Timothee Chalamet: bimax using Coceancig Line vs. Ramieri Bimax

[valhalar]

I have previously criticised the "Coceancig line" for jaw surgery, which is Paul Coceancig's standard for bimaxillary advancement.

He advances the nasal base, the incisor and the chin BONES to a line dropped from the nasal bone at a 90 degree angle against the Frankfurt plane. Remember this does not even take into account the soft tissue atop it.

Here is Timothee Chalamet drawn with a coceancig line, dropping from the end of his nasal bone at the end of the Frankfurt plane:

Here is Chalamet with the bones advanced to the line (approximately) with soft tissue overtop:

and here is what a normal maxillofacial surgeon, like Ramieri would do... which is to bring the soft tissue (not bone) somewhere just behind that same line:

The three compared:

Obviously the normal bimax advancement is the best here, as it takes into account the individuals phenotype.

The Coceancig line only works for some phenotypes, seemingly ones with large noses and prominent foreheads. For many males, I predict it will produce uncanny looking results.

Before the Coceancig shills jump in, it is very hard to morph the Coceancig line advancement to look "good" so if Timothee actually got a Coceancig bimax in real life it might look better, but still dogmaxxed.

I strongly believe you can expect the best outcome from a regular bimax from someone like Ramieri, whose smaller movements also mean less risk of nerve damage.

 

[justadude]

looks like cavil

 

[valhalar]

@Yoke I saw you replied to other thread. See what you think of this one. Also tagging @tesseract @spark @Zenturio @randomvanish @bossman @LightSkinNoob @thecel

 

[valhalar]

Chalamet looks excellent with the normal bimax I did here. @rrrrrr8526

 

[Deleted member 17763]

Her: you must be retarded if you think we fuckin

Me:

 

[LightSkinNoob]

@Patient A

 

[rand anon]

Chalamet looks excellent with the normal bimax I did here. @rrrrrr8526

PSL wise yeah, he loses his appeal though when u make him more masc

 

[ROTTING]

I have previously criticised the "Coceancig line" for jaw surgery, which is Paul Coceancig's standard for bimaxillary advancement.

He advances the nasal base, the incisor and the chin BONES to a line dropped from the nasal bone at a 90 degree angle against the Frankfurt plane. Remember this does not even take into account the soft tissue atop it.

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Here is Timothee Chalamet drawn with a coceancig line, dropping from the end of his nasal bone at the end of the Frankfurt plane:

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Here is Chalamet with the bones advanced to the line (approximately) with soft tissue overtop:

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and here is what a normal maxillofacial surgeon, like Ramieri would do... which is to bring the soft tissue (not bone) somewhere just behind that same line:

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The three compared:

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Obviously the normal bimax advancement is the best here, as it takes into account the individuals phenotype.

The Coceancig line only works for some phenotypes, seemingly ones with large noses and prominent foreheads. For many males, I predict it will produce uncanny looking results.

Before the Coceancig shills jump in, it is very hard to morph the Coceancig line advancement to look "good" so if Timothee actually got a Coceancig bimax in real life it might look better, but still dogmaxxed.

I strongly believe you can expect the best outcome from a regular bimax from someone like Ramieri, whose smaller movements also mean less risk of nerve damage.

Looks like a dog in both

 

[Yoke]

Here is Chalamet with the bones advanced to the line (approximately) with soft tissue overtop:

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[randomvanish]

explain this shit @spark

 

[Danish_Retard]

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Is that some kinda cartel punishment or makeup/photoshop?

 

[valhalar]

explain this shit @spark

Lmaooo

 

[Foreverbrad]

So according to this, anyone but Coceanig would recommend me BSSO only because maxilla soft tissue is already on the line?

 

[valhalar]

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So according to this, anyone but Coceanig would recommend me BSSO only because maxilla soft tissue is already on the line?

No, if your upper and lower teeth meet and you want jaw surgery, it means you need bimax.

People like Ramieri would still recommend jaw surgery for you.

You achieve this by doing counterclockwise rotation of the maxilla, allowing the front teeth to stay in roughly the same place (perhaps moving 2mm) while being rotated at the back so that the lower mandible moves to a more forward position.

That's also a low quality photo taken from a low angle, it's distorted, you are beard frauding, and that isn't how you draw the lines.

 

[Foreverbrad]

That isn't how you draw the lines.

I drew the Frankfort line and then a line perpendicular to it from the end of my nasal bone (estimated by feeling my nose) as you said.

BSSO + CCW LF1 sounds legit though. I just hope the CCW won't fuck my nose.

