The Ultimate pubertymaxxing guide, an introduction into androgens and growth factors, and how to apply them.

[Deleted member 2756]

I honestly don't trust Chinese sources at all and also the shipping laws. Aren't there any alternative sources of exogenous DHT that are legal or won't fuck up my growth? I am Norwood 0 anyways.

All my sources are chinese.

it legit doesn't matter.

 

[BackFromTheMogging]

Preface:
I've had a lot of questions in my pm's recently regarding growth hormone, IGF-1, and androgens.
specifically, people asking me for sources and stacks, how they work, etc, I'm hoping this guide will be able to answer as many of your questions as possible.

Disclaimer:
this thread is going to be very long, I'm going, to begin with explaining each of these chemicals, their mechanisms, and functions whilst also citing studies,
if you're wanting to learn how to apply these chemicals to your protocol than skip down to where I begin talking about methods.

Introduction:
Okay, so this in this thread I'm going to do my best at explaining how growth factors and androgens
affect facial development, induce sexual dimorphism and vertical growth, I'm going to begin
explaining the biological mechanisms of these hormones and then how you can apply them
cost-effectively.

HGH:
Somatropin, commonly referred to as HGH or GH is a 191 amino acid chain that is produced by the pituitary gland,
this peptide stimulates growth, cell reproduction, and cell regeneration in humans and other animals. It is thus important in human development.
GH also stimulates the production of IGF-1 and increases the concentration of glucose and free fatty acids. It belongs to a family of hormones known as the growth hormone family. This also includes prolactin (PRL) and placental lactogen. Despite the obvious differences in function, these hormones share a very similar structure. Likewise, GH and PRL are the only two non-tropic hormones synthesized and released from the anterior pituitary gland. (So yes if you're taking cabergoline you will inhibit growth hormone as they are from the same family).

Growth hormone itself isn't actually what induces growth, it's the metabolites of somatropin that induce cell proliferation, hyperplasia, and hypertrophy.
this class of growth factors is called insulin-like growth factors, they are molecularly structured similar to that of insulin, somatropin is needed for the creation of IGF's within the liver. IGF-2 is the primary growth factor responsible for fetal development, whereas IGF-1 is the primary growth factor responsible for inducing growth within adolescent children. (more on insulin-like growth factors later).

somatropin is needed for the development of our bodies, the reason us looksmaxxers are obsessed with it is because of dimorphic growth-related effects
that are induced by the insulin-like growth factor family of hormones.

somatropin's effect on craniofacial development within children.




Yes, these children did have GHDD (growth hormone deficiency disorder), but this doesn't disprove that the usage of exogenous somatropin
can induce craniofacial growth. These children would have been administrated growth hormone dosages that would have aligned with normal children's endogenous production. Our goal with growth hormone is to increase the endogenous production of IGF-1 way above super physiological levels in order to affect our craniofacial growth. Keep in mind, in this study the children were dosed 0.5IU daily, that's around 15-fold less than what I suggest you should dose daily, and these children still reap the positive craniofacial benefits.

The abstract of a study based on how the GH/IGF-1 axis influences bone formation, growth, and remodeling.


somatropin's effect on hard tissue, bone formation, and osteoclasts.


somatropin effects on bone formation through osteoblasts.


The GH/IGF-1 axis and it's interaction with androgens when it comes to bone formation.



Insulin-like growth factors, specifically somatomedin-C (IGF-1):
IGF-1 is produced all the way throughout life. The highest rates of IGF-1 production occur during the pubertal growth spurt. The lowest levels occur in infancy and old age. This is why children grow rapidly during puberty, somatropin is at an all-time high, meaning more conversion to IGF-1, typically in healthy children, the baseline IGF-1 scoring is between 250-500ng/dl, although higher IGF-1 scoring is possible with exogenous intervention.

IGF-1 is a primary mediator of the effects of somatropin (GH), growth hormone is released into the bloodstream, and then stimulates the liver to produce insulin-like growth factors, we are specifically focusing on IGF-1. These IGF's then stimulate systemic body growth and has growth-promoting effects on almost every cell in the body, especially skeletal muscle, cartilage, bone, liver, etc... In addition to the insulin-like effects, IGF-1 can also regulate cellular DNA synthesis. IGF-1 is our friend, we want our levels to be sky-high during puberty to reap all of the dimorphic growth and surpass our genetic potential, there are some road blockages though, along with the insulin-like growth factor family comes the IGFBP's (insulin-like growth factor binding proteins) yeah it's a mouth full jfl. These proteins bind to IGF-1 and inhibit it from attaching to the IGF-1R, basically, it renders our IGF-1 useless within the body. These proteins, unfortunately, have a high affinity to bind to IGF's, there are counter measurements to these IGFBP's though, stay tuned.

