There IS a cure for skullcels:

[JosephGarrot123]

is your head wider than your face, and is your esr ration good ?

Yeah the reason why I wanted to get head reduction surgery is that the accident made my temporals abnormally larger than normal which is larger than my face so in angles you can see that my head is larger than my face so you can see my temporals quite easily which also make my face into a weird shape it made my face width and mandible width wider now my ratios are fucked up I'm going to a doctor to evaluate my situation also sleep study on the July 28th to get diagnosed for sleep apnea to get Bimax covered

 

[Lev Peshkov]

That's pretty good to see tbh


@Lorsss @Master

Best of the best?

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Expensive af and im not even sure that this is even a looksmax, the after may look very bad depending on the person
Just grow your hair on the sides jfl

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Skull implant and longhairmaxx to hide your ears from being recessed due to the implant. If you can get a pretty face through mse, sagittal mandibular distraction , lateral canthoplasty and lefort 1 double jaw ccw lefort 1 surgery, having long hair with skull implants and gonial implant, you can ascend hard. Also someone should ask to a specialist about the implant and how it can affect your ear recession. Maybe a surgery to move the ear lateral could help ?

Ascension can happen even for ethnicells.
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Blackpill is hard, but there solutions for most of us. A longmidfacecell cured his face as you can see. Of course his bitemporal width was quite good, but you can replace it with implant and still have long hair.

So there is just one thing to say : MONEYMAXX , plastic surgery isn't cope, orthodontics and maxillofacial surgries aren"t cope as well if everything is well done.

If you're an ipdcell with a longmidface, then add an orbital box osteotomy to all of thoses procedures. If you're rich, you can do whatever you want.

What did this guy do to help with his long midface?

 

[orthochadic]

Cheekbones, gonial and temple implant to widen his fhwr,and improving every soft tissues in his face from lips fillers and lifting, botox on the eyebrows, lateral augmentation canthoplasty to make his outer eye corner wider, a nose job, buccal fat removal.
Midface ratio isn't everything, so if you can improve all the other factors, you can still become a slayer.
This guy still had a decend forward growth before his ascension at the cheek level, but everyone can get more facial growth from the orthotropics adult facebow or from the facemask of mse.
Getting cheek advancement is real, what isn't sure is the CCW motion it claims to give. In theory it should happen as clockwise movement are possible from other protractions method, but no one has ever posted a before after picture even if many claims it did work for them to get some upswing.
I personnally do believe CCW rotation of the maxilla is possible simply due to the fact that cw is possible.
And i'm a hundred percent sur about forward growth induced by any of the listed facemask as i saw from my own eyes the before after of my orthotropics in Madrid Patients. I started a therapy with him but had to stop for some personnal reasons, but i really wish i could continue with him.
All of that to say that ascension is real.

 

[orthochadic]

What toni Mahfud did to his face is just pure art. But yeah... he still had a decend biparietal width bfore his lookxmaxxing journey.

 

[orthochadic]

Expensive af and im not even sure that this is even a looksmax, the after may look very bad depending on the person
Just grow your hair on the sides jfl

You won't get uggly from hgh before getting an acromegalic face. As you aren't going that far in term of hgh usage as you may only need to get 2 or 3 cm maximum in overall width, it s definitely a looksmaxxing journey.
But don't forget to respect all the ways to avoid becoming ugglier posted earlier.
Skull widt isn't that important. Chico only have 14 cm of bizygomatic distance. So the less you use hgh, and the more you stick to the rules listed non to get ugglier, the more likely you will be ascending.
Keep your teeth against each other 24/7, have an mse+facemask, and i would like to add: sleep on your back. (it helps widening the skull under hgh the same way it does for babies and won't give you an assymetrical face)

 

[orthochadic]

I have been a depressed guy looking at studies and evidences from acromegalic individuals pictures for about 2 years, and what i'm writing are the theorical results of my searchs. As early as i can afford thoses procedures, i will get them all obviously.
Oh and before starting anything, just do a bioblock "twinblock" cycle from any orthotropics so that you get a good incisors relationship between your 2 jaws. Because chewing for example with a deep bite can even deepen your bite even more leading to a recessed chin and uggly hypertrophied lower lips.
Once the bioblock is done, you are free to start chewing and protract using hgh. ONLY CHEW WITH A GOOD OCCLUSION IF YOU DON T WANT TO FUCK YOURSELF UP.

