What is the ideal frame width to aim for ?

[5.5psl]

Recently there have been many cope threads on muh frame even saying that frame is more important than height jfl
So frame is important what's the ideal width to aim I feel around 23-24 inches wide is the most ideal and achieveable with 5 years of natty training or 2-4 cycles of test with other bulking compounds like eq ,deca
@Arborist @decadouche57

 

[Deleted member 21796]

Recently there have been many cope threads on muh frame even saying that frame is more important than height jfl
So frame is important what's the ideal width to aim I feel around 23-24 inches wide is the most ideal and achieveable with 5 years of natty training or 2-4 cycles of test with other bulking compounds like eq ,deca
@Arborist @decadouche57

23-24 is the best

 

[Orc]

no one will notice you've got wide shoulders in clothes unless you're pushing 24+ inch.

you might get a comment or two if you're around 22-23~ in a tank top.

 

[nitesik]

Recently there have been many cope threads on muh frame even saying that frame is more important than height jfl
So frame is important what's the ideal width to aim I feel around 23-24 inches wide is the most ideal and achieveable with 5 years of natty training or 2-4 cycles of test with other bulking compounds like eq ,deca
@Arborist @decadouche57

the wider the better

 

[Magnum Opus]

no one will notice you've got wide shoulders in clothes unless you're pushing 24+ inch.

you might get a comment or two if you're around 22-23~ in a tank top.

What's the average?

 

[5.5psl]

What's the average?

Like 18-19 inches

 

[Orc]

What's the average?

20 tops in the tallest part of the tallest country with an average height above 185, I rarely see anyone that even looks remotely as wide as me that isn't either obese or 7' foot tall.

it's probably below that for shorter countries.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

no one will notice you've got wide shoulders in clothes unless you're pushing 24+ inch.

you might get a comment or two if you're around 22-23~ in a tank top.

I unironically get called broad shouldered at 19.5 inches in a collar shirt and rolled sleeves

 

[nitesik]

no one will notice you've got wide shoulders in clothes unless you're pushing 24+ inch.

you might get a comment or two if you're around 22-23~ in a tank top.

24 inch? what?

man I have 22 inch bidel and teared apart XL shirt once

 

[5.5psl]

the wider the better

I feel there is a diminishing point of return in frame like height above 6'5 is too tall and niche appeal same with frame beyond 24 it's way to much and if the width is coming from muscle and not bone you will look giga roidmaxxed

 

[LooksOrDeath]

A good shoulder width to aim for would be your head width * 3.5
so for an average head width of 6 inches, 21 inches would look good

 

[nitesik]

I feel there is a diminishing point of return in frame like height above 6'5 is too tall and niche appeal same with frame beyond 24 it's way to much and if the width is coming from muscle and not bone you will look giga roidmaxxed

you will never get to 24 inches its 1 in a million if real

 

[Magnum Opus]

20 tops in the tallest part of the tallest country with an average height above 185, I rarely see anyone that even looks remotely as wide as me that isn't either obese or 7' foot tall.

it's probably below that for shorter countries.

Can I dm you my frame?

 

[Deleted member 24889]

20 tops in the tallest part of the tallest country with an average height above 185, I rarely see anyone that even looks remotely as wide as me that isn't either obese or 7' foot tall.

it's probably below that for shorter countries.

What's your shoulders width also are you natty?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

you will never get to 24 inches its 1 in a million if real

Not that rare, but it is impossible to acheive without a certain shoulder frame base in the first place

 

[5.5psl]

you will never get to 24 inches its 1 in a million if real

Exactly that's my point , btw you can reach above 24 if you keep on abusing gear with gh and insulin and keep on training shoulders heavily with above average -good genes

 

[nitesik]

Not that rare, but it is impossible to acheive without a certain shoulder frame base in the first place

arnold had 24 inches at peak I think, after abusing roids and he looked very wide

 

[nitesik]

Exactly that's my point , btw you can reach above 24 if you keep on abusing gear with gh and insulin and keep on training shoulders heavily with above average -good genes

ehh not average

 

[Orc]

I unironically get called broad shouldered at 19.5 inches in a collar shirt and rolled sleeves

24 inch? what?

man I have 22 inch bidel and teared apart XL shirt once

my experience is based on where I live, there are literally no men below 6' here that aren't foreigners, the top percentiles elsewhere is the average here.

Can I dm you my frame?

go ahead but don't worry about it you can't do much about what you're given, just lift and it'll still look better than it did before.

 

[Sens]

20 tops in the tallest part of the tallest country with an average height above 185, I rarely see anyone that even looks remotely as wide as me that isn't either obese or 7' foot tall.

it's probably below that for shorter countries.

what's your height and weight, brocel

 

[Orc]

what's your height and weight, brocel

6'2 210+

I see men that are an entire head taller than me every time I go in public, it's that brutal.

even women are 6'+ here regularly.

 

[5.5psl]

@Arborist bro do you have any rough figure as to what was your frame width before and after lifting ?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

arnold had 24 inches at peak I think, after abusing roids and he looked very wide

tbh I would rather have natty 21-22 inch bidelt than that kind of look, though 24 inch roided still looks insane irl

my experience is based on where I live, there are literally no men below 6' here that aren't foreigners, the top percentiles elsewhere is the average here.

Where do you live.

 

[Deleted member 24889]

6'2 210+

I see men that are an entire head taller than me every time I go in public, it's that brutal.

even women are 6'+ here regularly.