Protein intake increases IGF-1 levels in humans, independent of total calorie consumption. Factors that are known to cause variation in the levels of growth hormone (GH) and IGF-1 in the circulation include insulin levels, genetic make-up, the time of day, age, sex, exercise status, stress levels, nutrition level and body mass index, disease state, ethnicity, and estrogen status.

I'm not going to be citing studies for IGF-1, as GH and IGF-1 fall in the same category, the GH/IGF-1 axis is what influences growth.

Androgens, androgenic metabolites, and pro-hormones:
despite the common knowledge surrounding testosterone there seems to be less appreciation when it comes to other androgens. Androgens are synthesized from cholesterol and are produced primarily in the gonads (testicles and ovaries) and also in the adrenal glands to a small extent. The testicles produce a much higher quantity than the ovaries in females. Dimorphic growth is heavily dependent on androgens, specifically testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), I'm going to be underling each androgen, and their biological mechanisms.

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Testosterone:
testosterone is the primary male sex hormone that is responsible for differentiating a male fetus from a female fetus, In male humans, testosterone plays a key role in the development of reproductive tissues such as testes and prostate, as well as promoting sexual dimorphisms such as increased muscle mass, bone mass and the growth of body hair. The pituitary gland located within the brain produces a signaling chemical called luteinizing hormone (LH), LH signals the Leydig cells within the testes to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. Production of luteinizing hormone spikes during puberty, sending multiple signals to the Leydig cells to produce more testosterone, in turn, promoting masculinization and dimorphism to occur.

the effect of low dose testosterone on the craniofacial development in children with delayed puberty.


Keep in mind, these children didn't have zero testosterone, they were just experiencing delayed puberty, low dose testosterone was enough to kickstart their craniofacial development.

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Dihydrotestosterone:
DHT is biologically important for sexual differentiation of the male genitalia during embryogenesis, maturation of the penis and scrotum at puberty, growth of facial, body and pubic hair, and development and maintenance of the prostate gland and seminal vesicles. It is produced from testosterone by an enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase (5AR) in select tissues and is the primary androgen in the genitals, prostate gland, seminal vesicles, skin, and hair follicles. Dihydrotestosterone can have up to 5x the potency of testosterone when it comes to inducing androgenic dimorphism, that isn't to say that testosterone isn't important though.

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Androsterone:
Androsterone is an androgenic steroid derived via the activity of the enzyme 5-AR and is a downstream metabolite of the more potent androgen DHT. Like all 5-AR derived androgens, androsterone displays anti-estrogenic and anti-glucocorticoid activity and in addition, serves as a pro-hormone for DHT and other potent androgens. In addition, androsterone is a neurosteroid with potent GABA agonist activity and is known to function as a pheromone in many animal species including humans. It has been shown to possess anti-depressant and anti-proliferative effects. Perhaps most importantly, it has been found to act like as a potent thyroid mimetic and as such to increase basal temperature, oxygen consumption and lower lipid levels in humans.

androsterone and its effect on the masculinization of male fetuses.





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dehydroepiandrosterone
Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), also known as androstenolone, is an endogenous steroid hormone. It is one of the most abundant circulating steroids in humans, in whom it is produced in the adrenal glands, the gonads, and the brain. It functions as a metabolic intermediate in the biosynthesis of the androgen and estrogen sex steroids both in the gonads and in various other tissues. On its own, it's a very weak androgen, but it potently converts to testosterone within certain tissue, it is more abundant within females than males as it also converts to estrogen.

How to apply these hormones to your protocol:

let's begin with the growth hormone/igf1 aspect to our protocol, our main goal is to induce craniofacial growth (specifically maxillary and mandibular growth), vertical growth, and dimorphism, this can be achieved via a multitude of method, here we go.

How to increase IGF-1 levels beyond the super physiological natural range
through the usage of exogenous GH and PEPTIDES:

Method 1:
Recombinant growth hormone:
increasing our IGF-1 levels beyond the super physiological range is simple, although I disagree with some of
@Extra Chromosome's opinions on heightmaxxing, I'm going to do my best to express my opinion as I have experience and knowledge within the field of GH and Peptides.

To begin with, I personally think the usage of recombinant growth hormone (synthetic bioidentical somatropin) is the best and most practical way to increase IGF-1 and induce growth, that's not to say that peptides don't have their place, but they aren't as effective as HGH (I'll go into more detail later). Recombinant growth hormone is expensive, very expensive, but if you source it correctly you can bypass the majority of the cost issues.

