topical vs oral minoxidil

[echikor]

which one is better

 

[Deleted member 91663]

which one is better

Depends on your hair loss pattern.
Generally, they have similar efficacy but oral is systemic meaning that your body hair growth is also stimulated - not just scalp hair.

 

[Sceriff06]

Depends on your hair loss pattern.
Generally, they have similar efficacy but oral is systemic meaning that your body hair growth is also stimulated - not just scalp hair.

Topical lotion should have fewer side effects.

 

[Hernan]

oral.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Topical lotion should have fewer side effects.

Yes there are potential cardiac risks from oral minoxidl, such as a hypotension but the the likelihood of this is low on a small dosage.

 

[Joshrc]

i fucking regret stopping minox last year i wouldve gotten mogger lashes by now

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Depends.

If it's for brows and lashes, topical.

If for scalp then oral would be more effective, but would still try topical before oral. But if it's for scalp, 5ARi before you do anything else.

 

[echikor]

Depends on your hair loss pattern.
Generally, they have similar efficacy but oral is systemic meaning that your body hair growth is also stimulated - not just scalp hair.

i want the hair on my scalp brows and lashes to grow so instead of using topical minoxidil and an eyelash serum i can only use oral minoxidil and ill get the results i want?

 

[echikor]

Depends.

If it's for brows and lashes, topical.

If for scalp then oral would be more effective, but would still try topical before oral. But if it's for scalp, 5ARi before you do anything else.

I'm still in puberty so i don't wanna use fin or dut now and isn't using minoxidil near eyes risky and dangerous? shouldn't oral grow the eyebrows and lashes?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

I'm still in puberty so i don't wanna use fin or dut now and isn't using minoxidil near eyes risky and dangerous? shouldn't oral grow the eyebrows and lashes?

Yes oral grows everything.

You wouldn’t apply topical to your lashes. You would apply to your brows, and lashes would grow as well.

 

[echikor]

Yes oral grows everything.

You wouldn’t apply topical to your lashes. You would apply to your brows, and lashes would grow as well.

ig ill just use oral

 

[Deleted member 91663]

i want the hair on my scalp brows and lashes to grow so instead of using topical minoxidil and an eyelash serum i can only use oral minoxidil and ill get the results i want?

Technically oral would be better for this purpose but there are certain cardiac risks involved with oral.
It was originally meant as a medication to treat high blood pressure.

Even in small dosages, there's risk of hypotension where your blood pressure becomes abnormally low, making you more liable to diziness and fainting.

I don't think it's right for me to recomend serious drugs here. I'd do some rigorous research before using it.

 

[echikor]

Technically oral would be better for this purpose but there are certain cardiac risks involved with oral.
It was originally meant as a medication to treat high blood pressure.

Even in small dosages, there's risk of hypotension where your blood pressure becomes abnormally low, making you more liable to diziness and fainting.

I don't think it's right for me to recomend serious drugs here. I'd do some rigorous research before using it.

these risks are really rare at low dose

 

[Deleted member 91663]

these risks are really at low dose

I know. I just felt it would be wrong for me not to at least mention risks before recommending it.

 

[echikor]

You might bloat like a ballon.

everything makes u bloated did u take it before? and what do u recommend
topical and maybe a lash serum or just oral?

 

[echikor]

I know. I just felt it would be wrong for me not to at least mention risks before recommending it.

obviously u have to do more research on any drugs ur planing to take thank u bro

 

[Deleted member 91663]

obviously u have to do more research on any drugs ur planing to take thank u bro

No worries.
Unfortunately, it's not obvious to many users here. They act first and think later.

 

[echikor]

Rep posts blud.

Yes, I took for ~2 years, I don’t use anymore.

I recommend this:

did the hair fall? and are u sure they will grow too?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

did the hair fall? and are u sure they will grow too?

Scalp hair will shed after you stop on oral. Eyebrow hairs and eyelashes shed then regrew better than before I used minox.

Yes 100% they’ll grow. Results are person dependent.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Rep posts blud.

Yes, I took for ~2 years, I don’t use anymore.

I recommend this:

You were on oral minox as a teenager?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Back in the day, yes.

Did you get hair growth all over your body?
Any cardiac symptoms?

 

[Evgeniy291]

Depends.

If it's for brows and lashes, topical.

If for scalp then oral would be more effective, but would still try topical before oral. But if it's for scalp, 5ARi before you do anything else.

topical for lashes?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Yes


None

Out of interest, why did you stop and what happened to the body hair growth after you discontinued meds?

