[Theory] JOOS are responsible for inceldom.

[antiantifa]

Let's look at the core of inceldom and it's causes in this thread. First of all, let's start with the basic:

Elementally, men desire the most sex, while women desire the most retrieving resources, and physical and emotional protection. Basically women desire commitment from men.

How does porn play into this? It's quite simple, long time ago there existed very few beta retards, if a guy didn't get sex from a girl he simply didn't pursue her for as long. Of course, exceptions exist, but the majority of men were only interested in sex with women. Today, if a guy wants to have sex, all he has to do is look at porn, you'd think he'd be less sexually interested in females after watching porn, but porn addiction research shows otherwise: porn addiction leads to only more porn addiction, masturbation leads to only more desire for sex, it's an unstoppable loop. So there's basically a ton of sexually frustrated men who not only desire simple sex but are into all kinds of weird fucking kinks as well.

Anyway, let's ignore that for a moment, let's explore some social psychology: It's a known fact that a male and female cannot be platonic friends, one of them will always have feelings for the other. It's also an established fact that friendships are found among people of similar sexual market value. What does this mean? This means that beta orbiters aren't friend-zoned because they're ugly, no, not at all. In fact, to even have the opportunity to be an orbiter you must be around the same SMV as a girl.

So why are there so many beta orbiters? Because they fucking traded their cards for nothing in return. Beta orbiters these days tell Becky's how chad is wrong for dumping her, how beautiful she is, he takes her on dates, he pays for her shit, he makes her happy, they watch movies together, he secretly jerks off to her and fetishizes her in his mind, he defends her physically in public, ALL OF THAT FOR NOTHING IN RETURN EXCEPT A FRIENDSHIP, SOMETHING THIS GUY DOES NOT EVEN DESIRE DEEP DOWN BECAUSE MEN DON'T WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH WOMEN, THEY WANT TO FUCK THEM.

How is all of this connected to porn? Think about it: Beta is raised on porn, he's constantly addicted to porn, he's into all kinds of freak fetishes, even fucking anal is basically normal-tier in his mind now, he's so sex-addicted that he is hopeless, the moment a girl shows any kind of physical interaction to him that even if it is non-sexual he basically loses it and instantly falls in love/commits to her. He's not rejected because he's ugly, he's the same SMV as the girl he's orbiting, instead he's rejected because he commits to the girl before she does anything sexual with him! And he doesn't mind it because there's an infinite amount of porn to quench his thirst for sex temporarily!

Not fucking chads, not fucking stacies, not fucking beckys, but those orbiting betas are ruining the sexual market for men... All of this caused by porn addiction from a very young age. There's a fucking reason why inceldom started slightly later then the time porn became mainstream...

BTW for those who will claim that only a certain percentage of men have ever reproduced, think about the fact that men died very often and children also often died, it makes sense only the very top who had enough access to resources were able to reproduce in a harem-like fashion.

TL;DR Inceldom is caused by porn addiction, JOOS ARE BEHIND INCELDOM!

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

 

[Deleted member 13854]

 

[gamma]

Inceldom is caused by below average face (or extreme manlet/framelet)

Stop the cope

 

[Deleted member 6403]

water

 

[antiantifa]

water

So why cope with all this looksmaxxing just to get average Becky? If you're looksmaxxing to get better looking girls then I can understand, but if you can't even pull 3s or 4s while being a 4 yourself, you should work on your personality first to quit being a fucking beta. Then looksmax to like a 6 to pull a girl that is a 6...

 

[Deleted member 6403]

So why cope with all this looksmaxxing just to get average Becky? If you're looksmaxxing to get better looking girls then I can understand, but if you can't even pull 3s or 4s while being a 4 yourself, you should work on your personality first to quit being a fucking beta. Then looksmax to like a 6 to pull a girl that is a 6...

im not average

 

[gamma]

It isn't fault of porn if men are sex addicted and have "weird" fetish

In the past men used to have orgies, anal, incest etc and some men were also bisexual

Ancient Greece

Ancient India

Ancient arabs

 

[antiantifa]

im not average

My point is you should be able to pull non-average girls if your personality is okay, I don't mean personality the way foids mean it, I mean a manly personality.

 

[antiantifa]

It isn't fault of porn if men are sex addicted and have "weird" fetish

In the past men used to have orgies, anal, incest etc and some men were also bisexual

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Jfl, how often did they have them tell me? Once a fucking year? Porn is viewed everyday.

Also gangbangs, orgies, homosexual shit, all of this is basically normalized today because of porn(1 in 5 gen Z is LGBT, there are much worse kinks these days).

 

[antiantifa]

It isn't fault of porn if men are sex addicted and have "weird" fetish

In the past men used to have orgies, anal, incest etc and some men were also bisexual

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Either way you're missing the point, those men did not have to beta orbit to do those things. Neither did they have free unlimited daily access to those sexual acts. Today a beta orbit is just hoping the girl he's orbiting becomes drunk and he either takes advantage of her or doesn't and hopes she falls in love with him because he's such a nice guy(still trying to take advantage of her).

 

[gamma]

Either way you're missing the point, those men did not have to beta orbit to do those things. Neither did they have free unlimited daily access to those sexual acts. Today a beta orbit is just hoping the girl he's orbiting becomes drunk and he either takes advantage of her or doesn't and hopes she falls in love with him because he's such a nice guy(still trying to take advantage of her).