I'd suggest dosing HGH at around 5IU-8IU's daily. This will skyrocket your IGF-1, even more so if you're a teenager as the conversion rate from somatropin to IGF-1 is higher, in most growing teenagers this amount of GH will put you into the 700-900ng/dl range for IGF-1 scoring, at this level cell proliferation, hyperplasia and osteoblast/osteoclast activity will increase dramatically. In other words, you'll grow, vertically and horizontally. If your soul usage of HGH is for height gains than either exemestane, letrozole or Arimidex will suffice for aromatase inhibition.

To sum method 1 up:
5-8iu's of HGH ED
(optional) Aromatase inhibitor of your choice.

Method 2:
HGH combined with IGF-1 LR3 and IGF-1 DES.
the combination of both exogenous GH and exogenous IGF-1 is amazing. As I've mentioned above alongside insulin-like growth factors comes IGFBP's (Insulin-like growth factor binding proteins) IGFPB's have a high affinity to bind onto IGF-1 and IGF-2 within the bloodstream rendering them useless and unable to attach to the IGF-1R and IGF-2R, meaning a small portion of the HGH that we inject into ourselves is going to waste as these proteins are rendering the IGF-1 unable to function, there is a way around this.

the polypeptides IGF-LR3 and IGF-DES have a low affinity to bind to the IGFBP's, meaning they are up to 3x more potent than regular endogenous IGF-1. IGF-1LR3 also happens to have a half-life of up to 30 hours. IGF-DES is even more potent than LR3, the only downside is that it has a 30-minute half-life before it is metabolized by the body, DES also happens to be more localized, so we are going to opt for LR3 in this method as it is more systemic than DES. The combination of HGH and exogenous IGF-1 will guarantee growth. (if your plates are open of course).

To sum method 2 up:
5-8iu's of HGH ED
IGF-1 LR3 100mcg ED
(optional) IGF-1 DES 50mcg ED
(optional) Aromatase inhibitor

Method 3
Peptide protocol.
peptides can be great for increasing serum levels of growth hormone and inevitably increasing IGF-1 scoring within the blood, the reason why I prefer synthetic GH is that the pituitary gland can only produce so much GH, meaning there is a limit to the number of signals it can take to produce a certain amount of somatropin. For example, you could inject more exogenous GH than you could make endogenous GH with the help of peptides, I hope that makes sense. Peptides can still boost your IGF-1 scoring beyond the natural range, some peptides even stimulate the Pi3k pathways, which is a bonus.

peptides are split up into 2 categories, GHRH's and GHRP's, our bodies make growth hormone-releasing hormone to signal the somatroph cells to produce somatropin within the pituitary gland, GHRH peptides basically tell the pituitary to release GH, growth hormone-releasing peptides basically amplify the production of growth hormone that is being secreted, stacking both a GHRH and a GHRP is necessary for increasing IGF-1 as they synergize well.

here's the peptide protocol that I recommend, whilst on this stack my IGF-1 came back at over 800ng/dl, in that time period I grew an inch and a half in height within 2 and a half months.



switching back and forth from hexarelin and GHRP-2 is necessary as desensitization will occur whilst using hexarelin at any dosage for longer than 14 days. Having 14 days off and 7 days on allows your body to sensitize to the peptide again. I do not recommend the usage of CJC DAC as it has been proven to cause damage to the pituitary gland with chronic usage.

Okay, that sums up the GH/IGF-1 section, overall I'd say if you're on a budget than peptides is the route you should take, if you have more money to spend than go for HGH if you're really fucking determined than take the HGH/IGF-1LR3 route.

The good thing about working with somatropin and peptides is that exogenous usage won't cause a negative feedback loop to occur, meaning if you discontinue the usage of growth hormone you won't feel like shit as you would with testosterone (unless you do a correct PCT). Your endogenous somatropin will begin producing normally again.

How to increase endogenous androgen activity without causing suppression
or shutdown from occurring:
working with androgens can be tricky and dangerous, you can take two routes with androgens, you can either take metabolites and non-suppressive prohormones or you can take androgens like testosterone and cause a shutdown.

the usage of androgens such as dehydroepiandrosterone and androsterone along with progesterone can be of great benefit to those who are looking
to masculinize themselves without using testosterone. dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is one of the most abundant steroid hormones within the human body, it is produced by the adrenals and can be converted to either testosterone or estrogen. The supplementation of exogenous DHEA alone can lead to both an increase in estrogen and testosterone, combining DHEA with androsterone is a good idea as androsterone is a very powerful anti-aromatase, estrogen isn't the enemy, it's just having high estrogen is a negative, inhibiting the aromatase enzyme from converting testosterone from converting to estrogen allows for the DHEA to convert into testosterone smoothly without a spike in estrogen as your original estrogen will just be replaced.

