This is the look you need to slay JBS STACY but many will cope.

[Reckless Turtle]

True. My bad. I come from work right now and I'm a little bit exhausted.

Age and Fertility: A Study on Patient Awareness

Fertility declines as women age. Advancing maternal age increases pregnancy risks such as diabetes or hypertension. Studies suggest women are not aware of the risks of aging on fertility and pregnancy. The study objective was to assess women's knowledge ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here it says female fertility begins to decline at 35.

Fertility peaks around age 30 for both males and females, Boston University study finds | Chobanian & Avedisian School of Medicine

www.bumc.bu.edu

Same thing here. Peak fertility at around 30. If
14 were to be the answer then 18 would have been found as the age of peak fertility.

Study Shows Fertility Decline Begins in Late 20s

www.scientificamerican.com

Same thing.



Also like I said it was found that peak fertility is beginning after 7 years of reaching sexual maturation and not immediately after reaching it.

That first link is another survey that asked women how they felt about their fertility...

Consult back to my post about the ovarian reserve and trisomy mutations with maternal age. The proof is in the pudding regardless of whether modern reports want to recognize it.

 

[Niki9911]

That first link is another survey that asked women how they felt about their fertility...

Consult back to my post about the ovarian reserve and trisomy mutations with maternal age. The proof is in the pudding regardless of whether modern reports want to recognize it.

So the first link. And disregarding the rest. Okay..


Trisomy mutations (where the risks btw only significantly start to rise at age 30+, in the 20s it's only at about 2-3%) and ovarian reserve have nothing to do with peak fertility (or it's negligible and not significant until a certain age) which is determined to be at peak until the late twenties. Which is a fact. You are arguing against a strawman here. Technically if a girl is 12-16 she is at her peak but at 24 she is also at her peak. I would argue that a woman is the most fertile in her early 20s since teenage girls often still have irregular periods. Peak fertility only starts to decline after the late 20s significantly. The teenage years are just "part of the peak", if even that, but not THE peak.

And it's also not a good indicator for attractiveness. You don't find a 15 year old boy the most attractive as a woman, just because his sperm is the most healthiest at that age. You also shouldn't find a little 15 girl the most attractive just because she is at "peak fertility" (which again is only a part of the peak years). She is in most cases physically not fully matured at that age, looks like a kid in the face without makeup and is mentally also a fucking kid. It's just weird.

 

[Niki9911]

Jfl we are arguing 15/16 not 14. Are you loskr alt you sound just like him. He also started mentioning same things as you when his arguments got shakey

I don't know who that is

 

[Reckless Turtle]

So the first link. And disregarding the rest. Okay..

None of them were actual studies.

Trisomy mutations (where the risks btw only significantly start to rise at age 30+, in the 20s it's only at about 2-3%)

Did you not read the link I gave you? We're talking about peak here, and the lowest chance of mutations was at age 18 (the lowest legal age).

since teenage girls often still have irregular periods

Teenagers prior to sexual maturation.

You don't find a 15 year old boy the most attractive as a woman, just because his sperm is the most healthiest at that age.

No, because men sexually mature at around the age of 19.

 

[Niki9911]

None of them were actual studies.

Did you not read the link I gave you? We're talking about peak here, and the lowest chance of mutations was at age 18 (the lowest legal age).

Teenagers prior to sexual maturation.

No, because men sexually mature at around the age of 19.

These are articles based on studies and just quote the scientific consensus.


And again, peak fertility starts to significantly go down in the 30s and stay at peak until the late 20s. That's it. Case closed.

Men reach stage 5 after they turned 18. But the point still stands. Even 18-19 year old males are by far not the most attractive age group, just because they have the healthiest sperm at that age while being sexually mature. The same applies for girls.

Sexual maturation for girls is reached around 16 year old. And like I said I can see the attraction there, since they look fully developed. However mentally they aren't and in the face they still look very very young.

My original argument is that women are not at peak fertility ONLY at 15-16 (again it stays there until the late 20s. No significant change until then.) and I have a problem with looking at that and then turning around and saying that you are only interested in 15/16 year old girls that are mentally not even close to being developed just because they have a few more eggs which doesn't result in a significant difference in fertility. It's just a dumb excuse.

 

[Niki9911]

Like look at Barbara Palvin at 16 (first two pics) and then in her 20s. Who tf finds that little girl more attractive than the grown woman? Girls physically still become better looking when they get into their 20s. Even after they reached sexual maturation. It's the same with Madison Beer etc..

It's just a weird excuse.

 

[Niki9911]

Another example. Selena Gomez. How is a 16 year old in her "prime" lmao. Most women just look better in their 20s when they actually have become women. This only doesn't apply when she is smoking heavily or gets fat. But normally a woman just looks way more attractive later on. At 16 most girls are just sticks still.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Even 18-19 year old males are by far not the most attractive age group, just because they have the healthiest sperm at that age while being sexually mature.

That's debatable but muscularity is a factor in male sex appeal, which takes time to develop even after sexual maturation. We're comparing apples to oranges here because male mate selection is highly dependent on fertility and nulliparity.