Porn teaches to treat women like pieces of meat
Romantic films and books teaches to be nice and beta, it's their fault

 

[Warlow]

Painting Jews as some super imposing boogeyman once again

 

[randomuser2407]

Actually, porn is nothing like the real world. People who try to make their sexual fantasies into a reality are often disappointed by the result because it doesn't turn them on. You can be into weird fetishes in porn while being extremely vanilla in real life but you'll never realize it until you try it.

Also, no, beta orbiters are not at the same looks level, if that was the case, then they wouldn't be treated as a friend, but as a potential sex partner. The friendzone exists only for men who have a nice guy personality and lack physical appearance for the women that they pursue.

If you don't lack physical appearance or don't try to succeed with women who are out of your league and if you don't act like a nice guy, then you will never be friendzoned. I have never been friendzoned in my life and there was a time where I was average at best in looks, that is because I never tried to succeed with women that were above me.

 

[weallburninhell]

Its because of mewing trend and self improvement guru on yt. Do u think 90% of people here (beside the og from psl) still know this site and other blackpillforum if mewing trend didnt blow? Mike Jew legit doxxed the world and self blackpill it when he say that putting ur toungue to the roof of mouth makes u beautiful even if ur not genetically gifted. He giving hope, HE GIVING FALSE INFORMATION IN EXCHANGE OF TELLING THE WORLD THE IDEAL BEAUTY OF A PERSON IN HES OWN WORDS. Jaw and other facial feature dont even talk by NORMALS like the rest of us before we discover mewing. Before, when we see a beautiful people we define it by our personal taste, we dont know the reasons how a person is so beautiful, we dont know how facial structure work but after mewing, everyone have the knowledge of maxilla, tongue, jaw, etc. AVERAGE PERSON DEFINE BEAUTY BY CHARACTERISTICS BECAUSE THEY HAD THE KNOWLEDGE, WE HAD THE KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE ITS FUCKING MEWING GOT TREND, WE VALUE BEAUTY NOW BY FACIAL CHARACTERISTICS INSTEAD OF HARMONY ON SIGHT. INCELDOM WILL NEVER AND BECAUSE OF MIKE MEW AND ASTRO SKY. I WILL GO BACK IN TIME IF I HAD THE CHANCE AND GASLIGHT MIKE JEW FATHER TO BE A CHEF INSTEAD OF DENTIST TO FIX THE WORLD FOR THE BETTER, IM SO GOOD

 

[weallburninhell]

Its because of mewing trend and self improvement guru on yt. Do u think 90% of people here (beside the og from psl) still know this site and other blackpillforum if mewing trend didnt blow? Mike Jew legit doxxed the world and self blackpill it when he say that putting ur toungue to the roof of mouth makes u beautiful even if ur not genetically gifted. He giving hope, HE GIVING FALSE INFORMATION IN EXCHANGE OF TELLING THE WORLD THE IDEAL BEAUTY OF A PERSON IN HES OWN WORDS. Jaw and other facial feature dont even talk by NORMALS like the rest of us before we discover mewing. Before, when we see a beautiful people we define it by our personal taste, we dont know the reasons how a person is so beautiful, we dont know how facial structure work but after mewing, everyone have the knowledge of maxilla, tongue, jaw, etc. AVERAGE PERSON DEFINE BEAUTY BY CHARACTERISTICS BECAUSE THEY HAD THE KNOWLEDGE, WE HAD THE KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE ITS FUCKING MEWING GOT TREND, WE VALUE BEAUTY NOW BY FACIAL CHARACTERISTICS INSTEAD OF HARMONY ON SIGHT. INCELDOM WILL NEVER AND BECAUSE OF MIKE MEW AND ASTRO SKY. I WILL GO BACK IN TIME IF I HAD THE CHANCE AND GASLIGHT MIKE JEW FATHER TO BE A CHEF INSTEAD OF DENTIST TO FIX THE WORLD FOR THE BETTER, IM SO GOOD

didnt read, just my thoughts didnt matter for me so as you

 

[antiantifa]

Porn teaches to treat women like pieces of meat
Romantic films and books teaches to be nice and beta, it's their fault

This isn't true at all. Porn makes men addicted to sex, then when they are teenagers they get that weird phase where they try to act like they're in a porn movie around girls and fail miserably, they then become betas in hopes of getting even an ounce of physical attention.

Porn makes it seem like women owe men sex and when the men don't get this sex that they are supposedly owed their self-esteem tanks and they start orbiting in hopes of getting the crumbs. And so starts the perpetual beta cycle of low self-esteem and orbiting.

 

[antiantifa]

Actually, porn is nothing like the real world. People who try to make their sexual fantasies into a reality are often disappointed by the result because it doesn't turn them on. You can be into weird fetishes in porn while being extremely vanilla in real life but you'll never realize it until you try it.

Also, no, beta orbiters are not at the same looks level, if that was the case, then they wouldn't be treated as a friend, but as a potential sex partner. The friendzone exists only for men who have a nice guy personality and lack physical appearance for the women that they pursue.

If you don't lack physical appearance or don't try to succeed with women who are out of your league and if you don't act like a nice guy, then you will never be friendzoned. I have never been friendzoned in my life and there was a time where I was average at best in looks, that is because I never tried to succeed with women that were above me.

I agree with first paragraph, but the rest isn't true. Again, SMV is even important in friendships. It's even important in male-male friendships. A woman won't even be friends with a low SMV male.

