again, you accusing him of things you HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF, prove he made alternate accounts, go ask whatever forum admin there was about the iP of russianstar and those customers, yet again making unbelievable claims just to hate on some random company for the SOLE purpose of hating on them as for the DHT gel you obviously didn't buy the 12 percent version, and even if it doesn't work on some people it doesn't mean it is fake, in case you haven't noticed there are sometimes responders and non responders to a product, YOUR word versus the TONS of reviews all of the internet and even on credit about his DHT gel, now you clearly couldn't comprehend what I wrote about him not having the BMP formula in stock all the time, i already said you would consider that as part of his scam marketing ploy but again you have NO evidence except an email

Not gonna read this splurged nonsense. I'm ignoring you, you're so fucking naive and ignorant.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Not gonna read this splurged nonsense. I'm ignoring you, you're so fucking naive and ignorant.

keep coping you absolute subhuman pig, no wonder why you are the embarrassment of this forum, you and your rat piss of Alibaba! https://area1255.blogspot.com/2018/09/russian-star-peptides-titan-50-dht-gel.html

 

[CopeIsReal]

constant IGF and insulin window ? thats asking for aggressive tumor growth

 

[Deleted member 2756]

keep coping you absolute subhuman pig, no wonder why you are the embarrassment of this forum, you and your rat piss of Alibaba! https://area1255.blogspot.com/2018/09/russian-star-peptides-titan-50-dht-gel.html

Bhahahha you're a joke, that was one of the websites he set up then proceeded to link on the PEGYM forum larping as a blogger.
you're so fucking predictable.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

keep coping you absolute subhuman pig, no wonder why you are the embarrassment of this forum, you and your rat piss of Alibaba!

Also, refute the latter, you can't.
I've got hard anecdotal evidence that It didn't suppress prettyboymaxxing. He felt completely fine after blasting supraphysiological amounts of exogenous dht, he should have been suppressed but he wasn't. It's fake.

 

[ChadsAreCool]

How bad would suppression be if I used real dht gel and is it recoverable?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Also, refute the latter, you can't.
'I've got hard anecdotal evidence'

The exact same anecdotal evidence for reviews of russian star peptides products, GTFO!

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Bhahahha you're a joke, that was one of the websites he set up then proceeded to link on the PEGYM forum larping as a blogger.
you're so fucking predictable.

there you go, accusing him of something else. Evidence?

 

[Traxanas]

Also, russianstar has advertised his products all over a popular penis enhancing forum in the past.
he's also made a shit tonne of alternate accounts and larped as customers suggesting that the dht gel made their penis grow, it's all lies.

There have been users here who claimed slight dick growth and hair loss from their product. Hair fucking loss, is there any other transdermal substance that can make you lose hair besides literal DHT?

I still think it's better making your own as god knows what shady shit they could be doing, maybe under dosing or adding additional chemicals to fake it, but it wouldn't make much sense as it'll probably cost more to do so than just selling the legit stuff.

 

[John McCormick]

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Ephedrine is a very powerful fat burning compound that also suppresses appetite and provides a huge boost in energy, it is very effective.

russianstarpeptides.com

The picture he has there with a man comparing and taking shot pic of his abs is actually Good Looking Loser (GLL) Google him. It's a stolen pic. Also I know couple people who have used DHT gel from him and it's believed to be a bunk and also there was someone online in other grow taller forum who have claimed to use his BMP-7 injection with no results.

So yeah...

 

[Deleted member 4053]

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

Jay Akash was wrong about this website, they're fake.

idk I think they're selective scammers tbh, heard of people buying cheap shit like mt2 from there and receiving and such but cases of dht gel being bs

isn't strike wanting to inject bmp from there or some shit?

There have been users here who claimed slight dick growth and hair loss from their product. Hair fucking loss, is there any other transdermal substance that can make you lose hair besides literal DHT?

do you mean Gudru? didn't he also claim that running made his midface longer?
I know for sure he made extremely questionable claims like chewing made his midface noticeably longer and mk677 made his nose grow a bunch.
personally I wouldn't trust his testimonial

 

[Traxanas]

idk I think they're selective scammers tbh, heard of people buying cheap shit like mt2 from there and receiving and such but cases of dht gel being bs

isn't strike wanting to inject bmp from there or some shit?


do you mean Gudru? didn't he also claim that running made his midface longer?
I know for sure he made extremely questionable claims like chewing made his midface noticeably longer and mk677 made his nose grow a bunch.
personally I wouldn't trust his testimonial

Not just from Gudru but PubertyMaxxer as well has claimed to have seen his hairline take a hit.

