this foid so retarded

[xye]

 

[NorwoodAscender]

she’s got quite the chin as well man jesus christ

 

[xye]

she’s got quite the chin as well man jesus christ

over

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Bruh I’m watching ts rn

 

[ICXCLuvr]

This bitch denied both logic and metaphysics

 

[xye]

This bitch denied both logic and metaphysics
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yeah shes so annoying cant even let JaW speak
'how do you know it has no potency????' 50x
literally the worst person to ever debate him jfl

 

[ICXCLuvr]

yeah shes so annoying cant even let JaW speak
'how do you know it has no potency????' 50x
literally the worst person to ever debate him jfl

She’s trolling + a woman

As an atheist our PR is tanked. Bitch is legit going to be clipped and JaW is going to be framed as the composed logical guy and she’s going to be seen as a cringey idiot

The dark ages are upon us

 

[juan_max]

dnc I'd fuck her

 

[xye]

She’s trolling + a woman

As an atheist our PR is tanked. Bitch is legit going to be clipped and JaW is going to be framed as the composed logical guy and she’s going to be seen as a cringey idiot

The dark ages are upon us
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i mean as a christian i think JaW is very good at articulating the cosmological argument but man this debate is fucking retarded it's actual brainrot when i clicked on it i expected somethign like the debate with natefm where it was at least civilized and respectful even if nate's arguments were horrible and he clearly lost
one of his other opponents denied the principle of sufficient reason

 

[ICXCLuvr]

i mean as a christian i think JaW is very good at articulating the cosmological argument but man this debate is fucking retarded it's actual brainrot when i clicked on it i expected somethign like the debate with natefm where it was at least civilized and respectful even if nate's arguments were horrible and he clearly lost
one of his other opponents denied the principle of sufficient reason

I saw her lives and knew it’d be ass, she doesn’t have logical arguments she just plays a character and is condescending with millennial humor.

JAW’s argument isn’t as concrete as he thinks either, like she is trying to point out it runs into the god of the gaps problem if the argument WAS true but it’s not even true to begin with

Classical theism has already been disproven idk why people debate they might as well just say “it’s unprovable” like they used to lol

 

[xye]

mogs hexum

 

[birdcelclassic]

Need to surgically swap her jaw with mine.

 

[xye]

I saw her lives and knew it’d be ass, she doesn’t have logical arguments she just plays a character and is condescending with millennial humor.

JAW’s argument isn’t as concrete as he thinks either, like she is trying to point out it runs into the god of the gaps problem if the argument WAS true but it’s not even true to begin with

Classical theism has already been disproven idk why people debate they might as well just say “it’s unprovable” like they used to lol

there is no god of the gaps though here, a first cause must be an uncaused causer that is therefore eternal, and not limited in power

imo deism is understandable, atheism isn't

 

[ICXCLuvr]

first cause must be an uncaused causer that is therefore eternal, and not limited in power

God would need a cause too

whatever logic and argument you use to explain why god doesn’t need a first cause and be used to explain the universe. Pantheism is more logical than classical theism

Also quantum physics shows random things happening too. Also even if there was a first cause we don’t know if it would be some sort of being. So many holes in that argument. Catholics eat up hype moments from farming against low ranked atheists who began atheists from family trauma and rage against the faith

Problem of suffering from a utilitarian perspective still hasn’t been disproven either

 

[xye]

God would need a cause too

whatever logic and argument you use to explain why god doesn’t need a first cause and be used to explain the universe. Pantheism is more logical than classical theism

Also quantum physics shows random things happening too. Also even if there was a first cause we don’t know if it would be some sort of being. So many holes in that argument. Catholics eat up hype moments from farming against low ranked atheists who began atheists from family trauma and rage against the faith

Problem of suffering from a utilitarian perspective still hasn’t been disproven either

God does not need a cause since he is a necessary being because by definition he is the first cause. if 'he' was caused then it would not be God and there would be a cause preceding it and the first cause would still have to be an eternal limitless being (God).

also problem of suffering doesn't debunk the existence of God, though i'm willing to explain it as a christian i'd just prefer to establish deism at least before getting to that

 

[ICXCLuvr]

God does not need a cause since he is a necessary being because by definition he is the first cause. if 'he' was caused then it would not be God and there would be a cause preceding it and the first cause would still have to be an eternal limitless being.

Yeah what says so?

