What a "wide head" actually is

[Klasik616]

That's not what I meant. Turbomanletism is much more brutal than being moonfaced. I meant being 5'6-5'10 is less brutal than the difference between these two images:

Understood. I answered my own question soon after asking it. Interfrontotemporale:interpterion should be 1. If noticeably <1, you get the moonface look. If noticeably >1, the proportion between your interfrontotemporale breadth and the widest part of your neurocranium will get skewed.

In these images, the interfrontotemporale:interpterion ratio remained intact, but his posterior neurocranium was narrowed.

I was looking into the lateral insertion point of the palpebral fissure but gave up. If it inserts near the orbitale, then a narrow interorbitale breadth is what cucks someone's PFL. Otherwise, interorbitale breadth is useless like you said.

To an extent, yes. However, the original facial width idea I mentioned in this thread was closer to it. Interporion = inter-temples. IDT interorbitale was really significant in the discussion in that thread

I agree with you. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this info. Can't formulate a proper conclusion rn

She looks like Michael Jackson in this morph

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She looks hyper-fishfaced because of her PFL. Brutal

Yes. Good point.

Two comments:
1. The ICD:IPD ratio should really be ICD:bizygomaitc or ICD:interporion/inter-temples(the reason I invoked the entire topic of interporion distance is because bi-temple breadth seems to be defined by it...it may not be tbh)
2. Type II also cucks your PFL, as mentioned by @mvp2v1 in one of his threads:

I think splitting it into types is pseudo-sophistication, however. Spacially close-set orbitals simply means having a low interorbital breadth. Does it really have anything to do with the moonface look in itself? I think, like you said, interorbitale:bizygomatic is a relatively trash ratio.

Actually useful info. Explains why my face looks bigger and wider after getting a haircut.

 

[AscendingHero]

The "wide head and close set eyes" bloated/moonface look is caused by there being lots of space between the outer corners of the eyes and the sides of the head:

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Original Photo:
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Narrower Head:
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Wider IPD and OCD:
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See how she has less of the ugly-ass "wide head" look even though her head is the same width.

Great post

What's the ideal OCD to Bizygomatic ratio for peak aesthetics for male and female respectively would you say? And how ideally should OCD harmonize with IPD/ICD?

Ideal female head width? (eurion to eurion), she loses some neoteny with a more dolicho head shape

Great to see you back like this @thecel, we missed you

 

[thecel]

Ariana Grande is a narrow-orbit wide-head subhuman:

Looks way better morphed with a narrower head and wider orbits:

Ariana Grande Supermodel Morph (High Effort)

Original: Morph:

looksmax.org

 

[AscendingHero]

Ariana Grande is a narrow-orbit wide-head subhuman:

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Looks way better morphed with a narrower head and wider orbits:

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Ariana Grande Supermodel Morph (High Effort)

Original: Morph:

looksmax.org

Beautiful morph, looks like J'lo now, looks like those vintage models-A list actress sex symbol foggers lol

What application did you use to morph?

 

[AscendingHero]

Ariana Grande is a narrow-orbit wide-head subhuman:

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Looks way better morphed with a narrower head and wider orbits:

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Ariana Grande Supermodel Morph (High Effort)

Original: Morph:

looksmax.org

Is Ariana Grande brachy/meso, or just has brachy traits (wide eurions/temporals)?

 

[mandiblade]

What application did you use to morph?

He uses GIMP for manual edits but I saw a few faceapp morphs of his. This specific morph was GIMP tho

Is Ariana Grande brachy/meso, or just has brachy traits (wide eurions/temporals)?

I estimate that her cephalic index is about 78 using the iris method, so meso.

Spoiler: Just for fun

 

[AscendingHero]

I estimate that her cephalic index is about 78 using the iris method, so meso.

How do you use the iris method to measure cephalic index from these type of non birds eye view pic?

Also who are you bro, definitely not a regular greycel?

 

[mandiblade]

How do you use the iris method to measure cephalic index from these type of non birds eye view pic?

With the 2nd pic, I measured how many pixels her irises were then checked how many pixels her bi-eurial was and divided the latter by the former then multiplied it by 12. That was her cranial breadth.

With the 1st pic, I guessed how tall her irises were, got the pixels, did the same for her cranial depth, and did the calculations.

Idk what happened but I got different numbers now. Now it's 70.6, so doli.

I think that I did some hokey pokey broscience with her facial height instead of her iris diameter last time. I don't really remember tho

Also who are you bro, definitely not a regular greycel?

I answered this in another post, but I'll say it again. It's this simple:

Spoiler: Answer

 

[ostri99]

 

[ostri99]

improvement, yet still not enough. needs obo and eppley skull shaving. lifefuel eppley removes the muscle

 

[Deleted member 207880]

It’s all about circumference above the ears the largest point of the skull. Big skull and wide face are two different measurements.

 

[Lookologist003]

This is what having a low temporal plane angle feels like. That face when even your FACE rejects you

Also, for context

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

 

[Klasik616]

This is what having a low temporal plane angle feels like. That face when even your FACE rejects you

Also, for context

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

 

[AscendingHero]

The "wide head and close set eyes" bloated/moonface look is caused by there being lots of space between the outer corners of the eyes and the sides of the head:

View attachment 3732640

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Original Photo:
View attachment 3732629

Narrower Head:
View attachment 3732644

Wider IPD and OCD:
View attachment 3732651

See how she has less of the ugly-ass "wide head" look even though her head is the same width.

Damn Kirk as an example used before.... nvm...

 

[Lookologist003]

Damn Kirk as an example used before.... nvm...

Yeah man. Talk about coincidences.

But Kirk was just an interesting face to discuss. No politics came into this. We could have used any celebrity, but as it turns out Kirk has a high temporal plane angle enough that it made his face subject in our debate and learning or the development of our models of attractiveness. @thecel has a mental list of interesting faces like Jack Ma, and Kirk, or Tu Pac, and he makes them examples constantly. What makes them so interesting is that some ratio of their face must be really off the mark, like a few standard deviations at least.

This might be the most scientific use of a persons likeness. If you tried to write about craniofacial plane angles in a book, and that book sold for money and became popular, you'd probably get sued because of US laws about a persons likeness, like Kirk's bereaved wife would fancy that for the cost of the wedding of her next husband, or just her new Porsche. That happened to people trying to use Einstien's likeness a few times in advertisements a lifetime ago. In some Jewish library or university, a Jewish guy protects his likeness from appearing in unsavory commercials like for cigarettes and casinos and shit.

 

[gigacumster3000]

look at you, even using apple emojis, pathetic. A wide head isn't just about size or shape - it's a whole vibe and energy that radiates from the face itself. If your skull looks like an overgrown egg on someone else's shoulders they have 3D glasses, trust me i know lol.. Wide heads typically have sunken eyes too cuz of course, its inbred genes showing through so obviously you get my point right? A real lookmaximizer knows what im talking about - the rest are basic noobs just lol skimming surface level posts like a standard internet lurker. Go back to your 2018 reddit threads where this shit makes sense because here it's an entire philosophy, kiddo