What causes a recessed maxilla?

[looks>books]

what leads to a good one?

What leads to good bone growth in general?

Lifestyle or habits or both?

 

[2marc1]

everything

 

[testosterone36]

poor tongue posture contributes to bad facial development even if you have the right hormones

tongue tie will cause you to be recessed and you’ll never find out why you’re recessed because there’s no info about it online

hormones is one of the biggest factors
having consistent levels of test preferably on the higher end of the scale will give you the best facial development but the other 2 factors have to contribute to it as well

 

[Scriggan]

@zemult what do you think

 

[Newday*V3]

Breastfeeding, malnutrition and a genetic predisposition ratio of jaw/maxilla growth, for example whites have a greater projected nasal spine that automatically gives them a mogger maxilla, meanwhile orientals don’t have it usually.

most recessedcels are just malnourished

 

[BiggiecheeseI]

Genetics
Environment doesn't mean shit, if you have the genes for the right craniofacial development (Genes define your hormones as well) you just don't have to destroy your health during puberty and you're good, if your parents have subhuman maxilla it's over no matter what you do LOL

 

[zemult]

Genetics and your mom's health during pregnancy. Malnutrition and breastfeeding can also play a role

 

[Newday*V3]

We usually retain our face shape we had at 6 and grow in the same direction, if your cranial bones were steep then, then it would be still be steep when you are older

 

[LegendaryKennen]

good habits like
no forward-head-posture or pelvic tilts
mewing

good nutrition
3 years of breastfeeding

 

[zemult]

good habits like
no forward-head-posture or pelvic tilts
mewing

good nutrition
3 years of breastfeeding

Forward head posture & pelvic tilt don't cause a recessed maxilla, they are symptoms, as your posture tries to compensate for inadequate bone growth.

 

[diditeverbegin]

Forward head posture & pelvic tilt don't cause a recessed maxilla, they are symptoms, as your posture tries to compensate for inadequate bone growth.

But tongue tie bro

 

[LegendaryKennen]

Forward head posture & pelvic tilt don't cause a recessed maxilla, they are symptoms, as your posture tries to compensate for inadequate bone growth.

i thought he just meant general stuff i didnt properly read the title its past midnight

 

[zemult]

But tongue tie bro

Muh posture and testosterone causes recessed maxilla

 

[2marc1]

Genetics and your mom's health during pregnancy. Malnutrition and breastfeeding can also play a role

lol no, genetics dont take a role in recession lmfao

 

[zemult]

lol no, genetics dont take a role in recession lmfao

Right, what plays a role then? Muh mewing?

 

[2marc1]

Right, what plays a role then? Muh mewing?

everything else? epigenetics,exactly mewing since young age, soft food diet, malnutrition

theres no gen that makes your maxilla go one way or another lol

 

[zemult]

everything else? epigenetics,exactly mewing since young age, soft food diet, malnutrition

theres no gen that makes your maxilla go one way or another lol

It took literally one google search:

Genetics of the dentofacial variation in human malocclusion - PMC

Malocclusions affect individuals worldwide, resulting in compromised function and esthetics. Understanding the etiological factors contributing to the variation in dentofacial morphology associated with malocclusions is the key to develop novel ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[looks>books]

It took literally one google search:

Genetics of the dentofacial variation in human malocclusion - PMC

Malocclusions affect individuals worldwide, resulting in compromised function and esthetics. Understanding the etiological factors contributing to the variation in dentofacial morphology associated with malocclusions is the key to develop novel ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I wouldnt trust jewgoogle

 

[zemult]

But yes, chewing hard food during early childhood (0-12) is another factor.

 

[BiggiecheeseI]

everything else? epigenetics,exactly mewing since young age, soft food diet, malnutrition

theres no gen that makes your maxilla go one way or another lol

That sounds copefuel, every chad you see on social media has never heard of mewing or ''looksmaxxing'' prob till his 20s
Then there are subhumans who have been healthy ever since they were born and despite that still have brutally recessed maxillas.

 

[zemult]

That sounds copefuel, every chad you see on social media has never heard of mewing or ''looksmaxxing'' prob till his 20s
Then there are subhumans who have been healthy ever since they were born and despite that still have brutally recessed maxillas.

It's because they're not actively "mewing" like the subhumans are trying to do, as a child they developed normal tongue posture due to adequate bone development. Their tongue is naturally on the roof of their mouth, it's not a conscious thing.

