There is no such thing as a “LLTN”, “MLTN”, “HLTN”, “LMTN”, etc

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

nah, im low mid high tier chadlite sub2 mid low adamlite normie.

 

[Swarthy Knight]

@Swarthy Knight

Op spitting fax. I just wish that (yk who) would understand this

 

[isis_Bleach]

no it matters

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

holy shit you fucking mongol. the point of adding another layer to the rating scale is to estimate how close they are to reaching the next tier.

a low mtn will have some people read him as ltn whereas a high mtn will almost never have that issue. But neither one is getting htn treatment now are they.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

 

[supremeltn]

ive seen people say adamlite

 

[Tenres]

holy shit you fucking mongol. the point of adding another layer to the rating scale is to estimate how close they are to reaching the next tier.

a low mtn will have some people read him as ltn whereas a high mtn will almost never have that issue. But neither one is getting htn treatment now are they.

Its actually crazy to see people agreeing with this take

 

[CHRIST_764]

What is ray peat diet

 

[6ft4]

It used to be

HTN = 1/5
CL = 1/20
Chad 1/250

Now it's
HMTN 1/5
LHTN 1/20
MHTN 1/250
HHTN 1/1000

 

[sadcel]

That's like difference between 3.75 and 4 PSL

 

[castizo_ascender]

i mean i've always preferred the 2022-2024 system (liek wheat's or the old psl scale). ratings from 1-8, every tier corresponds to how women treat you. it might seem a little generous especially in the 2026 post tiktok, post clav scene but generally, I have found this system to correspond the best to how men actually get seen by women.

i personally think there are more nuances but generally i'd say it goes like this. this is the system i use to rate people in terms of smv (face + height + frame + physique + status):

1/deformed (bottom 0.1%): women see you as something to pity--ironically mighjt treat u better than a 2 or 3 out of pity

2/truecel (bottom 5%) : visceral revulsion. women are visibly repulsed by you, see you as pathetic and flat out avoid you. little children cry or make fun of you when they see you. morbidly obese or very short (sub 5') men fit here

3/subhuman/incel (bottom 5-25%): ugly. women find you incredibly unattractive and will generally reject you. mostly soft rejections but hard rejections will occur regularly

4/LTN (bottom 25-50%)+: conventionally unattractive. women see you as unattractive or boring but unlike the lower tiers, you aren't treated cruelly. most rejections will be soft. on apps you will generally get zero or close to zero likes even after several days and boosts

5/mtn(top 50%-top 25%) invisible to slightly cute. women will generally not notice you at all or see you as an average guy. but you might appeal to a small subset of women who see you as quite attractive. you won't get iois but women will generally register you as a normal person. on apps you might maybe get a handful of likes (5-10) after a few days dependind on where u live

6/htn (top 25-5%): cute/niche attractive: in this tier there is a lot of variation but generally most women will still register you as normal but you will have a minority of women who will be strongly into you and more who might be open. most women will still be neutral towards you though. lots of variation here though because this is kinda the buffer tier between the normies and chads. those closer to the chadlite tier (those in the top 5-10%) might see women approaching them pretty regularly, others on the lower end (closer to top 20-25%) might report receiving iois but few sober approaches. on apps you might get 15-50 likes depending on your pic quality and where u live

7/cl (top 5-0.1%) conventionally attractive. here is the point where you actually begin to be noticeably good looking and lust-provoking to the majority of women. Generally either people with excellent facial robustness, cephalic index, and inner ratios OR 6'2+ gymmaxxed people with HTN faces are in this range. Those in this range will be approached even by sober women fairly regularly and will absolutely clean up at parties/clubs. On apps you will generally get 50-99+ likes in a day depending on where you live. The halo effect is also very strong in this tier. It is the first tier in which you can really act like a complete idiot, autist or asshole and still get away with it. people like marlon, archie, clav, and vinnie hacker are in this tier (not htn or chad like many newgens believe). Also the first tier where you can make money off your looks, but requires more effort for less returns than for proper Chads

8/chad: (top 0.1)% the genetic elite. this tier is kinda self-explanatory. these are the absolute best looking men. most have very minor facial flaws and very exceptional robustness, eye areas, cephalic index and inner ratios. most have very good soft features as well. many tend to be successful models (like prime chico, sean o pry, david gandy, jeremy meeks, tyler maher) or actors (brad pitt, henry cavill, prime dolph lundgren). people in this tier are able to attract women simply by being in the same space as them and are the ideal partners of many women. they get approached even by sober women very frequently and can bag several women at once in parties with very little or even no effort whatsoever. Halo effect is even more pronounced than with CLs to the point they can even act cruelly to women and they will still interpret it in a good way. On apps they get 99+ in less than a day, even if in an unideal area with unideal pics. They can also make money off their looks far more than chadlites can. These are the people who secure multi million-dollar modelling contracts.

