Unpopular opinion: Modern western women are the best

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It's true, about 30% of wives in the U.S. out-earn their husbands.
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The fatal flaw in this study, is that it only surveys dual income couples. It doesn't account for the fact that there is a much higher percentage of single income households, where the man is working and the woman isn't. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 42% of households are single income as of 2017. Oh and only 29% of households having female "breadwinners" is pathetic anyways. It actually proves that women select for men who earn more than them, and it proves even in countries where wage gaps are minimal, women still marry men who out earn them, and many women in these places still want providers.

You can't generalize everyone, but women in the West are far more likely to accept a man who shows vulnerability than women in non-western countries.

You have no proof of this, but considering almost every man in the west has at least one experience of a woman negatively judging, criticizing, or insulting him for showing any sort of negative emotions in a relationship, I'm going to bet it's just as bad if not worse in western countries.

 

[AlexAP]

Eastern Europe is clearly superior.

Eastern Europe is still part of the West imo, at least the countries that are in the EU (Poland, Czechia, Hungary, etc.)

It’s not seeing you as an ATM, it’s relying on you. As a man, don't you like the idea of being the most necessarily pillar in the household? It gives you leverage and it changes the dynamic and the way she treats you, you will be seen as more valuable and naturally respected more.

Yes, but you can still feel needed without having to make all the money.

But if you like the idea of being unneeded and easily dispensable, then okay. That's why the divorce rate is over 50% in the west, 70% of which is initiated by the woman. Couples have nothing binding them together and whenever they have a big fight, instead of trying to work it out, they just leave. A marriage with both independent parties is a lot more fragile.

Divorce is obviously bad. Still you have to decide what's best, a marriage that never had any love and you stay married forever, or a marriage where you loved your spouse but it ended and you got divorced after 10-20 years.

Btw, divorce rates in the West are 30-40% and in the U.S., 90% of divorced men don't pay alimony. In Germany it's almost impossible to lose your assets in divorce because there is a thing called Gütertrennung (separation of assets). Only very bad divorces are worse than never having experienced love because of being a betabuxxer or being a bachelor forever.

Just because they are more traditional, it doesn’t mean they aren't intelligent. I can guarantee you that going to college is not what changes someone into a person that can have enlightening conversations. This kind of intelligence isn't something that comes from studying for tests. If you don't have it by the end of high school, you won't get it in college. But yeah, granted, western women are more educated on average. It doesn't mean they're smarter, but they have more knowledge on their specific field of choice.

General knowledge about things is more common in the West, people of both genders are more intelligent. And if the women actually have an interesting career, that's another thing where they have knowledge.

You're coping extremely hard right now. Western women are known to leave their man and stop respecting him after he opens up and cries in front of her. Western women are the ones that are always on the lookout for you to make a mistake and then leave you. Marriages in eastern europe are taken a lot more seriously and couples stay together through thick and thin. That makes for a much stronger connection.

Well Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are in the top 10 of countries with the highest divorce rates according to this source.

Divorce Rates by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

And I doubt that they show more compassion if their partners open up to them.

Sex is about connection, not performance. Sexual compatibility is something that becomes harder and harder to attain the more people you have to compare to your partner. When you form a connection to one person with little to no prior experience, sex will be good regardless. The performance and compatibility come later, when you spend enough time together and learn what the other person likes.

My point was not promiscuity, it was the mere fact that women in the West can bond with her partner through sex. In countries that are very conservative the women remain virgin until marriage and then get arrange marriaged to a man without having a choice, sex is just used as bargain and not for bonding in a relationship that the woman choose freely.

 

[gamma]

In countries that are very conservative the women remain virgin until marriage and then get arrange marriaged to a man without having a choice

No such a thing in 2022...except in islamic middle east, maybe India

All world is "westernized"

 

[AlexAP]

No such a thing in 2022...except in islamic middle east, maybe India

All world is "westernized"

I meant the tradition of virgin marriage that was practiced by many religious people, this only happens in very few religious people in the West today (evangelicals), and of course in the arranged marriages in Muslim countries and India.

 

[fogdart]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

Hating on modern women aka misogyny is coping. Chad barely hates on women because he reaps the benefits of modern women. Misogyny is an incel trait.