That's what "mewing" gets wrong.

 

[2marc1]

It took literally one google search:

Genetics of the dentofacial variation in human malocclusion - PMC

Malocclusions affect individuals worldwide, resulting in compromised function and esthetics. Understanding the etiological factors contributing to the variation in dentofacial morphology associated with malocclusions is the key to develop novel ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

no no and NO
yes maxilla functionality may vary between phenotypes and increase the chance of malocclusion , but yet still YOU CANT BE BIRTHED having a malocclusion.
It's still enviromental, if you do it right since birth, you will never have a malocclusion, simple as that.

 

[zemult]

no no and NO
yes maxilla functionality may vary between phenotypes and increase the chance of malocclusion , but yet still YOU CANT BE BIRTHED having a malocclusion.
It's still enviromental, if you do it right since birth, you will never have a malocclusion, simple as that.

Association studies have found positive correlations for mandibular prognathism and genes EPB41, MATN1, SSX2IP, and PLXNA, located within the 1p22-p36 locus. Also positive associations have been found for genes COL2A1, MYO1H, TGFB3, and LTBP2 within the 12q13-q24 locus. Interestingly, variants in Matn1 (1p35) were associated with mandibular prognathism and anterior cross bites in donkeys (24).


Saar just mew and eat hard food, that's what I did, and I have no malocclusion! I'm also a white boy! Just do all that and you will be able to override any genetic factors you subhumans. Learned that from Saint Mike Mew

 

[diditeverbegin]

Association studies have found positive correlations for mandibular prognathism and genes EPB41, MATN1, SSX2IP, and PLXNA, located within the 1p22-p36 locus. Also positive associations have been found for genes COL2A1, MYO1H, TGFB3, and LTBP2 within the 12q13-q24 locus. Interestingly, variants in Matn1 (1p35) were associated with mandibular prognathism and anterior cross bites in donkeys (24).


Saar just mew and eat hard food, that's what I did, and I have no malocclusion! I'm also a white boy! Just do all that and you will be able to override any genetic factors you subhumans. Learned that from Saint Mike Mew

How'd you know I'm an orthotropist ✌

 

[looks>books]

Bruh everyone saying different stuff which is it

 

[2marc1]

Association studies have found positive correlations for mandibular prognathism and genes EPB41, MATN1, SSX2IP, and PLXNA, located within the 1p22-p36 locus. Also positive associations have been found for genes COL2A1, MYO1H, TGFB3, and LTBP2 within the 12q13-q24 locus. Interestingly, variants in Matn1 (1p35) were associated with mandibular prognathism and anterior cross bites in donkeys (24).


Saar just mew and eat hard food, that's what I did, and I have no malocclusion! I'm also a white boy! Just do all that and you will be able to override any genetic factors you subhumans. Learned that from Saint Mike Mew

literally what i said...
it wont 100% cause you mandible prognathism, maxilla prognatishm or recession of both as i said "yes maxilla functionality may vary between phenotypes and increase the chance of malocclusion"
its called evolution
but yet still no gene will cause a malocclusion if enviroment was perfect.
All this genes are still not literally of the maxilla bone, but development of everything in general as said here
"While informative, the studies above are limited by modest sample sizes, unknown generalizability of results to populations of other ancestries, and restrictive traits that ignore the complex phenotypic spectrum of malocclusion. Nonetheless, these studies have converged to highlight that genes implicated in bone (TGFB3, LTBP, IGF1, ENPP1, EVC, and EVC2), cartilage development (Matrilin-1 and COL2A1), muscle function (MYO1H and DUSP6) and tooth morphogenesis (EDA, XEDAR, and BMP2), may be putative candidates for jaw and tooth size discrepancies."

as i said..... no gene directly related to the maxilla
if everything is done well and treated accordingly to gene disorders it will be alright

 

[2marc1]

Bruh everyone saying different stuff which is it

its all genetical , kill yourself

 

[looks>books]

its all genetical , kill yourself

@zemult

 

