Theory of Physiological Equilibrium

[Deroga]

Everyone is wrong about fixing your hormones.

Oh and big ups to @Zagro for introducing me to this idea.
The human endocrine system is NOT designed to be maximized. Trying to artificially push hormones torwards "ideal" levels (higher test, gh, igf-1, lower cortisol) often fails because hormones work as network and not individually. Let's take the idea of raising testosterone, gh, lowering estrogen, and minimizing cortisol. You will see people promoting these as singular entities that can be adjusted (i.e. how to raise your testosterone is a very popular one). The problem is that these hormones are all linked together.

Examples: - Testosterone converts to estradiol via aromatase. - Growth hormone raises IGF-1, which affects insulin and metabolism. - Lowering cortisol too much can impair immune function. In conclusion, increasing one hormone often triggers negative feedback that lowers another. All of this is controlled by an interconnect regulation system (the hypothalamic-pituitary axis).

The endocrine system operates through homeostasis. When a hormone rises above the body's natural range, the brain responds in fact reducing it's natural production, increasing counter hormones, and increasing hormone breakdown (all of which are bad). Every other tiktokcel promotes GH as if it was created by God himself, but rHGH has many downsides that aren't just about getting cancer JFL
Artificially chasing "high levels" will in fact produce diminishing returns and long term supresion of natural function.

This principle is well established in endocrinology, and it's called "negative feedback regulation" if you want to research it yourself.

The endocrine system operates like a growth timer. Increasing hormonal intensity does not extend it's development, it will usually just accelerate it.
"Oh but Raz, I grew 2 inches in 3 months on peptides " yeah you stupid fuck it's because you were going to grow 2 inches in the next year, you just accelerated your growth rate.
For growth and maturation = rate x duration = final outcome. If this rate increases too much, the duration -> decreases (literally inhibiting your growth by trying to increase it). This is why natural, steady development generally produces the best long-term results.

To summarize, trying to max your hormones usually doesn't work because hormones are a network and development depends more on timing and stability than intensity. If you have any contentions leave them below since I haven't research this as much in depth as I wanted to

 

[away]

good thread

 

[nakus]

The endocrine system operates like a growth timer. Increasing hormonal intensity does not extend it's development, it will usually just accelerate it.
"Oh but Raz, I grew 2 inches in 3 months on peptides " yeah you stupid fuck it's because you were going to grow 2 inches in the next year, you just accelerated your growth rate.
For growth and maturation = rate x duration = final outcome. If this rate increases too much, the duration -> decreases (literally inhibiting your growth by trying to increase it). This is why natural, steady development generally produces the best long-term results.

thank you for repeating this some niggers gotta realize this

 

[Zagro]

Articulated very nicely and this is the truth for most, although there are ways around certain things, the information most would state as adequate to begin their usage with peptides and steroids is just the very basics and will mostly result in more harm than good

The aromatisation part is way more complex then people treat it as I would bet that there are hundreds of teens who have stunted their growth meaningfully just because someone on tiktok told them to use "x" compound at "x" dose and contributed his ascension to it

 

[Deroga]

although there are ways around certain things

Can you expand on this?

 

[Zagro]

Can you expand on this?

All if not most side-effects can be mitigated and as much as things like height, dimorphism, penile development are mostly genetic (emphasise on mostly) you can modify it and not just the rate at which growth happens

Just that it’s important to keep your expectations low instead of hoping that a random high-dose of a certain compound saves your looks, so like similar every single looksmax there is, you should see this as one more step to achieving the look you seek and not expect to grow 6-8 inches, develop forward growth or whatever

Compounds like rhGH can increase your final height but only at an inch or at most two for most of us and with minimal risks, the risks only get serious/realistic when you start doing polypharmacy

 

[Deleted member 346747]

Everyone is wrong about fixing your hormones.

