Top 5 footballers of all time

[Deleted member 11053]

Messi has made more chances, his teammates just don’t finish

Besides, most of Ronaldo’s assists are 1 yard passes or mis hits

Messi can create chances out OF NOTHING to change games, Ronaldo could never dream of some passes Messi does

Messi is just a better footballer all around, it’s just Ronaldo has been really efficient when given chances cause of his finishing ability especially in important moments, plus teammates also stepping up (Eder, benzema, casemiro, van de sar, di maria) but overall Messi is just better A better footballer who has scored just as many goals, also won CL’s and has unrivalled dribbling, play making, technique, all in one.

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[Gargantuan]

Messi has made more chances, his teammates just don’t finish

Besides, most of Ronaldo’s assists are 1 yard passes or mis hits

Messi can create chances out OF NOTHING to change games, Ronaldo could never dream of some passes Messi does

Messi is just a better footballer all around, it’s just Ronaldo has been really efficient when given chances cause of his finishing ability especially in important moments, plus teammates also stepping up (Eder, benzema, casemiro, van de sar, di maria) but overall Messi is just better A better footballer who has scored just as many goals, also won CL’s and has unrivalled dribbling, play making, technique, all in one.

So why does Messi not step up himself, instead of creating for others, if they're not gonna finish those chances anyway? Well, he did try that, but he failed when he was 1v1 against Neuer in the WC final, which was also the biggest game of his career.

Ronaldo literally motivated Eder to score:

Eder: Ronaldo told me I would score the winner

The striker has revealed his captain had inspired him, whilst also predicting that he would get the winner to give Portugal the title.

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Messi in the CL: Hardly played in 2006, doesn't count.
Heavily helped by corrupt refs in both 2009 and 2011.

Hasn't proven himself for Argentina, and only in Spain.
Ronaldo has proven himself in England, Italy, Spain as well for Portugal.

You can talk about Messi supposedly being the 'better footballer', which is subjective anyway, but the statistics point out that Ronaldo is better.

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Well now there is many (Ruben Dias, Bruno fernandes, etc) but before then I can't think of a single player but as a whole the team functioned better as whole tactically than Argentina did.

Choose the best player for every position, and you'll end up not with a strong 11, but with 11 strong 1's.

bro messi always played with far better team quality and never menaged to lead them to success half as often as ronaldo did with a much weaker team

 

[Deleted member 2403]

nah messi clearly mogs in that regard but ogre said he never seen ronaldo playmake jfl

He isn’t considered a playmaker even tho he’s made some insane passes before. At Man Utd he Dribbled and crossed and made some through balls when close to goal but didn’t create chances out of nothing like Messi does frequently

 

[Deleted member 5189]

messi main quality besides scoring which both him and cr7 have is dribbling right?messi has been mogged already in dribbles success % by the likes of fellow moroccan boufal

Proof?

Also would boufal be able to dribble past world class players in the CL?

 

[Deleted member 4696]

He isn’t considered a playmaker even tho he’s made some insane passes before. At Man Utd he Dribbled and crossed and made some through balls when close to goal but didn’t create chances out of nothing like Messi does frequently

yeah bro messi mogs him in playmaking everyone can see that but i still think if i had to pick one to have on my team i would pick cr7 simply cause he is so versatile and can basically do everything

 

[Gargantuan]

Messi bring way more than goals and assist, just is presence put a big pressure on the opposition and they have to make adjustments to keep him from getting the ball anywhere on the pitch as much as possible during the whole game this give other players of his team a lot of freedom and create opportunities for them. You will tell me cr7 too but no when cr7 isnt close to the goal he isnt as much of a threat as messi.

Yet he makes the difference more often Messi. Putting pressure on the opposition hasn't done anything whenever he's playing for Argentina.

 

[Deleted member 5189]

bro messi always played with far better team quality and never menaged to lead them to success half as often as ronaldo did with a much weaker team

FAR better team? I disagree.

But also football isn't always about individual talent it's about how a team plays together.

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Proof?

Also would boufal be able to dribble past world class players in the CL?