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The usage of Delta-sleep-inducing-peptide to increase natural testosterone:
my recent findings suggest that the usage of the delta-sleep inducing peptide (DSIP) can greatly benefit steroid users who are trying to regain their LH production.
DSIP increases the amount of gonadotropin that is being secreted at night time, gonadotropin signals the pituitary gland to produce LH, that LH than signals the Leydig cells to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. More gonadotropin signaling = more luteinizing hormone signaling meaning more testosterone being made. DSIP also happens to block corticotropin from releasing cortisol, meaning cortisol cannot antagonize testosterone, leaving you with more testosterone to circulate the bloodstream. DSIP also blocks the release of somatostatin (growth hormone inhibiting hormone), somatostatins role is to lower growth hormone if it raises to high, so by blocking the release of this hormone we are preventing our blood serum level of GH dropping.

Delta-sleep inducing peptide is a must for those looking to increase testosterone without the usage of AAS or those who are using peptides and/or Recombinant GH, as it has potent somatostatin inhibiting properties.
check out my thread on DSIP

The usage of HCG
human chorionic gonadotropin is an LH mimic that can be injected subcutaneously, it acts the exact same way that LH does in that it signals the Leydig cells to produce testosterone, HCG will keep your balls from shrinking if you're running testosterone on an AAS cycle. It can increase testosterone but it has a tendency to also increase estrogen, in combination with testosterone it can induce dimorphism greatly, whilst maintaining testicular functions and fertility, it can also be implemented to make your PCT easier.

The usage of exogenous testosterone:
the usage of exogenous testosterone can greatly induce sexual dimorphism, increase bone density, anabolism, protein synthesis, and nitrogen retention. Whilst also saturated the androgen receptors. There are obvious downsides to the usage, but if done effectively there shouldn't be any issues. For teenagers willing to run testosterone, (I don't condone the usage) I'd suggest using testosterone base (no ester attached) dissolved into DMSO applied to the skin, I'd also suggest that you take the best measure to run a safe and sought out PCT.

The usage of exogenous dihydrotestosterone (androstanolone)
dihydrotestosterone can be very beneficial for those who are in the midst of puberty, at the correct dosages it isn't very suppressive and if minimal suppression occurs, then you can easily bounce back. Androstanolone is a synthetic DHT that is bioidentical to DHT. The usage of dihydrotestosterone will have an intense masculinizing effect, if you're in puberty it may affect the size of your penis and frame.

You can make a transdermal concoction with DMSO and androstanolone, with a high absorption rate. Androstanolone is an extremely androgenic steroid hormone, it has highly anti-estrogenic properties so be cautious with the dosages if you don't want to crash your E2 levels.
check out my thread on dihydrotestosterone

conclusion
a combination of both high dosages of either recombinant growth hormone or peptides alongside the optimization or exogenous usage of androgens is synergistic when it comes to craniofacial forward growth, sexual dimorphism and vertical growth.

here's my current stack for perspective.


this took like 3 days to make because I'm a lazy cunt, anyways hoped you gained something from it.

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hoping that'll answer some questions for you guys.
@JustTrynaGrow @Slyfex8 @draco @Don't Forget to mew @Tom2004 @Crazzen8 @ht-normie-ascending @Dr Shekelberg @forwardgrowth @maxmendietta @PubertyMaxxer @apollothegun @KKK

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This is an EC level hugh quality post. MIT level of analysis and synthesis capacities

 

[BackFromTheMogging]

does anybody want me to make a part 2 for pubertymaxxing?

revolving around my opinions on diet and how diet can impact testosterone, thyroid hormones, and IGF-1.

niga hell yeah

of course it is m8, if ur growth plates are open HGH+IGF-1 LR3 will GUARANTEE growth

i knnow this thread is dead but what would be the dosages for IGF and GH ?

 

[Chemicel]

Give me results or this is the biggest cope on this forum

 

[Deleted member 2621]

I don't actually condone the usage of mk677 alone,

but in combination with CJC no dac or modgrf it can work.

theres just better options out there

it's really powerful, i actually still use it regardless of the fact that I use it's big brother dht aswell.

whats the problem with mk677 alone?

 

[Deleted member 2756]

whats the problem with mk677 alone?

it's dog shit. Nothinh much to say.

 

[SayNoToRotting]

Woah!

So much valuable information only for me to not give a single shit and just eat a lot of calories, train, and chew.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

Woah!

So much valuable information only for me to not give a single shit and just eat a lot of calories, train, and chew.

>chewing

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Give me results or this is the biggest cope on this forum

results have not been shown with HGH/peptides , AI AND igf-1 lr3 because noone in this forum has ever done a stack like that (or maybe they have but they ain't telling us) nevertheless there are results from compromised versions i forgot which thread it was on tho...

