Truly long midface, long face is their a surgery that can fix it

[Rinto_2131]

For every flaw their seems to be a surgery that will fix it from minor fillers, implants , a rhino even stuff like obo theirs fixes with surgery but for a long midface it truly feels over the only apparent fix for it is ccw rotation which if you have an actual long midface does not change that much your still going to have that long midface look that just feels off, long midface ruins a face so much and trimax is the only thing that tries to reduce it and moght slightly but not to people who have it severe enough

Might have just not found enough or done enough of my own research for this but is their a surgery that actually fixes severe long midface and long face look , from the area right below your eyes to the top of your top lip im talking avout that area being long enough where it throws my faces harmony off is their a surgery that fixes it if so can someone let me know so i can fix this. Thats all ty

 

[Rinto_2131]

If theirs no fix to this just lmk with a quick no, i dont mind any way i just want to fix long midface flaw open to any kind of surgery or hardmax

 

[Lookologist003]

Only maxillary surgery. It has to be so, because long midfaces are caused by misshapen and elongated maxillas. The surgery must reshape and compact the maxilla. Unfortunately it's very limited.

I have the thought that even if it were possible to compact a maxilla from horse to human, then how does the soft tissue drape adapt? Tissue grows with directional force, but it does not shrink. Once obese people have loose skin. I think the same would happen if the maxilla could shrink. Perhaps it wouldn't be so drastic.

the only apparent fix for it is ccw rotation

There's a similar maxillary surgery in the literature called horseshoe osteotomy, where no rotation happens, so long maxillas with good occlusal plane can be shrunk a little. But It's not maxillary surgery, because the bite will be altered; it's always a type of bimax. If you search, do not get your hopes up, because it's as limited as rotation.

(By the way, I don't know if the surgeon's who described horseshoe osteotomy, what a coincidence that surgery that addresses a horse face has that name. Almost like the surgeons were trolling )

 

[Marelago]

FME palate expander will widen your midface without the hassle and complications trimax can cause (nerve damage), uncanny look. FME done properly will widen your upper teeths resulting in better lip projection and also widen your cheeks. Gained forward projection is around 3-5mm..

 

[Rinto_2131]

Only maxillary surgery. It has to be so, because long midfaces are caused by misshapen and elongated maxillas. The surgery must reshape and compact the maxilla. Unfortunately it's very limited.

I have the thought that even if it were possible to compact a maxilla from horse to human, then how does the soft tissue drape adapt? Tissue grows with directional force, but it does not shrink. Once obese people have loose skin. I think the same would happen if the maxilla could shrink. Perhaps it wouldn't be so drastic.


There's a similar maxillary surgery in the literature called horseshoe osteotomy, where no rotation happens, so long maxillas with good occlusal plane can be shrunk a little. But It's not maxillary surgery, because the bite will be altered; it's always a type of bimax. If you search, do not get your hopes up, because it's as limited as rotation.

(By the way, I don't know if the surgeon's who described horseshoe osteotomy, what a coincidence that surgery that addresses a horse face has that name. Almost like the surgeons were trolling )

So the only surgery that could make the midface shorter if it’s severely long is a surgery that has small results and isnt regularly done or performed? Im getting trimax soon anyways for functional reasons technically djs plan to add genio too , but anyways will this help with the long midface at all with them moving the maxilla forward and genioplasty adding more weight to the lower third, harmony is been thrown off cause the midface is too long where its what you see first, even if you have a good features and bone structure the long midface disrupts it all by giving you that horselook and offputting ashame theirs no real fix for this

 

[Rinto_2131]

FME palate expander will widen your midface without the hassle and complications trimax can cause (nerve damage), uncanny look. FME done properly will widen your upper teeths resulting in better lip projection and also widen your cheeks. Gained forward projection is around 3-5m

for a severe case of a long midface where it takes up most of the face and is the main reason for very unbalanced facial thirds would the FME palate expander still aesthetically help? Also getting the palate expander alongside with trimax how much can i expect that to help realistically since im already opted in for one of them

 

[zemult]

FME palate expander will widen your midface without the hassle and complications trimax can cause (nerve damage), uncanny look. FME done properly will widen your upper teeths resulting in better lip projection and also widen your cheeks. Gained forward projection is around 3-5mm..

@lurking truecel thoughts

 

[Marelago]

@lurking truecel thoughs

Fuckoff you spastic subh.