 

[Evgeniy291]

Don't do oral btw bloatmaxx

 

[echikor]

Scalp hair will shed after you stop on oral. Eyebrow hairs and eyelashes shed then regrew better than before I used minox.

Yes 100% they’ll grow. Results are person dependent.

read that it's not rare that they will regrow better

 

[jbwhtninthailand]

which one is better

Ngl when i stopped using oral all my Eyebrow and lashes gains went.

 

[echikor]

Don't do oral btw bloatmaxx

what should i use then? using topical for brows and hair and an eyelash serum everyday costs more than just taking oral

 

[echikor]

Ngl when i stopped using oral all my Eyebrow and lashes gains went.

yeah it's rare that they will grow better so what do u recommend oral or topical + a lash serum?

 

[echikor]

Yes, apply to brows and your lashes will grow also.


Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium. I stopped because being a balloon is obviously a looksmin.

Had a lot of hair on minox, I am off minox now but nuke DHT with 2.5mg dutasteride so can’t comment on body hair growth since that could effect it. It’s seemingly less hair than I remember.

is the bloat that bad?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Had a lot of hair on minox, I am off minox now but nuke DHT with 2.5mg dutasteride so can’t comment on body hair growth since that could effect it. It’s seemingly less hair than I remember.

Wow. 2.5mg. For a year that costs like 1000K+.
Are you taking five 0.5mg tablets a day?

 

[echikor]

It’s not worth it.

so topical is better then? and doesn't bloat?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

so topical is better then? and doesn't bloat?

That’s what i’ve been saying bro. You are not going to bloat from applying it to your eyebrows most likely.

Just be careful with application since the alcohol can dry your skin out.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

China.

Do you get 2.5 mg tablets then?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Doesn’t exist. I buy raw powder.

Oh, so you apply a concentrated topical solution.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Doesn’t exist. I buy raw powder.

The most effective hair loss prevention protocol will combine 2.5mg avodart with a topcial anti androgen like RU.

 

[echikor]

That’s what i’ve been saying bro. You are not going to bloat from applying it to your eyebrows most likely.

Just be careful with application since the alcohol can dry your skin out.

alright but i read that bloating isn't a common problem at low dose

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Yes, 2.5mg Dutasteride as well as 50mg ru58841 is what I use daily.

Wow. You're not taking any prisoners then. Do you have aggressive alopecia or are you just being super pro-active?

 

[echikor]

No. Topical Dutasteride is literally snake oil.

The 500 Dalton rule for the skin penetration of chemical compounds and drugs - PubMed

Human skin has unique properties of which functioning as a physicochemical barrier is one of the most apparent. The human integument is able to resist the penetration of many molecules. However, especially smaller molecules can surpass transcutaneously. They are able to go by the corneal layer...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The 500 dalton rule is referring to the molecular weight of a compound and how hard it is to penetrate the skin. If a compound has a molecular weight over 500 daltons that means it cannot penetrate the skin. Dutasteride has a dalton rating of 528 so can’t even penetrate the skin, at least without devices that make penetration easier. So theoretically if you microneedle and it penetrates the skin, it may make topical duta more effective, but increase the systemic absorption. So if it’s gonna go systemic you may as well just use oral Dutasteride. As well as the idea of topical Duta working through micro needling is also just completely theoretical, it may not do shit.

I take the 2.5mg of the powder orally.


Yes, 2.5mg Dutasteride as well as 50mg ru58841 is what I use daily.


With oral? Yeah that’s cope.

what dose did u take?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Had ground to recover since I raped my hairline with AAS usage. None of the follicles were fully gone, just miniaturised, so removing any androgens at the scalp was all I needed to recover them. Now I just permablast Duta and RU.

What's your recovery been like?
Do you use a growth stimulant as well?

 

[andy9432]

Oral is much better. Im using 2.5mg with almost no sides, just fast heartbeats for the first hour or so. No bloating. Ive been on 5mg but the sides were not worth it

 

[Deleted member 91663]

No growth stimulant. Not needed since the hairs were there, just the follicle was miniaturized. I recovered all the hairs that miniaturized and the vellus hairs turned terminal quickly after the introduction of RU.

I'm currently on avodart 0.5 mg and considering a similar stack so this has been very informative to me.
Just a couple more questions then I'll leave you alone for a while!

Do you dissolve avodart powder in a particular solvent before intake or just water.
How regularly do you apply RU and what is the concentration?