Men get friendzoned because they give commit to women without sex. The female opposite of a beta is a slut, a chad will pump and dump a slut, but he will never marry her. This is because men want sex, women want men to commit, this is simple TRP theory, so betas are guys that don't get sex but do give a lot of commitment(friendships), while sluts are girls that don't get commitment but do give a lot of sex(fwb, pump and dump, etc...).

I really think the whole confidence thing is legit. If you show the girl she's just another pussy that can be replaced any moment you'll be liked even if you have lower physical SMV. There's plenty of PUA guys that are short but still show videos with good success for example.

But I think even TRP/PUA guys are trying too hard and sticking too long with girls. IMO, once you're at a party/in a club/at a social setting you should start flirting and escalating with every girl, the moment a girl doesn't follow along just go to another one and repeat the process, I bet suddenly the first girl will change her mind.

This is something I've also had happen to me IRL. I liked this girl but she decided to kiss my friend to make me jealous. Joke's on her, I didn't care much and thought it was nice for him so I just kissed her two girlfriends. Guess who fell in love with me in a few hours? Guess who's head was on my lap while her feet were on my friend's lap?

Even a chad with robust jaw, muscular body, tall height and good social status was simping for her and she friendzonded him even though he was way out of his league. Motherfucker even fought me because I fucked her, he was so sad, he was almost crying and saying shit like "she's my future wife blah blah how can you do this we have to fight now etc".

Comitting to a girl, even friendship-wise, is the fucking worst thing you can do to your SMV.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Porn and ((())) are a problem but it's not the reason why subhumans are incels jfl.

 

[antiantifa]

Porn and ((())) are a problem but it's not the reason why subhumans are incels jfl.

jfl looks are relative, a 3/10 girl is looksmatched to a 3/10 subhuman guy, why is the 3/10 guy an incel?

In fact a lot of incels are actually nomie and even above average(a lot of guys here like streege for example).

 

[Deleted member 2729]

jfl looks are relative, a 3/10 girl is looksmatched to a 3/10 subhuman guy, why is the 3/10 guy an incel?

In fact a lot of incels are actually nomie and even above average(a lot of guys here like streege for example).

You know that women are hypergamous and not interested in their looksmatch in most of the cases right?

 

[antiantifa]

You know that women are hypergamous and not interested in their looksmatch in most of the cases right?

Not in countries with good equality, so if you're In U.S you might be right, but where I am in women are not hypergamous. In fact I don't know a single girl IRL that is actually hypergamous. 80% of the time it's a couple that is looksmatched, 15% of the time the girl is actually financially better off than the guy, 5% of the time there is actual hypergamy.

"Humans mate with self-similar partners across a wide array of dimensions. For example, mated partners tend to be improbably similar to one another in terms of education (Mare, 1991), intelligence (Bouchard & McGue, 1981), and physical attractiveness (Feingold, 1988). One critical dimension of assortative mating is that for “mate value,” or overall desirability as a mating partner (Sugiyama, 2015). To the extent that all individuals vie for the most consensually desirable partners on the mating market, those highest in mate value tend to have the greatest power of choice and use that power to select high mate value partners (Kalick & Hamilton, 1986). Mated partners consequently tend to have correlated mate values (Shackelford & Buss, 1997). Such assortative mating for mate value creates “cross-character assortment”: correlations between mated partners on otherwise independent traits (Buss & Barnes, 1986). Consider a scenario in which humans mate assortatively for mate value and mate value is determined by just two preferred characteristics: kindness and intelligence. All else equal, a kind person will be higher in mate value and will tend to attract higher mate value partners. These high mate value partners, relative to randomly chosen partners, are disproportionately likely to be intelligent. Assortative mating for mate value will therefore pair kind people with intelligent partners at above-chance rates. Such crosscharacter assortment does occur in married couples for specific traits; for instance, physically attractive women tend to marry men higher in status and resources (Buss & Schmitt, 2019; Elder, 1969)."

"Walster, Aronson, Abrahams, and Rottman’s (1966) matching hypothesis posits that when initiating romantic relationships, individuals seek out partners whose social desirability approximately equals their own. When choosing a partner, individuals in the dating market assess their own “value” and select the best available candidates who, upon making a similar assessment, are also likely to be attracted to them. Thus, they actually opt for partners of similar social desirability because by selecting partners who are “in their league,” they maximize their chances of a successful outcome. (For a similar argument, see Murstein’s [1970] stimulus-value-role theory.)"

Also even in my shitskin country I am originally from I did see a lot of hypergamy but nowhere near the majority of cases(typically the girl mogged the guy actually and he made slightly more money than her which I consider basically SMV-equated).

 

[Maxim]

Then theres me who doesnt even get put into the friendzone, nor the sex zone
:biden:
Fucking omega male, forgotten i even exist by any women my age

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Not in countries with good equality, so if you're In U.S you might be right, but where I am in women are not hypergamous. In fact I don't know a single girl IRL that is actually hypergamous. 80% of the time it's a couple that is looksmatched, 15% of the time the girl is actually financially better off than the guy, 5% of the time there is actual hypergamy.