 

[orthochadic]

Yeah the reason why I wanted to get head reduction surgery is that the accident made my temporals abnormally larger than normal which is larger than my face so in angles you can see that my head is larger than my face so you can see my temporals quite easily which also make my face into a weird shape it made my face width and mandible width wider now my ratios are fucked up I'm going to a doctor to evaluate my situation also sleep study on the July 28th to get diagnosed for sleep apnea to get Bimax covered

Are your eyes nose and lip looking like too narrow compared to your general facial width ?

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Are your eyes nose and lip looking like too narrow compared to your general facial width ?

yes but it doesnt really look bad

 

[orthochadic]

looking like too narrow

looking to narrow*

 

[JosephGarrot123]

yes

the accident made my whole face wider, my zygos,temporals, mandible, however not my supraorbitals

 

[Mr.cope]

What toni Mahfud did to his face is just pure art. But yeah... he still had a decend biparietal width bfore his lookxmaxxing journey.

No his midface is still long
All he did was lose weight grow a beard and put on contacts jfl

 

[JosephGarrot123]

looking to narrow*

this happened when i was like 6-7 I never had surgery to my skull so I had it throughout my life which affected normal development now my skull is abnormal which also affects the face I have short midface but my lower jaw is overgrown/wide and my upper maxilla isn't fully developed. My forehead is recessed/sloped and browbone is protruding making me look like I'm missing my prefrontal cortex from the side JFL

 

[orthochadic]

hum this is quite boring but still fixable if you have money and big balls. It seems like the famour Dr Barry Eppley does what s called "Orbital Box Osteotomy" allowing people to eigher get narrower or wider eyes.

Orbital Box Osteotomies for Wide Spaced Eyes or Eyes That Are Too Close Together - Explore Plastic Surgery

The wide or close set eyes requires a hypertelorism repair technique which is why it is usualy not an aesthetuc operation.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

He said that at the end:
" For these reasons this is why I say it takes a tremendously motivated patient to have this orbital box surgery (hypertelorism repair approach) for an aesthetic eye spacing concern. ''
hypertelorism is basically this (on the left picture). The girl in the picture got an orbital box osteotomy.

As you got an accident and has fucked up ratios in your face, dr barry eppley would surely accept to treat you. You may need a second surgery as he said on his website.
" The key point in the aesthetic eye spacing concern patient is that this is a major operation which has its own aesthetic tradeoffs. (scalp scar, extent of surgery, skull or orbital bony irregularities) and may require a secondary surgery to manage any of these secondary issues. "

 

[orthochadic]

looking to narrow*

Forget about orbital box as you said it doesn't look that bad. I'm reading your new message.

 

[orthochadic]

No his midface is still long
All he did was lose weight grow a beard and put on contacts jfl

He did way more, and even if his midface is long, he slays .

 

[orthochadic]

No his midface is still long
All he did was lose weight grow a beard and put on contacts jfl

jfl

 

[orthochadic]

the accident made my whole face wider, my zygos,temporals, mandible, however not my supraorbitals

Hum then if your supraorbital are narrows it means that your ipd as well, compared to your skull width.
Does your eyes are similar to his guy of the forum called arabincell ? https://looksmax.org/threads/whats-my-es-ratio.87751/

 

[Mr.cope]

View attachment 546272 jfl

 

[orthochadic]

Y

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He was at an intermediary step bro. Do you really think he made all the procedures the same day...

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Hum then if your supraorbital are narrows it means that your ipd as well, compared to your skull width.
Does your eyes are similar to his guy of the forum called arabincell ? https://looksmax.org/threads/whats-my-es-ratio.87751/

mines pretty normal it's just my zygos, mandible are the same width as my abnormal temporals and to your post I don't have the same as that guy I'd say for reference my face width is closer to Zyzz's but a little narrower

 

[Mr.cope]

Y

He was at an intermediary step bro. Do you really think he made all the procedures the same day...