Also to DHT gel being bunk, I wouldn't expect any results as an adult male, but if you experience legit side effects like vascularity, hair thinning and such then to me it'd be legit. Dick growth would depend on your ARs.

I would mostly worry if you experience zero sides.

 

[Deleted member 8053]

same cunt, I would honestly be 6'4.
dead serious, the knowledge that I know now.... makes me angry.

Can you speak in english please haha just give me what i should take

IM 5'9 6.6 inch wrist and 5'9 JUst put a list of the stuff i have to take

 

[Deleted member 6892]

Can you speak in english please haha just give me what i should take

IM 5'9 6.6 inch wrist and 5'9 JUst put a list of the stuff i have to take

There are tons of resources and tips in this thread. If you really want to know how to get tall read the entire thread.

 

[Deleted member 8053]

There are tons of resources and tips in this thread. If you really want to know how to get tall read the entire thread.

I dont understand a single word of it thers just a bunch of craxy ancient latin chemical names

like this is what i wanna take

Astaxanthin
Vitamin k2 (MK4)
L-arginine
L-glycine
L-lysine
D-aspartic acid

shouild i take anyhing else

 

[Deleted member 6892]

I dont understand a single word of it thers just a bunch of craxy ancient latin chemical names

like this is what i wanna take

Astaxanthin
Vitamin k2 (MK4)
L-arginine
L-glycine
L-lysine
D-aspartic acid

shouild i take anyhing else

This is all cope won’t work. Yes you should take anything else read the thread. What’s your age

 

[Deleted member 8053]

I'm hoping someone actually reads this shit, somebody needs to continue my legacy.

i've learnt everything that there is to learn, i'm injecting HGH and taking dht, I'm ascending so fucking hard this year boyo

where do you get hgh and dht

 

[Deleted member 6892]

where do you get hgh and dht

Dht causes shutdown dumbass

you get HGH off alibaba or irionlabs but it’s cope most of the time

 

[KingScrew]

To put it in simple words bois, the best stack which will make you grow and keep you biological age go extremely slow is Hexarelin, Aromasin, SAM-e, Folic Acid, Meclizine, glucosamine chondroitin MSM, everything else your body will take care of,

Any modifications for a wing-span/clavicle-length stack?

 

[TITUS]

So, what are the results of all this doping? Anyone with some pre and post photos?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

So, what are the results of all this doping? Anyone with some pre and post photos?

no one has taken photos as of yet but everyone who has taken it so far has seen results, even ones far past their growing ages

 

[TITUS]

no one has taken photos as of yet but everyone who has taken it so far has seen results, even ones far past their growing ages

What do you mean "far past their growing ages", like in their fourties?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

What do you mean "far past their growing ages", like in their fourties?

no, a person at age 40 wouldn't even want to try it just for the sake of not trying it but a 25 (hasn't grown since age 19) year old has gained 4cm after 5 weeks of it and a 21 year old 2.5cm after 3 weeks of it

 

[John McCormick]

hey strike, I have recovered and feel fine now. I want to get back on this. I think what happened was from the shitty Chinese needles that I used from alibaba. I'm really pissed off but I have to be smart about this now. I ran out of needles and it was really hard and took long time to get because of coronavirus. I want to do every stack you mentioned which I have been doing with no results so something is up wrong here. What should I do? Can I not do hex and still get results? What if I added si wu tang + Ecdysterone instead of hex ?

 

[Deleted member 7224]

hey strike, I have recovered and feel fine now. I want to get back on this. I think what happened was from the shitty Chinese needles that I used from alibaba. I'm really pissed off but I have to be smart about this now. I ran out of needles and it was really hard and took long time to get because of coronavirus. I want to do every stack you mentioned which I have been doing with no results so something is up wrong here. What should I do? Can I not do hex and still get results? What if I added si wu tang + Ecdysterone instead of hex ?