 

[Deleted member 2756]

where did you learn it from?

just sources from the internet

 

[Mpc93]

Hey great write up, what do you suggest for a guy who missed this window and is 26? I have access to just about any raw powder and peptides and also hgh

 

[Deleted member 2756]

Hey great write up, what do you suggest for a guy who missed this window and is 26? I have access to just about any raw powder and peptides and also hgh

yeah its over for you.

at 20 it's over, 26 is 6 years later, sorry man.

 

[Mpc93]

yeah its over for you.

at 20 it's over, 26 is 6 years later, sorry man.

So I wouldn’t see any physical benefits from hgh or other compounds?

 

[Deleted member 656]

Throwback to when self-respecting adults claiming high IQs that made fun of normie NPCs decided to buy and inject very high doses of extremely expensive experimental chemicals sold only for research purposes on dodgy Eastern-European and Chinese websites with no proof of purity because they were told it'd make them grow taller and broader by an insecure 17 year old manlet curry with no qualifications whatsoever and with legit psychosis, who posted from the psych ward and that looked like this:

@Extra Chromosome The Wolf of Mumbai

 

[Mpc93]

Maybe a cm or 2 of spine growth.

What is ur concern? Height, frame, ????

Well I know it’s too late to grow in height but I’m thinking like facial structure, jaw etc and maybe youthful skin from hgh

 

[Mr.cope]

Literally a broscience thread

 

[Deleted member 656]

That fucker is dead probably

He's in curry heaven

 

[Deleted member 2756]

Throwback to when self-respecting adults claiming high IQs that made fun of normie NPCs decided to buy and inject very high doses of extremely expensive experimental chemicals sold only for research purposes on dodgy Eastern-European and Chinese websites with no proof of purity because they were told it'd make them grow taller and broader by an insecure 17 year old manlet curry with no qualifications whatsoever and with legit psychosis, who posted from the psych ward and that looked like this:

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@Extra Chromosome The Wolf of Mumbai

he genuinely didn't know that much tbh. Also, I have an actual passion for biochem, I'm aiming for a high enough score to do biomedicine in uni next year.

also was he actually a manlet? cage if so.

 

[Deleted member 656]

he genuinely didn't know that much tbh. Also, I have an actual passion for biochem, I'm aiming for a high enough score to do biomedicine in uni next year.

also was he actually a manlet? cage if so.

Yes he was

He used to PM me angry messages every time I mentioned my height

 

[Deleted member 2756]

 

[BackFromTheMogging]

Maybe a cm or 2 of spine growth.

What is ur concern? Height, frame, ????

Wait how would he get a 2cm growth at 26 ?

 

[Grey]

@Dyrotic2 Would it make much of a difference if you lowered the dosage from 100mcg 3x a day to 50mcg 3x a day? I need a fucking job and amazon just locked my account with my money

 

[Deleted member 2756]

@Dyrotic2 Would it make much of a difference if you lowered the dosage from 100mcg 3x a day to 50mcg 3x a day? I need a fucking job and amazon just locked my account with my money

If you're referring to peptides than yes it would.

also, this thread is outdated, my ideas and perspective has changed quite a bit.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Will do the peptide stack along with delta sleep enducing peptide. Gonna start soon

What are your bloodwork results from DSIP?

 

[Mateusz74]

What are your bloodwork results from DSIP?

I didn’t get any bloodwork done

 

[Tovelino]

Ok my stuff arrived.

Had my first injection last night at 3UI and feeling okay, should I slowly build up to 5-7IU and see how I feel then?
Dyrotic did you experience sides and just ignored them or was it normal for you at 7.5?

So I am 19, 20 in 3 months, checked plates in 2 months ago and it was open, hand closing but looking at the scan you can see its pretty much really close to being closed, even knees and femur you can barely see growth plates
Is it even worth it to take Aromasin at this point trying to prolong the closure?

I am 175/5'9 and at this point 180 would be great, but seems out of reach considering the kids who are on hgh treatment in lower teens age 14-16 run it for 2 years. I already see a future where I do this for 6 months and end up with 1.5 cm gains fk its brutal.

Full stack:
HGH
IGF1 LR3 (arriving soon)
Glucosamine, Cholo and MSM
Zinc, Mag, B6, D3,
Melatonin

Should I get K2?
Anything else I should get?
I got money and honestly this is really important to me

What about method3 from Extra Chromosome's thread about getting 3cm/1inch in spine cartilages, did anyone manage to do that?

@Dyorotic2 @Strike_Poseidon

 

[Deleted member 4946]

Ok my stuff arrived.