 

[gasping]

For every flaw their seems to be a surgery that will fix it from minor fillers, implants , a rhino even stuff like obo theirs fixes with surgery but for a long midface it truly feels over the only apparent fix for it is ccw rotation which if you have an actual long midface does not change that much your still going to have that long midface look that just feels off, long midface ruins a face so much and trimax is the only thing that tries to reduce it and moght slightly but not to people who have it severe enough

Might have just not found enough or done enough of my own research for this but is their a surgery that actually fixes severe long midface and long face look , from the area right below your eyes to the top of your top lip im talking avout that area being long enough where it throws my faces harmony off is their a surgery that fixes it if so can someone let me know so i can fix this. Thats all ty

Can i see you or do u have d discord

 

[Rinto_2131]

Can i see you or do u have d discord

Sure im on discord diablo.177

 

[Lookologist003]

but anyways will this help with the long midface at all with them moving the maxilla forward

I've seen a technique where, in the Frankfurt, the Lefort I can be freed diagonally and slid forward on that line to shorten the midface a little. If your surgeon can do that in your bimax, you could get forward grown jaws and a midface that is compacted marginally. If they do not cut with that angle, the midface will be unchanged.

ashame theirs no real fix for this

Not in our lifetimes. It's those damn nerves and blood supply which make it so limited. Well, that and the fact that a long maxilla drags the jaw and ramus down along with it. Actually reshaping the center of the face is a very difficult task and one that is complex. That's without mentioning the size of the nasal cavity. There's just so many limits. Its much easier if your maxilla has the right shape but it and the lower jaw are just a bit too tiny, cuz surgeons can just bring them forward, which surgeons are getting more and more practice at doing, so it's perfected.

I tend to think the worst falios in are
1. Long midface
2. Poor eye spacing
3. Poor facial depth

...Men can kind of get away with a long midface if they're super bony. Super bony. But long midfaces are some of the strongest failo you can have. I understand.

 

[NarrowBoneMarrow]

I tend to think the worst falios in are
1. Long midface
2. Poor eye spacing (only wide ipd, low ipd is mogger)
3. Poor facial depth

Facts

 

[0 bone mass]

Facts

 

[horsefacin]

Tissue grows with directional force, but it does not shrink.

This is something I rarely wanna think about. Just makes a hundred million what-ifs come to my mind about if I've been wasting time not getting impaction and CCW asap or yesteryear to avoid further stretching of soft tissue. Though, I suppose if it was limited to the philtrum and below, and the length of the nose was locked, it wouldn't be nearly as brutal? As the latter is truly unchangeable, but you could always go in for a lip lift I guess.

As for the OP's writing, every horsecel comes to this brutal realization at some point in their adolescence. I wish there wasn't so much misinformation when I was younger about the limitations of CCW and impaction. I really had bad episodes of mania and derealization from all the violent changes in hopefuel and ropefuel.

 

[horsefacin]

FME palate expander will widen your midface without the hassle and complications trimax can cause (nerve damage), uncanny look. FME done properly will widen your upper teeths resulting in better lip projection and also widen your cheeks. Gained forward projection is around 3-5mm..

The change is less than negligible for aesthetics, and even if it were able to increase width at the zygos that is not the cure. Its literally just about true midface length, and the comorbidity for horses is a shit eye spacing. You'll just worsen the problem and kirkify yourself if you try to go OD on zygo width with suboptimal eye spacings.

I've seen a technique where, in the Frankfurt, the Lefort I can be freed diagonally and slid forward on that line to shorten the midface a little. If your surgeon can do that in your bimax, you could get forward grown jaws and a midface that is compacted marginally. If they do not cut with that angle, the midface will be unchanged.

I wonder if this can be applied to custom LF2 and 3. A reputable surgeon told me that impaction like its done standard at the LF1 level is just not feasible for the LF2/3. But in a LF2ZR case (2+3 segmented independently, for better contour I guess, so a flat midface isn't just a flat midface repositioned more anteriorly like it would be LF3), the cuts seemed to be diagonal and she received slight CW. I hope it would be possible to bring that forward and upwards just like it was possible downwards.

 

[horsefacin]

Fuckoff you spastic subh.

No need to be an asshole. You're literally 50 bro, trying to give false hope to terminally ill kids on this site with this retarded expander meme that I already told you (and many others have spelled out) is just pure cope. Get off this site and go to ur job or something man

 

[Lookologist003]

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Oh shit @thecel
Oh shit! handsome Kirk!

 

[gasping]

Sure im on discord diablo.177

Added thanks

 

[Weed]

I have the thought that even if it were possible to compact a maxilla from horse to human, then how does the soft tissue drape adapt? Tissue grows with directional force, but it does not shrink. Once obese people have loose skin. I think the same would happen if the maxilla could shrink. Perhaps it wouldn't be so drastic.

Doesn't most of it goes towards improving upper lip like making it bigger and somewhat upturned and overall creating a better lip seal because it'd finally push against lower lip? It "shrinks" by rolling your upper lip upward like a lip lift.

Before/After impaction. Massive upper lip difference

 

[Animepilled]

I've seen a technique where, in the Frankfurt, the Lefort I can be freed diagonally and slid forward on that line to shorten the midface a little. If your surgeon can do that in your bimax, you could get forward grown jaws and a midface that is compacted marginally. If they do not cut with that angle, the midface will be unchanged.


Not in our lifetimes. It's those damn nerves and blood supply which make it so limited. Well, that and the fact that a long maxilla drags the jaw and ramus down along with it. Actually reshaping the center of the face is a very difficult task and one that is complex. That's without mentioning the size of the nasal cavity. There's just so many limits. Its much easier if your maxilla has the right shape but it and the lower jaw are just a bit too tiny, cuz surgeons can just bring them forward, which surgeons are getting more and more practice at doing, so it's perfected.