 

[wollet2]

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[wollet2]

Hating on modern women aka misogyny is coping. Chad barely hates on women because he reaps the benefits of modern women. Misogyny is an incel trait.

Chad and incel are both considered misogynists by women. They just express it different. Chad abuses, doesnt care about women while incel never gets to touch woman but openly hates them / talks about them with hatred

 

[fogdart]

Chad and incel are both considered misogynists by women. They just express it different. Chad abuses, doesnt care about women while incel never gets to touch woman but openly hates them / talks about them with hatred

Wrong. Most chads are actually not abusive and don't hate women. Chads who hate women were bullied growing up because they were ugly and had a glow up later in life. You'll barely find any chad who has been attractive all his life hating on women. Just like you'll barely find any Stacys or Stacylites hating on men or bashing men. Stacys and Chads benefit the most from each gender.

 

[wollet2]

Wrong. Most chads are actually not abusive and don't hate women. Chads who hate women were bullied growing up because they were ugly and had a glow up later in life. You'll barely find any chad who has been attractive all his life hating on women. Just like you'll barely find any Stacys or Stacylites hating on men or bashing men. Stacys and Chads benefit the most from each gender.

No way theyre not abusive. Abusive means talking with other girls too, cheating, threatening etc . All chads cheat on their gf. They dont respect their gf. They lie to girls just to get sex.

I just told you. Chad doesnt need to openly hate on women or doesnt feel like it. Lol. But they dont care about women and dont respect them. What do you expect. Chad to go on forum and write essay about how he hates women?

 

[wollet2]

Wrong. Most chads are actually not abusive and don't hate women. Chads who hate women were bullied growing up because they were ugly and had a glow up later in life. You'll barely find any chad who has been attractive all his life hating on women. Just like you'll barely find any Stacys or Stacylites hating on men or bashing men. Stacys and Chads benefit the most from each gender.

Yes the way you think it i agree. 99% of chads are not bitter and hateful like people here. They express their misoginy in different way by abusing women

 

[OldRooster]

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

But it isn't just "women's studies", there is an entire network of bullshit degrees that women major in. Women make up like 80% of the following bullshit degrees (usually SJW degrees): Ethnic Studies, Gender Studies, Human Resources, Journalism, Communications, Art History, Anthropology, Social Worker, Creative Writing, Education, Culinary Arts, Photographic arts, Music, Theater, Psychology.

 

[AlexAP]

But it isn't just "women's studies", there is an entire network of bullshit degrees that women major in. Women make up like 80% of the following bullshit degrees (usually SJW degrees): Ethnic Studies, Gender Studies, Human Resources, Journalism, Communications, Art History, Anthropology, Social Worker, Creative Writing, Education, Culinary Arts, Photographic arts, Music, Theater, Psychology.

Journalism and Education isn't a bad choice, if employers want degrees and you want to work as teacher or journalist it makes sense.

Most degrees made by women aren't that completely trash, although college in general is overrated (for both genders). The percentage of degrees in humanities has actually gone down in the last years, more students seem to search for career-oriented studies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2017/04/13/what-happened-to-all-those-unemployable-womens-studies-majors/

 

[Deprived]

Hmm modern women have higher body counts so I disagree

 

[Magical Apple]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

Debunking this one point at a time.

- Statistically western women have some of the highest obesity rates so this simply cannot be true.

- This is true, but statistically women expect their husbands to earn more than them so wealthier women are, the higher financial standards they have.

- Again this is statistically untrue, as the countries with the most female stem graduates (most intelectually rigorous careers) are exclusively non western. In fact there is even an opposite corrolation where westernized countries produce fewer female stem graduates.


- If this were true, than western countries would have lower divorce rates which is wrong.

- They statistically have some of the highest promiscuity rates which are also statistically correlated to higher dis-satisfaction in marriage.

Every one of your point is absolute garbage and in direct contrast to actual evidence. Stfu

 

[AlexAP]

- Statistically western women have some of the highest obesity rates so this simply cannot be true.

1. Obesity rates in Latin America and Middle East are on pair with the West. Only African countries (because of poverty) and Asian countries have lower obesity rates than in the West.

List of countries by obesity rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2. In every country, some women will look below-average. If a woman is very unattractive but slim that's not good either. And it's not like you have to be Chad to get a non-obese woman in the West.