Oh and big ups to @Zagro for introducing me to this idea.
The human endocrine system is NOT designed to be maximized. Trying to artificially push hormones torwards "ideal" levels (higher test, gh, igf-1, lower cortisol) often fails because hormones work as network and not individually. Let's take the idea of raising testosterone, gh, lowering estrogen, and minimizing cortisol. You will see people promoting these as singular entities that can be adjusted (i.e. how to raise your testosterone is a very popular one). The problem is that these hormones are all linked together.

Examples: - Testosterone converts to estradiol via aromatase. - Growth hormone raises IGF-1, which affects insulin and metabolism. - Lowering cortisol too much can impair immune function. In conclusion, increasing one hormone often triggers negative feedback that lowers another. All of this is controlled by an interconnect regulation system (the hypothalamic-pituitary axis).

The endocrine system operates through homeostasis. When a hormone rises above the body's natural range, the brain responds in fact reducing it's natural production, increasing counter hormones, and increasing hormone breakdown (all of which are bad). Every other tiktokcel promotes GH as if it was created by God himself, but rHGH has many downsides that aren't just about getting cancer JFL
Artificially chasing "high levels" will in fact produce diminishing returns and long term supresion of natural function.

This principle is well established in endocrinology, and it's called "negative feedback regulation" if you want to research it yourself.

The endocrine system operates like a growth timer. Increasing hormonal intensity does not extend it's development, it will usually just accelerate it.
"Oh but Raz, I grew 2 inches in 3 months on peptides " yeah you stupid fuck it's because you were going to grow 2 inches in the next year, you just accelerated your growth rate.
For growth and maturation = rate x duration = final outcome. If this rate increases too much, the duration -> decreases (literally inhibiting your growth by trying to increase it). This is why natural, steady development generally produces the best long-term results.

To summarize, trying to max your hormones usually doesn't work because hormones are a network and development depends more on timing and stability than intensity. If you have any contentions leave them below since I haven't research this as much in depth as I wanted to

This is retarded what are you even saying.
obviously maxing GH dose makes you taller it's the most important variable in a lot of HGH therapy height prediction algorithms.

The rate x duration thing makes no sense. You don't even make any claims about growth pathways or anything you just claim "growth and maturation" is an independent variable with no reasoning. retarded thread

 

[Zagro]

This is retarded what are you even saying.
obviously maxing GH dose makes you taller it's the most important variable in a lot of HGH therapy height prediction algorithms.

The rate x duration thing makes no sense. You don't even make any claims about growth pathways or anything you just claim "growth and maturation" is an independent variable with no reasoning. retarded thread

@Razzz This guy is the prime example of what i talked about

Wait till he learns out that “maxing GH” also shortens the time window he has left for growth because of his “maxxed out” IGF-1 levels and will age bone faster etc

 

[Deroga]

All if not most side-effects can be mitigated and as much as things like height, dimorphism, penile development are mostly genetic (emphasise on mostly) you can modify it and not just the rate at which growth happens

Just that it’s important to keep your expectations low instead of hoping that a random high-dose of a certain compound saves your looks, so like similar every single looksmax there is, you should see this as one more step to achieving the look you seek and not expect to grow 6-8 inches, develop forward growth or whatever

Compounds like rhGH can increase your final height but only at an inch or at most two for most of us and with minimal risks, the risks only get serious/realistic when you start doing polypharmacy

I see.

What pharma do you recommend I research if I want to focus on height (currently I'm taking MK as a starting place but want to move onto pairing HGH with AIs and running your stack from your HGH 101 thread of HGH + LI + AIs + Test, etc.

I also want to research into facial bone growth and maybe penile development.

I'm 16 and a half right now and I'm around 6'1.5 barefoot and probably mtn, from your knowledge what stack would you run at my age for the goals I have?