However mentally they aren't and in the face they still look very very young.

My original argument is that women are not at peak fertility ONLY at 15-16 (again it stays there until the late 20s. No significant change until then.) and I have a problem with looking at that and then turning around and saying that you are only interested in 15/16 year old girls that are mentally not even close to being developed just because they have a few more eggs which doesn't result in a significant difference in fertility. It's just a dumb excuse.

Females reach peak brain mass in tandem with sexual maturation (15-16):

Another example. Selena Gomez. How is a 16 year old in her "prime" lmao. Most women just look better in their 20s when they actually have become women. This only doesn't apply when she is smoking heavily or gets fat. But normally a woman just looks way more attractive later on. At 16 most girls are just sticks still.

Remove all makeup and frauding and the answer is obvious. There were already multiple graphs linked in this thread indicating the ages men most prefer (and even the age range when rape is at its highest).

 

[Niki9911]

That's debatable but muscularity is a factor in male sex appeal, which takes time to develop even after sexual maturation. We're comparing apples to oranges here because male mate selection is highly dependent on fertility and nulliparity.

Females reach peak brain mass in tandem with sexual maturation (15-16):

Remove all makeup and frauding and the answer is obvious. There were already multiple graphs linked in this thread indicating the ages men most prefer (and even the age range when rape is at its highest).

Makes no sense. All women I posted had makeup and were frauding. No matter the age. And just look at their bodies wtf. It's there in plain sight. All these famous women looked much better later on, much more developed and not like sticks anymore.



Brain mass is not an indicator of intelligence without context. It is a known fact that the brain still develops far into the 20s even tho peak brain mass is reached much earlier.

You're reaching now dude.

People don't become 'adults' until their 30s, say scientists

Experts say people aged 18 are still going through changes in the brain that can affect behaviour.

www.bbc.com

Why is 18 the age of adulthood if the brain can take 30 years to mature?

Research suggests that most human brains take about 25 years to develop, though these rates can vary between men and women.

bigthink.com

Also that younger girls are often targeted for rape has a lot of reasons. They are still physically weaker and they won't speak out as much as the personality isn't that strong and set yet (tying into the the mental development aspect again), they don't know their rights yet, fear of stigma, fear of not being believed, they know the person in over 90% of cases which makes it even harder, they dress often more revealing since they are still naive about the world around them etc.. and not because they are the most attractive.

Also it's not even true. The age group that suffers the most from sexual assault, and by a large amount, is from 18-34. 12-17 year olds make up "only" 15%.


And where do people say in a study/survey that 15/16 year olds are more attractive than women in their early 20s? I want a source for that. And not something where you can pull your own interpretations out of it.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Makes no sense. All women I posted had makeup and were frauding. No matter the age. And just look at their bodies wtf. It's there in plain sight. All these famous women looked much better later on, much more developed and not like sticks anymore.



Brain mass is not an indicator of intelligence without context. It is a known fact that the brain still develops far into the 20s even tho peak brain mass is reached much earlier.

You're reaching now dude.

People don't become 'adults' until their 30s, say scientists

Experts say people aged 18 are still going through changes in the brain that can affect behaviour.

www.bbc.com

Why is 18 the age of adulthood if the brain can take 30 years to mature?

Research suggests that most human brains take about 25 years to develop, though these rates can vary between men and women.

bigthink.com

Also that younger girls are often targeted for rape has a lot of reasons. They are still physically weaker and they won't speak out as much as the personality isn't that strong and set yet (tying into the the mental development aspect again), they don't know their rights yet, fear of stigma, fear of not being believed, they know the person in over 90% of cases which makes it even harder, they dress often more revealing since they are still naive about the world around them etc.. and not because they are the most attractive.

Also it's not even true. The age group that suffers the most from sexual assault, and by a large amount, is from 18-34. 12-17 year olds make up "only" 15%.


And where do people say in a study/survey that 15/16 year olds are more attractive than women in their early 20s? I want a source for that. And not something where you can pull your own interpretations out of it.

Go back to page 1. You're glossing over information that has already been posted here. New experiences and senescence continue to alter the brain after sexual maturation.

 

[Niki9911]

Go back to page 1. You're glossing over information that has already been posted here. New experiences and senescence continue to alter the brain after sexual maturation.

Just give me the study already and don't gloss over everything else. I don't have the time to search in this thread for some graph.

 

[LocalDanger]

Just give me the study already and don't gloss over everything else. I don't have the time to search in this thread for some graph.

Very interesting discussion tbh.

Wasn't it a graph he posted a few posts before ?

You are only person normally discussing with @Reckless Turtle here thankfully. Most scream you are retarded weirdo without any arguments like you

 

[eduardkoopman]

Like look at Barbara Palvin at 16 (first two pics) and then in her 20s. Who tf finds that little girl more attractive than the grown woman? Girls physically still become better looking when they get into their 20s. Even after they reached sexual maturation. It's the same with Madison Beer etc..

It's just a weird excuse.