What genetic legacy did the Austrian and Turkish Empires have in (South)-East-Europe

[PubertyMaxxer]

Countries under Austrian Habsburg rule and with Austrian/Swabian Settler populations:

Entirety of modern Austria, Slovenia, Czechia, Slovakia, historic Hungary
( most likely all very similar genetically additionally to being all Catholic Central European spirited)

Countries under Turkish Ottoman rule and with significant Turkish Anatolian Settler populations:

Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, Kosovo.
Also creation of Muslim X ethnicities and creation of a more Balkanic spirit.


Now, to what extent did this affect the subjugated nations genetically?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

@TsarTsar444 @Prettyboy

 

[TsarTsar444]

0-1%

 

[Deleted member 24167]

Ottomans didn't fuck with balkan people but.....
Anatolians did.In fact Anatolians migrated to the europe in ancient times and mixed with WHG and Yamnaya.
Balkan people have average 30% anatolian farmer admixture(maybe even more).
Serbs and romanians def mixed with anatolian farmers.Central europeans have less farmer dna for sure

 

[TsarTsar444]

Ottomans didn't fuck with balkan people but.....
Anatolians did.In fact Anatolians migrated to the europe in ancient times and mixed with WHG and Yamnaya.
Balkan people have average 30% anatolian farmer admixture(maybe even more).
Serbs and romanians def mixed with anatolian farmers.Central europeans have less farmer dna for sure

Anatolian farmers mixed with whg, info euros came in later and mixed with the already mixed farmer-whg populations. And yeah the Balkans have 30-50% farmer autosomal dna, which confuses people in the west to think this is related to the Ottomans or something jfl

 

[Tony]

Anatolian farmers mixed with whg, info euros came in later and mixed with the already mixed farmer-whg populations. And yeah the Balkans have 30-50% farmer autosomal dna, which confuses people in the west to think this is related to the Ottomans or something jfl

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[Deleted member 24167]

Anatolian farmers mixed with whg, info euros came in later and mixed with the already mixed farmer-whg populations. And yeah the Balkans have 30-50% farmer autosomal dna, which confuses people in the west to think this is related to the Ottomans or something jfl

Italians and sicillians have it more.Anatolian farmers weren't indo european though and so half of the europe aren't indo european.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Italians and sicillians have it more.Anatolian farmers weren't indo european though and so half of the europe aren't indo european.

Its just Balkans and Italy that have a considerable amount of farmer dna, the rest of europe is 25% of average

 

[Tony]

Its just Balkans and Italy that have a considerable amount of farmer dna, the rest of europe is 25% of average

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[Deleted member 24167]

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[Prettyboy]

The German settlers in AH were German Germans from Swabia and Saxony, not Austrians

In Austria-Hungary most groups intermingled with each other and have created Hungarian-German-Slav mutts like me. Thats why today Austria, Hungary, Czechia and Slovakia cluster very close to each other genetically

Also the Empire had freedom of religion, although the Habsburgs were Catholics, the monarcy likewise had many Protestants, Jews and even some Muslim after the annexation of Bosnia

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

0-1%

So it's the other way around? Western Turkey was bleached due to taking Balkaners to Western Anatolia?

If that's the case its also funny/sad to look at the birth rates by region/rcae.

As usual the darker less evolved species has higher birth rates, here Kurds and Arabs.

 

[Deleted member 24167]

So it's the other way around? Western Turkey was bleached due to taking Balkaners to Western Anatolia?

If that's the case its also funny/sad to look at the birth rates by region/rcae.

As usual the darker less evolved species has higher birth rates, here Kurds and Arabs.

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Slavs probably came to Western Turkey during byzantium times.Western Turks have more White genes because they came from Bashkir region to Western Turkey during the ottoman times.
So western turks are both turk white slav and anatolians

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

The German settlers in AH were German Germans from Swabia and Saxony, not Austrians

In Austria-Hungary most groups intermingled with each other and have created Hungarian-German-Slav mutts like me. Thats why today Austria, Hungary, Czechia and Slovakia cluster very close to each other genetically

Also the Empire had freedom of religion, although the Habsburgs were Catholics, the monarcy likewise had many Protestants, Jews and even some Muslim after the annexation of Bosnia

0-1%

How come this opposite trend?

Why did everyone mix with the Germans but nobody with the Turks apparently? Not fully convinced by that 0-1% figure

 

[TsarTsar444]

So it's the other way around? Western Turkey was bleached due to taking Balkaners to Western Anatolia?

If that's the case its also funny/sad to look at the birth rates by region/rcae.

As usual the darker less evolved species has higher birth rates, here Kurds and Arabs.

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It's the other way around because balkan muslims would migrate in huge wagon collums to Anatolia between 1715-1923 when the Ottoman Empire was slowly being pushed back by Christian powers. There are also shiton Circassians who escaped to Anatolia during the 1870's during the Russian Circassian genocide

 

[Prettyboy]

How come this opposite trend?