 

[valhalar]

I drew the Frankfort line and then a line perpendicular to it from the end of my nasal bone (estimated by feeling my nose) as you said.

BSSO + CCW LF1 sounds legit though. I just hope the CCW won't fuck my nose.

What I meant was you need to draw lines on a photo taken from the correct position (usually eye height) and from far away enough that is not distorted. Having a photo angled like that means the lines aren't really in a useful position.

Ramieri does CCW that hardly moves nose.

 

[Deleted member 17345]

mogs me to mars and back ....can u morph my bimax PLZZZZZZ

 

[valhalar]

mogs me to mars and back ....can u morph my bimax PLZZZZZZ

Camera is too close and angled. You need a true side profile photo where the camera is back at least 1-2 meters and well lit. Usually positioned the camera at eye height. but... I can try...

 

[Deleted member 17345]

Camera is too close and angled. You need a true side profile photo where the camera is back at least 1-2 meters and well lit. Usually positioned the camera at eye height. but... I can try...

NOT HOME BUT GOT THIS:

 

[valhalar]

mogs me to mars and back

I did it on your first pic with some CCW but it's kind of awkward to morph, it's hard to tell how accurate it is because of all the angles:

NOT HOME BUT GOT THIS

That second pic makes your jaw look way less recessed and normal lol. So IDK which you truly are.

 

[Deleted member 17345]

I did it on your first pic with some CCW but it's kind of awkward to morph, it's hard to tell how accurate it is because of all the angles:

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That second pic makes your jaw look way less recessed and normal lol. So IDK which you truly are.

I LOVE U

 

[Deleted member 17345]

I did it on your first pic with some CCW but it's kind of awkward to morph, it's hard to tell how accurate it is because of all the angles:

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That second pic makes your jaw look way less recessed and normal lol. So IDK which you truly are.

can u do lefort impaction so u move up the maxilla few mm?

 

[valhalar]

can u do lefort impaction so u move up the maxilla few mm?

Hard to morph on that pic, I will do it properly if you provide another better pic in future lol. I need to sleep atm tho.

 

[spark]

I have previously criticised the "Coceancig line" for jaw surgery, which is Paul Coceancig's standard for bimaxillary advancement.

He advances the nasal base, the incisor and the chin BONES to a line dropped from the nasal bone at a 90 degree angle against the Frankfurt plane. Remember this does not even take into account the soft tissue atop it.

View attachment 1671726

Here is Timothee Chalamet drawn with a coceancig line, dropping from the end of his nasal bone at the end of the Frankfurt plane:

View attachment 1671742


Here is Chalamet with the bones advanced to the line (approximately) with soft tissue overtop:

View attachment 1671743


and here is what a normal maxillofacial surgeon, like Ramieri would do... which is to bring the soft tissue (not bone) somewhere just behind that same line:

View attachment 1671748


The three compared:

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Obviously the normal bimax advancement is the best here, as it takes into account the individuals phenotype.

The Coceancig line only works for some phenotypes, seemingly ones with large noses and prominent foreheads. For many males, I predict it will produce uncanny looking results.

Before the Coceancig shills jump in, it is very hard to morph the Coceancig line advancement to look "good" so if Timothee actually got a Coceancig bimax in real life it might look better, but still dogmaxxed.

I strongly believe you can expect the best outcome from a regular bimax from someone like Ramieri, whose smaller movements also mean less risk of nerve damage.

explain this shit @spark

As I have said before it's impossible to do a ceph analysis on a candid photograph. I can tell you that I am QUITE recessed and I am just 10 mm away from the Coceancig drop line in the mandible. Even a bluepilled retard surgeon would likely take me at least half way. If you think Coceancig does like 20 extra mm over a regular surgeon even after seeing his before afters which never look overdone there must be something deeply wrong with you.

 

[Yoke]

Is that some kinda cartel punishment or makeup/photoshop?

fake af

 

[6ft4]

I would be fine with getting dogmaxxed to the next dimension over an underwhelming result
I am just so fucking bored of my face now I want it to look as different as possible post surgery
I want to wake up with a new phenotype

 

[randomvanish]

As I have said before it's impossible to do a ceph analysis on a candid photograph. I can tell you that I am QUITE recessed and I am just 10 mm away from the Coceancig drop line in the mandible. Even a bluepilled retard surgeon would likely take me at least half way. If you think Coceancig does like 20 extra mm over a regular surgeon even after seeing his before afters which never look overdone there must be something deeply wrong with you.

nah you must draw all the lines on the pic and back up to paul

 

[coke]

Looking at the normal Bimax, I thought it looked uncanny, because I'm so used to Chalamet's natural side profile.

