What can I do to be above average?

[CLO1]

I'm very average looking but I don't want to be just average anymore.

I'm not sure if I would see the most improvement from some type of jaw surgery/implant or something that would improve my midface/eye area.

I know my nose needs work, I'm looking into that. And my hairline I'm on fin, microneedling once a week and using min twice a day so hopefully that will improve.

I'm sick of being average looking. I don't feel good about the way I look and have always struggled with the confidence the way I look. I don't want to feel that way anymore.

What should I do to ascend as much as I can?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Hair transplant and jaw implants will make you above average.

 

[Deleted member 14978]

You have a good base.

 

[germanlooks]

Something about your eyebrows looks weird. They look painted on because of the low density and unnaturally perfect shape

 

[mortis]

You wouldn't be average in the country I live, you would be below tbh.
You need Lower hairline
You need much better browridge
Better and more defined orbitals
New forehead shape
A new nose
More forward maxilla to get rid of folds(can fraud with fillers to hide folds )
More angular Lower third
Also fuller upper lip for a better side profile
also your ratios are good.

 

[Everest]

You have a good base.

He has a noticeably asymmetrical face, nasolobial folds and poor facial projection amongst other issues.
These problems are what I'd call "unfixable failos" as they diminish your looksmaxxing potential and are generally only solvable though hardmaxxing.

He may be able to achieve "above average" through surgery and other looksmaxxes, however I'd hardly call his base good. He's starting off with a poor base, so he should keep his expectations realistic.

 

[Deleted member 14478]

I'm very average looking but I don't want to be just average anymore.

I'm not sure if I would see the most improvement from some type of jaw surgery/implant or something that would improve my midface/eye area.

I know my nose needs work, I'm looking into that. And my hairline I'm on fin, microneedling once a week and using min twice a day so hopefully that will improve.

I'm sick of being average looking. I don't feel good about the way I look and have always struggled with the confidence the way I look. I don't want to feel that way anymore.

What should I do to ascend as much as I can?

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You look a bit like Jack Grealish
As the others said focus on hairline first and then you should do hardmaxxes
How tall are you btw

 

[CLO1]

You wouldn't be average in the country I live, you would be below tbh.
You need Lower hairline
You need much better browridge
Better and more defined orbitals
New forehead shape
A new nose
More forward maxilla to get rid of folds(can fraud with fillers to hide folds )
More angular Lower third
Also fuller upper lip for a better side profile
also your ratios are good.

I feel like you meant my ratios aren't good?

What would I benefit most from fixing and what would be the best way to fix it?

He has a noticeably asymmetrical face, nasolobial folds and poor facial projection amongst other issues.
These problems are what I'd call "unfixable failos" as they diminish your looksmaxxing potential and are generally only solvable though hardmaxxing.

He may be able to achieve "above average" through surgery and other looksmaxxes, however I'd hardly call his base good. He's starting off with a poor base, so he should keep his expectations realistic.

So what things should I get done to improve? If I'm being honest, I hate the way I look and for once in my life would love to be the clearly good looking guy in the room. I appreciate you giving it to me straight. Can you in a straight forward way tell me what fixes would lead to the best improvements and what procedures I should get to fix them?

You look a bit like Jack Grealish
As the others said focus on hairline first and then you should do hardmaxxes
How tall are you btw

What hardmaxxes?

I'm 5'11"

 

[mortis]

I feel like you meant my ratios aren't good?

What would I benefit most from fixing and what would be the best way to fix it?



So what things should I get done to improve? If I'm being honest, I hate the way I look and for once in my life would love to be the clearly good looking guy in the room. I appreciate you giving it to me straight. Can you in a straight forward way tell me what fixes would lead to the best improvements and what procedures I should get to fix them?



What hardmaxxes?

I'm 5'11"

No I meant your ratios are your strong point, ask for other users who know more+ in detailed about surgeries tbh, I only know the main stuff that everybody knows.

 

[Deleted member 6380]

Grow your hair out...

