Watch out for jade

[RealSurgerymax]

Every time I come on I see him spamming misinformation to benefit his make-believe implant company.

I’m going to start fact checking him brutally

 

[Cidre enjoyer]

I think it's a woman unironically

 

[RealSurgerymax]

I think it's a woman unironically

It isn’t, it’s easy to find out who it is but I won’t say his name on an Incels website. But he is unironically a business person with no business in plastic surgery as shown by his linked in (and his posts.) He’s here to take advantage of gullible Incels coming up in here and right of the bat giving his long winded pitch about how he claims to have had unsuccessful implants and has come up with the solution. Sounds nice, but doesn’t work that way.

Jade - how about start an Amazon store instead

 

[RealSurgerymax]

would you go out with him?

No, I’m chad-only

 

[softlysoftly]

No, I’m chad-only

so I guess guys like @Amnesia and @Pendejo count?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

so I guess guys like @Amnesia and @Pendejo count?

Never seen pendejo but ive seen amnesias unfrauded pics… so I’m afraid not

 

[softlysoftly]

Never seen pendejo but ive seen amnesias unfrauded pics… so I’m afraid not

pendejo like abused his mod powers and deleted all pictures of him from here or I would show you
now hes not mod anymore he lost status its over for him

 

[RealSurgerymax]

pendejo like abused his mod powers and deleted all pictures of him from here or I would show you
now hes not mod anymore he lost status its over for him

Imagine losing your status on an Incels website… I would be MORTIFIED

 

[Pendejo]

Imagine losing your status on an Incels website… I would be MORTIFIED

These niggas keep bringing it up as if I cared JFL.

 

[Improver]

Every time I come on I see him spamming misinformation to benefit his make-believe implant company.

I’m going to start fact checking him brutally

His website links to one doctor. I talked to that doctor and guess what: He doesn't have any kind of relation with that website
I still don't understand if he is trying to scam people or if he wants to start his business by advertising here

 

[RealSurgerymax]

His website links to one doctor. I talked to that doctor and guess what: He doesn't have any kind of relation with that website
I still don't understand if he is trying to scam people or if he wants to start his business by advertising here

How interesting…

muhmuh there are always gonna be people trying to sound smart


but Would you give chin wing for a prostate massage im interested

 

[FreakkForLife]

Every time I come on I see him spamming misinformation to benefit his make-believe implant company.

I’m going to start fact checking him brutally

Hey bro @RealSurgerymax can we talk in pms,there's something important.


Btw,do uwhmpe and peek implants suffer the same problem of resorption and bone erosion as silicone implants do?
I was recommended it by some people and i wanted to get your insight on this

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Hey bro @RealSurgerymax can we talk in pms,there's something important.


Btw,do uwhmpe and peek implants suffer the same problem of resorption and bone erosion as silicone implants do?
I was recommended it by some people and i wanted to get your insight on this

All implant materials leave an imprint - period. Solid or Porous Polyethylene probably makes no difference. Solid polyethylene implants have almost no track record, although I know of some rare cases where they were used in South America.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

who

 

[FreakkForLife]

All implant materials leave an imprint - period. Solid or Porous Polyethylene probably makes no difference. Solid polyethylene implants have almost no track record, although I know of some rare cases where they were used in South America.

So,uwhmpe and peek will suffer from bone erosion and resorption too?
How many years would they last?
I am thinking of getting peek jaw implants for getting flared gonions and longer ranus

 

[Wallenberg]

He writes in an overly verbose way without saying anything concrete. From my limited experience with surgeons, they have actually had quite the opposite way of talking: a concise, straight-to-the-point way of speaking. I haven't seen any indications that his overly wordy posts indicate real expertise about implants.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

So,uwhmpe and peek will suffer from bone erosion and resorption too?
How many years would they last?
I am thinking of getting peek jaw implants for getting flared gonions and longer ranus

They last forever. Erosion never stops until the offending implant is removed. The imprint I mentioned is usually about 1mm and it doesn’t get worse after a year.

Same concept as ostéotomie relapse. There is always small relapse in the same neighbourhood of 1mm or 2 for large advancements

 

[Sal]

At least the nigga gives out free advice.

MF YOU QUOTED ME $200 FOR A FUCKING SURGERY RECOMMENDATION

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Jade is obviously a complete phony. He's repeated basic information about surgeries that is available to anyone as if he is some kind of expert. He's a waste of space and I think mods should just ban him before some naïve person actually believes he is an expert. I don't know what his agenda is, but doesn't have anything positive to offer.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

At least the nigga gives out free advice.