Infinites are logically possible. There is nothing that distinguishes god from being another cause other than you saying he is the first cause. Explain why.

also problem of suffering doesn't debunk the existence of God, though i'm willing to explain it as a christian i'd just prefer to establish deism at least before getting to that

no I’m not granting you deism. Problem of suffering from my perspective dismantles classical theism entirely. But I’ll hear you out on this, I’d like you to respond to this one over the first cause rebuttal tho

 

[xye]

Infinites are logically possible. There is nothing that distinguishes god from being another cause other than you saying he is the first cause. Explain why.

there will eventually be a first cause and that first cause is God

no I’m not granting you deism. Problem of suffering from my perspective dismantles classical theism entirely. But I’ll hear you out on this, I’d like you to respond to this one over the first cause rebuttal tho

from a perspective that does not assume an all loving god suffering can be just
as a christian though i am universalist meaning that i think hell is a purgatorial phase that those who weren't saved in their lives here experience, meaning that everyone will eventually have never-ending paradise, which surpasses all former suffering

 

[ICXCLuvr]

from a perspective that does not assume an all loving god suffering can be just
as a christian though i am universalist meaning that i think hell is a purgatorial phase that those who weren't saved in their lives here experience, meaning that everyone will eventually have never-ending paradise, which surpasses all former suffering

If he was gonna do that eventually then he should’ve just did that. I reject the idea that eventual paradise can justify the suffering here. Logically it makes little sense. But I’m glad we can agree that it’s only right for a paradise to exist under this framework

 

[xye]

If he was gonna do that eventually then he should’ve just did that. I reject the idea that eventual paradise can justify the suffering here. Logically it makes little sense. But I’m glad we can agree that it’s only right for a paradise to exist under this framework

eventual paradise > immediate paradise because of the contrast between suffering and beatitude

 

[ICXCLuvr]

because of the contrast between suffering and beatitude

Why is this needed? Could it be that it brings you joy? The joy that you could already receive in a perfect state of bliss?

 

[xye]

Why is this needed? Could it be that it brings you joy? The joy that you could already receive in a perfect state of bliss?

if you did 10 hours of hard labor then did something freeing or enjoyable that thing would be more enjoyable after the hard labor than just doing that thing

 

[thickbitch]

Wetin you mean

 

[ICXCLuvr]

if you did 10 hours of hard labor then did something freeing or enjoyable that thing would be more enjoyable after the hard labor than just doing that thing

If an omnipotent god gave me infinite joy full all of eternity then I would jsut feel the joy from that relief without the need to suffer..

Suffering isn’t needed for greater joy. This analogy isn’t comparable on a metaphysical level, also don’t you forget the suffering in heaven anyways

 

[JewishNationalist]

in short: no, god doesn't exist. its a social construct.

 

[JewishNationalist]

This bitch denied both logic and metaphysics
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logic and metaphysics are just our own mental constructs, they don't exist in objective reality.

 

[xye]

If an omnipotent god gave me infinite joy full all of eternity then I would jsut feel the joy from that relief without the need to suffer..

Suffering isn’t needed for greater joy. This analogy isn’t comparable on a metaphysical level, also don’t you forget the suffering in heaven anyways

It’s not necessary but it’s better
Triumph over evil is better than there never being evil
Im going to sleep now though I’ll respond tmr

 

[ICXCLuvr]

logic and metaphysics are just our own mental constructs, they don't exist in objective reality.

they’re mental constructs used to explain/ question reality? What is this comment even trying to say. What a dumbass wannabe smart comment

 

[JewishNationalist]

they’re mental constructs used to explain/ question reality? What is this comment even trying to say. What a dumbass wannabe smart comment

just because it doesn't exist in reality, thus its a shit tool for explaining reality?? lmfao

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Triumph over evil is better than there never being evil

No it’s not. This is such a weak argument.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

just because it doesn't exist in reality, thus its a shit tool for explaining reality?? lmfao

What does this comment even mean?

 

[JewishNationalist]

What does this comment even mean?

it means your metaphysics and logic are fucking shit

 

[ICXCLuvr]

it means your metaphysics and logic are fucking shit

Ur using logic (or attempting to) rn idiot

 

[JewishNationalist]

Ur using logic (or attempting to) rn idiot

i don't use it

 

[ICXCLuvr]

i don't use it

When you speak in opposition to me to explain that logic is stipid and irrelevant you are paradoxically using logic and reasoning. Just bend knee

 

[RitaIincel]

in short: no, god doesn't exist. its a social construct.

 

[JewishNationalist]

When you speak in opposition to me to explain that logic is stipid and irrelevant you are paradoxically using logic and reasoning. Just bend knee

i use my instincts, not reasoning nor logic

 

[ICXCLuvr]

i use my instincts, not reasoning nor logic

Lmao

 

[Banana ★ 🍌]

Atleast summarize this shit it’s the same length as the new spider man movie

 

[Avocet]

The womans just being an insufferable whore holy shit, does anyone actually find her funny?