 

[rockyz]

Came back after a year to see the user base started to use intermediate looks categories like “low mid tier normie” or “high mid tier normie”

There aren’t 10+ categories of ways women perceive you, which is the point of the categories as opposed to just saying “x/10”. Years ago that was how everyone rated, but users invented something called the “PSL scale” so they can call the top 1% of men a 5 (the out of 10 is implied)

HOW WOMEN ACTUALLY SEE YOU:

1. Repulsive (Subhuman)
2. Invisible (LTN)
3. Sort of Attractive/Cute (MTN)
4. Attractive (HTN+)

In a social situation, you can get mogged by a higher category or mog a lower one

No one else cares who is 0.5257 inches taller or has 10% deviation on one of those ratios you see in a tik tok but have to be on some sort of spectrum to even consider committing to memory.

Wtf bro stop always wearing Air Forces you’re heightmogging me and scaring the bitches away

I’m brutally bloatmaxxed and descend to lmtn instead of hmtn before 11 am

If you are aware and hyper fixated on these matters what you have is not a rational interest in your looks but what is called mental illness and body dysmorphia. I can’t tell you what you ought to spend your mental attentions on but it probably starts with clicking the “X” on the tab

we need to create new psl scores such as hlmtn high low mid teir normie for people who are like better than lmtn but not quite mmtn

 

[castizo_ascender]

It used to be

HTN = 1/5
CL = 1/20
Chad 1/250

Now it's
HMTN 1/5
LHTN 1/20
MHTN 1/250
HHTN 1/1000

exactly it's so stupid how it changed due to tiktok and the clavcels. the old system was more generous but corresponded much better to how women actually see men and makes more sense statistically.

hell i even remember when cl was top 10% and htn was top 30% or 25%.

 

[castizo_ascender]

we need to create new psl scores such as hlmtn high low mid teir normie for people who are like better than lmtn but not quite mmtn

i've alr seen ppl use those unironically jfl. low hmtn. like bro wtf do tiktokcels really think women care that much about whether youre top 25 or top 22.5%? give me a break

 

[rockyz]

i've alr seen ppl use those unironically jfl. low hmtn. like bro wtf do tiktokcels really think women care that much about whether youre top 25 or top 22.5%? give me a break

jfl its just for them to have some self validation ykwim, a nigger would get mad if i rated him ltn but if i tell him his htn he will be exicted and quit annoying same thing goes for hltn nigga thinks i rated him a low high tier normie when its high low tier normie

 

[oculus]

who made that new listing though it randomly appeared

 

[tomahawk]

Facts nigger good thread

 

[killuacel]

bumping this godly thread that ALL need to see

 

[vortex878]

Came back after a year to see the user base started to use intermediate looks categories like “low mid tier normie” or “high mid tier normie”

There aren’t 10+ categories of ways women perceive you, which is the point of the categories as opposed to just saying “x/10”. Years ago that was how everyone rated, but users invented something called the “PSL scale” so they can call the top 1% of men a 5 (the out of 10 is implied)

HOW WOMEN ACTUALLY SEE YOU:

1. Repulsive (Subhuman)
2. Invisible (LTN)
3. Sort of Attractive/Cute (MTN)
4. Attractive (HTN+)

In a social situation, you can get mogged by a higher category or mog a lower one

No one else cares who is 0.5257 inches taller or has 10% deviation on one of those ratios you see in a tik tok but have to be on some sort of spectrum to even consider committing to memory.

Wtf bro stop always wearing Air Forces you’re heightmogging me and scaring the bitches away

I’m brutally bloatmaxxed and descend to lmtn instead of hmtn before 11 am

If you are aware and hyper fixated on these matters what you have is not a rational interest in your looks but what is called mental illness and body dysmorphia. I can’t tell you what you ought to spend your mental attentions on but it probably starts with clicking the “X” on the tab

While I agree with the general idea

I think there are more tiers

Just think about how YOU see women

It’s probably more tiers

If I had to put it

Repulsive - not a chance
Ugly - not good looking but wouldn’t necessarily say they’re hard to look at
Mid - just okay. Not attractive. They’re just there
Maybe - okay, very slightly bit attractive but you wouldn’t pursue first. If they pursue you first and have a good personality then maybe
Attractive - you find them attractive and would pursue
Extremely attractive - you instantly want them and want them bad