MF YOU QUOTED ME $200 FOR A FUCKING SURGERY RECOMMENDATION

Incel entitlement
I gave free advice for 3 years. Now I can’t keep up with requests for private advice, sorry.

 

[randomvanish]

They last forever. Erosion never stops until the offending implant is removed. The imprint I mentioned is usually about 1mm and it doesn’t get worse after a year.

isn't this a self-contradiction? yes, there is only 1 long term follow-up, showing implant causing no more than a 2mm resorption at max, but you now say it never stops?



and, if the bone itself liquid medium, can relapse even with the fucking metal plates on it what does an implant to the bone? the bone eventually can shift the implant in deep.

ALSO, the bone sometimes creates a bony layer around the implant, what if that means the implant is slowly buried into the bone, not making an "extra" thick layer on top of it?

God damn it, years passed I am still scared of implants. I'm ok with BIMAX though.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

isn't this a self-contradiction? yes, there is only 1 long term follow-up,

Since so many implant patients usually keep getting surgery, they are followed for much longer, even if by new surgeons who will assess the implants if they are doing similar surgery or surgery in that area. So I’m sure it almost always stops.

showing implant causing no more than a 2mm resorption at max, but you now say it never stops?

Erosion never stops, that’s why it isn’t considered bone erosion. You misunderstood

and, if the bone itself liquid medium, can relapse even with the fucking metal plates on it? what does implant?

Need to rephrase

ALSO, the bone sometimes creates a bony layer around the implant, what if that means the implant is slowly buried into the bone, not making an "extra" thick layer on top of it?

Usually new bone

God damn it, years passed I am still scared of implants. I'm ok with BIMAX though.

 

[FreakkForLife]

B

Since so many implant patients usually keep getting surgery, they are followed for much longer, even if by new surgeons who will assess the implants if they are doing similar surgery or surgery in that area. So I’m sure it almost always stops.

Erosion never stops, that’s why it isn’t considered bone erosion. You misunderstood

Need to rephrase

Usually new bone

Bro, please reply to PMs,it would barely take 2-4 minutes to answer.


I am confused so much for ramus lengthening.

 

[randomvanish]

Need to rephrase

i meant the bone called fluid medium, it moves and changes over the time. that's why we need custom plates for bimax, to prevent relapse. i've read relapse happens 20% of the time.
so, just guessing, carrying a foreing object means it will change the bone. i mean, i'll get it anyway, probably custom peek. i'm actually consulting with a maxillofacial surgeon right now. but still, i feel like i need preventitive living style, and check implants for every 2 year with a CT scan.

you mentioned some case reports from doctors, is there a way to find them? i mean i wish i can see more patient stories about implants, especially with long-term follow ups.

 

[FreakkForLife]

i meant the bone called fluid medium, it moves and changes over the time. that's why we need custom plates for bimax, to prevent relapse. i've read relapse happens 20% of the time.
so, just guessing, carrying a foreing object means it will change the bone. i mean, i'll get it anyway, probably custom peek. i'm actually consulting with a maxillofacial surgeon right now. but still, i feel like i need preventitive living style, and check implants for every 2 year with a CT scan.

you mentioned some case reports from doctors, is there a way to find them? i mean i wish i can see more patient stories about implants, especially with long-term follow ups.

Damn this is confusing.
@randomvanish

1.To summarise,do peek or uhwmpe implants cause bone resorption and erosion?
B)and do they cause bone to grow over them?

2.Do they have the same problems as traditional sillicone implants which everyone here critices?

 

[Sal]

Imagine trying to berate a medical professional (who not only has the surgical knowledge but the utilities too) for charging for his time

It's mainly satire. It's just that I paid Taban for a consultation and now got to pay another deposit for Pagnoni just to talk to these mfs.

Lowkey frustrated paying for opinions lol. This guy has helped a tonne of people so I aint mad.

 

[Sal]

First mistake

Wait...whats wrong with Taban? I was told he's the best for undereye?

 

[Sal]

There are a multitude of things I don’t like about him but I’ll just let this picture speak for itself

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Okay this settles all the rumors tbh.

I heard many stories like this.

Taban is good with soft tissue work.

But Pagnoni is my go to if both doctors determine I need orbitals or fat grafting

 

[Alexanderr]

After my recent experience with the user in question - I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[randomvanish]

To summarise,do peek or uhwmpe implants cause bone resorption and erosion?

unknown. no long term follow up, or case reports showing it does. we do have information about silicone.