[zemult]

literally what i said...
it wont 100% cause you mandible prognathism, maxilla prognatishm or recession of both as i said "yes maxilla functionality may vary between phenotypes and increase the chance of malocclusion"
its called evolution
but yet still no gene will cause a malocclusion if enviroment was perfect.
All this genes are still not literally of the maxilla bone, but development of everything in general as said here
"While informative, the studies above are limited by modest sample sizes, unknown generalizability of results to populations of other ancestries, and restrictive traits that ignore the complex phenotypic spectrum of malocclusion. Nonetheless, these studies have converged to highlight that genes implicated in bone (TGFB3, LTBP, IGF1, ENPP1, EVC, and EVC2), cartilage development (Matrilin-1 and COL2A1), muscle function (MYO1H and DUSP6) and tooth morphogenesis (EDA, XEDAR, and BMP2), may be putative candidates for jaw and tooth size discrepancies."

as i said..... no gene directly related to the maxilla
if everything is done well and treated accordingly to gene disorders it will be alright

So now you're backpedaling and saying that genetics do play a factor? Or are you still trying to suggest that eating muh hard food and muh tongue posture is going to override these gene disorders?

 

[AryanSchizo]

it’s a mix of many different things… genetics, mouth breathing vs mewing, nutrition. basically genetics and healthy habits

 

[stufftodo]

Forward head posture & pelvic tilt don't cause a recessed maxilla, they are symptoms, as your posture tries to compensate for inadequate bone growth.

the inverse can happen as well

 

[zemult]

the inverse can happen as well

if you're referring to forward head posture causing recession, then no, this is not scientifically proven at all

 

[stufftodo]

if you're referring to forward head posture causing recession, then no, this is not scientifically proven at all

things like congenital hip alignment have been shown to cause dental issues like crossbites. poor oral posture leads to underdevelopment especially at young ages. slouched postures lead to lower range of motion in the jaw and movement patterns.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18808377/ pretty sure this study states that fhp influences mandibular position, which is detrimental during growth. though i won't say it causes recession

 

[zemult]

things like congenital hip alignment have been shown to cause dental issues like crossbites. poor oral posture leads to underdevelopment especially at young ages. slouched postures lead to lower range of motion in the jaw and movement patterns.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18808377/ pretty sure this study states that fhp influences mandibular position, which is detrimental during growth. though i won't say it causes recession

Link the studies linking hip posture to dental issues, I'm curious because that doesn't really make any sense

The fhp studies don't really say anything useful

 

[looks>books]

Link the studies linking hip posture to dental issues, I'm curious because that doesn't really make any sense

The fhp studies don't really say anything useful

things like congenital hip alignment have been shown to cause dental issues like crossbites. poor oral posture leads to underdevelopment especially at young ages. slouched postures lead to lower range of motion in the jaw and movement patterns.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18808377/ pretty sure this study states that fhp influences mandibular position, which is detrimental during growth. though i won't say it causes recession

yall seem high iq

what do yall think causes good forward growth simply?

Things to avoid?

 

[zemult]

yall seem high iq

what do yall think causes good forward growth simply?

Things to avoid?

I'm assuming you're already 16 years old, there's nothing you can do past this point besides surgery

 

[looks>books]

I'm assuming you're already 16 years old, there's nothing you can do past this point besides surgery

No like for my kids

 

[diditeverbegin]

No like for my kids

You're not having any buddy boyo it's over just LDAR

 

[zemult]

No like for my kids

Nothing here is simple really. Nobody actually knows the answer. We just know what to do to predispose yourself to a better outcome

You yourself need to be healthy. Eat an ideal diet with no malnutrition.
Have a child in your 20s.
The woman carrying your child needs to be healthy as well, never do anything to influence the pregnancy. Look up "Fetal Alcohol Syndrome" for an simple case of certain factors during pregnancy fucking your child up.
Child should be breastfed.
Child should have proper posture, and should be fed all proper vitamins and minerals. Balanced ideal diet.
Child should eat hard foods.

 

[looks>books]

You're not having any buddy boyo it's over just LDAR

Why you just stalking my post

 

[zemult]

Also don't have a child if your genes are bad quality.

 

[diditeverbegin]

Why you just stalking my post

Because I am

 

[Cats]

what leads to a good one?

What leads to good bone growth in general?

Lifestyle or habits or both?

Habits+diet+gentics

 

[Cats]

Genetics and your mom's health during pregnancy. Malnutrition and breastfeeding can also play a role

This aswell⬆

 

[stufftodo]

yall seem high iq

what do yall think causes good forward growth simply?

Things to avoid?

genetics cause good forward growth

 

[looks>books]

genetics cause good forward growth

No habits?

 

[stufftodo]

No habits?

it can improve it, but i mean without orthodontic help it won't be as dramatic as somebody who has good genetics and habits yk?