What is it to be white?

[whiteegyptian]

I'm sorry I don't get the important of the second part. Are you saying that's like more stereotypically white or something

You tell me. based on what I see, yes it is stereotypically ''white''.

In the case where epistemologically there's just some failure in determining someone's ancestry, where perhaps someone is 100% European but looks Pakistani, then that isn't going to change the ontology that they are European. Presumably if you gave that person knowledge that he is actually European, they would change their opinion.

And that's just the same category error you make at the beginning. We can use probabilistic tools to guess what someone's ancestry is but those tools itself aren't sufficient to categorize somebody.

To use a gender example, a transgender who passes really well might be seen as that gender by a conservative, but if you made that conservative aware that they are actually the opposite sex they would start identifying that person differently. Hence the heureustic is not a determiner, it's a stand in until a better determiner arrives.

Stop giving examples comparing a literal different race to Europeans.

I do get what you are saying, but even the swarthiest European does not look Pakistani, unless he's recently mixed.

And no looking like a certain type (including coloring, and facial features) does indeed have a physical marker on your ancestry. which is why phenotypes exist.

Ethnic Swede with a phenotype that is predominantly found in Sweden, Tronder. her face alone tells you more about her ancestry than vague racial categories.

A Lebanese man, with a Middle Eastern phenotype, that's specifically common in the Levant, Assyroid.

his face tells you a million things about his ancestors than vague racial categories, as well.

 

[jd.]

 

[Tenres]

You tell me. based on what I see, yes it is stereotypically ''white''.

Stop giving examples comparing a literal different race to Europeans.

I do get what you are saying, but even the swarthiest European does not look Pakistani, unless he's recently mixed.

And no looking like a certain type (including coloring, and facial features) does indeed have a physical marker on your ancestry. which is why phenotypes exist.

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Ethnic Swede with a phenotype that is predominantly found in Sweden, Tronder. her face alone tells you more about her ancestry than vague racial categories.

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A Lebanese man, with a Middle Eastern phenotype, that's specifically common in the Levant, Assyroid.

his face tells you a million things about his ancestors than vague racial categories, as well.

Yeah I obv don't think that, all these groups were "brown." White skin is just an adaptation for faster vitamin d synthesis. I consider white as I said to refer to the conjunction of all three.

That was the example used in the comment you referenced.

Sure, obviously ethnicity is a better gauge of ancestry. Race is meant to be broad as we're encompassing billions of people into a few broad categories.

On to the actual utility of using the term, I mean it overlaps with geography, culture, shared history. But I also understand not using it and just using particulars. I'd be fine with that but that's evidently not happening. No non white person understands white people as separate identities, they view all white as evil, etc. So it would be ridiculous to try to create a new hegemony where we stop using racial terms when everyone else uses them.

 

[Divineincel]

to preface this THIS IS NOT A RACEBAIT THREAD

over the past 4 months ive been on the forum
as a polish slav
ive been told
1. Im not white
2. Im white but a lower white compared to other ethnicities
3. Im white full stop

this begs the question? what makes someone white?
is it skintone, is it white features? is it just ethnicity?
or does it vary person to person?
personally i dont care about my race, im happy to be who i am and i cant change it

But it gets to a point where i've spoken to people who say scandinvians arent white
and i sure as hell know someone like @Scandicel is white
like how is THIS
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"not white"


Thoughts?
@whiteegyptian @cryptt @Chance1 @Fridx

We ARE white, pole is not a negro

 

[polonaecel]

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We ARE white, pole is not a negro

Correct we are white
i just dont care if we aren't because poland is great regardless
why should we care about a label

 

[Archange]

Ethnic mogs anyways

florian writz is white

 

[Divineincel]

Correct we are white
i just dont care if we aren't because poland is great regardless
why should we care about a label

We are the 5th safest country in Europe, we have gdp above 1 trilion dollars, we have become the twentieth largest economy in the world despite our division for 123 years then ww2 and 45 years of communism. Our public transport is better than the us, german or english public transport

 

[polonaecel]

We are the 5th safest country in Europe, we have gdp above 1 trilion dollars, we have become the twentieth largest economy in the world despite our division for 123 years then ww2 and 45 years of communism. Our public transport is better than the us, german or english public transport

Water, we're a good country