Who is the best dribbler in LaLiga Santander?

It's not easy to beat Lionel Messi when it comes to football-related statistics, but Celta Vigo winger Sofiane Boufal leads the Argentine in the...

www.marca.com

 

[Deleted member 4696]

FAR better team? I disagree.

But also football isn't always about individual talent it's about how a team plays together.

everyone knows that but clearly if you have better team quality you have a much higher chance of achieving that,and ronaldo makes every team he goes to work,before he came to juve the team was a complete mess.this is seen all throught his career

 

[Deleted member 11053]

Yet he makes the difference more often Messi. Putting pressure on the opposition hasn't done anything whenever he's playing for Argentina.

That's cause Argentina his a bad team that rely too much on messi and don't know what to do when messi doesn't touch the ball

 

[Deleted member 5189]

Who is the best dribbler in LaLiga Santander?

It's not easy to beat Lionel Messi when it comes to football-related statistics, but Celta Vigo winger Sofiane Boufal leads the Argentine in the...

www.marca.com

And he only got 2 goals in that season have you seen him play? Does he dribble with purpose? Does he actually dribble past a defender in a tight scenario or just kick the ball past them? Genuinely asking cuz I haven't seen him play. Also this was in just 1 season.

 

[Deleted member 4696]

And he only got 2 goals in that season have you seen him play? Does he dribble with purpose? Does he actually dribble past a defender in a tight scenario or just kick the ball past them? Genuinely asking cuz I haven't seen him play. Also this was in just 1 season.

ofc i seen him play and yes ofc he isnt a good finisher or anything(mogs defenders to the ground tho) i was just pointing out that some players mog him in his best qualities(excluding qualities both have like goal scoring machines) when no one EVER mogged cr7 in his qualities.to answer your question yes he dribbles very well and in high iq occassions creating alot of opportunities too

 

[Deleted member 2403]

So why does Messi not step up himself, instead of creating for others, if they're not gonna finish those chances anyway? Well, he did try that, but he failed when he was 1v1 against Neuer in the WC final, which was also the biggest game of this career.

Ronaldo literally motivated Eder to score:

Eder: Ronaldo told me I would score the winner

The striker has revealed his captain had inspired him, whilst also predicting that he would get the winner to give Portugal the title.

www.besoccer.com

Messi in the CL: Hardly played in 2006, doesn't count.
Heavily helped by corrupt refs in both 2009 and 2011.

Hasn't proven himself for Argentina, and only in Spain.
Ronaldo has proven himself in England, Italy, Spain as well for Portugal.

You can talk about Messi supposedly being the 'better footballer', which is subjective anyway, but the statistics point out that Ronaldo is better.

2007-08 Chokes massive penalty but gets bailed out by Van Der Sar

2013-14 Di Maria has final of his life and Ronaldo does nothing except the pointless penalty

2015-16 Easiest route to final ever

2016-17 champions league, 3 offside goals against Bayern Munich

Lots of things went his way just like with Messi and those dodgy refs

Plus, in all the champions leagues he won, he heavily contributed anyway like 2008-09 final, 2010-11 final, 2014-15 final, plus all the other games too

Only recently did Ronaldo do something but he had a far better team than Messi’s, and a easier Task (just score goals whereas Messi had to do everything)

RoNaldo with a combination of luck and good teammates and a team that tries it’s hardest to help him score (Messi‘s teams never did that after like 2013), has looked better statistics wise In the champions league

But Overall as a player, Messi is better cause of his ability and goals and assists, plus he has also won things, the euros which many choose as why Ronaldo is better, could’ve easily gone another way just like the World Cup final, Eder couldve missed, Higuain could’ve scored ,Ronaldo didn’t single handedly win it.

all pundits agree Messi is better and they played the game themselves

 

[Deleted member 11053]

ofc i seen him play and yes ofc he isnt a good finisher or anything(mogs defenders to the ground tho) i was just pointing out that some players mog him in his best qualities(excluding qualities both have like goal scoring machines) when no one EVER mogged cr7 in his qualities

Messi got the record of most goals scored in a year and goal scoring his supposed to be cr7 specialties

 

[Gargantuan]

That's cause Argentina his a bad team that rely too much on messi and don't know what to do when messi doesn't touch the ball

Sounds like an excuse tbh. He's has featured in major tournaments for Argentina since 2006 and in all those years, no one figured out what to do when Messi doesn't touch the ball??