You really want to die, do you?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

hey strike, I have recovered and feel fine now. I want to get back on this. I think what happened was from the shitty Chinese needles that I used from alibaba. I'm really pissed off but I have to be smart about this now. I ran out of needles and it was really hard and took long time to get because of coronavirus. I want to do every stack you mentioned which I have been doing with no results so something is up wrong here. What should I do? Can I not do hex and still get results? What if I added si wu tang + Ecdysterone instead of hex ?

no point adding si wu tang, that is not what stimulates pi3k activity for bone formation, it is si wu tang extract, which is a formulation with 4 other herbs

 

[Deleted member 6892]

no point adding si wu tang, that is not what stimulates pi3k activity for bone formation, it is si wu tang extract, which is a formulation with 4 other herbs

Could the extract and ecdysterone replace hex?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Could the extract and ecdysterone replace hex?

idk

 

[JRob1]

Could the extract and ecdysterone replace hex?

If no Hex...

MK-677 & Ecdysterone
or
MK-677, Ecdy and Si wu tang extract

 

[JRob1]

Pi3k also Diosgenin/ Wild Yam Capsules

 

[Deleted member 8053]

Preface:
I've had a lot of questions in my pm's recently regarding growth hormone, IGF-1, and androgens.
specifically, people asking me for sources and stacks, how they work, etc, I'm hoping this guide will be able to answer as many of your questions as possible.

Disclaimer:
this thread is going to be very long, I'm going, to begin with explaining each of these chemicals, their mechanisms, and functions whilst also citing studies,
if you're wanting to learn how to apply these chemicals to your protocol than skip down to where I begin talking about methods.

Introduction:
Okay, so this in this thread I'm going to do my best at explaining how growth factors and androgens
affect facial development, induce sexual dimorphism and vertical growth, I'm going to begin
explaining the biological mechanisms of these hormones and then how you can apply them
cost-effectively.

HGH:
Somatropin, commonly referred to as HGH or GH is a 191 amino acid chain that is produced by the pituitary gland,
this peptide stimulates growth, cell reproduction, and cell regeneration in humans and other animals. It is thus important in human development.
GH also stimulates the production of IGF-1 and increases the concentration of glucose and free fatty acids. It belongs to a family of hormones known as the growth hormone family. This also includes prolactin (PRL) and placental lactogen. Despite the obvious differences in function, these hormones share a very similar structure. Likewise, GH and PRL are the only two non-tropic hormones synthesized and released from the anterior pituitary gland. (So yes if you're taking cabergoline you will inhibit growth hormone as they are from the same family).

Growth hormone itself isn't actually what induces growth, it's the metabolites of somatropin that induce cell proliferation, hyperplasia, and hypertrophy.
this class of growth factors is called insulin-like growth factors, they are molecularly structured similar to that of insulin, somatropin is needed for the creation of IGF's within the liver. IGF-2 is the primary growth factor responsible for fetal development, whereas IGF-1 is the primary growth factor responsible for inducing growth within adolescent children. (more on insulin-like growth factors later).

somatropin is needed for the development of our bodies, the reason us looksmaxxers are obsessed with it is because of dimorphic growth-related effects
that are induced by the insulin-like growth factor family of hormones.

somatropin's effect on craniofacial development within children.




Yes, these children did have GHDD (growth hormone deficiency disorder), but this doesn't disprove that the usage of exogenous somatropin
can induce craniofacial growth. These children would have been administrated growth hormone dosages that would have aligned with normal children's endogenous production. Our goal with growth hormone is to increase the endogenous production of IGF-1 way above super physiological levels in order to affect our craniofacial growth. Keep in mind, in this study the children were dosed 0.5IU daily, that's around 15-fold less than what I suggest you should dose daily, and these children still reap the positive craniofacial benefits.

The abstract of a study based on how the GH/IGF-1 axis influences bone formation, growth, and remodeling.


somatropin's effect on hard tissue, bone formation, and osteoclasts.


somatropin effects on bone formation through osteoblasts.


The GH/IGF-1 axis and it's interaction with androgens when it comes to bone formation.



Insulin-like growth factors, specifically somatomedin-C (IGF-1):
IGF-1 is produced all the way throughout life. The highest rates of IGF-1 production occur during the pubertal growth spurt. The lowest levels occur in infancy and old age. This is why children grow rapidly during puberty, somatropin is at an all-time high, meaning more conversion to IGF-1, typically in healthy children, the baseline IGF-1 scoring is between 250-500ng/dl, although higher IGF-1 scoring is possible with exogenous intervention.

