What is it to be white?

[polonaecel]

to preface this THIS IS NOT A RACEBAIT THREAD

over the past 4 months ive been on the forum
as a polish slav
ive been told
1. Im not white
2. Im white but a lower white compared to other ethnicities
3. Im white full stop

this begs the question? what makes someone white?
is it skintone, is it white features? is it just ethnicity?
or does it vary person to person?
personally i dont care about my race, im happy to be who i am and i cant change it

But it gets to a point where i've spoken to people who say scandinvians arent white
and i sure as hell know someone like @Scandicel is white
like how is THIS

"not white"


Thoughts?
@whiteegyptian @cryptt @Chance1 @Fridx

 

[OgreFacedMonster]

Slavic mongol ramblings DNRD

 

[polonaecel]

Slavic mongol ramblings DNRD

Nice first post
tldr; what makes someone white?

 

[Fridx]

Ethnic mogs anyways

 

[Fridx]

Whats ur phenk

 

[dhusc]

to preface this THIS IS NOT A RACEBAIT THREAD

over the past 4 months ive been on the forum
as a polish slav
ive been told
1. Im not white
2. Im white but a lower white compared to other ethnicities
3. Im white full stop

this begs the question? what makes someone white?
is it skintone, is it white features? is it just ethnicity?
or does it vary person to person?
personally i dont care about my race, im happy to be who i am and i cant change it

But it gets to a point where i've spoken to people who say scandinvians arent white
and i sure as hell know someone like @Scandicel is white
like how is THIS
View attachment 4828758
"not white"


Thoughts?
@whiteegyptian @cryptt @Chance1 @Fridx

slavics are essentially indians with white skin

indians are Germans with shitskin

Nordics are Chinese n German

 

[dhusc]

Ethnic mogs anyways

ethnic ramblings

 

[i believe in angels]

whiteness is a constructed category in most people's eyes and is based on phenotype

if you were to poll people and ask them "is the person in this photo white?" while showing them photos of people from each country in the world, the percentage of people who answer "yes" would gradually drop as you move away from north/northwest europe and would drop radically as you exit europe

i would say that race is a spectrum and you may label someone as white only insofar as it makes your meaning communicable

 

[cryptt]

i consider slavs white

 

[dhusc]

whiteness is a constructed category in most people's eyes and is based on phenotype

if you were to poll people and ask them "is the person in this photo white?" while showing them photos of people from each country in the world, the percentage of people who answer "yes" would gradually drop as you move away from north/northwest europe and would drop radically as you exit europe

i would say that race is a spectrum and you may label someone as white only insofar as it makes your meaning communicable

@Fridx look at this nigga typing out a well thought out essay

 

[polonaecel]

Whats ur phenk

North Pontid with some west alpinid

 

[John_Locke11]

.org is a site for retards, jews, and psychotic people to meet up and say stupid shit. The sooner you get off this site and stop listening to these retards, the better

 

[Fridx]

North Pontid with some west alpinid

Ur white

 

[polonaecel]

.org is a site for retards, jews, and psychotic people to meet up and say stupid shit. The sooner you get off this site and stop listening to these retards, the better

personally i dont care about my race, im happy to be who i am and i cant change it

 

[John_Locke11]

sorry, didnt read that part.

 

[polonaecel]

whiteness is a constructed category in most people's eyes and is based on phenotype

if you were to poll people and ask them "is the person in this photo white?" while showing them photos of people from each country in the world, the percentage of people who answer "yes" would gradually drop as you move away from north/northwest europe and would drop radically as you exit europe

i would say that race is a spectrum and you may label someone as white only insofar as it makes your meaning communicable

Well put, this makes it retarded to classify people like slavs as non white when theres probably white phenos within slavic populations

 

[lnceIs]

If you look white you're white, not that deep

 

[polonaecel]

If you look white you're white, not that deep

Well, some people are bold enough to say people like me arent white regardless of my looks

 

[6foot3copecel]

Slavs are white, I am slavic myself but have a pretty shit pheno, I have dark brown hair, d30 eyes and white skin, am I truly white tho?

 

[polonaecel]

slavs are white i am slavic but have a pretty shit pheno with dark brown hair, d30 eyes and white skin, am i white tho?

what pheno?

 

[6foot3copecel]

what pheno?

