What a "wide head" actually is

[Klasik616]

Is not the size, and (surprisingly) not the shape.

It's the measured distance between zygos and gonions

Normal FWHR but face still feels wide asf

If you draw a line in her gonions, the first pic will be curved while the second one will be straight.

my head kinda looks like this but not this bad

The distance between his gonions is above average but the space between eyes and temples is pretty small so he doesn't look like he has a wide face. In other words, wide zygos might make your face look bloated. Not enough proof? See this:

Henry has a wide face, "muh tall skull" nope. His face still looks wide despite having a big forehead because his gonions are too separated from each other while his zygos are ok. Your eyes can actually measure 3d objects, if someone's face was in 2 dimensions you wouldn't feel how "wide" it is.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

 

[Klasik616]

Cut your face and ascend theory

New surgery to change face shape (wide face to narrow)

https://looksmax.org/threads/blocky-head-cels-come-here-theres-a-new-surgery-for-us.1440275/#post-20805933 Masseter muscle removal (not buccal fat removal), this is not jaw shaving because jaw surgery is too invasive and dangerous. Good if you have a wide face like me (if your head is narrow...

looksmax.org

Lifefuel

 

[thecel]

The "wide head and close set eyes" bloated/moonface look is caused by there being lots of space between the outer corners of the eyes and the sides of the head:

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Original Photo:

Narrower Head:

Wider IPD and OCD:

See how she has less of the ugly-ass "wide head" look even though her head is the same width.

 

[Klasik616]

The "wide head and close set eyes" bloated/moonface look is caused by there being lots of space between the outer corners of the eyes and the sides of the head:

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Original Photo:
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Narrower Head:
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Wider IPD and OCD:
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See how she has less of the ugly-ass "wide head" look even though her head is the same width.

Yes that's what I'm trying to say it was always the moon face effect not the FWHR. Many skulls are tall but still look wide, those are big skulls. FWHR is officially debunked.

 

[Lookologist003]

Calling it "moon face" is like a big insult. That's 100% because of the moon emoji on Apple Iphones.

I guess this emoji is funny because it's subhuman.

 

[Klasik616]

Calling it "moon face" is like a big insult. That's 100% because of the moon emoji on Apple Iphones.

I guess this emoji is funny because it's subhuman.

Skull is everything: above (incel), below (has a girlfriend).

 

[Lookologist003]

The "wide head and close set eyes" bloated/moonface look is caused by there being lots of space between the outer corners of the eyes and the sides of the head:

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Original Photo:
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Narrower Head:
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Wider IPD and OCD:
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See how she has less of the ugly-ass "wide head" look even though her head is the same width.

It's ESR basically

 

[thecel]

Calling it "moon face" is like a big insult. That's 100% because of the moon emoji on Apple Iphones.

I guess this emoji is funny because it's subhuman.

 

[thecel]

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Skull is everything: above (incel), below (has a girlfriend).
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he can get that change by losing body fat?

 

[Klasik616]

he can get that change by losing body fat?

Impossible you need to cut masseter muscles and even jaw if needed.

 

[Lookologist003]

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[Klasik616]

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Low set cheekbones failo

 

[Lookologist003]

Impossible you need to cut masseter muscles and even jaw if needed.

Do you think it's just thick masseters? That guys lower face is too wide. Botox might help if its so

 

[Xangsane is SHIT]

Is not the size, and (surprisingly) not the shape.

The "wide head and close set eyes" bloated/moonface look is caused by there being lots of space between the outer corners of the eyes and the sides of the head:

You guys are almost there. It's the angle of the orbits and zygos.

This is rather nebulous and hard to boil down to one trait, but this is probably the best I can do. Basically, you need to have forward growth on the lateral edges of your face, and the anterior part of your face needs to be wide. Or in other words, the forward projection of your lateral zygos/lateral orbital rims should be as close as possible to the medial parts, same applies to the zygos.

 

[Xangsane is SHIT]

@Lookologist003 thoughts?

 

[Klasik616]

You guys are almost there. It's the angle of the orbits and zygos.
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This is rather nebulous and hard to boil down to one trait, but this is probably the best I can do. Basically, you need to have forward growth on the lateral edges of your face, and the anterior part of your face needs to be wide. Or in other words, the forward projection of your lateral zygos/lateral orbital rims should be as close as possible to the medial parts, same applies to the zygos.

I have a round face shape, my zygos look too far apart from the front and my jaw is wide too but the main problem is zygos. I wanted to have a rectangular face shape.