"Humans mate with self-similar partners across a wide array of dimensions. For example, mated partners tend to be improbably similar to one another in terms of education (Mare, 1991), intelligence (Bouchard & McGue, 1981), and physical attractiveness (Feingold, 1988). One critical dimension of assortative mating is that for “mate value,” or overall desirability as a mating partner (Sugiyama, 2015). To the extent that all individuals vie for the most consensually desirable partners on the mating market, those highest in mate value tend to have the greatest power of choice and use that power to select high mate value partners (Kalick & Hamilton, 1986). Mated partners consequently tend to have correlated mate values (Shackelford & Buss, 1997). Such assortative mating for mate value creates “cross-character assortment”: correlations between mated partners on otherwise independent traits (Buss & Barnes, 1986). Consider a scenario in which humans mate assortatively for mate value and mate value is determined by just two preferred characteristics: kindness and intelligence. All else equal, a kind person will be higher in mate value and will tend to attract higher mate value partners. These high mate value partners, relative to randomly chosen partners, are disproportionately likely to be intelligent. Assortative mating for mate value will therefore pair kind people with intelligent partners at above-chance rates. Such crosscharacter assortment does occur in married couples for specific traits; for instance, physically attractive women tend to marry men higher in status and resources (Buss & Schmitt, 2019; Elder, 1969)."

"Walster, Aronson, Abrahams, and Rottman’s (1966) matching hypothesis posits that when initiating romantic relationships, individuals seek out partners whose social desirability approximately equals their own. When choosing a partner, individuals in the dating market assess their own “value” and select the best available candidates who, upon making a similar assessment, are also likely to be attracted to them. Thus, they actually opt for partners of similar social desirability because by selecting partners who are “in their league,” they maximize their chances of a successful outcome. (For a similar argument, see Murstein’s [1970] stimulus-value-role theory.)"

Also even in my shitskin country I am originally from I did see a lot of hypergamy but nowhere near the majority of cases(typically the girl mogged the guy actually and he made slightly more money than her which I consider basically SMV-equated).

Where do you live tbh

 

[antiantifa]

Then theres me who doesnt even get put into the friendzone, nor the sex zone
:biden:
Fucking omega male, forgotten i even exist by any women my age

This is what I am talking about, to even be friendzoned you have to be on the same SMV as women, your SMV is probably so low to average girl they don't even want to be friends with you lmao. Share pics bhai?

 

[antiantifa]

Where do you live tbh

Netherlands. Some parts are sketchy here(where a lot of farmers live), but I live in more western part with good income for both men and women.

 

[antiantifa]

You know that women are hypergamous and not interested in their looksmatch in most of the cases right?

There's actually no reason for a girl to be hypergamous if she is financially as equal as the dude(women usually work less so they will always earn less, but per hour they usually earn same amount where I live, I don't think I've once saw hypergamy here yet).

 

[Deleted member 2729]

There's actually no reason for a girl to be hypergamous if she is financially as equal as the dude(women usually work less so they will always earn less, but per hour they usually earn same amount where I live, I don't think I've once saw hypergamy here yet).

It might be worse than America than it is in Europe atm but no girl would date genetic trash jfl

 

[Maxim]

This is what I am talking about, to even be friendzoned you have to be on the same SMV as women, your SMV is probably so low to average girl they don't even want to be friends with you lmao. Share pics bhai?

Maybe, i'm my avi but i never get IOIs ever and didnt even bloom before my 20s. I have a low T presence and my personality sucks, since its pretty girly and aspie at the same time, even though i can chat for hours about some niche topic

 

[antiantifa]

It might be worse than America than it is in Europe atm but no girl would date genetic trash jfl

Why do I see this happen all the time then? I am not going to doxx people from my previous school but JFL 90% of the time girls are mogging the guys in the looks department. The hot girls almost always have some thin-neck weak-ass beta-looking cuck-eyed slightly overweight guy who isn't even chad in the height department. I swear the god the hot girls always dating down, while average and lower than average girls always dating up!

 

[antiantifa]

Maybe, i'm my avi but i never get IOIs ever and didnt even bloom before my 20s. I have a low T presence and my personality sucks, since its pretty girly and aspie at the same time, even though i can chat for hours about some niche topic

>chatting with girls

It's over for you tbh.

Check out the thread I just made on approaching women in theory. Chatting for an hour is already committing, remember women get pleasure from talking, men don't, what do you get from chatting with her? If you're not at least sexually advancing on her during the chat then wtf are you getting out of a fucking chat with a foid?

The most successful PUA is almost always: Quick talk > advance sexually > if she doesn't allow you to advance sexually you don't advance in commitment either by simply ignoring her/talking to other girls/even talking to other guys.

Deep down every girl wants to be special, they can't stand being negged. Just talking to a girl for a short time and then stopping the talk to talk to someone else already makes her like you more. I could never understand why girls I negged loved me, why girls I loved hated me, now I think I finally do lol.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Why do I see this happen all the time then? I am not going to doxx people from my previous school but JFL 90% of the time girls are mogging the guys in the looks department. The hot girls almost always have some thin-neck weak-ass beta-looking cuck-eyed slightly overweight guy who isn't even chad in the height department. I swear the god the hot girls always dating down, while average and lower than average girls always dating up!

Statistics and studies show the opposite tho.

 

[Maxim]

>chatting with girls

It's over for you tbh.

Check out the thread I just made on approaching women in theory. Chatting for an hour is already committing, remember women get pleasure from talking, men don't, what do you get from chatting with her? If you're not at least sexually advancing on her during the chat then wtf are you getting out of a fucking chat with a foid?

