We never seen a really good eye transformation.

[Deusmaximus]

There are a few jaw transformations from below average to chad tier.
Just like this for example:

But there is no such transformation out there for a eye region.
I feel like it needs to get more research done with combining supraorbital/browridge implant together with fat grafting/filler for upper eyelid and maybe even upper blepheroplasty (to reduce excess skinn without bone support).
We already know this combination from i.o rim implants, together with canthoplasty. Now surgeons need to try this for the upper eyelid region.

Opry is the best example for a very low projecting supraorbital bone and strong lateral bone support which gives him pct brows. Also very little excess skin to cover upper eyelid.

I think we would se a jaw dropping result from combining the eppley face mask implant, together with canthoplasty, brow lift and fat grafting/filler (uee).

 

[manletofpeace81]

salludon

 

[Deleted member 3043]

The best we can do tbh :

But still looks uncanny because no space grafters.

 

[0909090909090909090]

my fucking god opry does not have low supras this forum is so stupid

 

[lutte]

no space grafters

wth is that

 

[Deleted member 3043]

my fucking god opry does not have low supras this forum is so stupid

they r rather low set

 

[Deleted member 3043]

wth is that

will DM documentation when i have time

 

[Madhate]

salludon

he learned how to squint

 

[Mr.cope]

salludon

hes just squinting super hard

 

[Deleted member 10177]

he learned how to squint

No, he did something else.

It's clear he isn't squinting in the second picture.
Black magic tbh ngl

 

[Ocelot]

will DM documentation when i have time

DM me too, I'm interested.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

will DM documentation when i have time

dm me to plz

 

[Deleted member 10185]

No, he did something else.
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It's clear he isn't squinting in the second picture.
Black magic tbh ngl

he had those eyes even before.. He is just squinting very hard.. As you can see in this pic. I can hide my UEE with better camera position.

https://cdn-0.the-great-work.org/ezoimgfmt/i.imgur.com/qTBa38V.png?ezimgfmt=rs:826x438/rscb3/ng:webp/ngcb3

 

[gymislife]

No, he did something else.
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It's clear he isn't squinting in the second picture.
Black magic tbh ngl

He is squinting in the second but despite that he had something done for the UEE

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

No, he did something else.
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It's clear he isn't squinting in the second picture.
Black magic tbh ngl

u can't even see his eyelashes in the after crazy shit ngl

 

[sergeant blackpill]

My eye area mogs because of PCT halo, gonna eyelashmaxx to perfect it.

 

[Madhate]

No, he did something else.
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It's clear he isn't squinting in the second picture.
Black magic tbh ngl

almond eye surgery

 

[MedMaxxing]

The irony is that you can get close to Chad tier lower third far easier than most things but if you don't already have a good eye shape or PFL, it is very hard to fix eye area.

 

[MentalistKebab]

No, he did something else.
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It's clear he isn't squinting in the second picture.
Black magic tbh ngl

Orbital decompression.

Same as kota. They both had good eye transformations

 

[Mastermind]

Eye area is sensible
You need deep set eyes, an above average browridge and little to no scleral show by default in order to ascend it

 

[0909090909090909090]

The irony is that you can get close to Chad tier lower third far easier than most things but if you don't already have a good eye shape or PFL, it is very hard to fix eye area.

undereye?
i honestly lost all hope for my undereyes most inra frim implants i seen look fake af

 

[Mastermind]

undereye?
i honestly lost all hope for my undereyes most inra frim implants i seen look fake af

Orbital rim implants look good as long as you are resolving failos and not attempting to create halos

Fix undereye hollowness/slight scleral show = good results 90% of the time

Compress height to get hunter eyes/reduce too much scleral show at once = plastic abomination

This applies to all surgeries tbh

 

[0909090909090909090]

@Mastermind
really good answer

 

[MedMaxxing]

undereye?
i honestly lost all hope for my undereyes most inra frim implants i seen look fake af

Undereye is nowhere near as important unless it's legitimate death tier (sclera show, extreme hollowness, bulging etc). Plus infraorbital rim implants if done subtle are very good, just don't go overboard. Some people also end up looking decent with simple fat grafts there.