I am pretty much textbook east europid, dont know my exact pheno tho

 

[whiteegyptian]

to preface this THIS IS NOT A RACEBAIT THREAD

over the past 4 months ive been on the forum
as a polish slav
ive been told
1. Im not white
2. Im white but a lower white compared to other ethnicities
3. Im white full stop

this begs the question? what makes someone white?
is it skintone, is it white features? is it just ethnicity?
or does it vary person to person?
personally i dont care about my race, im happy to be who i am and i cant change it

But it gets to a point where i've spoken to people who say scandinvians arent white
and i sure as hell know someone like @Scandicel is white
like how is THIS
View attachment 4828758
"not white"


Thoughts?
@whiteegyptian @cryptt @Chance1 @Fridx

people who say Scandinavians are not white are almost always talking about Northern Scandinavians or Eastern Finns.

Scandinavians are White, but even the whitest people in earth, there exists human natural variation.

For example, this Swedish woman is 100% Swedish:

 

[polonaecel]

people who say Scandinavians are not white are almost always talking about Northern Scandinavians or Eastern Finns.

Scandinavians are White, but even the whitest people in earth, there exists human natural variation.

For example, this Swedish woman is 100% Swedish:

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so you'd say its phenotype dependent?
also do you consider north pontid white?

 

[whiteegyptian]

so you'd say its phenotype dependent?
also do you consider north pontid white?

A few months back, an org user that I used to argue with on if Slavs were white or not said something very interesting, about how there's no white nations, but only white individuals, so WHITES can only be individually, but you can't say all Swedes from Sweden are 100% white, because that's simply not true, and you can't also say all Italians are brown, and that Italy is a brown country, because that's also not true. thinking about it, it might actually make sense. a large of it is phenotype dependent, if you DO look white, have a white phenotype, than you are white.

BUT what people don't understand here is that phenotypes don't pop out of the blue. phenotypes are mainly genetic dependent, a Tronder will not pop up in a Greek unless she was recently mixed with a Scandinavian.

so yes, a lot of it is phenotypic dependent.

 

[polonaecel]

A few months back, an org user that I used to argue with on if Slavs were white or not said something very interesting, about how there's no white nations, but only white individuals, so WHITES can only be individually, but you can't say all Swedes from Sweden are 100% white, because that's simply not true, and you can't also say all Italians are brown, and that Italy is a brown country, because that's also not true. thinking about it, it might actually make sense. a large of it is phenotype dependent, if you DO look white, have a white phenotype, than you are white.

BUT what people don't here is that phenotypes don't pop out of the blue. phenotypes are mainly genetic dependent, a Tronder will not pop up in a Greek unless she was recently mixed with a Scandinavian.

so yes, a lot of it is phenotypic dependent.

Well written, i agree

 

[6foot3copecel]

A few months back, an org user that I used to argue with on if Slavs were white or not said something very interesting, about how there's no white nations, but only white individuals, so WHITES can only be individually, but you can't say all Swedes from Sweden are 100% white, because that's simply not true, and you can't also say all Italians are brown, and that Italy is a brown country, because that's also not true. thinking about it, it might actually make sense. a large of it is phenotype dependent, if you DO look white, have a white phenotype, than you are white.

BUT what people don't understand here is that phenotypes don't pop out of the blue. phenotypes are mainly genetic dependent, a Tronder will not pop up in a Greek unless she was recently mixed with a Scandinavian.

so yes, a lot of it is phenotypic dependent.

I kinda look like Gio Scotti bru am I white

 

[whiteegyptian]

Well written, i agree

This is Sean Connery, a notorious Scottish actor, he looks exceptionally dark. EXCEPTIONALLY dark, that even some Northern Iberians can look lighter than him. he's from the whitest place on earth but he's olive skinned, brown eyed, and dark haired, and if performed an April fools and said this guy's name is Mohammed and he's actually from Lebanon, everyone would believe it.

While this woman is Italian, and looks Nordic, that people are still questioning her ancestry. and that even normal Italians would not believe she's a local.

So a lot of whiteness is phenotypic dependent yes, especially in terms of how other people view you on the internet and real life.

 

[whiteegyptian]

I kinda look like Gio Scotti bru am I white

foid please ban!!!

 

[6foot3copecel]

foid please ban!!!

Im a guy tho

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

to preface this THIS IS NOT A RACEBAIT THREAD

over the past 4 months ive been on the forum
as a polish slav
ive been told
1. Im not white
2. Im white but a lower white compared to other ethnicities
3. Im white full stop

this begs the question? what makes someone white?
is it skintone, is it white features? is it just ethnicity?
or does it vary person to person?
personally i dont care about my race, im happy to be who i am and i cant change it

But it gets to a point where i've spoken to people who say scandinvians arent white
and i sure as hell know someone like @Scandicel is white
like how is THIS
View attachment 4828758
"not white"


Thoughts?
@whiteegyptian @cryptt @Chance1 @Fridx

You are white those saying you arent are 90% ethnic envious

 

[6foot3copecel]

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This is Sean Connery, a notorious Scottish actor, he looks exceptionally dark. EXCEPTIONALLY dark, that even some Northern Iberians can look lighter than him. he's from the whitest place on earth but he's olive skinned, brown eyed, and dark haired, and if performed an April fools and said this guy's name is Mohammed and he's actually from Lebanon, everyone would believe it.