I think it gives me the security that she might find something in common with me , and helps me emotionally connect, since i feel like she'll hate me if i just pump n dump her (obviously i never dump but i still want her to feel that i'll stick around, and give reason to). Idk i just feel creepy if i push for sex without any emotional connection first

 

[antiantifa]

Statistics and studies show the opposite tho.

I just literally posted studies showing women often looks-and-statusmatch the guys they date?

I think you're focusing on short-term dating, in which case, yes, your SMV will always have to be higher to be able to casually FWB girls. Check out my thread on approaching women.

 

[antiantifa]

I think it gives me the security that she might find something in common with me , and helps me emotionally connect, since i feel like she'll hate me if i just pump n dump her (obviously i never dump but i still want her to feel that i'll stick around, and give reason to). Idk i just feel creepy if i push for sex without any emotional connection first

Jfl, man, wtf are you talking about. Do you actually think you can enjoy talking to a foid the same way a guy enjoys talking to another guy? Have you learned nothing from all the frustrated husbands that can't stand their wives nagging?

You're just sexually frustrated to the point of willing to willingly talk to a girl for almost no chance to hook-up with her

I think the solution for you is to: Quit porn, fapping, lose body-fat so you lower your estrogen, join manly activities and make manly friends. Also cold approach women in clubs, you look good enough to do it, don't try to fucking talk to them or some weird shit like that, make it obvious you're hitting on them but also make it obvious there's no specific reason for it.

Since you look good it'll work well on you to flirt with lower SMV girls in front of higher SMV girls and then finally try to flirt and sexually advance on the higher SMV girls. Be very touchy, don't be autistic, after talking for at least a minute you should already be holding her waist or some shit if it's an acceptable area(hook-up clubs/bars).

A good technique I've used before is to talk to a girl for very short period of time, just get to know her name etc for about a minute or shorter, then if you're her looksmatch or higher she'll try to keep the conversation going awkwardly, then you just tell her goodbye in non-autistic way and go dance/talk to someone else, if you're her looksmatch or higher she will approach you this time and at that point you should grab her by the waist and say that you've been looking for her or some other shit that makes it look that you're committing more.

 

[Maxim]

Jfl, man, wtf are you talking about. Do you actually think you can enjoy talking to a foid the same way a guy enjoys talking to another guy? Have you learned nothing from all the frustrated husbands that can't stand their wives nagging?

You're just sexually frustrated to the point of willing to willingly talk to a girl for almost no chance to hook-up with her

I think the solution for you is to: Quit porn, fapping, lose body-fat so you lower your estrogen, join manly activities and make manly friends. Also cold approach women in clubs, you look good enough to do it, don't try to fucking talk to them or some weird shit like that, make it obvious you're hitting on them but also make it obvious there's no specific reason for it.

Since you look good it'll work well on you to flirt with lower SMV girls in front of higher SMV girls and then finally try to flirt and sexually advance on the higher SMV girls. Be very touchy, don't be autistic, after talking for at least a minute you should already be holding her waist or some shit if it's an acceptable area(hook-up clubs/bars).

A good technique I've used before is to talk to a girl for very short period of time, just get to know her name etc for about a minute or shorter, then if you're her looksmatch or higher she'll try to keep the conversation going awkwardly, then you just tell her goodbye in non-autistic way and go dance/talk to someone else, if you're her looksmatch or higher she will approach you this time and at that point you should grab her by the waist and say that you've been looking for her or some other shit that makes it look that you're committing more.

Yes i actually relate and talk to women better, i can never relate to anything guys say (except in forums) and found talking to most normie men is boring to me. Probably has to do with me being more sensitive to emotion and artistic, so i naturally align to the feminine instead of the masculine like talking about sports or cars (jfl how devoid) i generally just dont have any experience in most things people talk about, unless its video games or anime or netflix show every foid seems to know about.

I dont mind nagging. I actually enjoy listening to most women talk about the most mundane things, it reminds me of whats inside my brain most of the time since i think like them and and neurotic/add with sympathy.

I agree though, im already super low bodyfat but have a pretty small twinkish body that i try to home gym max

I really cant for the life of me approach anyone, even if in a dating place. Ive super cringe and awkward if i try to hit on girls so i prefer to just wait until one opens a conversarion with me. (Tho it never gets sexual, they mostly want to know about my hobbies/passions/what i do for work etc.

Usually if i mention that im trying to hit on them, they get discouraged and tell me they get so many guys trying to do that, and that theyre looking to settle down and dont want sex, so i naturally have learned to be afraid to even ask them, since any attration to me gets diminished once i mention i'm only after their poon lmao

Most girls that talk to me are all below my lookslevel (i dont know for sure, i could be super ugly and just not realize) since i have no idea how im coming off to anyone. INFP if that helps make sense why i have so many afflictions when dealing with people and social anxiety/avoidant disorder. Most days i feel like i cant leave the house unless I look my best.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

I just literally posted studies showing women often looks-and-statusmatch the guys they date?

I think you're focusing on short-term dating, in which case, yes, your SMV will always have to be higher to be able to casually FWB girls. Check out my thread on approaching women.

I see but tbh the problem with ltr is that the foid will disrespect and abuse you if you don't mogg her.
Basically betabuxx lite version.

And tbh I don't think I will approach a women before I'm not fully looksmaxxed cuz there would be no point in trying it

 

[loksr]

didn't read
your face is responsible for inceldom

 

[antiantifa]

I see but tbh the problem with ltr is that the foid will disrespect and abuse you if you don't mogg her.
Basically betabuxx lite version.