Then I looked again, and realised, when you don't think about Timothee Chalamet, and look at it, he looks a hell of a lot better.

Then I looked at the 3, and damn.. the normal bimax advancement genuinely accends Chalamet, I have a similar side profile to him, and I'm being told by multi maxfac's I need bimax+genio.

 

[valhalar]

Looking at the normal Bimax, I thought it looked uncanny, because I'm so used to Chalamet's natural side profile.

Then I looked again, and realised, when you don't think about Timothee Chalamet, and look at it, he looks a hell of a lot better.

Then I looked at the 3, and damn.. the normal bimax advancement genuinely accends Chalamet, I have a similar side profile to him, and I'm being told by multi maxfac's I need bimax+genio.

Yeah, I mean technically you could argue the normal bimax is a bit much. Alfaro wouldn’t advance that far, for example.

 

[valhalar]

As I have said before it's impossible to do a ceph analysis on a candid photograph. I can tell you that I am QUITE recessed and I am just 10 mm away from the Coceancig drop line in the mandible. Even a bluepilled retard surgeon would likely take me at least half way. If you think Coceancig does like 20 extra mm over a regular surgeon even after seeing his before afters which never look overdone there must be something deeply wrong with you.

That excuse doesn’t work when you have a good profile photo and clear view of the infra

 

[valhalar]

I just watched this bimax that Coceancig did on someone... massive change on a severely underdeveloped mandible.

However, towards the end of the video the patient asks to see a soft tissue prediction and Coceancig refuses and says that he cannot appreciate what it would look like "objectively".

Wtaf... I would never trust a surgeon who will not show the soft tissue prediction.

 

[TrestIsBest]

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Is this real??

 

[valhalar]

Is this real??

No lol

 

[randomvanish]

I just watched this bimax that Coceancig did on someone... massive change on a severely underdeveloped mandible.

However, towards the end of the video the patient asks to see a soft tissue prediction and Coceancig refuses and says that he cannot appreciate what it would look like "objectively".

Wtaf... I would never trust a surgeon who will not show the soft tissue prediction.

in that video he said "this is making you god", even the patient giggle and said "omg" LMAO.

not sure should I feel like he's "blackpilled" or showing a giant red flag as a surgeon.

 

[valhalar]

in that video he said "this is making you god", even the patient giggle and said "omg" LMAO.

not sure should I feel like he's "blackpilled" or showing a giant red flag as a surgeon.

Yeah lmaooo the patient just like 'ok but is my face gonna match my gay voice'.

 

[spark]

That excuse doesn’t work when you have a good profile photo and clear view of the infra

There are no excuses, your lines are just off.

 

[randomvanish]

this or death

 

[Blackgymmax]

Looking at the normal Bimax, I thought it looked uncanny, because I'm so used to Chalamet's natural side profile.

Then I looked again, and realised, when you don't think about Timothee Chalamet, and look at it, he looks a hell of a lot better.

Then I looked at the 3, and damn.. the normal bimax advancement genuinely accends Chalamet, I have a similar side profile to him, and I'm being told by multi maxfac's I need bimax+genio.

you need to ask women and not get jaded by the psl mındset. psl mındset really rots your braın ınto thınkıng botched surgery patıents actually look good. theres a good reason as to why no one on thıs sıte got bıg off theır looks alone ak tıktok ıg etc. harmony ıs the most ımportant fırst and foremost. the second that even slıghtly gets fucked the entıre face ıs ruıned

 

[coke]

you need to ask women and not get jaded by the psl mındset. psl mındset really rots your braın ınto thınkıng botched surgery patıents actually look good. theres a good reason as to why no one on thıs sıte got bıg off theır looks alone ak tıktok ıg etc. harmony ıs the most ımportant fırst and foremost. the second that even slıghtly gets fucked the entıre face ıs ruıned

I agree with that, I will say this website comes with mental health complications too, but I also have a theory that those who potentially had surgery (like XQC getting MSE - or Tom Cruise's potential Jaw Surgery) don't often talk about it in the celebrity world. I think surprisingly this is a very small minority on this website, and their are people who ascend quite well.

I do think Chalamet looked better, but I also don't personally find his side profile all that appealing. My girlfriend isn't a fan of him at all, says he looks very weak, but she loves Tom Holland who is 4 inches shorter and in my personal opinion looks younger, a good jaw can do wonders.

I have a genuine recessive jaw, consulted with 3 maxillofacial surgeons, I'm happy with my harmony, and hopeful that a Bimax+Genio won't fuck it up, and personally believe it will help me.

