Trump's America and Ukraine

[hopecel]

real or not? @Mosh12 @Skara @valentine @Whatever

 

[valentine]

prob

 

[hopecel]

prob

how will he make America great then?

 

[RecessedCels]

real or not? @Mosh12 @Skara @valentine @Whatever

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That is real. The Russians won because of the stupidity of the Americans

 

[staton]

real or not? @Mosh12 @Skara @valentine @Whatever

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its a pointless war, i think its closer to cutting off an infected arm more than anything

 

[staton]

It's a meat grinder for slavshit men

and its literally the same people genetically and culture-wise, fucking pointless

 

[Rabbi]

Every country that appeases to Russia is committing suicide in the long run. Russia has already severely compromised the media sphere of Ameritards.

 

[hopecel]

That is real. The Russians won because of the stupidity of the Americans

yeah but my question is, will this Trump's decision cost America in the future?

and its literally the same people genetically and culture-wise, fucking pointless

tell that to Russians who invaded Ukraine

 

[Deleted member 107106]

We europeans will soon become femboys who live to please russians and americans

 

[RecessedCels]

yeah but my question is, will this Trump's decision cost America in the future?

Yes. A lot

 

[hopecel]

We europeans will soon become femboys who live to please russians and americans

I'm sorry but you already are

 

[staton]

tell that to Russians who invaded Ukraine

i get it, at the beginning anyone smart enough to count to three was on ukraine's side but now it's hard to keep defending continuing the war, putin will just keep throwing russians at the front, and zelensky is pretty hated across ukraine anyways (though less so than putin, of course)

 

[hopecel]

zelensky is pretty hated across ukraine anyways (though less so than putin, of course)

no he's not

actually Ukrainians respect him even more now than before

 

[piec]

That is real. The Russians won because of the stupidity of the Americans

blaming americans for a country 30x larger and richer than ukraine winning the war that west should have absolutely nothing to do with next level retardation, maybe we should also send nato troops and soldiers there to keep it running? the absolute detachment from reality of democrats is insane

 

[piec]

real or not? @Mosh12 @Skara @valentine @Whatever

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more like kicking zelensky not ukraine, god forbid innocent people stop dying

 

[RecessedCels]

blaming americans for a country 30x larger and richer than ukraine winning the war that west should have absolutely nothing to do with next level retardation, maybe we should also send nato troops and soldiers there to keep it running? the absolute detachment from reality of democrats is insane

The us has made a lot of promises before. The war is BENEFICIAL for the us anyway. It's harming Russia more than the west

 

[Deleted member 91663]

That is real. The Russians won because of the stupidity of the Americans

Ukraine had no path to victory without direct NATO intervention. Their official objective was to recapture Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

 

[staton]

actually Ukrainians respect him even more now than before

i think that the rest of the world respects him more than most ukrainians themselves, at least that's what i can gather from the ukranians i know

 

[RecessedCels]

i get it, at the beginning anyone smart enough to count to three was on ukraine's side but now it's hard to keep defending continuing the war, putin will just keep throwing russians at the front, and zelensky is pretty hated across ukraine anyways (though less so than putin, of course)

Majority of ukranians APPROVE of his leadership. Only a tiny percentage hate him

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Every country that appeases to Russia is committing suicide in the long run. Russia has already severely compromised the media sphere of Ameritards.

It's just a false retelling of history. Not everything can be framed in terms of appeasement or total victory.
Diplomacy is more nuanced than that.

 

[piec]

The us has made a lot of promises before

what promises? you literally just said nothing

The war is BENEFICIAL for the us anyway

who is us? are you part of the military industrial complex?

 

[hopecel]

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more like kicking zelensky not ukraine,

they'll end up cucked

god forbid innocent people stop dying

I agree but Russia is to blame for that, not Ukraine

 

[staton]

Majority of ukranians APPROVE of his leadership. Only a tiny percentage hate him

might be, i won't discuss this anymore since i have no way of being sure of anything

 

[RecessedCels]

Ukraine had no path to victory without direct NATO intervention. Their official objective was to recapture Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

Russia would have most likely given up if Ukraine had had better weapons at the start

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Majority of ukranians APPROVE of his leadership. Only a tiny percentage hate him

Tell that to the ethnic Russians who were being bombed by Ukrainain artillery since 2014.

 

[piec]

I agree but Russia is to blame for that, not Ukraine

imagine in you are in ukraine. do you give A SINGLE FUCK WHOS TO BLAME? youre about to die from a fucking drone strike and you are forced to stay there and get punished if you dare to leave

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Russia would have most likely given up if Ukraine had had better weapons at the start

Russia has more manpower and is far outproducing the US and Europe combined.
There is no path to victory. Vance is a chameleon and a liar but his assessment of the situation was correct.

 

[RecessedCels]

what promises? you literally just said nothing


who is us? are you part of the military industrial complex?

The us (and Russia) both promised Ukraine security guarantees when they gave up their nuclear weapons.