That might have been the case in SOME tournaments, but to suggest that this is always the case, is a baseless claim.

 

[Deleted member 5189]

everyone knows that but clearly if you have better team quality you have a much higher chance of achieving that,and ronaldo makes every team he goes to work,before he came to juve the team was a complete mess.this is seen all throught his career

Juve was a mess b4 Ronaldo? They got to 2 cl finals and were winning serie a every season and now they're 7 points behind 1st.

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Messi got the record of most goals scored in a year and goal scoring his supposed to be cr7 specialties

no its not goal scoring is not reserved to cr7 both him and messi mog everyone to self awereness in that regard,but now find me anyone who mogs ronaldo in aerial game,and long range shooting/power

 

[Deleted member 5189]

no its not goal scoring is not reserved to cr7 both him and messi mog everyone to self awereness in that regard,but now find me anyone who mogs ronaldo in aerial game,and long range shooting/power

Ye u can't deny ronaldo is the best header of all time and he's definitely one of the best long shot shooters if not the best

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Juve was a mess b4 Ronaldo? They got to 2 cl finals and were winning serie a every season and now they're 7 points behind 1st.

was exageratting ofc(you are right) but he improved the team without a doubt, people were concerned that juve was relying too much on him including the press and whatnot

 

[Deleted member 5189]

Sounds like an excuse tbh. He's has featured in major tournaments for Argentina since 2006 and in all those years, no one figured out what to do when Messi doesn't touch the ball??

That might have been the case in SOME tournaments, but to suggest that this is always the case, is a baseless claim.

Cuz the players and managers in the team changes overtime

 

[Deleted member 11053]

Sounds like an excuse tbh. He's has featured in major tournaments for Argentina since 2006 and in all those years, no one figured out what to do when Messi doesn't touch the ball??

That might have been the case in SOME tournaments, but to suggest that this is always the case, is a baseless claim.

He also has been very unlucky tbh cause even when he reached finals he always fell short

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Ye u can't deny ronaldo is the best header of all time and he's definitely one of the best long shot shooters if not the best

i cant think of anyone ever not just now that mogs in those departements

 

[Deleted member 5189]

i cant think of anyone ever not just now that mogs in those departements

Maybe lampard?

 

[Deleted member 2403]

Messi got the record of most goals scored in a year and goal scoring his supposed to be cr7 specialties

If Messi played same role as cr7 (just scoring), then he would have even more goals than he already has

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Maybe lampard?

definetly a nice pick in long range shooting alongside hulk and maybe paul pogba imo but in aerial duels no one ever mogs him

 

[Gargantuan]

2007-08 Chokes massive penalty but gets bailed out by Van Der Sar

2013-14 Di Maria has final of his life and Ronaldo does nothing except the pointless penalty

2015-16 Easiest route to final ever

2016-17 champions league, 3 offside goals against Bayern Munich

Lots of things went his way just like with Messi and those dodgy refs

Plus, in all the champions leagues he won, he heavily contributed anyway like 2008-09 final, 2010-11 final, 2014-15 final, plus all the other games too

Only recently did Ronaldo do something but he had a far better team than Messi’s, and a easier Task (just score goals whereas Messi had to do everything)

RoNaldo with a combination of luck and good teammates and a team that tries it’s hardest to help him score (Messi‘s teams never did that after like 2013), has looked better statistics wise In the champions league

But Overall as a player, Messi is better cause of his ability and goals and assists, plus he has also won things, the euros which many choose as why Ronaldo is better, could’ve easily gone another way just like the World Cup final, Ronaldo didn’t single handedly win it.

all pundits agree Messi is better and they played the game themselves

07-08 scored in the final. Also, rewatch that 2nd leg semi-final of United-Barcelona, where Scholes scored the winning goal.
Messi cost Barcelona that game by not marking him for that goal.