 

[Danish_Retard]

Implants, genio or filler for your chin.
Hair transplant would do you good, I would suggest you at least grow it more out for now.

You could also easily get away with using contacts to get blue eyes.

 

[Laikyn]

I'm very average looking but I don't want to be just average anymore.

I'm not sure if I would see the most improvement from some type of jaw surgery/implant or something that would improve my midface/eye area.

I know my nose needs work, I'm looking into that. And my hairline I'm on fin, microneedling once a week and using min twice a day so hopefully that will improve.

I'm sick of being average looking. I don't feel good about the way I look and have always struggled with the confidence the way I look. I don't want to feel that way anymore.

What should I do to ascend as much as I can?

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eyebrow/lash max
dye ur brows
and apply castor oil on lashes and brows
and stop shaping them so gay

 

[CLO1]

Implants, genio or filler for your chin.
Hair transplant would do you good, I would suggest you at least grow it more out for now.

You could also easily get away with using contacts to get blue eyes.

What is lacking with my chin so I can understand what I would need an implant or filler to accomplish to look better?

If I can avoid having serious jaw surgeries I'd like to, I don't know much about them, but they look extremely invasive, likely extremely expensive, I'd imagine the recovery is pretty brutal, and I don't think you can really control the way the results look at all, whereas with implants, the recovery seems not too bad and you have much more control of at least input as to what the outcome will be like

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

You wouldn't be average in the country I live, you would be below tbh.
You need Lower hairline
You need much better browridge
Better and more defined orbitals
New forehead shape
A new nose
More forward maxilla to get rid of folds(can fraud with fillers to hide folds )
More angular Lower third
Also fuller upper lip for a better side profile
also your ratios are good.

Below? Stfu with your lying ass bs hes face is above average with his pheno

 

[mortis]

Below? Stfu with your lying ass bs hes face is above average with his pheno

his got construction working class pheno with melthing face, and if you think calling him above average would calm your ego i have a bad news for you, you are probably below average too. most people are ugly or just plain average, but almost 99% of the population consider themselvs as above average becausue evolution made us think that way to boost our ego, stay strong and reproduce.
edit: examples of an above average white male or chadlite/htn( 5 psl and above). its rare to find someone that is actually above average.

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

his got construction working class pheno with melthing face, and if you think calling him above average would calm your ego i have a bad news for you, you are probably below average too. most people are ugly or just plain average, but almost 99% of the population consider themselvs as above average becausue evolution made us think that way to boost our ego, stay strong and reproduce.
edit: examples of an above average white male or chadlite/htn( 5 psl and above). its rare to find someone that is actually above average.

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You are delusional thats it probably the same type of guy who says that everyone outside is 180+Cm you retardcel

 

[mortis]

You are delusional thats it probably the same type of guy who says that everyone outside is 180+Cm you retardcel

60% of the zoomers are around 180 cm,the rest is either shorter or taller than 6'1. it seems like not only you are below average facially, but you are also a manlet

 

[Xangsane]

his got construction working class pheno with melthing face, and if you think calling him above average would calm your ego i have a bad news for you, you are probably below average too. most people are ugly or just plain average, but almost 99% of the population consider themselvs as above average becausue evolution made us think that way to boost our ego, stay strong and reproduce.
edit: examples of an above average white male or chadlite/htn( 5 psl and above). its rare to find someone that is actually above average.

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2nd looks psl 6

 

[mortis]

2nd looks psl 6

yeah he is chad imo, most here would say he is a chadlite tho because of his not alien like bones.

 

[Xangsane]

yeah he is chad imo, most here would say he is a chadlite tho because of his not alien like bones.

Who is this

 

[mortis]

Who is this

Who is this

idk tbh, i had him in my old files .

 

[Xangsane]

idk tbh, i had him in my old files .