 

[Blackgymmax]

I agree with that, I will say this website comes with mental health complications too, but I also have a theory that those who potentially had surgery (like XQC getting MSE - or Tom Cruise's potential Jaw Surgery) don't often talk about it in the celebrity world. I think surprisingly this is a very small minority on this website, and their are people who ascend quite well.

I do think Chalamet looked better, but I also don't personally find his side profile all that appealing. My girlfriend isn't a fan of him at all, says he looks very weak, but she loves Tom Holland who is 4 inches shorter and in my personal opinion looks younger, a good jaw can do wonders.

I have a genuine recessive jaw, consulted with 3 maxillofacial surgeons, I'm happy with my harmony, and hopeful that a Bimax+Genio won't fuck it up, and personally believe it will help me.

You know hundreds of people have had surgery here and people get them every week but no one's really ascended to chad but the OGs due to shit phenos, lack of harmony etc etc. The best ascension on this site is literally @StreegeReturn and salludon lmao. I'm not saying you can't gain 0.5psl but "ascending isn't as much as you think it is. I'm sure eventually someone will get lucky and get all the surgeries right, having the best soft tissues pheno etc etc, however it hasn't happened yet else that person would be taking up their fame next to salludon

 

[Deleted member 16380]

this or death
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It is a well-known cephalometric measurement, used by the most prominent surgeons in the field.

Called "Murzik's line"

 

[Deleted member 16380]

You know hundreds of people have had surgery here and people get them every week but no one's really ascended to chad but the OGs die to shit phenos, lack of harmony etc etc. The best ascension on this site is literally @StreegeReturn and salludon lmao. I'm not saying you can't gain 0.5psl but "ascending isn't as much as you think it is. I'm sure eventually someone will get lucky and get all the surgeries right, having the best soft tissues pheno etc etc, however it hasn't happened yet else that person would be taking up their fame next to salludon

Salludon did not ascend too much though... probably 1-2 pSL. He had all the bones to begin with, and no severe defects like the lack of symmetry. Don't know why he is always given as an example of "ascension" when he was OK even before the ascension. Not like he jumped +4 PSL

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

and here is what most surgeons would advance

 

[Blackgymmax]

@lagrang

Salludon did not ascend too much though... probably 1-2 pSL. He had all the bones to begin with, and no severe defects like the lack of symmetry. Don't know why he is always given as an example of "ascension" when he was OK even before the ascension. Not like he jumped +4 PSL

Salludon did not ascend too much though... probably 1-2 pSL. He had all the bones to begin with, and no severe defects like the lack of symmetry. Don't know why he is always given as an example of "ascension" when he was OK even before the ascension. Not like he jumped +4 PSL

And how many times have you heard the old "bimax will ascend me".
Yeah form MTN to htn lol. I've heard this shit atleast 100 times on this site but haven't seen a single bimax result that boosted anyone's smv here to a natty chad (except getlooksordietrying forgot)

 

[Blackgymmax]

Shit if I had money to drop like that I'd get bimax but I'd look at it as a minor touch up.

 

[Deleted member 16380]

except getlooksordietrying forgot

Who s this cel never seen him?

 

[Cardiologyscribe]

That's why Giant Implants is the best out there

 

[Deleted member 17345]

how much does he charge?

 

[Blackgymmax]

Who s this cel never seen him?

He deleted his shit off lookism but he truly went incel to chad with a good coloring base. I think he started the bimax shit because he was the ONLY guy to truly ascend to chad with it. This was in like 2018 2019

 

[Deleted member 18840]

You know hundreds of people have had surgery here and people get them every week but no one's really ascended to chad but the OGs due to shit phenos, lack of harmony etc etc. The best ascension on this site is literally @StreegeReturn and salludon lmao. I'm not saying you can't gain 0.5psl but "ascending isn't as much as you think it is. I'm sure eventually someone will get lucky and get all the surgeries right, having the best soft tissues pheno etc etc, however it hasn't happened yet else that person would be taking up their fame next to salludon

One is very limited by his overall appeal and harmony. In order to be more attractive to women that were repulsed by you, you need drastic changes and that those changes not only are harmonious but also fit the standard where you live. It’s genuinely hard and mainly a matter of luck no matter how much people here say its about planing your ascension well.

The safest way to do things is to be already softmaxxed above average and do subtle natural surgeries to fix what you think is lacking. While going overboard may kill everything.

Going full aspie mode on surgeries should be reserved to absolute subhumans who have no hope left