IGF-1 is a primary mediator of the effects of somatropin (GH), growth hormone is released into the bloodstream, and then stimulates the liver to produce insulin-like growth factors, we are specifically focusing on IGF-1. These IGF's then stimulate systemic body growth and has growth-promoting effects on almost every cell in the body, especially skeletal muscle, cartilage, bone, liver, etc... In addition to the insulin-like effects, IGF-1 can also regulate cellular DNA synthesis. IGF-1 is our friend, we want our levels to be sky-high during puberty to reap all of the dimorphic growth and surpass our genetic potential, there are some road blockages though, along with the insulin-like growth factor family comes the IGFBP's (insulin-like growth factor binding proteins) yeah it's a mouth full jfl. These proteins bind to IGF-1 and inhibit it from attaching to the IGF-1R, basically, it renders our IGF-1 useless within the body. These proteins, unfortunately, have a high affinity to bind to IGF's, there are counter measurements to these IGFBP's though, stay tuned.

Protein intake increases IGF-1 levels in humans, independent of total calorie consumption. Factors that are known to cause variation in the levels of growth hormone (GH) and IGF-1 in the circulation include insulin levels, genetic make-up, the time of day, age, sex, exercise status, stress levels, nutrition level and body mass index, disease state, ethnicity, and estrogen status.

I'm not going to be citing studies for IGF-1, as GH and IGF-1 fall in the same category, the GH/IGF-1 axis is what influences growth.

Androgens, androgenic metabolites, and pro-hormones:
despite the common knowledge surrounding testosterone there seems to be less appreciation when it comes to other androgens. Androgens are synthesized from cholesterol and are produced primarily in the gonads (testicles and ovaries) and also in the adrenal glands to a small extent. The testicles produce a much higher quantity than the ovaries in females. Dimorphic growth is heavily dependent on androgens, specifically testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), I'm going to be underling each androgen, and their biological mechanisms.

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Testosterone:
testosterone is the primary male sex hormone that is responsible for differentiating a male fetus from a female fetus, In male humans, testosterone plays a key role in the development of reproductive tissues such as testes and prostate, as well as promoting sexual dimorphisms such as increased muscle mass, bone mass and the growth of body hair. The pituitary gland located within the brain produces a signaling chemical called luteinizing hormone (LH), LH signals the Leydig cells within the testes to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. Production of luteinizing hormone spikes during puberty, sending multiple signals to the Leydig cells to produce more testosterone, in turn, promoting masculinization and dimorphism to occur.

the effect of low dose testosterone on the craniofacial development in children with delayed puberty.


Keep in mind, these children didn't have zero testosterone, they were just experiencing delayed puberty, low dose testosterone was enough to kickstart their craniofacial development.

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Dihydrotestosterone:
DHT is biologically important for sexual differentiation of the male genitalia during embryogenesis, maturation of the penis and scrotum at puberty, growth of facial, body and pubic hair, and development and maintenance of the prostate gland and seminal vesicles. It is produced from testosterone by an enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase (5AR) in select tissues and is the primary androgen in the genitals, prostate gland, seminal vesicles, skin, and hair follicles. Dihydrotestosterone can have up to 5x the potency of testosterone when it comes to inducing androgenic dimorphism, that isn't to say that testosterone isn't important though.

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Androsterone:
Androsterone is an androgenic steroid derived via the activity of the enzyme 5-AR and is a downstream metabolite of the more potent androgen DHT. Like all 5-AR derived androgens, androsterone displays anti-estrogenic and anti-glucocorticoid activity and in addition, serves as a pro-hormone for DHT and other potent androgens. In addition, androsterone is a neurosteroid with potent GABA agonist activity and is known to function as a pheromone in many animal species including humans. It has been shown to possess anti-depressant and anti-proliferative effects. Perhaps most importantly, it has been found to act like as a potent thyroid mimetic and as such to increase basal temperature, oxygen consumption and lower lipid levels in humans.

androsterone and its effect on the masculinization of male fetuses.





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dehydroepiandrosterone
Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), also known as androstenolone, is an endogenous steroid hormone. It is one of the most abundant circulating steroids in humans, in whom it is produced in the adrenal glands, the gonads, and the brain. It functions as a metabolic intermediate in the biosynthesis of the androgen and estrogen sex steroids both in the gonads and in various other tissues. On its own, it's a very weak androgen, but it potently converts to testosterone within certain tissue, it is more abundant within females than males as it also converts to estrogen.