And tbh I don't think I will approach a women before I'm not fully looksmaxxed cuz there would be no point in trying it

That's called shittesting. If you pass it you'll be fine. Just never fully commit to a woman and she will never disrespect you. Never ever engage or marry in your life.

Also what's the point of being with foids that you mog? When you mog the foid she becomes too insecure and cheats on your anyway. Ideally your foid is at your SMV or higher, you want reverse hypergamy in terms of genetics.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

That's called shittesting. If you pass it you'll be fine. Just never fully commit to a woman and she will never disrespect you. Never ever engage or marry in your life.

Also what's the point of being with foids that you mog? When you mog the foid she becomes too insecure and cheats on your anyway. Ideally your foid is at your SMV or higher, you want reverse hypergamy in terms of genetics.

I appreciate the effort but redpill does not work for subhumans

 

[antiantifa]

I appreciate the effort but redpill does not work for subhumans

This guy has documented evidence of him pulling:

Explain?

He is short, he is balding, he has bad frame, his teeth are horrible, he has cuck eyes, his face is kinda fat, his beard is meh, his nose is too big. IMO he's like 4/10, 3/10 with his height.



Look at the way he talks and his fucking posture, JFL he looks and acts like a gay faggot, but he's confirmed legit because some women filed lawsuits since he didn't ask for their permission to post the videos. Also look at his even shorter curry friend. Tell me game isn't real now? Even women themself say they care less about looks more about confidence(obviously looks still matter).

 

[randomuser2407]

I agree with first paragraph, but the rest isn't true. Again, SMV is even important in friendships. It's even important in male-male friendships. A woman won't even be friends with a low SMV male.

Men get friendzoned because they give commit to women without sex. The female opposite of a beta is a slut, a chad will pump and dump a slut, but he will never marry her. This is because men want sex, women want men to commit, this is simple TRP theory, so betas are guys that don't get sex but do give a lot of commitment(friendships), while sluts are girls that don't get commitment but do give a lot of sex(fwb, pump and dump, etc...).

I really think the whole confidence thing is legit. If you show the girl she's just another pussy that can be replaced any moment you'll be liked even if you have lower physical SMV. There's plenty of PUA guys that are short but still show videos with good success for example.

But I think even TRP/PUA guys are trying too hard and sticking too long with girls. IMO, once you're at a party/in a club/at a social setting you should start flirting and escalating with every girl, the moment a girl doesn't follow along just go to another one and repeat the process, I bet suddenly the first girl will change her mind.

This is something I've also had happen to me IRL. I liked this girl but she decided to kiss my friend to make me jealous. Joke's on her, I didn't care much and thought it was nice for him so I just kissed her two girlfriends. Guess who fell in love with me in a few hours? Guess who's head was on my lap while her feet were on my friend's lap?

Even a chad with robust jaw, muscular body, tall height and good social status was simping for her and she friendzonded him even though he was way out of his league. Motherfucker even fought me because I fucked her, he was so sad, he was almost crying and saying shit like "she's my future wife blah blah how can you do this we have to fight now etc".

Comitting to a girl, even friendship-wise, is the fucking worst thing you can do to your SMV.

My favorite way of talking to women is to wait for IOIs, which usually comes in the form of very strong prolonged eye contact, and sometimes, other signals too. This is better than just approaching at random because you don't have to try any gimmicks to make her interested, since she already wants you and it is not as creepy because she wants you to approach her if she sends you some signals of interest, so your success rate from warm approaching is much higher than from cold approaching.

Of course, it is important to have high self esteem and to not act like the guys in most romantic comedies.
The thing is that, getting laid is not as difficult as most guys think it is, it's just that the solution is well hidden under a mountain of lies spread by our society, our family, our friends and women themselves, who will claim that men should strive to be nice guys, while deep down, actually disliking such guys. Once you realize this, it's very easy to unlearn the lies, because being a nice guy requires more effort than being normal.

My strategy for every girl will be the exact same, here are the steps that I have memorized for getting laid:

1) Go out to places where lots of young women hang out
2) Look around for women who are checking me out for more than a few seconds
3) Approach the most attractive woman who is checking me out, introduce myself and talk to her4
4) Make a 5-10 minute conversation with her
5) At the end, ask her for her number to meet again to get drinks together to talk more
6) Text her number to setup a date at a coffee shop
7) Have a 1 hour conversation to learn more about each other
8) Try to bring her back to my place (or go to her place)
9) If she says no, try to get a second date to try again
If she says yes, go to my place with her and then, it is pretty much guaranteed that we will start making out. And then we will start having sex.
10) Then, I can cuddle with her for 20 minutes or so, and walk her back to her uber/taxi to show that I still care
11) Send her a text the next day to tell her that I liked our time together (nothing more, nothing less)
12) If she liked the sex and wants to see me again, she will make it known by texting me

Then, I can just repeat the process with as many women as possible to get as many dates as possible, some of which will lead to sex, and even fuckbuddy relationships. I built this gameplan from a free guide that I found online which wasn't even from a pickup artist.

The reason why I say that looks matter is because, when you first meet her, the attraction at the beginning is mostly physical attraction to your physical appearance, so if you're ugly, you won't get IOIs from women, and if you approach them anyways, they won't be happy about it so they will reject you, and it will happen to you a lot. Sure, some women who don't give IOIs at first may still like you but lack the self confidence to tell you, but in most cases, they will make it known, even when they are really ugly compared to you, so IOIs are the best way to get an idea of whether women like you or not before taking the risk of approaching them, even though they are not a guarantee of success.