- This is true, but statistically women expect their husbands to earn more than them so wealthier women are, the higher financial standards they have.

In Western countries like the U.S. and Germany about one-third of wives out-earn their husbands.

- Again this is statistically untrue, as the countries with the most female stem graduates (most intelectually rigorous careers) are exclusively non western. In fact there is even an opposite corrolation where westernized countries produce fewer female stem graduates.

Intelligence is generally higher in the West. It's not only about STEM. If you have been in the Third world you will notice the IQ difference.

- If this were true, than western countries would have lower divorce rates which is wrong.

Not true, both things don't have to correlate. Many women with bad personalities stay married, many women with good personalities had a divorce.
Western marriages have higher expectations, many couples will divorce because they stopped loving each other, in a betabuxx marriage they would stay together.

- They statistically have some of the highest promiscuity rates which are also statistically correlated to higher dis-satisfaction in marriage.

The majority of western women are not promiscuous, the manosphere is very hyperbolic about that.
And while a very high bodycount has negative effects, there is barely any difference if the woman has a single-digit bodycount. Only religious people who stay virgin until marriage have significantly lower divorce rates in the West, but how many people here are very religious and want such a marriage?

 

[Magical Apple]

1. Obesity rates in Latin America and Middle East are on pair with the West. Only African countries (because of poverty) and Asian countries have lower obesity rates than in the West.

List of countries by obesity rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2. In every country, some women will look below-average. If a woman is very unattractive but slim that's not good either. And it's not like you have to be Chad to get a non-obese woman in the West.

In Western countries like the U.S. and Germany about one-third of wives out-earn their husbands.

Intelligence is generally higher in the West. It's not only about STEM. If you have been in the Third world you will notice the IQ difference.

Not true, both things don't have to correlate. Many women with bad personalities stay married, many women with good personalities had a divorce.
Western marriages have higher expectations, many couples will divorce because they stopped loving each other, in a betabuxx marriage they would stay together.

The majority of western women are not promiscuous, the manosphere is very hyperbolic about that.
And while a very high bodycount has negative effects, there is barely any difference if the woman has a single-digit bodycount. Only religious people who stay virgin until marriage have significantly lower divorce rates in the West, but how many people here are very religious and want such a marriage?

1. This is untrue. Being overweight prevents you from being attractive. In the west, the obesity rate is close to 50%. This means 50% of women cannot be attractive. This makes your competition even more brutal when you apply the 80 20 rule. Dating a decent woman in the west is pretty much chad only.

2. Any country where women enter the workforce, the birth and marriage rate drops precipitously. This is because women do not tolerate men earning lower than them. Statistically this means in practice the higher earning a woman is, the more likely she is to see herself as out of your league. Even if in 1/3 of households the wives earn more, this difference is probably marginal and the man likely has a highly prestigious career. E.g. a female lawyer married to a male professor. You will never see a female lawyer married to a male plumber.

3. Higher intelligence in the west is being offset due to an apex fallacy. If all the major universities and companies are located in the west than that means that the immeasurable IQ geniuses also live there and thus throw off the average. This doesn't reflect the average woman you will date. STEM requires work ethic, patience and rational thinking and thus the women who work in it are likely to have or develop these traits. A woman in a major like gender studies will never understand what hard work and deep thinking is, the traits that make people seem generally intelligent. Also, it is to be noted asia has the highest IQ despite decades of a massive brain drain to the west.

4. 80% of divorces in the west are initiated by women not men. This means by definition, western women have demanding and judgmental personalities. Not to mention western countries have the highest rates of female infidelity out of anywhere.

5. Western countries not only have high promiscuity rates but are the only places where female promiscuity is higher than male promiscuity. You do not want to date a woman with a high bodycount at all let alone one higher than yours.

What you are saying is a load of bullshit. Every major statistic points to the fact that western women are hypergamous, untrustworthy and make poor long term partners. Stop coping

 

[AlexAP]

1. This is untrue. Being overweight prevents you from being attractive. In the west, the obesity rate is close to 50%. This means 50% of women cannot be attractive. This makes your competition even more brutal when you apply the 80 20 rule. Dating a decent woman in the west is pretty much chad only.