How to apply these hormones to your protocol:

let's begin with the growth hormone/igf1 aspect to our protocol, our main goal is to induce craniofacial growth (specifically maxillary and mandibular growth), vertical growth, and dimorphism, this can be achieved via a multitude of method, here we go.

How to increase IGF-1 levels beyond the super physiological natural range
through the usage of exogenous GH and PEPTIDES:

Method 1:
Recombinant growth hormone:
increasing our IGF-1 levels beyond the super physiological range is simple, although I disagree with some of
@Extra Chromosome's opinions on heightmaxxing, I'm going to do my best to express my opinion as I have experience and knowledge within the field of GH and Peptides.

To begin with, I personally think the usage of recombinant growth hormone (synthetic bioidentical somatropin) is the best and most practical way to increase IGF-1 and induce growth, that's not to say that peptides don't have their place, but they aren't as effective as HGH (I'll go into more detail later). Recombinant growth hormone is expensive, very expensive, but if you source it correctly you can bypass the majority of the cost issues.

I'd suggest dosing HGH at around 5IU-8IU's daily. This will skyrocket your IGF-1, even more so if you're a teenager as the conversion rate from somatropin to IGF-1 is higher, in most growing teenagers this amount of GH will put you into the 700-900ng/dl range for IGF-1 scoring, at this level cell proliferation, hyperplasia and osteoblast/osteoclast activity will increase dramatically. In other words, you'll grow, vertically and horizontally. If your soul usage of HGH is for height gains than either exemestane, letrozole or Arimidex will suffice for aromatase inhibition.

To sum method 1 up:
5-8iu's of HGH ED
(optional) Aromatase inhibitor of your choice.

Method 2:
HGH combined with IGF-1 LR3 and IGF-1 DES.
the combination of both exogenous GH and exogenous IGF-1 is amazing. As I've mentioned above alongside insulin-like growth factors comes IGFBP's (Insulin-like growth factor binding proteins) IGFPB's have a high affinity to bind onto IGF-1 and IGF-2 within the bloodstream rendering them useless and unable to attach to the IGF-1R and IGF-2R, meaning a small portion of the HGH that we inject into ourselves is going to waste as these proteins are rendering the IGF-1 unable to function, there is a way around this.

the polypeptides IGF-LR3 and IGF-DES have a low affinity to bind to the IGFBP's, meaning they are up to 3x more potent than regular endogenous IGF-1. IGF-1LR3 also happens to have a half-life of up to 30 hours. IGF-DES is even more potent than LR3, the only downside is that it has a 30-minute half-life before it is metabolized by the body, DES also happens to be more localized, so we are going to opt for LR3 in this method as it is more systemic than DES. The combination of HGH and exogenous IGF-1 will guarantee growth. (if your plates are open of course).

To sum method 2 up:
5-8iu's of HGH ED
IGF-1 LR3 100mcg ED
(optional) IGF-1 DES 50mcg ED
(optional) Aromatase inhibitor

Method 3
Peptide protocol.
peptides can be great for increasing serum levels of growth hormone and inevitably increasing IGF-1 scoring within the blood, the reason why I prefer synthetic GH is that the pituitary gland can only produce so much GH, meaning there is a limit to the number of signals it can take to produce a certain amount of somatropin. For example, you could inject more exogenous GH than you could make endogenous GH with the help of peptides, I hope that makes sense. Peptides can still boost your IGF-1 scoring beyond the natural range, some peptides even stimulate the Pi3k pathways, which is a bonus.

peptides are split up into 2 categories, GHRH's and GHRP's, our bodies make growth hormone-releasing hormone to signal the somatroph cells to produce somatropin within the pituitary gland, GHRH peptides basically tell the pituitary to release GH, growth hormone-releasing peptides basically amplify the production of growth hormone that is being secreted, stacking both a GHRH and a GHRP is necessary for increasing IGF-1 as they synergize well.

here's the peptide protocol that I recommend, whilst on this stack my IGF-1 came back at over 800ng/dl, in that time period I grew an inch and a half in height within 2 and a half months.



switching back and forth from hexarelin and GHRP-2 is necessary as desensitization will occur whilst using hexarelin at any dosage for longer than 14 days. Having 14 days off and 7 days on allows your body to sensitize to the peptide again. I do not recommend the usage of CJC DAC as it has been proven to cause damage to the pituitary gland with chronic usage.

Okay, that sums up the GH/IGF-1 section, overall I'd say if you're on a budget than peptides is the route you should take, if you have more money to spend than go for HGH if you're really fucking determined than take the HGH/IGF-1LR3 route.