13-14 record-breaker in the CL, scoring the most goals in a season, at the time. Including 2 goals against Bayern in the semi-final.

15-16 would have gotten knocked out against WOLFSBURG, if it hasn't for Ronaldo's hattrick in the 2nd leg.

16-17 Bayern were also incorrectly given a penalty that game. Deduct those 2 goals, and Real Madrid still go through.

And no, Ronaldo has better stats in the CL, as I pointed out before:

Most goals
Most wins
Most titles
Most assists
Most finals scored in
Most goals in a season
Most seasons as top scorer
Most consecutive games with a goal

 

[Deleted member 11053]

If Messi played same role as cr7 (just scoring), then he would have even more goals than he already has

That actually the role he played if i remember correctly the year he had that record.

 

[Deleted member 11053]

Fuck i was way better at defending messi before

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Fuck i was way better at defending messi before

tbh even if im a cr7 simp im just glad both these insane moggers played in the same era,never in history the same 2 player fought back to back for the top for this long, 2 of the top 5 best players ever are in the same era which luckily is ours,if they were in different eras(both of them with their timeline) they would mog the competition to suicide

 

[Deleted member 11053]

tbh even if im a cr7 simp im just glad both these insane moggers played in the same era,never in history the same 2 player fought back to back for the top for this long, 2 of the top 5 best players ever are in the same era which luckily is ours,if they were in different eras(both of them with their timeline) they would mog the competition to suicide

True now they are going to retire dembele will succeed

 

[Deleted member 4696]

True now they are going to retire dembele will succeed

yeah mbappe,dembele,many good names but i highly doubt any of them will mog ronaldo or messi tbh

 

[Deleted member 2130]

Nobody would say his name, because he was a defender, but Alessandro Nesta should be mentioned among the greatest footballers of all time. Maybe not top 5 but definitely top 10.

 

[Deleted member 4696]

Nobody would say his name, because he was a defender, but Alessandro Nesta should be mentioned among the greatest footballers of all time. Maybe not top 5 but definitely top 10.

indeed, too bad goalkeepers and defenders are so slept on

 

[Deleted member 2403]

07-08 scored in the final. Also, rewatch that 2nd leg semi-final of United-Barcelona, where Scholes scored the winning goal.
Messi cost Barcelona that game by not marking him for that goal.

13-14 record-breaker in the CL, scoring the most goals in a season, at the time. Including 2 goals against Bayern in the semi-final.

15-16 would have gotten knocked out against WOLFSBURG, if it hasn't for Ronaldo's hattrick in the 2nd leg.

16-17 Bayern were also incorrectly given a penalty that game. Deduct those 2 goals, and Real Madrid still go through.

And no, Ronaldo has better stats in the CL, as I pointed out before:

Most goals
Most wins
Most titles
Most assists
Most finals scored in
Most goals in a season
Most seasons as top scorer
Most consecutive games with a goal

Even tho refs helped them, Messi still contributed. Top scorer 6 times in CL, just 1 behind Ronaldo. Every time they won CL, he was their best player (except 2006-07). He also only has 1 more CL than Messi’s. Stats wise RoNaldo does mog but as I said, team set up so he could score as many as possible, be the main man. Messi has a different role so cant just stick himself up front and score like RoNaldo does.

Messi won more La Liga’s when they played, plus more top scorers in La Liga (more games in a season than CL). Plus 91 goals in a season when he actually played Ronaldo’s role (Ronaldo has never got close). Who knows how many goals he would’ve scored if he played that role his whole career like Ronaldo has, especially in CL.

Messi has better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo in career besides playing deeper and less goal based role. Many more assists too despite fewer games, so overall more goal contributions per game.