 

[echikor]

Oral is much better. Im using 2.5mg with almost no sides, just fast heartbeats for the first hour or so. No bloating. Ive been on 5mg but the sides were not worth it

no bloating? how much have u been using it for and did ur brows and lashes and beard grow too?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

No problem, I’m just rotting while I leanmax after my bulk JFL.


Avodart is the branded form of generic Dutasteride. Are you asking how I consume the Dut powder?

Yes. I'm asking do you dissolve the avodart in water let's say?

Most drugs are fat soluble so I try my best to have it with a meal, Avodart doesn’t need to be consumed with anything since it already had fat with it.

I'm not 100% clear on what you're saying here. Do you sprinkle it on your food?

I apply 50mg of RU daily in a solution of Propylene Glycol and Ethanol 190 proof. 5% solution.

Okay but how much solution. I was really asking about the concentration, which is RU in mg divided by volume of solvent.

 

[skullmog]

which one is better

topical

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Yes. I'm asking do you dissolve the avodart in water let's say?

Avodart only comes in pills bro. You can’t buy Avodart from china. Avodart is a brand of Dutasteride. It is “0.5 mg of dutasteride dissolved in a mixture of mono-di-glycerides of caprylic/capric acid and butylated hydroxytoluene”

You buy generic Dutasteride from China. It only contains Dutasteride. Nothing else. The way I measure it is using the volumetric+vodka method.

Thread 'How to microdose finasteride with volumetric liquid dosing (it's very easy)'
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to...lumetric-liquid-dosing-its-very-easy.1117546/

I'm not 100% clear on what you're saying here.

What I am saying is drugs are usually fat soluble. Which means you need to eat fat with it for maximum absorption. Since I use generic dutasteride, I have it with my meal which has fat in it for better absorption. With Avodart pills, the pill already contains fat in it so you don’t need to worry about that

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Avodart only comes in pills bro. You can’t buy Avodart from china. Avodart is a brand of Dutasteride. It is “0.5 mg of dutasteride dissolved in a mixture of mono-di-glycerides of caprylic/capric acid and butylated hydroxytoluene”

I know. I was using the term avodart loosely in the way that propecia is used for finasteride.

You buy generic Dutasteride from China. It only contains Dutasteride. Nothing else. The way I measure it is using the volumetric+vodka method.

Yes, powder!

Thread 'How to microdose finasteride with volumetric liquid dosing (it's very easy)'
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to...lumetric-liquid-dosing-its-very-easy.1117546/

Great. I'll take a look at this.

What I am saying is drugs are usually fat soluble. Which means you need to eat fat with it for maximum absorption. Since I use generic dutasteride, I have it with my meal which has fat in it for better absorption. With Avodart pills, the pill already contains fat in it so you don’t need to worry about that

Okay. Thanks for the info dump. I rarely learn anything from this place so it's nice to not be on the teaching end for once.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Avodart only comes in pills bro. You can’t buy Avodart from china. Avodart is a brand of Dutasteride. It is “0.5 mg of dutasteride dissolved in a mixture of mono-di-glycerides of caprylic/capric acid and butylated hydroxytoluene”

You buy generic Dutasteride from China. It only contains Dutasteride. Nothing else. The way I measure it is using the volumetric+vodka method.

Thread 'How to microdose finasteride with volumetric liquid dosing (it's very easy)'
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to...lumetric-liquid-dosing-its-very-easy.1117546/


What I am saying is drugs are usually fat soluble. Which means you need to eat fat with it for maximum absorption. Since I use generic dutasteride, I have it with my meal which has fat in it for better absorption. With Avodart pills, the pill already contains fat in it so you don’t need to worry about that

This has been super useful.

I'll probably just use avodart 2.5 mg twice a week to reach similar levels of scalp DHT suppression then make up my own RU solution to deal with residual androgens in the scalp.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

I want to be proactive.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

I’m glad.


What are you dealing with? Need regrowth? Just maintaining? Don’t want to rape hair with AAS?

Reason I do 2.5mg every day is with 0.5mg, scalp DHT is reduced by ~50% where as on 2.5mg it’s reduced by ~80% with only a 4% change in serum DHT levels, which is negligible (92% vs 96%). And then the RU takes care or the residual androgens as you said. It’s worth it if you can afford it, especially if you’re looking for regrowth.

Last thing, can you tell me your source for powdered dutasteride?
DM me if you don't want to share publicly.

 

[iblamemygenes]

That’s what i’ve been saying bro. You are not going to bloat from applying it to your eyebrows most likely.

Just be careful with application since the alcohol can dry your skin out.

U mentioned ur lashes will grow from applying to brows, how? I take 2.5 mg a day do u think the bloat isn’t worth it?