While this woman is Italian, and looks Nordic, that people are still questioning her ancestry. and that even normal Italians would not believe she's a local.

View attachment 4828903

So a lot of whiteness is phenotypic dependent yes, especially in terms of how other people view you on the internet and real life.

Isnt Valeria from Argentina?

 

[whiteegyptian]

Isnt Valeria from Argentina?

Argentina is inhabited by Italians mostly.

 

[polonaecel]

View attachment 4828897

This is Sean Connery, a notorious Scottish actor, he looks exceptionally dark. EXCEPTIONALLY dark, that even some Northern Iberians can look lighter than him. he's from the whitest place on earth but he's olive skinned, brown eyed, and dark haired, and if performed an April fools and said this guy's name is Mohammed and he's actually from Lebanon, everyone would believe it.

While this woman is Italian, and looks Nordic, that people are still questioning her ancestry. and that even normal Italians would not believe she's a local.

View attachment 4828903

So a lot of whiteness is phenotypic dependent yes, especially in terms of how other people view you on the internet and real life.

Im also from the whitest place on earth
I was born in Scotland (but im not scottish duh)
But yeah its interesting how different they look compared to others from their country

 

[Zalmoxis]

Nigga if you have blue eyes and pale skin any NT will consider you white. I'm romanian brown eyes, very pale skin (pink nipples), and i have a jewish nose. I have an internal conflict if i am ethnic or not

 

[Chance1]

Why u care nigga ur Indian

 

[Tenres]

Ok so it means your ancestrally European which refers to the conjunction of early European farmer, western steppe herders, and western hunter gatherers. NW Euros, NE Euros, and S Euros are all almost 100% comprised of this ancestry. Subsets of these groups that are mixed would be judged based on their dominant phenotype, i.e., they have some threshold of the above ancestry that results in shared typical physical traits. But if someone had nearly 100% of that ancestry, then their phenotype wouldn't matter.

So the only 'secondary white' status I'd say there is applies to mixed Europeans who have a clearly European phenotype.

 

[Tenres]

View attachment 4828897

This is Sean Connery, a notorious Scottish actor, he looks exceptionally dark. EXCEPTIONALLY dark, that even some Northern Iberians can look lighter than him. he's from the whitest place on earth but he's olive skinned, brown eyed, and dark haired, and if performed an April fools and said this guy's name is Mohammed and he's actually from Lebanon, everyone would believe it.

While this woman is Italian, and looks Nordic, that people are still questioning her ancestry. and that even normal Italians would not believe she's a local.

View attachment 4828903

So a lot of whiteness is phenotypic dependent yes, especially in terms of how other people view you on the internet and real life.

Not sure I'd say he has olive skin. Also the only real confusion there stems from artificial divisions that aren't really supported by the facts, Europe has different clusters but certainly not huge differences on the margins. For example Augustus was seemingly red haired based off the paint that was used one of his statues, and he was described as having blue grey eyes. This is no way is unheard of for central or northern italians.

On the Internet it's mostly just a bunch of idiots making shit up, like that one Australian nationalist who said that French people aren't white.

 

[HardStuckLTN;]

white= anyone that gets treated as a white person IRL. For example my dad is 100% danish but looks like a paki and gets treated as one. Therefore he isn't white

 

[rj_0616]

If you look white you're white, not that deep

what if ur ethnically jewish

 

[whiteegyptian]

Not sure I'd say he has olive skin. Also the only real confusion there stems from artificial divisions that aren't really supported by the facts, Europe has different clusters but certainly not huge differences on the margins. For example Augustus was seemingly red haired based off the paint that was used one of his statues, and he was described as having blue grey eyes. This is no way is unheard of for central or northern italians.

On the Internet it's mostly just a bunch of idiots making shit up, like that one Australian nationalist who said that French people aren't white.

North and Central Italy do not border Benin, so yes, white people will marginally pop up. you should respect his opinion, a lot of the French are swarthy, that's just the truth. especially Southern French.

 

[Chance1]

 

[Tenres]

North and Central Italy do not border Benin, so yes, white people will marginally pop up. you should respect his opinion, a lot of the French are swarthy, that's just the truth. especially Southern French.