The good thing about working with somatropin and peptides is that exogenous usage won't cause a negative feedback loop to occur, meaning if you discontinue the usage of growth hormone you won't feel like shit as you would with testosterone (unless you do a correct PCT). Your endogenous somatropin will begin producing normally again.

How to increase endogenous androgen activity without causing suppression
or shutdown from occurring:
working with androgens can be tricky and dangerous, you can take two routes with androgens, you can either take metabolites and non-suppressive prohormones or you can take androgens like testosterone and cause a shutdown.

the usage of androgens such as dehydroepiandrosterone and androsterone along with progesterone can be of great benefit to those who are looking
to masculinize themselves without using testosterone. dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is one of the most abundant steroid hormones within the human body, it is produced by the adrenals and can be converted to either testosterone or estrogen. The supplementation of exogenous DHEA alone can lead to both an increase in estrogen and testosterone, combining DHEA with androsterone is a good idea as androsterone is a very powerful anti-aromatase, estrogen isn't the enemy, it's just having high estrogen is a negative, inhibiting the aromatase enzyme from converting testosterone from converting to estrogen allows for the DHEA to convert into testosterone smoothly without a spike in estrogen as your original estrogen will just be replaced.

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The usage of Delta-sleep-inducing-peptide to increase natural testosterone:
my recent findings suggest that the usage of the delta-sleep inducing peptide (DSIP) can greatly benefit steroid users who are trying to regain their LH production.
DSIP increases the amount of gonadotropin that is being secreted at night time, gonadotropin signals the pituitary gland to produce LH, that LH than signals the Leydig cells to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. More gonadotropin signaling = more luteinizing hormone signaling meaning more testosterone being made. DSIP also happens to block corticotropin from releasing cortisol, meaning cortisol cannot antagonize testosterone, leaving you with more testosterone to circulate the bloodstream. DSIP also blocks the release of somatostatin (growth hormone inhibiting hormone), somatostatins role is to lower growth hormone if it raises to high, so by blocking the release of this hormone we are preventing our blood serum level of GH dropping.

Delta-sleep inducing peptide is a must for those looking to increase testosterone without the usage of AAS or those who are using peptides and/or Recombinant GH, as it has potent somatostatin inhibiting properties.
check out my thread on DSIP

The usage of HCG
human chorionic gonadotropin is an LH mimic that can be injected subcutaneously, it acts the exact same way that LH does in that it signals the Leydig cells to produce testosterone, HCG will keep your balls from shrinking if you're running testosterone on an AAS cycle. It can increase testosterone but it has a tendency to also increase estrogen, in combination with testosterone it can induce dimorphism greatly, whilst maintaining testicular functions and fertility, it can also be implemented to make your PCT easier.

The usage of exogenous testosterone:
the usage of exogenous testosterone can greatly induce sexual dimorphism, increase bone density, anabolism, protein synthesis, and nitrogen retention. Whilst also saturated the androgen receptors. There are obvious downsides to the usage, but if done effectively there shouldn't be any issues. For teenagers willing to run testosterone, (I don't condone the usage) I'd suggest using testosterone base (no ester attached) dissolved into DMSO applied to the skin, I'd also suggest that you take the best measure to run a safe and sought out PCT.

The usage of exogenous dihydrotestosterone (androstanolone)
dihydrotestosterone can be very beneficial for those who are in the midst of puberty, at the correct dosages it isn't very suppressive and if minimal suppression occurs, then you can easily bounce back. Androstanolone is a synthetic DHT that is bioidentical to DHT. The usage of dihydrotestosterone will have an intense masculinizing effect, if you're in puberty it may affect the size of your penis and frame.

You can make a transdermal concoction with DMSO and androstanolone, with a high absorption rate. Androstanolone is an extremely androgenic steroid hormone, it has highly anti-estrogenic properties so be cautious with the dosages if you don't want to crash your E2 levels.
check out my thread on dihydrotestosterone

conclusion
a combination of both high dosages of either recombinant growth hormone or peptides alongside the optimization or exogenous usage of androgens is synergistic when it comes to craniofacial forward growth, sexual dimorphism and vertical growth.

here's my current stack for perspective.


this took like 3 days to make because I'm a lazy cunt, anyways hoped you gained something from it.