His name is baljeet

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

60% of the zoomers are around 180 cm,the rest is either shorter or taller than 6'1. it seems like not only you are below average facially, but you are also a manlet

Cope im living in germany you retard go outside jfl for thinking 60% are 180+cm just stfu

 

[mortis]

Cope im living in germany you retard go outside jfl for thinking 60% are 180+cm just stfu

why you talk like an angry frustrated incel its so funny before covid we used to go to university insted of this online class bullshit, in food line most guys were on average 6'1 and there was usually 100 different students in the line every day. i saw zoomer students who were on average 180cm+ every single day my whole university life, maybe i should move to germany i would be a tall guy there who knows.

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

why you talk like an angry frustrated incel its so funny before covid we used to go to university insted of this online class bullshit, in food line most guys were on average 6'1 and there was usually 100 different students in the line every day. i saw zoomer students who were on average 180cm+ every single day my whole university life, maybe i should move to germany i would be a tall guy there who knows.

Cause ur lying and being delusional

 

[mortis]

Cause ur lying and being delusional

how do i benefit from lying to online strangers online you legit have some problem just log off and rest tbh you need some sleep.

 

[Uglyandfat]

how do i benefit from lying to online strangers online you legit have some problem just log off and rest tbh you need some sleep.

depends on region ofc I live in la and its a high Mexican population so its a mix of like really short and really tall

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

how do i benefit from lying to online strangers online you legit have some problem just log off and rest tbh you need some sleep.

Stfu with your lying ass.

 

[mortis]

depends on region ofc I live in la and its a high Mexican population so its a mix of like really short and really tall

i don't really know about mexicans tbh, you are overall right tho.

Stfu with your lying ass.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

why you talk like an angry frustrated incel its so funny before covid we used to go to university insted of this online class bullshit, in food line most guys were on average 6'1 and there was usually 100 different students in the line every day. i saw zoomer students who were on average 180cm+ every single day my whole university life, maybe i should move to germany i would be a tall guy there who knows.

where do you live and how often you see 5'7-5'9 manlets ? asking for a @subhuman incel
since he is only 174 cm and saying its a decent height lol at him

 

[mortis]

where do you live and how often you see 5'7-5'9 manlets ? asking for a @subhuman incel
since he is only 174 cm and saying its a decent height lol at him

iran,almost all older generations are around that height here, on zoomers is also common around 20%, its not decent its borderline bottom of the barrel.

 

[CLO1]

Below? Stfu with your lying ass bs hes face is above average with his pheno

Sorry what's pheno?

Still looking to get some answers on what surgeries I could get that would really improve my looks and which would be the best bang for my buck??

 

[Deleted member 5786]

iran,almost all older generations are around that height here, on zoomers is also common around 20%, its not decent its borderline bottom of the barrel.

whats decent height imo, not short not tall
@subhuman incel tell him

 

[subhuman incel]

whats decent height imo, not short not tall
@subhuman incel tell him

165cm

 

[mortis]

165cm

Even foids are taller than that jfl

 

[JawGuyFatFaceGuy]

Sorry what's pheno?

Still looking to get some answers on what surgeries I could get that would really improve my looks and which would be the best bang for my buck??

Pheno is like the way you overall look,looking white,looking indian,etc you look white which is arguably the best one to be.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

Even foids are taller than that jfl

@subhuman incel

 

[subhuman incel]

Even foids are taller than that jfl

so what? foids like being dominated by smaller men @OldVirgin

 

[CLO1]

Pheno is like the way you overall look,looking white,looking indian,etc you look white which is arguably the best one to be.

ooo gotcha thanks

Any suggestions/ideas on what I could do to stop being so damn average looking?

Completely open to the idea of surgery. Besides my nose, which I have to go back to my surgeon for, I always figured a wraparound jaw implant would be best for me but maybe something that would improve my midface or eye area would actually be best?

I don't know, but I'm really sick of just being the average looking guy. I want to do something about it

 

[Deleted member 5786]

Even foids are taller than that jfl

there was study proven women would prefer 5'9 wide framed muscular stallone over lanky chico for ONS, what do you think?
@subhuman incel

 

[subhuman incel]

there was study proven women would prefer 5'9 wide framed muscular stallone over lanky chico for ONS, what do you think?
@subhuman incel

i am perfect height

 

[Deleted member 5786]

i am perfect height

 

[grimy]

Since you are norwooding, never leave your hairline exposed like that. Transplant or cover it with different hairstyle. Other than that, just rhino.