Yes, overweight means not attractive. But it's not true that 50% of western wome are obese. The highest rate in the West is in the U.S. with 36%. Sadly men aren't much better, so if you are man with normal weight you can get a woman with normal weight.
Non-western countries like Mexico, Argentina, Egypt or Iran have higher rates than Spain, Germany, France or Sweden, so the West is not much worse compared to the Third world. I agree that Asian countries have low obesity rates.

2. Any country where women enter the workforce, the birth and marriage rate drops precipitously. This is because women do not tolerate men earning lower than them. Statistically this means in practice the higher earning a woman is, the more likely she is to see herself as out of your league. Even if in 1/3 of households the wives earn more, this difference is probably marginal and the man likely has a highly prestigious career. E.g. a female lawyer married to a male professor. You will never see a female lawyer married to a male plumber.

Well there's nothing bad about a man earning more, I know it's still the majority, I just wanted to say that it's wrong to say that women wouldn't accept a man who earns less. One-third already do accept it.
Most women who work aren't in highly competitive careers, female lawyers are rare, so it's not like many women can't find a man because they aren't good enough for them. In fact, highly educated women are more likely to get married than their counterparts.

3. Higher intelligence in the west is being offset due to an apex fallacy. If all the major universities and companies are located in the west than that means that the immeasurable IQ geniuses also live there and thus throw off the average. This doesn't reflect the average woman you will date. STEM requires work ethic, patience and rational thinking and thus the women who work in it are likely to have or develop these traits. A woman in a major like gender studies will never understand what hard work and deep thinking is, the traits that make people seem generally intelligent. Also, it is to be noted asia has the highest IQ despite decades of a massive brain drain to the west.

That's not true, average person in the West is more intelligent than in Third world countries. I have seen it in Bolivia and heard stories from other countries, you can see the lower IQ in many situations.

4. 80% of divorces in the west are initiated by women not men. This means by definition, western women have demanding and judgmental personalities. Not to mention western countries have the highest rates of female infidelity out of anywhere.

It's 60-65%, still a big majority but not 80%. Women who marry men for money (like in betabuxx marriages) don't have less demanding personalities, even if they stay married. A loveless marriage without divorce isn't better than a love marriage who ends in divorce after one or two decades.
Infidelity is bad whether it's done by women or men. I doubt the rates are higher in our age or higher than in non-western countries. And no, wives and husbands cheat about the same rate in the West today, in the past husbands cheated more, now it's equal.

5. Western countries not only have high promiscuity rates but are the only places where female promiscuity is higher than male promiscuity. You do not want to date a woman with a high bodycount at all let alone one higher than yours.

This obsession with female promiscuity is cringe. Most western women aren't very promiscuous. I know it's not good, still you don't have to pretend like the average western woman has a 50+ bodycount and an Onlyfans account.

What you are saying is a load of bullshit. Every major statistic points to the fact that western women are hypergamous, untrustworthy and make poor long term partners. Stop coping

Hypergamous because they want more than just money, true, but I think a marriage out of love is better than money. As I said, I don't judge a marriage solely based on the question if they stayed together until death, a betabuxx marriage is worse than a marriage out of love that got divorced after decades.

 

[Magical Apple]

Yes, overweight means not attractive. But it's not true that 50% of western wome are obese. The highest rate in the West is in the U.S. with 36%. Sadly men aren't much better, so if you are man with normal weight you can get a woman with normal weight.
Non-western countries like Mexico, Argentina, Egypt or Iran have higher rates than Spain, Germany, France or Sweden, so the West is not much worse compared to the Third world. I agree that Asian countries have low obesity rates.

Well there's nothing bad about a man earning more, I know it's still the majority, I just wanted to say that it's wrong to say that women wouldn't accept a man who earns less. One-third already do accept it.
Most women who work aren't in highly competitive careers, female lawyers are rare, so it's not like many women can't find a man because they aren't good enough for them. In fact, highly educated women are more likely to get married than their counterparts.

That's not true, average person in the West is more intelligent than in Third world countries. I have seen it in Bolivia and heard stories from other countries, you can see the lower IQ in many situations.