When you know all of this, it is very easy to not act like a nice guy because instead of going on expensive dinner dates, buying flowers or gifts, you just go on a cheap date at starbucks, which will cost you only 10$ at most per date. And since you know that the woman already likes you, you don't have to go above and beyond to try to please her, you can just act normal. If nice guys knew about all of this, then they would start applying it to their interactions with women instead of letting themselves get friendzoned.

Also, it is not true that SMV matters for friendships because lots of fat guys have many friends. The truth is that those who have the most friends are usually people who go out very often and who socialize with as many people as possible. And when talking to women, if you can socialize with them but they aren't attracted to you, then they will only want to keep you as a friend or they will just reject you. I never got friendzoned but that is mainly because I never tried to talk to women who weren't interested in me, and I never had the extroverted personality that those who make lots of friends easily usually have, and I don't go out often. So, it isn't true that the friendzone has something to do with neediness. In reality, the friendzone is a phenomenon that happens to guys who are good enough at making friends but too unattractive to get sex with the woman that they desire.

And, in some cases, the friendzone can be beneficial, if you are attractive and make lots of female friends, you can gain access to lots of women that you would never meet otherwise. The best way to get access to parties often is to make lots of friends and connections, this is even more important than approaching women at random and it is more effective for both your social life and your sex life, but of course, the more nerdy your friends are, the less effective it is as a technique to meet more women. In my case, I plan to mainly focus on building lots of social circles and approaching as many women who find me attractive as possible as long as they too are attractive enough.

 

[Deleted member 12344]

It isn't fault of porn if men are sex addicted and have "weird" fetish

In the past men used to have orgies, anal, incest etc and some men were also bisexual

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Mariana tier iq arguements

 

[antiantifa]

My favorite way of talking to women is to wait for IOIs, which usually comes in the form of very strong prolonged eye contact, and sometimes, other signals too. This is better than just approaching at random because you don't have to try any gimmicks to make her interested, since she already wants you and it is not as creepy because she wants you to approach her if she sends you some signals of interest, so your success rate from warm approaching is much higher than from cold approaching.

Of course, it is important to have high self esteem and to not act like the guys in most romantic comedies.
The thing is that, getting laid is not as difficult as most guys think it is, it's just that the solution is well hidden under a mountain of lies spread by our society, our family, our friends and women themselves, who will claim that men should strive to be nice guys, while deep down, actually disliking such guys. Once you realize this, it's very easy to unlearn the lies, because being a nice guy requires more effort than being normal.

My strategy for every girl will be the exact same, here are the steps that I have memorized for getting laid:

1) Go out to places where lots of young women hang out
2) Look around for women who are checking me out for more than a few seconds
3) Approach the most attractive woman who is checking me out, introduce myself and talk to her4
4) Make a 5-10 minute conversation with her
5) At the end, ask her for her number to meet again to get drinks together to talk more
6) Text her number to setup a date at a coffee shop
7) Have a 1 hour conversation to learn more about each other
8) Try to bring her back to my place (or go to her place)
9) If she says no, try to get a second date to try again
If she says yes, go to my place with her and then, it is pretty much guaranteed that we will start making out. And then we will start having sex.
10) Then, I can cuddle with her for 20 minutes or so, and walk her back to her uber/taxi to show that I still care
11) Send her a text the next day to tell her that I liked our time together (nothing more, nothing less)
12) If she liked the sex and wants to see me again, she will make it known by texting me

Then, I can just repeat the process with as many women as possible to get as many dates as possible, some of which will lead to sex, and even fuckbuddy relationships. I built this gameplan from a free guide that I found online which wasn't even from a pickup artist.

The reason why I say that looks matter is because, when you first meet her, the attraction at the beginning is mostly physical attraction to your physical appearance, so if you're ugly, you won't get IOIs from women, and if you approach them anyways, they won't be happy about it so they will reject you, and it will happen to you a lot. Sure, some women who don't give IOIs at first may still like you but lack the self confidence to tell you, but in most cases, they will make it known, even when they are really ugly compared to you, so IOIs are the best way to get an idea of whether women like you or not before taking the risk of approaching them, even though they are not a guarantee of success.

When you know all of this, it is very easy to not act like a nice guy because instead of going on expensive dinner dates, buying flowers or gifts, you just go on a cheap date at starbucks, which will cost you only 10$ at most per date. And since you know that the woman already likes you, you don't have to go above and beyond to try to please her, you can just act normal. If nice guys knew about all of this, then they would start applying it to their interactions with women instead of letting themselves get friendzoned.

Also, it is not true that SMV matters for friendships because lots of fat guys have many friends. The truth is that those who have the most friends are usually people who go out very often and who socialize with as many people as possible. And when talking to women, if you can socialize with them but they aren't attracted to you, then they will only want to keep you as a friend or they will just reject you. I never got friendzoned but that is mainly because I never tried to talk to women who weren't interested in me, and I never had the extroverted personality that those who make lots of friends easily usually have, and I don't go out often. So, it isn't true that the friendzone has something to do with neediness. In reality, the friendzone is a phenomenon that happens to guys who are good enough at making friends but too unattractive to get sex with the woman that they desire.