 

[thecel]

You guys are almost there. It's the angle of the orbits and zygos.
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This is rather nebulous and hard to boil down to one trait, but this is probably the best I can do. Basically, you need to have forward growth on the lateral edges of your face, and the anterior part of your face needs to be wide. Or in other words, the forward projection of your lateral zygos/lateral orbital rims should be as close as possible to the medial parts, same applies to the zygos.

Good insight, brother. I thought about it angularly too before. The angles of the zygomatic processes should ideally be almost parallel (slightly inward tapering).

Pronounced inward taper is bad. Optimal is around 10º–15º degrees (per zygo) of inward taper depending on skull width. Your morph has 7º–9º degrees on each zygo. Low angles like that look good on narrow skulls, and angles up to 15º harmonize with wide skulls.

 

[first snow]

You guys are almost there. It's the angle of the orbits and zygos.
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This is rather nebulous and hard to boil down to one trait, but this is probably the best I can do. Basically, you need to have forward growth on the lateral edges of your face, and the anterior part of your face needs to be wide. Or in other words, the forward projection of your lateral zygos/lateral orbital rims should be as close as possible to the medial parts, same applies to the zygos.

PLS +1 cranial base

 

[Xangsane is SHIT]

Good insight, brother. I thought about it angularly too before. The angles of the zygomatic processes should ideally be almost parallel (slightly inward tapering).

Pronounced inward taper is bad. Optimal is around 10º–15º degrees (per zygo) of inward taper. Your morph has 7º–9º degrees on each zygo. I think a bit more inwards looks more natural.

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As close to zero is ideal and when I see a woman who has that irl (1 in 1000) my dick gets hard

 

[Klasik616]

Good insight, brother. I thought about it angularly too before. The angles of the zygomatic processes should ideally be almost parallel (slightly inward tapering).

Pronounced inward taper is bad. Optimal is around 10º–15º degrees (per zygo) of inward taper depending on skull width. Your morph has 7º–9º degrees on each zygo. Low angles like that look good on narrow skulls, and angles up to 15º harmonize with wide skulls.

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I like this, I feel like we are connecting perception with science to demonstrate what people mean when they see a wide face. I think I had it wrong all the time.

 

[first snow]

Good insight, brother. I thought about it angularly too before. The angles of the zygomatic processes should ideally be almost parallel (slightly inward tapering).

Pronounced inward taper is bad. Optimal is around 10º–15º degrees (per zygo) of inward taper depending on skull width. Your morph has 7º–9º degrees on each zygo. Low angles like that look good on narrow skulls, and angles up to 15º harmonize with wide skulls.

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[Xangsane is SHIT]

PLS +1 cranial base

PLS stands for partial least square btw and is a statistical analysis thing. Those 3D images are like composites of sorts. PLS 1 is just from the first plot, there's like 3 more in the study. Most of it goes over my head but I thought I'd clarify.

 

[thecel]

As close to zero is ideal and when I see a woman who has that irl (1 in 1000) my dick gets hard

true. I edited the post because you're right that low angles can look good, as long as the head is narrow

Pronounced inward taper is bad. Optimal is around 10º–15º degrees (per zygo) of inward taper depending on skull width. Your morph has 7º–9º degrees on each zygo. Low angles like that look good on narrow skulls, and angles up to 15º harmonize with wide skulls.

 

[Xangsane is SHIT]

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The one on the right isn't even technically human it's mid-pleistocene hominin.

 

[thecel]

when I see a woman who has that irl (1 in 1000) my dick gets hard

 

[first snow]

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holy pheno failo

 

[thecel]

The one on the right isn't even technically human it's mid-pleistocene hominin.
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PLS2 looks like it’s downward growth brachy vs forward growth dolicho

PLS3 looks like it’s African/Caucasian vs East Asian

 

[first snow]

As close to zero is ideal and when I see a woman who has that irl (1 in 1000) my dick gets hard

 

[thecel]

holy pheno failo

she looks extremely sexy to me

 

[Klasik616]

holy pheno failo

It's just the mouth area

 

[thecel]

You guys are almost there. It's the angle of the orbits and zygos.
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This is rather nebulous and hard to boil down to one trait, but this is probably the best I can do. Basically, you need to have forward growth on the lateral edges of your face, and the anterior part of your face needs to be wide. Or in other words, the forward projection of your lateral zygos/lateral orbital rims should be as close as possible to the medial parts, same applies to the zygos.