 

[MD_Hopeful69]

@streege explain ur thoughts on spacer graft

 

[Mastermind]

@Mastermind
really good answer

If you were to look at the side profile of patients whose orbital rims ended up looking like shit you will notice a particular detail: their lower maxilla is still recessed

 

[randomuser2407]

Because you need at least 3 eye surgeries to see a difference, Taban's best "before and after" pictures combine 3-4 different eye surgeries. Most people can't afford that.

 

[0909090909090909090]

Undereye is nowhere near as important unless it's legitimate death tier (sclera show, extreme hollowness, bulging etc). Plus infraorbital rim implants if done subtle are very good, just don't go overboard. Some people also end up looking decent with simple fat grafts there.

If you were to look at the side profile of patients whose orbital rims ended up looking like shit you will notice a particular detail: their lower maxilla is still recessed

i got litreally visible veins under my lower eyelid from weak undereye
always had

 

[Mastermind]

i got litreally visible veins under my lower eyelid from weak undereye
always had

Rim implants will save you BUT get a LF2 first if your lower maxilla is recessed as well or else you will end up looking like the 50 yr old surgery addicted women you see on google

Undereye is nowhere near as important unless it's legitimate death tier (sclera show, extreme hollowness, bulging etc). Plus infraorbital rim implants if done subtle are very good, just don't go overboard. Some people also end up looking decent with simple fat grafts there.

Undereye area is extremely important as it is a health indicator, differing from pure dimorphic traits. Undereye hollowing can kill your SMV. Also vertically narrow hunter eyes depend from it.

 

[0909090909090909090]

Rim implants will save you BUT get a LF2 first if your lower maxilla is recessed as well or else you will end up looking like the 50 yr old surgery addicted women you see on google

i think im getting bimax

 

[0909090909090909090]

Rim implants will save you BUT get a LF2 first if your lower maxilla is recessed as well or else you will end up looking like the 50 yr old surgery addicted women you see on google



Undereye area is extremely important as it is a health indicator, differing from pure dimorphic traits. Undereye hollowing can kill your SMV. Also vertically narrow hunter eyes depend from it.

honestly i wanted to get bimax rather than genio only but the more recessed good llooking people i see the more i want to skip bimax tbh

 

[sloopnoob]

will DM documentation when i have time

dm, but almond eye surgery isn't ideal for males. Too feminine and tranny

 

[Mastermind]

honestly i wanted to get bimax rather than genio only but the more recessed good llooking people i see the more i want to skip bimax tbh

Yeah average lower thirds do not ascend from a bimax. It's always extremely recessed people, sfscels and anyone who has a legit death tier jaw.

Still, the lower maxillary advancement is required if you don't want any midface improvement to look like utter shit

 

[Deleted member 3043]

dm, but almond eye surgery isn't ideal for males. Too feminine and tranny

I'll i'm just not home i'll dm the rest too.So what to do then? not touching eyes?

 

[0909090909090909090]

Yeah average lower thirds do not ascend from a bimax. It's always extremely recessed people, sfscels and anyone who has a legit death tier jaw.

Still, the lower maxillary advancement is required if you don't want any midface improvement to look like utter shit

ill see i definitely want chin wing or genio+ jaw implants i may as well stay with my maxilla as it is my biggest problem is jaw, chin and hairline anyway

 

[sloopnoob]

I'll i'm just not home i'll dm the rest too.So what to do then? not touching eyes?

your eye area is fine, brow and supra orbital position is good the little uee you have is not death sentence. But I guess an infraorbital implant that also has vertical component to it to make eyes narrower, botox to make brows lower set(one guy had good results here), orbital decompression if bug eyes, lateral and supra orbital rim implants. That should do be it for eye area if pfl and ipd aren't bad.

 

[Mastermind]

ill see i definitely want chin wing or genio+ jaw implants i may as well stay with my maxilla as it is my biggest problem is jaw, chin and hairline anyway

Do you have a malocclusion? An overbite for example?