It's 60-65%, still a big majority but not 80%. Women who marry men for money (like in betabuxx marriages) don't have less demanding personalities, even if they stay married. A loveless marriage without divorce isn't better than a love marriage who ends in divorce after one or two decades.
Infidelity is bad whether it's done by women or men. I doubt the rates are higher in our age or higher than in non-western countries. And no, wives and husbands cheat about the same rate in the West today, in the past husbands cheated more, now it's equal.

This obsession with female promiscuity is cringe. Most western women aren't very promiscuous. I know it's not good, still you don't have to pretend like the average western woman has a 50+ bodycount and an Onlyfans account.

Hypergamous because they want more than just money, true, but I think a marriage out of love is better than money. As I said, I don't judge a marriage solely based on the question if they stayed together until death, a betabuxx marriage is worse than a marriage out of love that got divorced after decades.

Its 40% and no your analogy doesn't work because women judge men more harshly. This problem simply adds to what is already a really tough situation.

If you think western women accept men who are of a lower socioeconomic status you are absolutely delusional. They do not.

The average person in the west is not more intelligent than the average person in the east. Maybe latin america or africa but those places are a bad comparison.

Westerners confuse romance with love which is why their marriages typically fail. Long term love is arguable more likely to come from a traditional marriage than some bullshit romance. Romance is not realistic and western culture cannot understand this. What you don't understand is western women care just as much about money but also have the added expectations of looks and charisma as well.

They are promiscuous enough that it is highly problematic. They are also comfortable with publicly displaying their sexuality which is really bad for relationships.

They expect betabuxx and everything else. Its a lose/lose. As a man, you gain nothing from the western dating market.

 

[wollet2]

Westerners confuse romance with love which is why their marriages typically fail. Long term love is arguable more likely to come from a traditional marriage than some bullshit romance. Romance is not realistic and western culture cannot understand this. What you don't understand is western women care just as much about money but also have the added expectations of looks and charisma as well.

Why do i feel youre a 30 yo dumb incel boomer. Stfu. Better luck in next life

 

[abeilletoimême]

In Eastern Europe wear fashionable, but more modest feminine clothing

You won't see an eastern european woman wearing a hoodie and sweatpants or walking around like a stripper.

LMAOOOOO

 

[Magical Apple]

Why do i feel youre a 30 yo dumb incel boomer. Stfu. Better luck in next life

Im just being realistic

 

[Oberyn]

Yes you are right they are the best if you are CHAD

 

[Lawton88]

I know about the overweight rates. When women get older, the rates go up.
Unfortunately in our time this is a problem for men too, so sadly they are "looksmatched." But if you don't get fat yourself there's still enough non-fat women left. And tbh it's not as crazy here in Germany, maybe it's worse in other western countries like the U.S.

About betabuxxing: In the U.S., in about one-third of marriages women earn more now, and it's the same here in Germany. Of course you still can't be unemployed, but betabuxxing is not as common as before or how it is still common in the Third world.

Marriage rates are going down because many of these western females are above marrying a guy that makes the same or less than them. They can't have their social media circle knowing she settled for someone like that.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

Doesnt change the fact that his point about women being better looking now isnt true

maybe the top 20% of women are better looking than the top 20% of women in the past, but the average becky is definitely much uglier nowadays than then

Woman wearing 10 layers of makeup with added surgeries doesn't make their genes better.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

i agree somewhat but i think that OP is a retard if he thinks that women in past weren't intelligent or had worse personalities jfl as if having a degree and going clubbing every weekend is somehow a great personality

You could argue they did have more of a personality if that's even possible for woman they always go with the flow. Never against the grain. Never going to stand up unless other females will simp to them for being a giga Stacy or mog the group.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

Hating on modern women aka misogyny is coping. Chad barely hates on women because he reaps the benefits of modern women. Misogyny is an incel trait.