I tend to think the worst falios in are
1. Long midface
2. Poor eye spacing
3. Poor facial depth

...Men can kind of get away with a long midface if they're super bony. Super bony. But long midfaces are some of the strongest failo you can have. I understand.

poor eye spacing is way worse than a long midface lol. There are many things worse than a long midface. Take any mogger and morph their midface to be longer, still gonna mog. Make their eyes too close set/ jaw too narrow/philtrum too long/ norwood 3 and it's over

 

[Marelago]

The change is less than negligible for aesthetics, and even if it were able to increase width at the zygos that is not the cure. Its literally just about true midface length, and the comorbidity for horses is a shit eye spacing. You'll just worsen the problem and kirkify yourself if you try to go OD on zygo width with suboptimal eye spacings.

I wonder if this can be applied to custom LF2 and 3. A reputable surgeon told me that impaction like its done standard at the LF1 level is just not feasible for the LF2/3. But in a LF2ZR case (2+3 segmented independently, for better contour I guess, so a flat midface isn't just a flat midface repositioned more anteriorly like it would be LF3), the cuts seemed to be diagonal and she received slight CW. I hope it would be possible to bring that forward and upwards just like it was possible downwards.

Look most horse faced individuals have a narrow palate. Why not doing FME first avoiding a segmental le fort? Some times the retrognathic bite has exclusively to do with a camouflaged class 3 bite where the bite seems normal (class 1) but the lower jaw is pulled backwards 'cause of the upper teeths. Technically this allows the lower jaw come forward naturally without touching it surgically and withouth doing damage on the gonions after a proper FME expansion while widening the upper arch.
This will also provide a ccw rotation of the jaws 'cause FME will put the upper arch more up in contrast of MSE or Marpe where it's putted more down.
This FME expansion is only suitable in borderline cases where the bolton ratio is not in normal limits (lower upper teeths ratio) and the jaw curve is slightly recessed.

 

[HltnPSL]

For every flaw their seems to be a surgery that will fix it from minor fillers, implants , a rhino even stuff like obo theirs fixes with surgery but for a long midface it truly feels over the only apparent fix for it is ccw rotation which if you have an actual long midface does not change that much your still going to have that long midface look that just feels off, long midface ruins a face so much and trimax is the only thing that tries to reduce it and moght slightly but not to people who have it severe enough

Might have just not found enough or done enough of my own research for this but is their a surgery that actually fixes severe long midface and long face look , from the area right below your eyes to the top of your top lip im talking avout that area being long enough where it throws my faces harmony off is their a surgery that fixes it if so can someone let me know so i can fix this. Thats all ty

dnr

 

[lurking truecel]

Many things cant be fixed with surgery, thats reality

 

[GoyLite]

can you donate some to me, i have a short midface

 

[nishka]

lip lift can help

 

[narrowgonion._]

Many things cant be fixed with surgery, thats reality

Elaborate

 

[lurking truecel]

Ö

Elaborate

Common sense

 

[0 bone mass]

Ö

Common sense

No hope for horsecels?

 

[0 bone mass]

Ö

Common sense

Nigga help. I need you thoughts on lip support and midface shortening

 

[Acquiescence]

Cyclopses and horses - the unholy duopoly of unfixable

I would recommend coping as hard as possible while slaving for funds for more realistic procedures (which will never be enough but let’s not get too in the depression weeds now hahaha )

 

[Acquiescence]

Alternatively you can play bass in a successful 70s British prog rock band

 

[Lookologist003]

Doesn't most of it goes towards improving upper lip like making it bigger and somewhat upturned and overall creating a better lip seal because it'd finally push against lower lip? It "shrinks" by rolling your upper lip upward like a lip lift.

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Before/After impaction. Massive upper lip difference

That is an interesting notion. My post was speculation to be ignored.

But in a LF2ZR case

Can see with a link? Lefort II?

 

[fraudster#1]

guys like guirao or cameron can get away with ts bc they have a short philtrum and high dimo
but even compared to other psl gods, theirs skull still narrow and long

 

[0 bone mass]

Cyclopses and horses - the unholy duopoly of unfixable

I would recommend coping as hard as possible while slaving for funds for more realistic procedures (which will never be enough but let’s not get too in the depression weeds now hahaha )

you’re fr the saddest nigger on the forum

 

[0 bone mass]

@thecel drop some niche gatekept botb knowledge to help these niggers cope

 

[Eian(sub 5)]

Make face wider with expander to balance out

 

[Acquiescence]

you’re fr the saddest nigger on the forum

I haven’t roped yet buddy I can’t claim that title

 

[0 bone mass]

I haven’t roped yet buddy I can’t claim that title

get filler or fat grafts and watch your smv quadruple for 2 years

 

[zemult]

get filler or fat grafts and watch your smv quadruple for 2 years

Cope it's over