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hoping that'll answer some questions for you guys.
@JustTrynaGrow @Slyfex8 @draco @Don't Forget to mew @Tom2004 @Crazzen8 @ht-normie-ascending @Dr Shekelberg @forwardgrowth @maxmendietta @PubertyMaxxer @apollothegun @KKK

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How do you get all this stuff, whatever i see is for reserch use only and you can consume it

 

[Deleted member 8053]

Pi3k also Diosgenin/ Wild Yam Capsules

what do those do

 

[Deleted member 8053]

DHT is what you need for facial changes combine it with GH and add a shit ton of bone supplements make sure to eat the fat soluble vitamins with fat

I am seeing mandible gains from test + dht + my supplement stack

hwats your stack and the supplemtents your taking

 

[ScratchDiske221]

Isn't this going to make you bald? Because dht is one of the main reasons why men go bald

 

[John McCormick]

You really want to die, do you?

Well I only have one life to live.

When I was suffering from all that, I thought I was going to hell and being tortured by satan from inside out.

But My obsession towards height increase is still greater. Even if I have to vomit blood and die slow and painful death, if it means for me to try something new for my greater good, I would gladly give my life away.

I read that Mr. Jacob Lawrence Walker has taken Methyl Protodioscin and injected that into his leg and it fucked him up real good with walking and when I read that (how far a Man is willing to take), I was inspired and I admired men like them. I'm not going to sit on the sideline watching and living my life like fearful sheep. I would gladly do this and I don't care what my consequences are. If I get sick again, perhaps it was God's will.

 

[goat2x]

Well I only have one life to live.

When I was suffering from all that, I thought I was going to hell and being tortured by satan from inside out.

But My obsession towards height increase is still greater. Even if I have to vomit blood and die slow and painful death, if it means for me to try something new for my greater good, I would gladly give my life away.

I read that Mr. Jacob Lawrence Walker has taken Methyl Protodioscin and injected that into his leg and it fucked him up real good with walking and when I read that (how far a Man is willing to take), I was inspired and I admired men like them. I'm not going to sit on the sideline watching and living my life like fearful sheep. I would gladly do this and I don't care what my consequences are. If I get sick again, perhaps it was God's will.

how tall are u

 

[Deleted member 8053]

If you're referring to peptides than yes it would.

also, this thread is outdated, my ideas and perspective has changed quite a bit.

are you planning to make a new one?

 

[Fosty]

no point adding si wu tang, that is not what stimulates pi3k activity for bone formation, it is si wu tang extract, which is a formulation with 4 other herbs

Could you post a summary of the most recent stack, along with the dosing? I went through all the pages of this thread, but could not really pinpoint the precise dosings in one post, and - since the stack itself was evolving - I think it's good to have an update post with the precise instructions.

Also I'm currently on HGH (5 iu per day) and DSIP (200 mcg per day). I'd assume that would be beneficial to the stack itself from the hormonal perspective, but I'd love to hear your input on that.

 

[ChadsAreCool]

Could you post a summary of the most recent stack, along with the dosing? I went through all the pages of this thread, but could not really pinpoint the precise dosings in one post, and - since the stack itself was evolving - I think it's good to have an update post with the precise instructions.

Also I'm currently on HGH (5 iu per day) and DSIP (200 mcg per day). I'd assume that would be beneficial to the stack itself from the hormonal perspective, but I'd love to hear your input on that.

You using pharma grade?

 

[Deleted member 8053]

just lol at this, you pulled that out of your asshole and so did titbot.
titbot hates me, he'll do anything to tarnish my name, it's been what? how many days? 4, 5? and you're still obsessed with me, constantly talking about me, you're in love with me. I'm 6ft1, I've been rated 5.5-6PSL by users on discord, I never claimed 6ft2.

chill my man, literally relax, get off this terrible site

what discords did you get your ratings from

 

[Fosty]

You using pharma grade?

No, I would have the money to drop on pharma, but don't have a source

 

[bossman]

wtf greycel overload

 

[Deleted member 8053]

Unmoggable IQ. You are an absolute goldmine on information regarding this topic.

so the stuff i should take to puberty max is same, folic acid, hexalerin, and meclizine?

 

[Deleted member 8053]

May I have everyone's attention here please.

I have read so far and I'm impressed with the knowledge given by Mr. Strike_Poseidon. Everything seem to click.

Now I do want to propose and call for experimenters here. We will divide this into two groups.