Why did everyone mix with the Germans but nobody with the Turks apparently? Not fully convinced by that 0-1% figure

Because Turks didnt live in the Balkan while Germans were spread out everywhere

 

[TsarTsar444]

How come this opposite trend?

Why did everyone mix with the Germans but nobody with the Turks apparently? Not fully convinced by that 0-1% figure

You want a simple answer to a complex cultural dynamic tbh. Turkic tribes settled in Bulgaria, Macedonia and Greece. Abania, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Hungary had almost no turkic people and were ruled by their self apointed captains and vojvodas

 

[TsarTsar444]

Because Turks didnt live in the Balkan while Germans were spread out everywhere

Turks did live in the Balkans, just not everywhere, the Kermanadis after being nuked by the Ottomans in 1470 got all deported to modern Bulgaria and western thrace

 

[Tony]

Turks did live in the Balkans, just not everywhere, the Kermanadis after being nuked by the Ottomans in 1470 got all deported to modern Bulgaria and western thrace

do u think we three @Prettyboy can go to @cocainecowboy apartment in hungary and have sex

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Because Turks didnt live in the Balkan while Germans were spread out everywhere

Can you show a credible source that proves that Turks didn't settle and intermingle in Rumelia??

Still, 9% of Bulgaria declare as ethnic Turks which means true number would be higher due to fear of discrimination.

 

[Deleted member 22099]

@TsarTsar444 and @Prettyboy rn

 

[spongebob]

The Ottoman rule has left the regions with a substantial drop in IQ. Look at every IQ map and you'll see

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

It's the other way around because balkan muslims would migrate in huge wagon collums to Anatolia between 1715-1923 when the Ottoman Empire was slowly being pushed back by Christian powers. There are also shiton Circassians who escaped to Anatolia during the 1870's during the Russian Circassian genocide

" Balkan Muslims" are Turks that larped as South Slavs etc.

 

[TsarTsar444]

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" Balkan Muslims" are Turks that larped as South Slavs etc.

Huh?

 

[STAMPEDE]

The Ottoman rule has left the regions with a substantial drop in IQ. Look at every IQ map and you'll see

Thats not the reason, these countries were under communism and had countless wars since 1900 compared to other european countries.

 

[Prettyboy]

@TsarTsar444 and @Prettyboy rn

@TsarTsar444 @Prettyboy and @Tony rn

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

@TsarTsar444 how is life up in the remote Macedonian mountains?

 

[TsarTsar444]

Thats not the reason, these countries were under communism and had countless wars since 1900 compared to other european countries.

The ottomans are the reason tho, Chezchia and Hungary also had communism but are light years ahead of majority Balkan countries, there is a map of Yugoslavia about literacy rate and gdp and the places that were the most under Ottoman rule were are with the lowest gdp and literacy. The Ottoman period was a time capsule, if you time traveled to 1770 in the Balkans and then did the same to 1470 you would see that the cities, populations etc looks the same because the Ottomans didn't invest into the lands except Mosques, bathhouses, storages for gunpowder etc. In fact the Balkans were the most "invested" part of the Empire, Anatolia especially central and eastern has almost no Ottoman era buildings.

This is giga deep tbh, i can go into the devasted constant Ottoman wars and how much they nuked the whole region but that would be too complex

 

[Gengar]

Chezchia and Hungary also had communism but are light years ahead of majority Balkan countries

Czechs are literally doing the most porn in Europe.

 

[spongebob]

Thats not the reason, these countries were under communism and had countless wars since 1900 compared to other european countries.

Yes it is the reason. Poland for example or Belarus had much worse wars and communism and yet they have much higher IQs. Its a result from ottoman rule. You can litterally see the line on the map

 

[spongebob]

Czechs are literally doing the most porn in Europe.

What a weak argument. It doesnt negate the fact they're much more developed in every aspect

 

[Prettyboy]

The Ottoman rule has left the regions with a substantial drop in IQ. Look at every IQ map and you'll see

Thats not the reason, these countries were under communism and had countless wars since 1900 compared to other european countries.

The ottomans are the reason tho, Chezchia and Hungary also had communism but are light years ahead of majority Balkan countries, there is a map of Yugoslavia about literacy rate and gdp and the places that were the most under Ottoman rule were are with the lowest gdp and literacy. The Ottoman period was a time capsule, if you time traveled to 1770 in the Balkans and then did the same to 1470 you would see that the cities, populations etc looks the same because the Ottomans didn't invest into the lands except Mosques, bathhouses, storages for gunpowder etc. In fact the Balkans were the most "invested" part of the Empire, Anatolia especially central and eastern has almost no Ottoman era buildings.

This is giga deep tbh, i can go into the devasted constant Ottoman wars and how much they nuked the whole region but that would be too complex

Are Albanians the Missing link tbh?

 

[TsarTsar444]

Czechs are literally doing the most porn in Europe.

I meant in terms of gdp, iq, hdi

 

[Gengar]

What a weak argument. It doesnt negate the fact they're much more developed in every aspect

It’s degenerate.