You are probably from Groningen I suppose.
Damn that's brutal.

 

[Sens]

6'2 210+

I see men that are an entire head taller than me every time I go in public, it's that brutal.

even women are 6'+ here regularly.

idk, i'm 6ft and probably never seen woman taller than me without heels tbh, it's lifefuel that average female in my country is 5'5

my cousin is like 6'6 but he has shit frame, and my mother commented that he is tall, but has narrow shoulders unlike me and it looks shitty, starting from 6'3 you either roid or look like shit in vast majority of cases, i truly believe it's 90% frame past 185cm

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Recently there have been many cope threads on muh frame even saying that frame is more important than height jfl
So frame is important what's the ideal width to aim I feel around 23-24 inches wide is the most ideal and achieveable with 5 years of natty training or 2-4 cycles of test with other bulking compounds like eq ,deca
@Arborist @decadouche57

JFL at using deca

 

[Deleted member 2268]

6'2 210+

I see men that are an entire head taller than me every time I go in public, it's that brutal.

even women are 6'+ here regularly.

Thats exaggeration bro I was height mogging in Germany as a 6'1 med lol

 

[5.5psl]

JFL at using deca

Replace it with NPP ig

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Exactly that's my point , btw you can reach above 24 if you keep on abusing gear with gh and insulin and keep on training shoulders heavily with above average -good genes

JFL at doing AAS

 

[GoldenOrderCels]

no one will notice you've got wide shoulders in clothes unless you're pushing 24+ inch.

you might get a comment or two if you're around 22-23~ in a tank top.

Cope, wide shoulders is my most complimented feature with my curly hair and I’m not 24 inch bidelt (which is not achievable naturally, probably top 99.9 percentile)

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Replace it with NPP ig

I never advocated using any of this shit

 

[GoldenOrderCels]

Loox pumped bidelt is about 23 inches, and he’s already top-tier + maxxed out on steroids

 

[5.5psl]

I never advocated using any of this shit

Just sticking with test

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Loox pumped bidelt is about 23 inches, and he’s already top-tier + maxxed out on steroids

I mog him easy

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Just sticking with test

Anything else is cope

 

[szolliontaraelis]

JFL at using deca

Just use 1gr test a week and eat 6k calories a day bro

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Just use 1gr test a week and eat 6k calories a day bro

No AAS is all about proper estradiol management

 

[lebronjames23]

Spam lateral raises + creatine + ashwaganda + tongkat ali + turkesterone

 

[5.5psl]

ashwaganda + tongkat ali + turkesterone

Replacing all this with 500mg test soon

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Spam lateral raises + creatine + ashwaganda + tongkat ali + turkesterone

This is actually better than doing stuff like tren and deca tbh

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Replacing all this with 500mg test soon

Are you prone to hair loss

 

[Orc]

@Arborist bro do you have any rough figure as to what was your frame width before and after lifting ?

added 2~ inches each side, 4+ total probably, doubt I'd gain much more than another inch even if I started roiding width-wise but they'd probably look thicker from the side instead.

went from 21-22 (presumably based on my father) to 25.5~

tbh I would rather have natty 21-22 inch bidelt than that kind of look, though 24 inch roided still looks insane irl

Where do you live.

north of the netherlands.

idk, i'm 6ft and probably never seen woman taller than me without heels tbh, it's lifefuel that average female in my country is 5'5

my cousin is like 6'6 but he has shit frame, and my mother commented that he is tall, but has narrow shoulders unlike me and it looks shitty, starting from 6'3 you either roid or look like shit in vast majority of cases, i truly believe it's 90% frame past 185cm

even if you have wide shoulders if you have narrow vertical trap insertions it can still make you more narrow (zyzz had this for example and it was his biggest failo) than you actually are, my traps are inserted very wide and horizontal which gives the appearance of a better taper.

 

[lebronjames23]

Replacing all this with 500mg test soon

Steroids will make you bald and acne riddled + heart attack at 30. Stick to natty supps like Mike Thurston. Accept the way god made you

 

[5.5psl]

Are you prone to hair loss

No

 

[Deleted member 2268]

No

AAS without 5ari/topical anti androgens is like playing Russian Roulette

 

[5.5psl]

AAS without 5ari/topical anti androgens is like playing Russian Roulette

Yeah bro I will run dut with ru as well and for my cutting I will just add some anavar with test

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Yeah bro I will run dut with ru as well and for my cutting I will just add some anavar with test

Only run Dut if you are happy with your dick size

 

[5.5psl]

Only run Dut if you are happy with your dick size

Okay bro

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Steroids will make you bald and acne riddled + heart attack at 30. Stick to natty supps like Mike Thurston. Accept the way god made you

This is actually true for most ppl. Steroids is also about genetic response and most guys won’t respond well

 

[laughingchadlurker]

I'm between 20 and 21 inch bideltoid untrained, roughly 19 inch clavicles and I mog 99% of men in the streets. I have been frame mogged maybe twice in my whole life.

People in this forum have no idea how to measure themselves or they are vastly exaggerating their results or they are obese motherfuckers and think their fat padding is frame. No cap I've been called too wide by way too many people in my life.

You can only add like 1 inch to your true frame with muscle fraud via the gym any more than that is cope and your muscle fraud becomes apparent.

I tried shoulder pads to make me wider by roughly 2 inches which would put me 22 to 23 inch and trust me that shit was uncanny as fuck yall must be measuring the curve of your back when you say bidelt or some shit.