Group A: (for "rich people")

Group A can test the usual stack listed by Mr. Strike_Poseidon as follows

SAM-E (2g entric coat tablet)
Folic Acid 800 mg
Hexarelin
Meclizine


Now Three of the components above are easy to obtain but Hexarelin may NOT be easy to obtain as there are a lot of counterfeit and fake ones and may be expensive SO ... now I do propose another methods (two method below) ...

That's reserved for Group B and/or Group C


Group B: ("semi-rich people)

SAM-E (2g entric coat tablet)
Folic Acid 800 mg
Puerarin
Meclizine

If you are scared of womanizing effects of Puerarin then I propose another one... Last one.


For Group C: (for "not so rich but no so poor")

They will take

SAM-E (2g entric coat tablet)
Folic Acid 800 mg
Si Wu Tang + Sprinting
Meclizine

Now the change in this group went from Hexarelin to Si Wu Tang...

Now before any of you guys will say "WTF is Si Wu Tang". Si Wu Tang is a chinese herbal extract that stimuates Pi3K pathway just like Hexarelin although not as powerful as Hex but indeed stimulates longitudinal bone growth via Pi3K pathway.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24156308 (Si Wu Tang activates bone formation via Pi3K pathway

Where to obtain them Si Wu Tang?

Si Wu Tang 120 capsules - Blue Poppy Classics

Si Wu Tang 120 Capsules by Blue Poppy - Free Shipping On All Orders $25+! Fast shipping. No tax.

www.camformulas.com

or go to your local Chinese herbal medicine or acupuncture and ask them for Si Wu Tang (four herbal components that makes up Si Wu Tang)


Now here is where I get cloudy.

Hexarelin also increases HGH? Correct me if I'm wrong...

Since there was no mention that Si Wu Tang increases HGH, we can just add biking and sprinting to try to get imitative results as from you would be doing from Hex alone.


What do you guys think?


Thank you for giving me your undivided attention.

biking or sprining liek the actul activity like runnung or going on a bike? how would that help

 

[Deleted member 8053]

Good luck brother, many of us are beginning to take this stack

whats the stack again that you guys are taking?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-18138/I-stop-growing.html Like I said, increasing methylation too much will make sure you never stop growing, like this article says there is no cure to stop him from growing he will just keep growing till he dies, stick to my dosages and timings and you should be fine, moreover this article says that he can't stop growing but he doesn't have any tumor which is where the hypermethylation part ALSO comes in https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/gigantism#:~:text=There are also rare genetic,as acromegaly, can affect adults.

'There are also rare genetic conditions that can cause gigantism without the child having an adenoma. Examples include Sotos syndrome, Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome, and Weaver syndrome' all well known epigenetic defects there is also DMNT3A overgrowth syndrome which can contribute for this anyway.

Both sotos and weaver syndrome linked to inactivation of NSD1 gene: https://www.pnas.org/content/106/51/21830
'NSD1 Promoter CpG Island Hypermethylation Leads to Gene Inactivation'

I have experienced sides when taking that sam-e or folic and folinic acid that involve major cramps at times, just something to keep in mind

 

[Atem Rah]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-18138/I-stop-growing.html Like I said, increasing methylation too much will make sure you never stop growing, like this article says there is no cure to stop him from growing he will just keep growing till he dies, stick to my dosages and timings and you should be fine, moreover this article says that he can't stop growing but he doesn't have any tumor which is where the hypermethylation part ALSO comes in https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/gigantism#:~:text=There are also rare genetic,as acromegaly, can affect adults.

'There are also rare genetic conditions that can cause gigantism without the child having an adenoma. Examples include Sotos syndrome, Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome, and Weaver syndrome' all well known epigenetic defects there is also DMNT3A overgrowth syndrome which can contribute for this anyway.

Both sotos and weaver syndrome linked to inactivation of NSD1 gene: https://www.pnas.org/content/106/51/21830
'NSD1 Promoter CpG Island Hypermethylation Leads to Gene Inactivation'

I have experienced sides when taking that sam-e or folic and folinic acid that involve major cramps at times, just something to keep in mind

Hey strike, Is your method effective even for adults ?
And If a person grows using your method, will it have any side effects on his progeny ?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Hey strike, Is your method effective even for adults ?
And If a person grows using your method, will it have any side effects on his progeny ?

2'adults' have already grown from it (plus 1 who didn't even take full stack grew too)