Thats just him without contacts
You are blinded by the eye color halo

 

[orthochadic]

Would you mind sending a picture of the left or right edge of your head and skull. That way we won't recognize you, because what you are describing seems ideal to me excepted for the mandible which maybe a little to wide if it s really the eact same size as your Zygos (it s supposed to be sligthly narrower than your zygos.)

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Would you mind sending a picture of the left or right edge of your head and skull. That way we won't recognize you, because what you are describing seems ideal to me excepted for the mandible which maybe a little to wide if it s really the eact same size as your Zygos (it s supposed to be sligthly narrower than your zygos.)

I don't want to get doxxed jfl but it's closer to Zyzz's face in terms of width but a little narrower what doctor should I go to for evaluation of my face? Orthodontist or some sort of plastic surgeon?

 

[orthochadic]

So he just lost weight and got lens you say ? I don't know what to say seriously. Can't you see his jaw is wider, his outer eye corner is wider, his lips completely different, his nose as well.Also we can clearly see that he at least got anterior temporal implants (on each supraorbital sides)

 

[Mr.cope]

View attachment 546293 So he just lost weight and got lens you say ? I don't know what to say seriously. Can't you see his jaw is wider, his outer eye corner is wider, his lips completely different, his nose as well.Also we can clearly see that he at least got anterior temporal implants (on each supraorbital sides)

He cut his hair
And got a nosejob
Everything else is natural from losing weight

 

[orthochadic]

Maybe you can consult a plasty surgeon to know what are the things you should improve, as well as doing a first consultation with an ortho to check if your mandibular teeth are wider than your maxillary one. If you are almost as wide as Zyzz, maybe a haircut as well as forward growth could be beneficial ?

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Maybe you can consult a plasty surgeon to know what are the things you should improve, as well as doing a first consultation with an ortho to check if your mandibular teeth are wider than your maxillary one. If you are almost as wide as Zyzz, maybe a haircut as well as forward growth could be beneficial ?

Yeah my plan is to get diagnosed for sleep apnea so I can get a bimax covered then I will go schedule an appointment with an orthodontist. Overnight sleep study is on July 28th.

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Maybe you can consult a plasty surgeon to know what are the things you should improve, as well as doing a first consultation with an ortho to check if your mandibular teeth are wider than your maxillary one. If you are almost as wide as Zyzz, maybe a haircut as well as forward growth could be beneficial ?

When I was 17-18 I was scheduled to take out my wisdom teeth however I didn't because I was skeptical if taking out my wisdom teeth would do anything to my facial definition, so now I'm 20 and I'm about to have an appointment with my dentist for an x-ray whether I should take it out or not

 

[orthochadic]

He cut his hair
And got a nosejob
Everything else is natural from losing weight

Nope you can see he did the japanese girl surgery to widen the outer cantus of his eyes. And his jaw is wider than his bizygoma only in the second pictures. And how can't you see his lips are just more gorgeous in the second pic ?

Of course may either used jaw implant, or masseter training, but a change is a change.
His eyes are wider on the side. But no bro, he did get jaw implant so his gonial angle is sharper, and his ramus look longer:

 

[orthochadic]

just a bit curious, is it common to like your own posts so that you get more reputation ?

 

[orthochadic]

Nope you can see he did the japanese girl surgery to widen the outer cantus of his eyes. And his jaw is wider than his bizygoma only in the second pictures. And how can't you see his lips are just more gorgeous in the second pic ?
View attachment 546304 View attachment 546305 Of course may either used jaw implant, or masseter training, but a change is a change.
His eyes are wider on the side. But no bro, he did get jaw implant so his gonial angle is sharper, and his ramus look longer:

View attachment 546307

But yeah aftr observing him mor i m not sure he got zygoma implants

 

[orthochadic]

and i m too lazy bro to calculate his befor and after esr ration just to check if he did

 

[orthochadic]

Yeah my plan is to get diagnosed for sleep apnea so I can get a bimax covered then I will go schedule an appointment with an orthodontist. Overnight sleep study is on July 28th.

hope you will have sleep apnea

 

[orthochadic]

I suspect a chin implant as well.

 

[JosephGarrot123]

hope you will have sleep apnea

My symptoms are medium/load snoring, difficulty concentrating during the day, feeling sleepy even after 8-10 hours of sleep, headaches, trouble breathing during the day, memory issues and acid reflux. High chance I get diagnosed I was also referred to a sleep study by a neurologist because I told her those symptoms

 

[Deleted member 7236]

This sounds like a meh idea for reasons already said. Hope it works and that it's safe.