B)and do they cause bone to grow over them?

for silicone, yes it does, it's proven. it probably do the same for any material including peek.

 

[FreakkForLife]

unknown. no long term follow up, or case reports showing it does. we do have information about silicone.

for silicone, yes it does, it's proven. it probably do the same for any material including peek.

Is bOne resorption and erosion,and bone overgrowth on implants even a bad thing?

 

[randomvanish]

Is bOne resorption and erosion,and bone overgrowth on implants even a bad thing?

resorption, erosion is a really bad thing of course. but surgeons say it's not happening like a never-ending process. it stops after adjustment phase, they claim. and there is a 1 long term study.

overgrowth is not actually a bad thing. your bone creates an extra thin layer over the implant, like absorbing it. but who knows?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Is bOne resorption and erosion,and bone overgrowth on implants even a bad thing?

Small amounts of minor remodelling under the implant is akin to small expected amounts of relapse from an osteotomy. It doesn’t matter.

Active erosion is a problem.

Bone overgrowth is not a problem at all

 

[FreakkForLife]

resorption, erosion is a really bad thing of course. but surgeons say it's not happening like a never-ending process. it stops after adjustment phase, they claim. and there is a 1 long term study.

overgrowth is not actually a bad thing. your bone creates an extra thin layer over the implant, like absorbing it. but who knows?

Small amounts of minor remodelling under the implant is akin to small expected amounts of relapse from an osteotomy. It doesn’t matter.

Active erosion is a problem.

Bone overgrowth is not a problem at all

Thanks.
If bone erosion and resorption happens to a limited extent only,then why are there so many people against implants?
The issue of getting in fights can be solved by getting peek impalnts instead of silicone.

Then what's the issue with everyone who are against implants?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Thanks.
If bone erosion and resorption happens to a limited extent only,then why are there so many people against implants?
The issue of getting in fights can be solved by getting peek impalnts instead of silicone.

Then what's the issue with everyone who are against implants?

The biggest problem with implants is being aesthetically disappointed. This is because of
1. bad design
2. Wrong placement
3. Fat patient

80% of implant cases have almost 1 of the above.

 

[FreakkForLife]

The biggest problem with implants is being aesthetically disappointed. This is because of
1. bad design
2. Wrong placement
3. Fat patient

80% of implant cases have almost 1 of the above.

@randomvanish
1.bad design and 2.wrong replacement can be solved by getting a well drawn custom implant from a well skilled surgeon/doctor,right?

3.fat patient can be solved by getting below 14% body fat?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

1.bad design and 2.wrong replacement can be solved by getting a well drawn custom implant from a well skilled surgeon/doctor,right?

3.fat patient can be solved by getting below 14% body fat?

Yes.

I think that’s what really made me blow my lid at jade and ruby today - reasoning that any maxillofacial surgeon or plastic surgeon can correctly place a facial implant. It’s very wishful thinking by someone who has never done it.

I don’t want to name or embarrass any surgeons because no one is above it but even some of the “best” implant specialists have misplaced implants. Look at the Yelp reviews for the top 2 implant surgeons is all I will say. Both have people complaining about misplaced off the shelf and custom implants with scans to show they are not placed correctly.

For novice implant surgeons they are almost never placed right.

 

[FreakkForLife]

Yes.

I think that’s what really made me blow my lid at jade and ruby today - reasoning that any maxillofacial surgeon or plastic surgeon can correctly place a facial implant. It’s very wishful thinking by someone who has never done it.

I don’t want to name or embarrass any surgeons because no one is above it but even some of the “best” implant specialists have misplaced implants. Look at the Yelp reviews for the top 2 implant surgeons is all I will say. Both have people complaining about misplaced off the shelf and custom implants with scans to show they are not placed correctly.

For novice implant surgeons they are almost never placed right.

Thanks,

Could u please provide opionons on

1.Do implants get loose in contact over time?

2.and do implants have to be replaced in our lifetime or can we take them to the grave?

And the last question,

3.many users here seem to he concerned with getting in fights accidentally,and they say implants can be a problem for that, so can peek implants survive fights and accidents?

Can silicone do it or not?

 

[FreakkForLife]

Thanks,

Could u please provide opionons on

1.Do implants get loose in contact over time?

2.and do implants have to be replaced in our lifetime or can we take them to the grave?