I think the flat orbital angle in your morph gives a Mongoloid look to the eye area.

This is better imo:

Do you agree?

 

[LTNUser]

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Jfl

 

[Xangsane is SHIT]

I think the flat orbital angle in your morph gives a Mongoloid look to the eye area.

I think you're right. I looked through my folder and I realized I could not find a single person with a totally flat forehead spare some aboriginal australian men.

But flatter and wider orbits generally look better.

Also check DM.

 

[Lookologist003]

You guys are almost there. It's the angle of the orbits and zygos.
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This is rather nebulous and hard to boil down to one trait, but this is probably the best I can do. Basically, you need to have forward growth on the lateral edges of your face, and the anterior part of your face needs to be wide. Or in other words, the forward projection of your lateral zygos/lateral orbital rims should be as close as possible to the medial parts, same applies to the zygos.

It's an effect of ESR. Don't over complicate it.

 

[truthhurts]

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[Xangsane is SHIT]

It's an effect of ESR. Don't over complicate it.

No, ESR is an effect of what I've described. You can have high ESR and retruded lateral orbital rims.

 

[thecel]

@Xangsane is SHIT

Flat Orbits:

Downward and Outward Angled Orbits:

"Forward-grown lateral orbital rims" are so overrated by copers here. For Caucasoid eye area, the outer orbital rims gotta be a fair distance backwards-set from the inner ones.

 

[anthony111553]

keep coping, fwhr is law

 

[Lookologist003]

No, ESR is an effect of what I've described. You can have high ESR and retruded lateral orbital rims.

Yes... but the wide head thingy is caused by low ESR.

 

[anthony111553]

i just don't like green eyes on girls

 

[thecel]

@Xangsane is SHIT @Lookologist003

This is what happens when you fall for muh "straight boxy orbital" PSL meme, getting an implant that makes your brow ridge go straight across:

Looks a bit uncanny.

Morph to improve it:

 

[Xangsane is SHIT]

@Xangsane is SHIT @Lookologist003

This is what happens when you fall for muh "straight boxy orbital" PSL meme, getting an implant that makes your brow ridge go straight across:

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Looks a bit uncanny.

Morph to improve it:

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It looks good if the rest of your bones match, he also just has narrow eyebrows.

 

[thecel]

It looks good if the rest of your bones match, he also just has narrow eyebrows.
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the rest of their bones match but they don't even look good overall

 

[Klasik616]

Actually Valeria has that typical castiza look in her face just way more anglo than spanish or native (prob only 5-10%). Meanwhile Adriana Lima can pass as a mestiza in her young pics, she has that "jungle girl" look which looks cute.

Other stacies like Ana Paula Arosio look totally european, I can't see an ethnic feature on her face not even a bit which means 0% native american, I thought she wasn't from Brazil.

 

[FiendFiend]

Is not the size, and (surprisingly) not the shape.
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It's the measured distance between zygos and gonions
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Normal FWHR but face still feels wide asf
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If you draw a line in her gonions, the first pic will be curved while the second one will be straight.
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my head kinda looks like this but not this bad
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The distance between his gonions is above average but the space between eyes and temples is pretty small so he doesn't look like he has a wide face. In other words, wide zygos might make your face look bloated. Not enough proof? See this:
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Henry has a wide face, "muh tall skull" nope. His face still looks wide despite having a big forehead because his gonions are too separated from each other while his zygos are ok. Your eyes can actually measure 3d objects, if someone's face was in 2 dimensions you wouldn't feel how "wide" it is.

wude face looks very good if u have low bf% usually. This is cope. Just put the fork down. If first bitch put the fork down or she may have had filler and didnt look like such a butter face, she would look better

 

[Klasik616]

wude face looks very good if u have low bf% usually. This is cope. Just put the fork down. If first bitch put the fork down or she may have had filler and didnt look like such a butter face, she would look better

"Leanmaxxing" is a meme, wide faces can look better lean but they still look wide just not as subhuman when you're fat. The fat only covers bones when you're literally obese.

 

[thecel]

gave her a proper jaw

ascended her from a girl to a woman

 

[truthhurts]

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gave her a proper jaw

Looks more balanced,
Original pic is already slightly morphed. Eye area got done

 

[Klasik616]

Looks more balanced,
Original pic is already slightly morphed. Eye area got done

It's gigamorphed she's htb at best IRL completely overrated foid her prime is gone.