 

[orthochadic]

Nice, so you will get a bimaxx, get a haircut, loose weight... And you will eventually gain at least 2 in psl.
If you want to improve something else don t hesitate asking me any question. I'm going to sleep as it s 4 am in europe. See you brother zzzzzzzz

 

[Mouthbreath]

sleep on your back. (it helps widening the skull under hgh the same way it does for babies and won't give you an assymetrical face)

again I'm asking for a source. There is zero evidence, that even high doeses of hgh do anything for bone thickness in adults.

 

[orthochadic]

again I'm asking for a source. There is zero evidence, that even high doeses of hgh do anything for bone thickness in adults.

 

[orthochadic]

i will look for studies about acromegaly and hgh. I have them all on my computer, once i'm at home.

 

[Mouthbreath]

whats the story behind this image and how does it relate to the effect of external hgh on bone thickness once growth plates have all fused?

 

[orthochadic]

There aren't any growth plate in your whole skull, and even if your skull stop growing, it's sutures won't totally close before your 70s.
My sources are Ostheopaths, which are mocked by other scientist, but their visions of sutures is the only one able to explain how adult acromegalics case get tremendeously wider ipd, maxillas...

Also take a look at my favourite hgh study :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4319194/

it hopepilled me so much that i even printed it and linked all its pages to each other in an office lol.

 

[orthochadic]

And i underlined all its important part lmao.

 

[orthochadic]

Also take a look at that:

Acromegaly | Radiology Reference Article | Radiopaedia.org

Acromegaly is the result of excessive growth hormone production in skeletally mature patients, most commonly from a pituitary adenoma. The same excess of growth hormone in individuals whose epiphyses have not fused will result in gigantism (exces...

radiopaedia.org

This link explain that when you have acromegaly (hgh production during adulthood), the inner table of your neurocranium bone is more growing than the outer one: "Calvarial thickening, particularly of the inner table 1"
(our skull bone are made of 3 layers, outer and inner are made of bone, and the middle one is made of spongy soft tissue basically, blood vessels...)

it's a Good new, as it simply means that your skull get thicker more from it's inner layer than its outer one so we are less likely to get uggly features from neurocranium thickening as most of it comes from inward.
You will only end up with an uggly skull if you use extremes doses for a long period of time.
But as you would be chewing more than thoses acromegalic peoples (as you would consciously train and be dedicated) and use hgh for a smaller period of time, you won't double your head width the same as heavy acromegalic cases, but gaining 1 to 3 cm in width seems legit possible in less than 5 years.

I will compare acromegalic cases skull width before and after using the iris method and then give you an updtate.

 

[orthochadic]

i will also compare their ipd

 

[Dylan2]

Just get a lobotomy theory.

 

[Mouthbreath]

acromegaly (hgh overproduction during adulthood)

Acromegaly is the result of excessive growth hormone production in skeletally mature patients, most commonly from a pituitary adenoma

You're right.

It would be amazing to see a study similar to the following one (external growth hormone for kids with no hgh deficiency increased their final height far beyond estimates from growth plate x-rays):

Health & Parenting

Here you'll find parenting tips and informative information including expert parenting advice for each age and stage in your child's development.

www.webmd.com

But obviously one would have to measure bone thickness rather than height.

Now it is also the question, how much growth hormone the acromegalic people produce. Because quality hgh is expensive already in small doses.

 

[Mouthbreath]

there is a bodybuilder called Dave Polumbo. The term plumboism was named after him, and many think that "polumboism" (extensive roid gut) is due to excessive hgh abuse. If that is true, then he obv had to use decent amounts of gh. So I tried to compare his skullsize before and after his bodybuilding career. However it is a bit difficult to accurately compare the size of his skull, I do think it did actually significantly increase, probably due to the gh.

Here are before and after pictures. The first image shows him in college, when he used to be a long distance runner. After that time, he got up to over 300lb with very low bf. Now after his bodybuilding career he is again at a much lower weight, shown in the second picture.


Compare the armlength to the skullsize. (the armlength did not change (very unlikely))