Had my first injection last night at 3UI and feeling okay, should I slowly build up to 5-7IU and see how I feel then?
Dyrotic did you experience sides and just ignored them or was it normal for you at 7.5?

So I am 19, 20 in 3 months, checked plates in 2 months ago and it was open, hand closing but looking at the scan you can see its pretty much really close to being closed, even knees and femur you can barely see growth plates
Is it even worth it to take Aromasin at this point trying to prolong the closure?

I am 175/5'9 and at this point 180 would be great, but seems out of reach considering the kids who are on hgh treatment in lower teens age 14-16 run it for 2 years. I already see a future where I do this for 6 months and end up with 1.5 cm gains fk its brutal.

Full stack:
HGH
IGF1 LR3 (arriving soon)
Glucosamine, Cholo and MSM
Zinc, Mag, B6, D3,
Melatonin

Should I get K2?
Anything else I should get?
I got money and honestly this is really important to me

What about method3 from Extra Chromosome's thread about getting 3cm/1inch in spine cartilages, did anyone manage to do that?

@Dyorotic2 @Strike_Poseidon

dw a guy ur age using HGH+ IGF-1 LR3 gained 2cm in a month, never think it is over so quickly, take SAM-E as well 2000 mg of enteric coated tablet is a must if you want the height inhibitng genes, to be turned 'off' to an extent. I recommend u take aromasin as well as anti-androgen as it has been shown that they alone even without GH treatment have 'significantly' increased AH of teens

 

[BasedSpinelet257]

dw a guy ur age using HGH+ IGF-1 LR3 gained 2cm in a month, never think it is over so quickly, take SAM-E as well 2000 mg of enteric coated tablet is a must if you want the height inhibitng genes, to be turned 'off' to an extent. I recommend u take aromasin as well as anti-androgen as it has been
shown that they alone even without GH treatment have 'significantly' increased AH of teens

Why 2000 mg?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

If you're referring to peptides than yes it would.

also, this thread is outdated, my ideas and perspective has changed quite a bit.

Can you post a update?

 

[Deleted member 2756]

dw a guy ur age using HGH+ IGF-1 LR3 gained 2cm in a month, never think it is over so quickly, take SAM-E as well 2000 mg of enteric coated tablet is a must if you want the height inhibitng genes, to be turned 'off' to an extent. I recommend u take aromasin as well as anti-androgen as it has been shown that they alone even without GH treatment have 'significantly' increased AH of teens

extremely irresponsible. Stop promoting the idea of castrating yourself for a little bit of extra height.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

extremely irresponsible. Stop promoting the idea of castrating yourself for a little bit of extra height.

it's not 'little bit' might i remind you what 'significant' means?

 

[Deleted member 2756]

it's not 'little bit' might i remind you what 'significant' means?

doesn't matter,

you're risking your masculinity and possible hypogonadism for some height. I'd say that's highly irresponsible.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

doesn't matter,

you're risking your masculinity and possible hypogonadism for some height. I'd say that's highly irresponsible.

ye thats true

 

[Deleted member 2756]

ye thats true

hey, also.

why don't you include GH in your stack? why peptides?

 

[Deleted member 4946]

hey, also.

why don't you include GH in your stack? why peptides?

shit too expensive m8, i only get 300 bucks a month, plus with this corona shit going on my stuff is coming very late now which is why im delaying my tanner stage time and bone age to the best i can

 

[Deleted member 2756]

im still buying my shit, right now im on mk677 aromasin and melatonin as well as non flush niacin (my mistake). Everything is else is still getting shipped and shit

For gh boosting, one month i take mk677, cjc 1295 dac and melatonin and niacin

next month it is all hexarelin and ghrp-2 and MOD GRF-129

both months will include aromtase inhibitor and I am saving more money for glucosamine chondritin msm sam-e

And also once i've got all my shit sorted with that every month im also gonna take IGF-1 LR3 as well, so ye

fuck I'd literally do anything to go back to when I was 15.

would be 6'5 right now. I swear to god, don't fuck this up.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

fuck I'd literally do anything to go back to when I was 15.

would be 6'5 right now. I swear to god, don't fuck this up.

yeah u would've, im really hoping i wont

 

[Deleted member 2756]

yeah u would've, im really hoping i wont

I've got a source of growth hormone, generic blacktops from china, they advertise at 10iu per vial but I'd assume it's more around 7-8iu per vial. I can get 500iu for less than $600AUD, which is amazing. Because running two vials daily will put me at 25 days straight of around 15-17.5iu ED Which is more than enough, and probably way beyond the point of diminishing returns.