So can black Irish, some English as well can get a bronze tan. Like seriously can you at least stop the retarded trolling when you're talking to me. White does not refer to skin tone, literally you'd have to be syndrome tier to think skin color, hair color, and eye color matter. Sean Connery is identifiable as white more than an Iranian with far lighter skin than him, with colored eyes, and lighter hair.

 

[whiteegyptian]

Ok so it means your ancestrally European which refers to the conjunction of early European farmer, western steppe herders, and western hunter gatherers. NW Euros, NE Euros, and S Euros are all almost 100% comprised of this ancestry. Subsets of these groups that are mixed would be judged based on their dominant phenotype, i.e., they have some threshold of the above ancestry that results in shared typical physical traits. But if someone had nearly 100% of that ancestry, then their phenotype wouldn't matter.

So the only 'secondary white' status I'd say there is applies to mixed Europeans who have a clearly European phenotype.

You guys like to get defensive and bring up the big three to prove all Europeans are more or less related.

what you forget is that most of Europe south of Hamburg has significant EEF ancestry, and that Southern Europeans are not just significantly EEF, but they are indeed mostly EEF. you guys forget that EEF came from Anatolia, and Anatolians. a place that is fiercely not considered White by some people, that even North Africans are in some cases viewed as whiter, so is it that Southern Europeans are ethnic? or is it that Turks are white?

 

[polonaecel]

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I can post cherrypicked images too jfl

anyways i know youre ragebaiting me

 

[Chance1]

I can post cherrypicked images too jfl
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anyways i know youre ragebaiting me

Bottom mogs

 

[Tenres]

You guys like to get defensive and bring up the big three to prove all Europeans are more or less related.

what you forget is that most of Europe south of Hamburg has significant EEF ancestry, and that Southern Europeans are not just significantly EEF, but they are indeed mostly EEF. you guys forget that EEF came from Anatolia, and Anatolians. a place that is fiercely not considered White by some people, that even North Africans are in some cases viewed as whiter, so is it that Southern Europeans are ethnic? or is it that Turks are white?

I believe Western Turks generally have like 20-30% non triad ancestry, so I'd say yes I'd considered them mixed white meeting the second category.

 

[whiteegyptian]

So can black Irish, some English as well can get a bronze tan. Like seriously can you at least stop the retarded trolling when you're talking to me. White does not refer to skin tone, literally you'd have to be syndrome tier to think skin color, hair color, and eye color matter. Sean Connery is identifiable as white more than an Iranian with far lighter skin than him, with colored eyes, and lighter hair.

I didn't mention skin color.

because you can't tell me this woman:

is whiter than this woman:

and Sean Connery is only identifiable as white due to the defensive nature of Europeans and their own harmful ideology. it's better claiming he's White, and whatnot, rather than saying he doesn't belong. but everybody knows this is false, even a Scandinavian who looks brown is going to be treated as such, as stated by a user in this thread.

 

[whiteegyptian]

I believe Western Turks generally have like 20-30% non triad ancestry, so I'd say yes I'd considered them mixed white meeting the second category.

Reasonable, I guess. just keep in mind Turks have more Yamnaya than Greeks.

 

[Tenres]

I didn't mention skin color.

because you can't tell me this woman:

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is whiter than this woman:

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and Sean Connery is only identifiable as white due to the defensive nature of Europeans and their own harmful ideology. it's better claiming he's White, and whatnot, rather than saying he doesn't belong. but everybody knows this is false, even a Scandinavian who looks brown is going to be treated as such, as stated by a user in this thread.

In the case where epistemologically there's just some failure in determining someone's ancestry, where perhaps someone is 100% European but looks Pakistani, then that isn't going to change the ontology that they are European. Presumably if you gave that person knowledge that he is actually European, they would change their opinion.

And that's just the same category error you make at the beginning. We can use probabilistic tools to guess what someone's ancestry is but those tools itself aren't sufficient to categorize somebody.

To use a gender example, a transgender who passes really well might be seen as that gender by a conservative, but if you made that conservative aware that they are actually the opposite sex they would start identifying that person differently. Hence the heureustic is not a determiner, it's a stand in until a better determiner arrives.

Edit: I'm not explaining perfectly, but essentially you have an epistemological tool (some tool used to discover the truth) and then you have the ontology (the nature / truth of the situation). In my view, the appearance is the tool, their ancestry is the truth. So there's no real problem for me to say that I or anyone else could simply be wrong sometimes about our inductions about how Europeans will generally look / be.

Edit 2: also to me a defintion is basically just going to be a description of the object that is referred to by the term.

 

[Tenres]

Reasonable, I guess. just keep in mind Turks have more Yamnaya than Greeks.

I'm sorry I don't get the important of the second part. Are you saying that's like more stereotypically white or something