 

[sloopnoob]

Hoodmaxxing w/ Botox (Results)

14 units of Botox on the forehead, cost is $9/unit. Treatment received 9/4. I noticed results immediately, but supposedly maximum results come within 10 to 14 days after the treatment. I tried to post a mix of photos that are non-frauded; hopefully I did not fail. before: After:

looksmax.org

@streege simple botox mogs almond eye surgery jfl

 

[0909090909090909090]

Do you have a malocclusion? An overbite for example?

i have no idea what malocclusion is but i dont have overbite

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Hoodmaxxing w/ Botox (Results)

14 units of Botox on the forehead, cost is $9/unit. Treatment received 9/4. I noticed results immediately, but supposedly maximum results come within 10 to 14 days after the treatment. I tried to post a mix of photos that are non-frauded; hopefully I did not fail. before: After:

looksmax.org

@streege simple botox mogs almond eye surgery jfl

insane, but sadly don't last and @Bewusst said it creates issue.
Anything similar for lower eyelid tightening? I've heard botox works also for almond eye in the corner of the eye.

 

[MedMaxxing]

Rim implants will save you BUT get a LF2 first if your lower maxilla is recessed as well or else you will end up looking like the 50 yr old surgery addicted women you see on google



Undereye area is extremely important as it is a health indicator, differing from pure dimorphic traits. Undereye hollowing can kill your SMV. Also vertically narrow hunter eyes depend from it.

I can promise you that the undereye is the least of one's worries unless it's bottom tier. Lower third should always be priority first as well as upper eyelid or tilt based eye stuff. You will see a bigger gain from fixing UEE or lower third recession than you will from "fixing" undereye area.

 

[Mastermind]

i have no idea what malocclusion is but i dont have overbite

Then yours is common maxillary recession and not short face syndrome.

Bimax + genio + orbital rims should be your way out (basically the standard procedure)

 

[sensen]

is putting ice cubes on your eyes everyday just cope or?

 

[0909090909090909090]

Then yours is common maxillary recession and not short face syndrome.

Bimax + genio + orbital rims should be your way out (basically the standard procedure)

doesnt bimax alone move your chin forward?

 

[sloopnoob]

@Bewusst said it creates issue

what issue?

for lower eyelid tightening?

i guess only an infraorbital rim that not only projects horizontally but also vertically and on top of that fat grafts for positive orbital vector. All the mass with implant and fat should stretch out the skin, and since infraorbital implant will have vertical component it will shorten pfh(eppley has such implant that make orbital more compact)

 

[oatmeal]

Eye area is sensible
You need deep set eyes, an above average browridge and little to no scleral show by default in order to ascend it

you would already have an above-average eye area with these though, wouldn't you?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

what issue?

i guess only an infraorbital rim that not only projects horizontally but also vertically and on top of that fat grafts for positive orbital vector. All the mass with implant and fat should stretch out the skin, and since infraorbital implant will have vertical component it will shorten pfh(eppley has such implant that make orbital more compact)

Botulism.

Damn, Taban told me that his IOI don't affect at all the front unless very shallow UES, but not for tightening lower eyelid.

 

[Mastermind]

I can promise you that the undereye is the least of one's worries unless it's bottom tier. Lower third should always be priority first as well as upper eyelid or tilt based eye stuff. You will see a bigger gain from fixing UEE or lower third recession than you will from "fixing" undereye area.

That's why you should not get orbital rim implants if you do not manifest recession signs (no hollowing, scleral show).

At that point you are attempting to create a halo and that will result in a plastic look

 

[Mastermind]

you would already have an above-average eye area with these though, wouldn't you?

Yes definitely, what I'm saying is that improvements are gradual and relative to what you had before.

You can not go from under average to O'Pry level. Also attempting to go from average to above is not advisable as well unless you really know what you're doing.

Salludon is a good example from what I've seen

 

[sloopnoob]

Taban told me that his IOI don't affect at all the front unless very shallow UES, but not for tightening lower eyelid.

I guess that's because Taban doesn't do custom implant and uses off the shelf implants. Implants make eyes shorter is very well just speculation on my part but I don't see why it won't do it. Check Eppley's post on IOI that change height.

Plastic Surgery Case Study - Vertical Heightening Custom Infraorbital Rim Implants - Explore Plastic Surgery

The vertical heightening style of Infraorbital rim implants decreases the vertical inter orbital distance.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

If the implants didn't make eyes narrower why would Eppley even do them and make the case that some people might need vertical height in implants.