Also planning on running CJC-1295 for the long-acting GHRHR agonism, along with pyridostigmine to keep somatostatin under cholinergic suppression. Again, as I've mentioned, somatostatin is pro-apoptosis and anti-proliferative as all tissue contain SSR1-5, keeping somatostatin inhibited ensures that it won't have a regulatory effect on circulating GH.

IGF-1 LR3 is still an option, but desensitization occurs easily, and there isn't any real way of testing its legitimacy as it isn't identical to endogenous IGF-1, if anything it is just an IGF1R agonist.

 

[Deleted member 4946]

I've got a source of growth hormone, generic blacktops from china, they advertise at 10iu per vial but I'd assume it's more around 7-8iu per vial. I can get 500iu for less than $600AUD, which is amazing. Because running two vials daily will put me at 25 days straight of around 15-17.5iu ED Which is more than enough, and probably way beyond the point of diminishing returns.

Also planning on running CJC-1295 for the long-acting GHRHR agonism, along with pyridostigmine to keep somatostatin under cholinergic suppression. Again, as I've mentioned, somatostatin is pro-apoptosis and anti-proliferative as all tissue contain SSR1-5, keeping somatostatin inhibited ensures that it won't have a regulatory effect on circulating GH.

IGF-1 LR3 is still an option, but desensitization occurs easily, and there isn't any real way of testing its legitimacy as it isn't identical to endogenous IGF-1, if anything it is just an IGF1R agonist.

do a 40 day on cycle and 20 day off of IGF-1 LR3 also i recommend u take t3 throid as well since dr sam robbins' video shows that he has seen a formula like that work and since me and u live in australia, my source for it is https://ozgear.is/product/t3-liothyronine-25mcg-x-100-tablets-core-anabolics/, also to stimulate pi3k pathway take hexarelin on cycle as well.

I also have a question i gotta ask u, ur buying all the GH from overseas right and not domestically like me, how does it not got seized? Has it ever been seized before or gotten delayed by customs. Also what's ur GH source now? Ironlabs doesn't work

 

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do a 40 day on cycle and 20 day off of IGF-1 LR3 also i recommend u take t3 throid as well since dr sam robbins' video shows that he has seen a formula like that work and since me and u live in australia, my source for it is https://ozgear.is/product/t3-liothyronine-25mcg-x-100-tablets-core-anabolics/, also to stimulate pi3k pathway take hexarelin on cycle as well.

I also have a question i gotta ask u, ur buying all the GH from overseas right and not domestically like me, how does it not got seized? Has it ever been seized before or gotten delayed by customs. Also what's ur GH source now? Ironlabs doesn't work

I've gotten labs for thyroid before, nothing to worry about, you could say I'm borderline hyperthyroid. Also, thyroid is the last thing I want to be fucking around with, definitely not an aspect of the endocrine system I want to be altering.

have you got a link for hexarelin's efficacy? I've seen a study that suggests endogenous Ghrelin is more effective at agonizing the GHRS and Ghrelin receptor within the pituitary, in turn skyrocketing serum GH levels.

IGF-1LR3 is something I don't plan on adding to my protocol, shit's harder to source than actual generic GH, and regardless, most of it is underdosed and oft times faked. If I was to take exogenous IGF-1 it'd be increlex (recombinant IGF-1) or IGF-1DES (10x more potent than IGF-1LR3).

Also, I've bought testosterone-base, dihydrotestosterone powder and growth hormone from China, all of which have made it to my doorstep in Australia fine.

 

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I've gotten labs for thyroid before, nothing to worry about, you could say I'm borderline hyperthyroid. Also, thyroid is the last thing I want to be fucking around with, definitely not an aspect of the endocrine system I want to be altering.

have you got a link for hexarelin's efficacy? I've seen a study that suggests endogenous Ghrelin is more effective at agonizing the GHRS and Ghrelin receptor within the pituitary, in turn skyrocketing serum GH levels.

IGF-1LR3 is something I don't plan on adding to my protocol, shit's harder to source than actual generic GH, and regardless, most of it is underdosed and oft times faked. If I was to take exogenous IGF-1 it'd be increlex (recombinant IGF-1) or IGF-1DES (10x more potent than IGF-1LR3).

Also, I've bought testosterone-base, dihydrotestosterone powder and growth hormone from China, all of which have made it to my doorstep in Australia fine.

iRONLABS aint working for me now ffs https://www.researchgate.net/public...ktGlycogen_Synthase_Kinase-3b_Phosphorylation

 

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iRONLABS aint working for me now ffs

yeah ironlion closed temporarily due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Alibaba is up and running, if you find the right source than you're got to go with GH.

 

[Matthias8272]

Make one on how you're even supposed to find these and know they're legitimate.