And, in some cases, the friendzone can be beneficial, if you are attractive and make lots of female friends, you can gain access to lots of women that you would never meet otherwise. The best way to get access to parties often is to make lots of friends and connections, this is even more important than approaching women at random and it is more effective for both your social life and your sex life, but of course, the more nerdy your friends are, the less effective it is as a technique to meet more women. In my case, I plan to mainly focus on building lots of social circles and approaching as many women who find me attractive as possible as long as they too are attractive enough.

cope dn read way too fucking long wtf man.

also "friendzone beneficial"

LMAO.

 

[randomuser2407]

This guy has documented evidence of him pulling:

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Explain?

He is short, he is balding, he has bad frame, his teeth are horrible, he has cuck eyes, his face is kinda fat, his beard is meh, his nose is too big. IMO he's like 4/10, 3/10 with his height.



Look at the way he talks and his fucking posture, JFL he looks and acts like a gay faggot, but he's confirmed legit because some women filed lawsuits since he didn't ask for their permission to post the videos. Also look at his even shorter curry friend. Tell me game isn't real now? Even women themself say they care less about looks more about confidence(obviously looks still matter).

Most pickup artist videos are obviously faked, they either pay women to act in their videos or they ask their friends, they do this in the hopes of gaining a massive following, to then scam them with shitty PUA ebooks, and it works for a lot of those guys like RSD for example.

The reason why pickup artist books are an effective scam is because most guys don't know that getting laid is extremely simple, they don't know that the key to attracting women is physical appearance and that there are no secret techniques to succeed, no secret sentences you can say to make women interested in you.

Also, just because a guy is short and balding doesn't mean there will not be any women at all who like him, but his options will be severely limited and most of the time, he will get women who are either on his level or below. The thing about ugly guys is that they are best off NOT approaching women but instead focusing on building social circles because that is how most of those guys get laid, while guys like me don't need friends to meet women because looks are enough. If you don't have looks, you need connections, but even then, the relationship may not work.

I knew a 6 foot 4 guy at a job I worked at who was really ugly and recessed who has a girlfriend who clearly doesn't respect him, she often cancels his dates to meet with her friends and she goes out to bars without him, he's probably a cuck without knowing it, what he needs is a jaw surgery and a complete makeover in style and grooming but he is so blue pilled that he will never go through with it.

 

[randomuser2407]

cope dn read way too fucking long wtf man.

also "friendzone beneficial"

LMAO.

Like I said, looks are everything when it comes to attracting women.

So, it doesn't matter how you meet her. The friendzone is beneficial because you can meet some of her female friends and some of them may like you, but this only works if you are good looking. If you are ugly, then they too will choose to keep you as a friend.

Derek, from More Plates More Dates, talked about how when he was in college, he would approach the hottest girls and when he would get rejected, instead of simply accepting it as a rejection, he would try to stay friends with the girl instead, and then those hot girls who were popular introduced him to her friends who were also hot girls, and they started going out together to bars and clubs, and he got laid a lot by doing this.

But if he had thought in the same way as you, he never would have been able to do this. This is the problem with thinking with your ego instead of having a strategy to achieve your goals.

It does not matter where you meet women, since the attraction is mostly physical at first, so all you need to do is focus on looking your best and going out as often as possible and if you follow the gameplan I wrote in my long reply, you will succeed so many times because it is a proven strategy that really works, but there are no gimmicks to succeed with every girl, you still need good looks, but you don't have to be O Pry, Gandy or Lachowski to make it work.

 

[antiantifa]

Like I said, looks are everything when it comes to attracting women.

So, it doesn't matter how you meet her. The friendzone is beneficial because you can meet some of her female friends and some of them may like you, but this only works if you are good looking. If you are ugly, then they too will choose to keep you as a friend.

Derek, from More Plates More Dates, talked about how when he was in college, he would approach the hottest girls and when he would get rejected, instead of simply accepting it as a rejection, he would try to stay friends with the girl instead, and then those hot girls who were popular introduced him to her friends who were also hot girls, and they started going out together to bars and clubs, and he got laid a lot by doing this.

But if he had thought in the same way as you, he never would have been able to do this. This is the problem with thinking with your ego instead of having a strategy to achieve your goals.

It does not matter where you meet women, since the attraction is mostly physical at first, so all you need to do is focus on looking your best and going out as often as possible and if you follow the gameplan I wrote in my long reply, you will succeed so many times because it is a proven strategy that really works, but there are no gimmicks to succeed with every girl, you still need good looks, but you don't have to be O Pry, Gandy or Lachowski to make it work.

lol wtf man imagine being so desperate for pussy u voluntary become friendzoned xd.

 

[randomuser2407]

lol wtf man imagine being so desperate for pussy u voluntary become friendzoned xd.

If you care more about your ego than doing whatever it takes to get laid, then you will get laid a lot less because your ego is limiting your success with women.

 

[antiantifa]

If you care more about your ego than doing whatever it takes to get laid, then you will get laid a lot less because your ego is limiting your success with women.

 

[randomuser2407]

If you're in the friendzone with 1 woman and she introduces you to her friends, then it is highly unlikely that you will be in their friendzone too unless you're ugly. The technique I talked about only works if you're good looking enough for her friends, if not, then it is a waste of time. Like I said, looks are everything and this isn't blue pilled at all.

Black pill means looks over personality
Blue pill means personality over looks
Red pill means game over personality over looks

I'm definitely black pilled.