There better be an afterlife

[neurosis]

im saying that assuming consciousness is permanent then it would be nothing

elaborate

in your case, it would make more sense for consciousness to neither be nothing or something

 

[registerfasterusing]

elaborate

in your case, it would make more sense for consciousness to neither be nothing or something

Read what i said originally. If something is permanent and unchanging, then how can it be differentiated from nothing

 

[buddhistking]

There is no afterlife

 

[nobodylovesme]

86 was peak, annoying to watch s2 when it was airing, Shit took a 4 month break

And Shinji is the typical Pussy mc, but it's seeing mc's like that which makes me appreciate the ones like Kazuma even more

Yeah, a really good show.

That's true, it has been kinda hard to find something when expectations are a bit too high. I do enjoy a fair share of trash-isekai. That's a good way to reset my standards.

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

Yeah, a really good show.

That's true, it has been kinda hard to find something when expectations are a bit too high. I do enjoy a fair share of trash-isekai. That's a good way to reset my standards.

I don't mind bad Isekai, as long as the mc isn't completely unaware, which is why I heavily dislike the mc from moonlit fantasy

 

[neurosis]

then how can it be differentiated from nothing

it can't.

but in a similar fashion - how can nothing (something that is permanent and unchanging) be differentiated from something

 

[registerfasterusing]

it can't.

but in a similar fashion - how can nothing (something that is permanent and unchanging) be differentiated from something

thats what i mean, you cant differentiate between them so they lose all meaning

 

[neurosis]

thats what i mean, you cant differentiate between them so they lose all meaning

and why does this mean awareness/consciousness would completely cease to exist after death - intuitively to me it won't and can't ever cease to exist

 

[registerfasterusing]

and why does this mean awareness/consciousness would completely cease to exist after death - intuitively to me it won't and can't ever cease to exist

because if consciousness means anything, assuming it does given the fact it is the reason in which we are able to temporally orient ourselves, then if it were permanent, it would lose all meaning and be inseparable from nothingness

 

[nobodylovesme]

I don't mind bad Isekai, as long as the mc isn't completely unaware, which is why I heavily dislike the mc from moonlit fantasy

Yeah, those low IQ clueless MCs are not fun. I don't know who enjoys them.

It's really hard to make a clueless MC who is likable

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

Yeah, those low IQ clueless MCs are not fun. I don't know who enjoys them.

It's really hard to make a clueless MC who is likable

Have you ever watched one piece? or you aren't into long Shonen

And clueless mc is every Harem anime mc, they give me headaches

 

[nobodylovesme]

Have you ever watched one piece? or you aren't into long Shonen

And clueless mc is every Harem anime mc, they give me headaches

No I haven't. I don't think I've seen any "long" shows

Yeah, It's kinda funny watching how dumb the situation gets, though

 

[nobodylovesme]

Have you ever watched one piece? or you aren't into long Shonen

And clueless mc is every Harem anime mc, they give me headaches

have to finish it here tho, was fun talking.

almost 7am, and haven't slept yet. Over for my sleep schedule

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

have to finish it here tho, was fun talking.

almost 7am, and haven't slept yet. Over for my sleep schedule

Peace, my sleep schedule is worse rn I'm surprised i'm not asleep already

 

[neurosis]

because if consciousness means anything, assuming it does given the fact it is the reason in which we are able to temporally orient ourselves, then if it were permanent, it would lose all meaning and be inseparable from nothingness

your axioms are incongruent

nothing or something can't exist. it would be impossible for consciousness to cease into anything (something/nothing) as it is permanent and unchanging, if anything it means this is the afterlife - not that there isn't an afterlife

 

[registerfasterusing]

your axioms are incongruent

nothing or something can't exist. it would be impossible for consciousness to cease into anything as it is permanent and unchanging, if anything it means this is the afterlife.

I am not saying consciousness is permanent and unchanging, but im assuming that’s what you mean when you say that consciousness will not cease to exist. And if that is true, then yes that could mean this is the afterlife, as being conscious would be no different than not-being conscious. That which is everything is ultimately indistinguishable from that which is nothing, as both are absolutes devoid of relative comparison

 

[neurosis]

I am not saying consciousness is permanent and unchanging

Right so your argument is that the nature of consciousness isn't quantifiable/definable therefore there can be no logic behind the existence of an afterlife?

 

[registerfasterusing]

Right so your argument is that the nature of consciousness isn't quantifiable/definable therefore there can be no logic behind the existence of an afterlife?

Not quite, actually almost the opposite. Im saying the nature of consciousness is inherently something that can be logically defined and quantified, therefore rendering it non-permanent and temporal. And from this, I deduce death as the finality of conscious experience

 

[neurosis]

consciousness is inherently something that can be logically defined and quantified, therefore rendering it non-permanent and temporal

very interesting

considering numbers (quantifiable logic) are essentially infinite (ie you could count forever), why doesn't it render consciousness as permanent and non-temporal (infinite) in your pov?

 

[registerfasterusing]

very interesting

considering numbers (quantifiable logic) are essentially infinite (ie you could count forever), why doesn't it render consciousness as permanent and non-temporal in your pov?

good point, i didnt consider that when i used the word quantifiable jfl. I guess i meant taxonomical? Temporal is the best way to describe it tho imo

 

[neurosis]

I guess i meant taxonomical?

Same argument could be made for taxonomy, everything is perpetually classifiable if there's no such thing as a distinguishment between nothing and something.

Anyway, just like the universe (infinite, permanent and unchanging), this debate could go on forever - And the most rational thing to do would be to settle this in the afterlife.

 

[registerfasterusing]

Same argument could be made for taxonomy, everything is perpetually classifiable if there's no such thing as a distinguishment between nothing and something.

Anyway, just like the universe (infinite, permanent and unchanging), this debate could go on forever - And the most rational thing to do would be to settle this in the afterlife.

Im only saying there is no such thing as a distinguishment between nothing and something when either or is absolute. With consciousness as temporal, dichotomies and contradictions are what define existence, giving rise to taxonomy. Of course you could argue there are an infinite number of binaries, but they can all ultimately be reduced by their relation to that which they are not. Ultimately, i believe that existence itself may be absolute, but human experience as mediated through consciousness cannot be.

either way, you’re right. Ppl have been debating things along these lines for centuries, and there are valid points to be made on each side. Its almost like a microcosm of the whole argument itself