 

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Make one on how you're even supposed to find these and know they're legitimate.

there are many sources and many reviews on reddit and other third party sources for things ike IGF-1 LR3 to prove it's legitimacy, If it works well for closed growth plate muscle growth it will work well for open growth plate height growth

 

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there are many sources and many reviews on reddit and other third party sources for things ike IGF-1 LR3 to prove it's legitimacy, If it works well for closed growth plate muscle growth it will work well for open growth plate height growth

you can always send vials to labs to be tested, a good way to determine whether or not a source is selling what they're advertising, whether it's straight-up faked, or underdosed.

 

[jimhess]

Should I bother doing this as a 17 and a half year old?

 

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Should I bother doing this as a 17 and a half year old?

I'm 17 and a half.

It depends on your pubertal timing.

 

[ImASlayer]

i turned 16 a month ago
would these still be effective

 

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i turned 16 a month ago
would these still be effective

completely depends on pubertal timing. If your epiphyseal plates are open, and your parents are in a decent height range than sure, it'll work, it's worth a try. Considering most of the growth hormone and peptide production stems from China, buying what you need is an issue, due to COVID-19. Really fucking sucks.

for the most part, if you were to get your hands on some cheap generic growth hormone, you could dose two vials daily, most generic's are underdosed, they claim 10iu/vial but it's more like 6.5-8.5iu, the higher quality leaning towards the 8-8.5 range, which is great because I've got my hands on a couple of sources that I could run 15-17.5iu daily for 25 days, I'll get bloods 7 days in, IGF-1 and GH and if they come back good I'll taper the dose down to a vial and a half daily (dependent on the blood results).

If you're really wanting to induce growth, I'd suggest slowing down the rate in which your bone age advances. Steroid hormones are the main culprits for the aging of the bone and eventually the closure of the growth plates. Cortisol, testosterone, but specifically dihydrotestosterone and estradiol rapidly age the bone. Letrozole (an aromatase inhibitor) dosed at 0.5mg-1.5mg would decrease aromatase activity by 97.5% which would allow you to get an extra 6-8months of potential growth, due to slowing the rate in which your bone age advances. At 16, you've probably got a couple of months before your plates close naturally, (completely dependent on pubertal timing) some men's femur and tibia plates don't fuse until their early twenties due to late puberty.

Letrozole is easy to source, pharma-grade can be costly though. Generic is less costly, even better, you could buy pure letrozole powder and if you have a scale you could save a shit tonne of money. 100g of straight letrozole powder costs around $80, which could last you 106 years if you dosed it every single day at 2.5mg. I've got sources so pm me if you're interested.

at 15-17.5iu's of generic GH daily you'd probably far exceed the point of diminishing returns, meaning you're IGF-1 would meet its maximum scoring.

 

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completely depends on pubertal timing. If your epiphyseal plates are open, and your parents are in a decent height range than sure, it'll work, it's worth a try. Considering most of the growth hormone and peptide production stems from China, buying what you need is an issue, due to COVID-19. Really fucking sucks.

for the most part, if you were to get your hands on some cheap generic growth hormone, you could dose two vials daily, most generic's are underdosed, they claim 10iu/vial but it's more like 6.5-8.5iu, the higher quality leaning towards the 8-8.5 range, which is great because I've got my hands on a couple of sources that I could run 15-17.5iu daily for 25 days, I'll get bloods 7 days in, IGF-1 and GH and if they come back good I'll taper the dose down to a vial and a half daily (dependent on the blood results).

If you're really wanting to induce growth, I'd suggest slowing down the rate in which your bone age advances. Steroid hormones are the main culprits for the aging of the bone and eventually the closure of the growth plates. Cortisol, testosterone, but specifically dihydrotestosterone and estradiol rapidly age the bone. Letrozole (an aromatase inhibitor) dosed at 0.5mg-1.5mg would decrease aromatase activity by 97.5% which would allow you to get an extra 6-8months of potential growth, due to slowing the rate in which your bone age advances. At 16, you've probably got a couple of months before your plates close naturally, (completely dependent on pubertal timing) some men's femur and tibia plates don't fuse until their early twenties due to late puberty.

Letrozole is easy to source, pharma-grade can be costly though. Generic is less costly, even better, you could buy pure letrozole powder and if you have a scale you could save a shit tonne of money. 100g of straight letrozole powder costs around $80, which could last you 106 years if you dosed it every single day at 2.5mg. I've got sources so pm me if you're interested.

at 15-17.5iu's of generic GH daily you'd probably far exceed the point of diminishing returns, meaning you're IGF-1 would meet its maximum scoring.

not 6-8 months where are u getting all these random numbers from?, teens who used the letrozole had an age of 17.4 but had bone age of 15.3: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27710241 they took it for 24-36 months.