Destroying your enemies is always good for you?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Majority of ukranians APPROVE of his leadership. Only a tiny percentage hate him

Zelensky has shut down opposition media and political parties.
Where can they even get a critical perspective of his leadership anymore?

 

[RecessedCels]

Tell that to the ethnic Russians who were being bombed by Ukrainain artillery since 2014.

Only a couple hundred people have died after 2015

 

[piec]

Majority of ukranians APPROVE of his leadership. Only a tiny percentage hate him

maybe let people who fucking die there decide? why should 40% of people who want to just live fucking die because a bunch of retards staying at home and foids said so?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Only a couple hundred people have died after 2015

14,000 according to the UN, a famous Russian propaganda outfit.

 

[hopecel]

Tell that to the pro-Russian Bolshevik separatists who were being bombed by Ukrainain artillery since 2014.

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imagine in you are in ukraine. do you give A SINGLE FUCK WHOS TO BLAME? youre about to die from a fucking drone strike and you are forced to stay there and get punished if you dare to leave

yeah but Russians won't stop until they conquer the entire country

if not now then in the future... and who's next?

 

[Deleted member 80130]

Whatever, not my problem

 

[RecessedCels]

Russia has more manpower and is far outproducing the US and Europe combined.
There is no path to victory. Vance is a chameleon and a liar but his assessment was correct.

Yeah the west fucked up with the artillery. It will take some years for NATO to catch up with Russian artillery production. Luckily drones are more important than artillery now

 

[Deleted member 91663]

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yeah but Russians won't stop until they conquer the entire country

if not now then in the future... and who's next?

What are you talking about? The Russians aren't communist anymore. Blood transcends ideology.
Ethnic russians have lived there since before the USSR.

 

[hopecel]

Zelensky has shut down opposition media and political parties.
Where can they even get a critical perspective of his leadership anymore?

he banned pro-Russian 5th column / commies who deny The Holodomor and who want to serve Putin

 

[RecessedCels]

14,000 according to the UN, a famous Russian propaganda outfit.

14000 if we include 2014-2015 and most of those are militants or soldiers

 

[hopecel]

What are you talking about? The Russians aren't communist anymore. Blood transcends ideology and the idiocy of communism.
Ethnic russians have lived there since before the USSR.

you clearly have no clue what is going on over there

I suggest you to follow https://t.me/TradRussia

 

[piec]

yeah but Russians won't stop until they conquer the entire country

if not now then in the future... and who's next?

this war has been going on for very long and is much more complex than just conquering land, from my perspective we intervene in a foreign war that we have nothing to do with to help a country that fucking genocided us100 years ago. which serves absolutely no reason than being aggressive and further worsening relations with russia, thus actually making the threat way worse

 

[Deleted member 91663]

he banned pro-Russian 5th column / commies who deny The Holodomor and who want to serve Putin

They all condemned the Russian invasion. I don't back Russia or Ukraine here.
I just acknowledge that Putin's actions didn't appear out of a vacuum. That's all.

 

[RecessedCels]

maybe let people who fucking die there decide? why should 40% of people who want to just live fucking die because a bunch of retards staying at home and foids said so?

Most of the men seem to be okay with fighting

 

[BigJimsWornOutTires]

If the criminals and poverty of Ukraine and Russia ever found out the truth that both leaders worked together to lower their population and thus, murdered the poor and criminal minded, the people would rise quickly and tear them both apart. At this point, nukes have no power. When you violate the soul, life is meaningless.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

you clearly have no clue what is going on over there

I suggest you to follow https://t.me/TradRussia

Anyone who thinks the Russians are genuinely communist anymore is clueless.
You're conflating a Russian nostalgia for power with an endorsement of communism.
Much like Brits today who pine for the empire but don't actually support the practices that caused it to rise to prominence.

 

[piec]

Most of the men seem to be okay with fighting

then if they are all so fucking okay with it why did zelensky ban people from leaving you fucking retard? they should have no problem recruiting these fucking fierce motivated fighters

 

[hopecel]

Anyone who thinks the Russians are genuinely communist anymore is clueless.
You're conflating a Russian nostalgia for power with an endorsement of communism.
Much like Brits today who pine for the empire but don't actually support the practices that caused it to rise to prominence.

if you criticise Soviet Union and Red Army, you'll end up in jail in Russia

 

[RecessedCels]

then if they are all so fucking okay with it why did zelensky ban people from leaving you fucking retard? they should have no problem recruiting these fucking fierce motivated fighters

Being okay with a draft is different than volunteering. That's how it works in literally any country

 

[rand anon]

Russia has more manpower and is far outproducing the US and Europe combined.
There is no path to victory. Vance is a chameleon and a liar but his assessment of the situation was correct.

mogger avi

 

[Deleted member 80130]

im brazilian bro

 

[Deleted member 91663]

if you criticise Soviet Union and Red Army, you'll end up in jail in Russia

And Zelensky has banned the orthodox church and arrests political dissidents.
I don't care which authoritarian is better or worse than the other.
America should act in accordance with its own best interests. Something which escapes most people here.