 

[Deleted member 346747]

@Razzz This guy is the prime example of what i talked about

Wait till he learns out that “maxing GH” also shortens the time window he has left for growth because of his “maxxed out” IGF-1 levels and will age bone faster etc

ive never taken hgh at 6'2 and i dont mean maxxing dose with no thought behind it. but the dosage level clearly effects overall height. i just meant his last statement is retarded

 

[Zagro]

I see.

What pharma do you recommend I research if I want to focus on height (currently I'm taking MK as a starting place but want to move onto pairing HGH with AIs and running your stack from your HGH 101 thread of HGH + LI + AIs + Test, etc.

I also want to research into facial bone growth and maybe penile development.

I'm 16 and a half right now and I'm around 6'1.5 barefoot and probably mtn, from your knowledge what stack would you run at my age for the goals I have?

Just look into how the big three work; IGF-1, estrogen and androgens and try to not spend too much time researching as your time left for height is limited at 16 generally speaking

If plates are open avoid anything aromatising or just opt for a low dose testosterone base at most, use an AI to keep your E2 at ideal ranges (you can go pretty low if you prioritise height) as you cant reverse the previous damage estradiol already has done but you can prevent future harm, administer rhGH pair with mk and prioritise non-aromatising androgens. This does like 60-70% of the trick and anything else is just an add-on honestly

For penile growth just look into PE and spam it that’s your best bet after like 15-16 also with the help of pharmaceuticals ofc

 

[m0ss26]

Articulated very nicely and this is the truth for most, although there are ways around certain things, the information most would state as adequate to begin their usage with peptides and steroids is just the very basics and will mostly result in more harm than good

The aromatisation part is way more complex then people treat it as I would bet that there are hundreds of teens who have stunted their growth meaningfully just because someone on tiktok told them to use "x" compound at "x" dose and contributed his ascension to it

Bottom line is if you use anabolics/gh for anything but gymmaxing ur a retard

 

[Zagro]

Bottom line is if you use anabolics/gh for anything but gymmaxing ur a retard

For the most part yeah agreed but there’s a decent chunk of evidence that shows you can benefit off them in many other ways, just not significantly and kinda extrapolated

 

[Deroga]

Just look into how the big three work; IGF-1, estrogen and androgens and try to not spend too much time researching as your time left for height is limited at 16 generally speaking

If plates are open avoid anything aromatising or just opt for a low dose testosterone base at most, use an AI to keep your E2 at ideal ranges (you can go pretty low if you prioritise height) as you cant reverse the previous damage estradiol already has done but you can prevent future harm, administer rhGH pair with mk and prioritise non-aromatising androgens. This does like 60-70% of the trick and anything else is just an add-on honestly

For penile growth just look into PE and spam it that’s your best bet after like 15-16 also with the help of pharmaceuticals ofc

Mirin your high effort responses bhai, actual legend. Few questions.
1. What is PE?
2. It's been hard for me to find a source for GH where I live in the U.S. but from the source where I get my MK they sell rHGH Fragment 176-191 5mg, what do you think of this?
3. Besides pharma I know diet is also important, can u pm your diet or something similiar.
Anyways, thanks bhai

 

[Zagro]

Mirin your high effort responses bhai, actual legend. Few questions.
1. What is PE?
2. It's been hard for me to find a source for GH where I live in the U.S. but from the source where I get my MK they sell rHGH Fragment 176-191 5mg, what do you think of this?
3. Besides pharma I know diet is also important, can u pm your diet or something similiar.
Anyways, thanks bhai

I’ll PM you and answer tomorrow bhai gotta get some good sleep in it’s getting late over here

 

[Deroga]

I’ll PM you and answer tomorrow bhai gotta get some good sleep in it’s getting late over here

Ty bhai. Make sure to sleepmax fr

 

[m0ss26]

It's been hard for me to find a source for GH where I live in the U.S. but from the source where I get my MK they sell rHGH Fragment 176-191 5mg, what do you think of this?

How are you verified?
You can’t even take 10 minutes to find a GH source and verify its legitimacy for yourself?