 

[CLO1]

Since you are norwooding, never leave your hairline exposed like that. Transplant or cover it with different hairstyle. Other than that, just rhino.

I'm definitely working on my hairline. Fin, min, microneedling. Will look into transplant soon also.

Nose can probably only be fixed so much. Thick skin and lots of scar tissue unfortunately.

But there are obviously other reasons, structurally, that I am not more than just a average looking dude.

What can I fix or have improved that will make me not just average looking but a really good looking guy? I'm never going to be male model good looking but if I could improve my overall looks to a point where I walk in a room and people notice me, I want to seriously consider it

 

[grimy]

You wouldn't be average in the country I live, you would be below tbh.
You need Lower hairline
You need much better browridge
Better and more defined orbitals
New forehead shape
A new nose
More forward maxilla to get rid of folds(can fraud with fillers to hide folds )
More angular Lower third
Also fuller upper lip for a better side profile
also your ratios are good.

What can I fix or have improved that will make me not just average looking but a really good looking guy? I'm never going to be male model good looking but if I could improve my overall looks to a point where I walk in a room and people notice me, I want to seriously consider it

Well in that case, this guy summed it up for you pretty well. Hair & nose need to be addressed first imo

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

I'm very average looking but I don't want to be just average anymore.

I'm not sure if I would see the most improvement from some type of jaw surgery/implant or something that would improve my midface/eye area.

I know my nose needs work, I'm looking into that. And my hairline I'm on fin, microneedling once a week and using min twice a day so hopefully that will improve.

I'm sick of being average looking. I don't feel good about the way I look and have always struggled with the confidence the way I look. I don't want to feel that way anymore.

What should I do to ascend as much as I can?

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Hair transplant + thicker brows

 

[CLO1]

Well in that case, this guy summed it up for you pretty well. Hair & nose need to be addressed first imo

Hair transplant + thicker brows

I would really improve most from that and not some type of wrap around jaw implant or some type of midface/eye area surgery?

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

I would really improve most from that and not some type of wrap around jaw implant or some type of midface/eye area surgery?

Eye surgery is a pipe dream in most cases, wrap around jaw implant is legit. Good luck finding a surgeon to willingly operate on your midface though.

Reason why I say hair is because your hairline is too high + your forehead shape is unideal cannot take the brunt of norwooding you look like ur in your late 30's from it, a lower youthful hairline would take 10 years of your percieved age.
The appearance of your eye area will be benefited with thicker brows which inst farfetched

 

[delta7]

Starve yourself to Richard Ramirez levels and you can reach Chadlite. When you are that lean and the bones pop out of your face, your assymetries will be ignored

 

[CLO1]

Eye surgery is a pipe dream in most cases, wrap around jaw implant is legit. Good luck finding a surgeon to willingly operate on your midface though.

Reason why I say hair is because your hairline is too high + your forehead shape is unideal cannot take the brunt of norwooding you look like ur in your late 30's from it, a lower youthful hairline would take 10 years of your percieved age.
The appearance of your eye area will be benefited with thicker brows which inst farfetched

Appreciate the response

When I say eye surgery I was talking about things I've seen mentioned like decompression, infraorbital implants, canthlopalsty, etc. Not sure if any of those would really benefit me specifically but if there is a surgery in that category.

When I say midface, I guess I'm more specifically talking about cheek implants, but I've also seen midface implants on Eppley's instagram I think.

Interesting you say I look late 30s, I've recently been told I look younger than I am. But yea obviously my hairline is not great anymore. For now, I'm taking fin, and collagen daily. Min twice a day and microneedling once a week. Is there a surgeon or 2 or 3 that are considered the best in the US for hairline transplants?