 

[Gengar]

I meant in terms of gdp, iq, hdi

No GDP, IQ, HDI for degeneracy.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Are Albanians the Missing link tbh?

Albanians were isolated mountain tribesmen that had almost no connection to outside reality, they had basically no organized state until 1912, while all European countries had organized states since the middle ages

 

[spongebob]

It’s degenerate.

Could be. I seriously wonder why out of all countries Czechia has most per capita porn stars. Lol

 

[STAMPEDE]

Yes it is the reason. Poland for example or Belarus had much worse wars and communism and yet they have much higher IQs. Its a result from ottoman rule. You can litterally see the line on the map

Cucked argument as poland didn’t face constant wars since a long time. While the balkans were facing wars till recently and still face the problems of them. Yugoslavia was literally one of the wealthiest and most developed countries in Europe till their fall in 1990s. You literally don’t know anything do you.

 

[Prettyboy]

Albanians were isolated mountain tribesmen that had almost no connection to outside reality, they had basically no organized state until 1912, while all European countries had organized states since the middle ages

Wtf is that Albanian train with broken windows and gypsies literally everywhere

 

[Gengar]

Could be. I seriously wonder why out of all countries Czechia has most per capita porn stars. Lol

Because they are poorer. To be honest you’re lucky we don’t have a porn industry here. Imagine having a crush and suddenly you see her in a porno.

 

[spongebob]

Cucked argument as poland didn’t face constant wars since a long time. While the balkans were facing wars till recently and still face the problems of them. Yugoslavia was literally one of the wealthiest and most developed countries in Europe till their fall in 1990s. You literally don’t know anything do you.

Poland is the most invaded country in Europe lol. They experienced very bad things in WW2 and Belarus was also a place that changed borders the most. You have no idea the amount of high culture iq people that were murdered during the wars. It's surprising they still have a relatively good iq after all of that.

I dont know much about Balkan, only that they have a lower IQ according to statistics. People call it the forgotten part of Europe.

 

[STAMPEDE]

Albanians were isolated mountain tribesmen that had almost no connection to outside reality, they had basically no organized state until 1912, while all European countries had organized states since the middle ages

Wrong, Albania had organized states since 1000 or even as early as 300 AD with the name of “Albanoi” or “Arbanon” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Arbanon

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Albanians

were isolated mountain tribesmen

Weren't a lot of Serbs/Montenegrins also like this?

that had almost no connection to outside reality, they had basically no organized state until 1912, while all European countries had organized states since the middle ages

 

[TsarTsar444]

Wtf is that Albanian train with broken windows and gypsies literally everywhere

 

[STAMPEDE]

Poland is the most invaded country in Europe lol. They experienced very bad things in WW2 and Belarus was also a place that changed borders the most. You have no idea the amount of high culture iq people that were murdered during the wars. It's surprising they still have a relatively good iq after all of that.

I dont know much about Balkan, only that they have a lower IQ according to statistics. People call it the forgotten part of Europe.

They have lower iq because of the reasons I listed. And that is changing rapidly as Balkans are improving and developing rapidly, Yugoslavia which included most Balkan states was one of the most developed and wealthiest countries in Europe till 90s after all. Also it’s true that Poland had been invaded more but they also had more time to develop compared to Balkans which had wars till recently and add to that other problems.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Could be. I seriously wonder why out of all countries Czechia has most per capita porn stars. Lol

Actually Hungary has @Prettyboy @spongebob

And I think the reason is simply because they are very good looking, white and more affordable for porn companies than stuck up Mutted Western Women.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Wrong, Albania had organized states since 1000 or even as early as 300 AD with the name of “Albanoi” or “Arbanon” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Arbanon

1190 and short lived. Thats not the point Albanians were loyal to their tribes and brotherhoods, not a state, church, king like all other European countries were. I descend from the Kelmendi tribe which was basically independent from Ottoman rule until the 18th century and know quite alot about how these tribes functioned, they were basically a proto anarchist society

 

[Prettyboy]

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Actually Hungary has @Prettyboy @spongebob

And I think the reason is simply because they are very good looking, white and more affordable for porn companies than stuck up Mutted Western Women.

Yes but nowadays its being phased out into the past. It was really big during the 90s when the Iron curtain fell these countries were very cheap + had good looking women. Ukraine would be leading if it wasn’t illegal to produce pornography there (but Ukrainian pornstars perform elsewhere)

 

[Wallenberg]

What a weak argument. It doesnt negate the fact they're much more developed in every aspect

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

1190 and short lived. Thats not the point Albanians were loyal to their tribes and brotherhoods, not a state, church, king like all other European countries were. I descend from the Kelmendi tribe

Thought you were Bosniak?

And I remeber before you said you were ancient Macedonian.

Tfw when slavshits create the most bizzare arbitrary Ethnicities.

which was basically independent from Ottoman rule until the 18th century and know quite alot about how these tribes functioned, they were basically a proto anarchist society