UPPER maxillary projection is the key to aesthetics

[SubhumanityForce]

most people i see have decent forward growth, but ugly features

I think I might be the exact opposite. And even more my dad. Dad from the front was a Chad prince. Recessed af tho.

 

[LooksMaxxingBoss]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

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Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

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Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

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What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

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Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

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Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

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Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

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Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



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Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

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Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

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The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

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Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

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Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

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Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

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The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

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Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

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Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

I always had shit small
Maxila and triangle palate but in my early teens I reversed it with a palate expanded and later braces and it has completely transformed my projection zygo and jaw forward grow it works like majic go to the nearest dentist

 

[Deleted member 84469]

Ethnic trait: good upper maxilla but small mandible

 

[Deleted member 84469]

Also I just realized not too long ago that whites have the most facial projection in front of the eyes. Thus means that even though Blacks have a longer maxilla from the side, most of it is actually behind their eye where it doesn't add anything aesthetically. This means even if the African maxilla has more sagittal length than the European, the European has more where it counts. This is why White midfaces are projected and Black midfaces are sunken in

 

[aegon31]

Over for ricecels

 

[Narratiel]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

View attachment 1033427View attachment 1033418View attachment 1033419

Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

View attachment 1033442

Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

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What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

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Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

View attachment 1033448

Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

View attachment 1033403

Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

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Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



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Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

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Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

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The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

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Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

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Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

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Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

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The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

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Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

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Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

dnr. great thread

 

[Deleted member 25198]

not really

 

[soggra]

not really

Why

 

[JustHereToLooksmax]

Also I just realized not too long ago that whites have the most facial projection in front of the eyes. Thus means that even though Blacks have a longer maxilla from the side, most of it is actually behind their eye where it doesn't add anything aesthetically. This means even if the African maxilla has more sagittal length than the European, the European has more where it counts. This is why White midfaces are projected and Black midfaces are sunken in

References/sources? Also

JFL at calling this "sunken in", I get he is tyrone but still, blacks have more facial projection both according to studies I have seen and anecdotally, at least give them something lol.

 

[soggra]

References/sources? Also

JFL at calling this "sunken in", I get he is tyrone but still, blacks have more facial projection both according to studies I have seen and anecdotally, at least give them something lol.

Yea and he also has to realize that a projected lower maxilla contributes to the stretching of the skin and thus a better eye area and better aesthetics in general

 

[JustHereToLooksmax]

Yea and he also has to realize that a projected lower maxilla contributes to the stretching of the skin and thus a better eye area and better aesthetics in general

Many coping whitecels say that white failos are better than black halos just because they are white features, like someone said projected lower maxilla is a failo and flat philtrums are a halo, zero studies, only links is that he is an sfcel and underprojected lower maxilla is more common in whites
White = halo
Black or nonwhite = failo
to a lot of PSLers

 

[soggra]

Many coping whitecels say that white failos are better than black halos just because they are white features, like someone said projected lower maxilla is a failo and flat philtrums are a halo, zero studies, only links is that he is an sfcel and underprojected lower maxilla is more common in whites
White = halo
Black or nonwhite = failo
to a lot of PSLers

Ik lmao a underprojected lower maxilla can fk up your looks a lot especially if your upper lip is thin and you have a long philtrum to go with it

 

[JustHereToLooksmax]

Ik lmao a underprojected lower maxilla can fk up your looks a lot especially if your upper lip is thin and you have a long philtrum to go with it

One person said it makes you ape like

 

[TrveShortcel]

Without images, this isn’t worthy of BOTB.

Fuck you Master

 

[TrveShortcel]

Thank you thecel

 

[TrustMeBro]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

View attachment 1033427View attachment 1033418View attachment 1033419

Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

View attachment 1033442

Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

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What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

View attachment 1033406View attachment 1033407

Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

View attachment 1033448

Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

View attachment 1033403

Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

View attachment 1033410View attachment 1033408View attachment 1033409

Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



View attachment 1033417View attachment 1033421

Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

View attachment 1033404View attachment 1033405

Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

---

The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

View attachment 1033412

Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

View attachment 1033413

Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

View attachment 1033479

Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

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The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

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Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

View attachment 1033502

Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

you need to indulge in hella reefers and dubs to get a good projection

 

[fifi.mogy]

And how can i improve the area ???

 

[stufftodo]

true! the upper maxilla is one of the most important components of facial aesthetics in my opinion. having a good lower third ratio is also really important. maxillary prognathism is a big flaw in it of itself. even though i'm asian, having different features, having a developed maxilla alone improves your looks.