Chad only get's the best features of woman their holes and them being nice to him to get coke can dong

 

[Deleted member 5189]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

They're phsyically undeveloped because of messed up hormones and diet and their bodies are unnatural because they got pregnant too late or never did or will get pregnant

Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

Means your children are raised by the government instead of your parents and men have to work even harder to get pussy if their work even grants them this. An extra income to the table wouldn't be necessary if they were didn't start working in the first place

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

Western women are smarter but modern women and everyone are more retarded

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

What they don't want is a man curling up and crying to them like a child which a man with healthy hormones wouldn't be like unlike in western countries which have the most messed up hormones and are brainwashed the most by man-made morals and rules

 

[SeiGun]

if you mean the 0.0001% yea you right....too bad most are ugly, fat, in debt, having stupid degree and entitle af

 

[tyronelite]

Legit

 

[Deleted member 18522]

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Spit out my tea holy shit

 

[Wallenberg]

- The best-looking women. With makeup, fashion and good hairstyle almost every women in the West can look good. They definitely look better than in the past. It is also true that non-white women who live in the West look better than the non-white women who live in their home countries.

- Financially independent. Most traditional women want betabuxxers, that means the man has to work hard to have access to her pussy. Modern western women can take care of themselves and will bring an extra-income to the table. Of course you should have a job too, but they don't see you as an ATM like Third-world women.

- Intelligent. "Muh all women only make gender studies degree at college", what a cope. Way less than 1% of all degrees in U.S. colleges are women's studies. Most women are as intelligent as men, there are a lot of smart women that you can have enlightening conversations with. Of course this is better than having a dumb women that only married you for money.

- Good personality. Women from non-western countries are very traditional. They want the man to earn all the money, be the leader, be stoic, never show emotions. Most western women let their men in relationships show vulnerability, that leads to a much closer connection between them.

- Sexually liberated. "Muh they're all whores", no, they just actually like sex instead of using it as bargain against their betabuxx husband. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship, therefore waiting until marriage is stupid. It is much better when both like it than if the woman just lays there waiting for their betabuxx husband to finish.

JFL at users here glorifying betabuxx marriages in the Third world or the "good old times" in the West. Modern western women are the best by far. I can see how men with low SMV are frustrated, but don't cope with saying that western women are low-quality, that's just not true.

Absolutely. Western women along with East Asians are the best women. This isn't an uncommon opinion outside the incelosphere. I love Western women. I really do.

 

[lil truecel]

This sounds like something an ethnic would say. Ethnics are glad to live in the Aryan west after escaping their backward shitholes and experience the world of people with IQs over 80.

 

[Debetro]

Point 1- Partially valid.
Point 2 - True but invalid.
Point 3 - They spend more time getting educated, but IQ levels have decreased in both genders.
Point 4 - Not much of a change.
Point 5 - Invalid.

 

[AlexAP]

Point 1- Partially valid.
Point 2 - True but invalid.
Point 3 - They spend more time getting educated, but IQ levels have decreased in both genders.
Point 4 - Not much of a change.
Point 5 - Invalid.

Why are 2 and 5 "invalid"? What does that mean?

 

[Scarface756]

Western women have their pros and cons.

Passport bros exaggerate how many of them are the stereotypical evil, high maintenance, and slutty Karens who divorce rape everyone while Blue Pilled Simps act like they're all angels who can do no wrong.

But there's levels to Western women. There's actually many marriageable women in the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe if you know where to look. I almost even dated a Latter Day Saints chick who wanted a serious LTR right away but I broke it off because I couldn't imagine forcing myself to believe that BS just for a relationship. She was literally trying to force me to go to her church and was upset at me refusing to go lol.

Non-Western women have their levels too. A lot of niggas don't even realize that Latin America has the highest rate of single motherhood and kids born out of wedlock in the world. So, JFL if you're going to countries like Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, DR, Costa Rica, or even Argentina and expecting to find a bunch of chaste tradwives. Many Latin women that Passport Bros meet are reformed thots who got passed around by local men before looking for a come up. The actual traditional Latin women usually either hail from rural areas or are highly religious and they usually get married and start families young.

A similar thing applies to SEA and Eastern Europe. There's plenty of traditional women there but you're likely not gonna get exposed to many of them. It's the "modern" women from those countries that love Western men the most.

But, at the same time, a "modern" woman from overseas is still better behaved than many modern Western women so a lot of guys still see it as an upgrade. And men also don't mind being a provider for women who are younger and hotter than they are.

People exaggerate shit about Western women on both sides even on here. You got SF types and White loving ethnic guys who keep claiming that White women are the most attractive and fog everyone else and blah blah, etc. while the other side thinks every Western woman is a fat radfem or 304.