Only thing Ronaldo has on Messi is champions league which is big but Messi has been better over his whole career, not just in a few knockout games.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Pele may be overated but he is not below Cruyff and Maradona, he is a solid top3 only below Ronaldo and Messi

Ofc he played on a time when football wasnt very professional, but 3 world cups is not something to ignore

 

[Deleted member 2403]

Can’t argue this shit anymore I’m so tired

im Messi till I die and I’ll never stop

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Even tho refs helped them, Messi still contributed. Top scorer 6 times in CL, just 1 behind Ronaldo. Every time they won CL, he was their best player. He also only has 1 more CL than Messi’s. Stats wise RoNaldo does mog but as I said, team set up so he could score as many as possible, be the main man. Messi has a different role so cant just stick himself up front and score like RoNaldo does.

Messi won more La Liga’s when they played, plus more top scorers in La Liga (more games in a season than CL). Plus 91 goals in a season when he actually played Ronaldo’s role (Ronaldo has never got close). Who knows how many goals he would’ve scored if he played that role his whole career like Ronaldo has, especially in CL.

Messi has better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo in career besides playing deeper and less goal based role. Many more assists too despite fewer games, so overall more goal contributions per game.

Only thing Ronaldo has on Messi is champions league which is big but Messi has been better over his whole career, not just in a few knockout games.

Madrid's Ronaldo has a better goal to game ratio than Messi on Barça
Messi mogs Ronaldo in some stats due to the fact that Ronaldo took some time to become a real goalscorer and also to have a really good team around him

 

[Deleted member 11053]

Even tho refs helped them, Messi still contributed. Top scorer 6 times in CL, just 1 behind Ronaldo. Every time they won CL, he was their best player (except 2006-07). He also only has 1 more CL than Messi’s. Stats wise RoNaldo does mog but as I said, team set up so he could score as many as possible, be the main man. Messi has a different role so cant just stick himself up front and score like RoNaldo does.

Messi won more La Liga’s when they played, plus more top scorers in La Liga (more games in a season than CL). Plus 91 goals in a season when he actually played Ronaldo’s role (Ronaldo has never got close). Who knows how many goals he would’ve scored if he played that role his whole career like Ronaldo has, especially in CL.

Messi has better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo in career besides playing deeper and less goal based role. Many more assists too despite fewer games, so overall more goal contributions per game.

Only thing Ronaldo has on Messi is champions league which is big but Messi has been better over his whole career, not just in a few knockout games.

Thanks you did what i didn't have the power to do anymore

 

[Deleted member 2403]

Madrid's Ronaldo has a better goal to game ratio than Messi on Barça
Messi mogs Ronaldo in some stats due to the fact that Ronaldo took some time to become a real goalscorer and also to have a really good team around him

Slightly better goal to game ratio while at Real Madrid but Messi made MANY more assists so still more goal contributions per game

Plus you could say same about Messi, after like 2013 and before 2009, he wasn’t a real goal scorer as well, yet he still has more goal contributions per game when playing a less goal based role than Ronaldo for the last decade.

During Ronaldo’s career apart from a small amount of games at Sporting, he always had the best team in the league (In la Liga he had 2nd best team but still LIGHTYEARS in front of everyone else).

 

[Deleted member 2403]

Thanks you did what i didn't have the power to do anymore

Messi is the man. Ronaldo comes close, way closer than anyone in history, but Messi is always the best of all time. No one will see anyone like him again. It’s a privilege to see them both play, but Messi especially his peak was nothing you’ll ever see again.

 

[Deleted member 4696]

but Messi is always the best of all time

 

[Deleted member 11053]

 

[Deleted member 4696]

keep coping boyo,skillful as fuck. mogs defenders to confusion with his tricks.swag mogs messi to the boredom kingdom

 

[AscendingHero]

For me, the best ever.

100 percent agree. You are now my favorite user

 

[Pietrosiek]

Cristiano mogaldo, lionel manletssi, ziadine headbuttane

 

[tren_31]

Ronaldo has literally more CL and International assists than Messi, jfl.

Muh Higuain was shit. Let me guess, Tevez, Di Maria, Riquelme, Mascherano, Zanetti, Crespo, Zabaletta, Cambiasso and co. were all shit as well? Excuses.

Imagine thinking Ronaldo would miss here Literally worse than Higuain ever did.

Well this scene irrelevant Today

 

[alpha_provider]

Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Riquelme, Quaresma, Rivaldo