And the last question,

3.many users here seem to he concerned with getting in fights accidentally,and they say implants can be a problem for that, so can peek implants survive fights and accidents?

Can silicone do it or not?

@randomvanish

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Thanks,

Could u please provide opionons on

1.Do implants get loose in contact over time?

Not unless there is some problem like long term suppressed infection, or other medical problems.

2.and do implants have to be replaced in our lifetime or can we take them to the grave?

To the grave

And the last question,

3.many users here seem to he concerned with getting in fights accidentally,and they say implants can be a problem for that, so can peek implants survive fights and accidents?

Yes especially if the implants have perfusion holes

Can silicone do it or not?

Yes silicone is fine for fights or contact sports. It’s not good in certain areas because of its flexibility. Silicone is fine in the midface IMO. Under the masseter muscle, or vertical supraorbital a solid material might be more preferable.

 

[Silver]

There are a multitude of things I don’t like about him but I’ll just let this picture speak for itself

View attachment 1782076

Taban only use off-the-shelf implants?

 

[FreakkForLife]

Much Thanks for this convo bro,there is so much contradicting info here ,it's hard to check what's wrong and what's right


Could u just give an insight on this?

Not unless there is some problem like long term suppressed infection, or other medical problems.

Supressed infection?
Is it from the past pre-op history of the patient or does the patient acquire it post-op after getting the implants installed?

Yes especially if the implants have perfusion holes

Do Perfusion holes help in protection in fights? Or are perfusion holes bad? Could u elaborate a bit more,

Yes silicone is fine for fights or contact sports. It’s not good in certain areas because of its flexibility.

Then why are people so afraid of getting in fights with silicone implants? Is the fear just baseless and unnecessary?

Silicone is fine in the midface IMO. Under the masseter muscle, or vertical supraorbital a solid material might be more preferable.

So,peek for jaw is the best?

 

[randomvanish]

1.Do implants get loose in contact over time?

wdym?

2.and do implants have to be replaced in our lifetime or can we take them to the grave?

it supposed to be for life. i saw 40 years old chin implants. however, even eppley says unknown. there is no study showing it.

3.many users here seem to he concerned with getting in fights accidentally,and they say implants can be a problem for that, so can peek implants survive fights and accidents?

theoretically, it can cause problems. let's say you got punched in the exact spot they place the screw. it can fracture the surrounding bone.

but I think it can even be extra protection for your face since there will be a solid, extra layer on top of your bone. it can even prevent fracture by impacts. this is only my humble theoretic opinion though.



also, I couldn't find even 1 single case report in the records showing fractures with implants.

 

[FreakkForLife]

theoretically, it can cause problems. let's say you got punched in the exact spot they place the screw. it can fracture the surrounding bone.

but I think it can even be extra protection for your face since there will be a solid, extra layer on top of your bone. it can even prevent fracture by impacts. this is only my humble theoretic opinion thoug

Do the presence of screws increase the risk of fracture than the absence of screws?

 

[randomvanish]

Do the presence of screws increase the risk of fracture than the absence of screws?

presence but this is something I think. not mentioned by surgeons or specialists. i just think by physical sense.

 

[Deleted member 8869]

It's mainly satire. It's just that I paid Taban for a consultation and now got to pay another deposit for Pagnoni just to talk to these mfs.

Lowkey frustrated paying for opinions lol. This guy has helped a tonne of people so I aint mad.

bro dm me quick

 

[FreakkForLife]

presence but this is something I think. not mentioned by surgeons or specialists. i just think by physical sense.

Thanks,do u know of any options for midface lengthenin?
I was recommended lefort 2 downgraft but i have read it's quite incase and not given to non-deformed patients and not for aesthetic reasons.

I want a longer nose ,longer midface while keeping my philtrum the same length

 

[CristianT]

@Jade

Come with arguments

 

[FreakkForLife]

Thanks,do u know of any options for midface lengthenin?
I was recommended lefort 2 downgraft but i have read it's quite incase and not given to non-deformed patients and not for aesthetic reasons.

I want a longer nose ,longer midface while keeping my philtrum the same length

Please help bratan @randomvanish

 

[randomvanish]

Thanks,do u know of any options for midface lengthenin?
I was recommended lefort 2 downgraft but i have read it's quite incase and not given to non-deformed patients and not for aesthetic reasons.

I want a longer nose ,longer midface while keeping my philtrum the same length

Please help bratan @randomvanish

that question needs CT scan and tidy planning. search for custom bimax and talk with a skilled surgeon like ramieri, coceancig, etc.