What would you do to improve my side profile ? (fillers, genio, implants, etc.)

[vermicel]

I've never had any work done on my lower third. Neither orthodontics, nor orthognathics. I don't think my occlusion needs to be corrected by surgical means. And I'm not recessed in any significant way.
However ...
My bigonial width could be improved. My gonions are quite weak, offering no angularity.
My mandible is rather short.
My chin lacks a bit of oblique projection, simmetry, and squareness.

At this point in time, I'm considering fixing these relatively minor flaws with fillers. Just to see what I look like then, so I can ponder whether more radical procedures would be worth the trouble or not.

Based on the side profile pic below, what would you go for ? Fillers ? Genio ? Mini wing ? Implants ? A combination ?
Do you see anything else worth hardmaxxing ? (I'm strongly considering some fat grafting to the eye area, see list below)

Gif for a more dramatic impression :

Here goes my current looksmaxxing planning for 2026-2027 (from top to bottom of the face) :

-fat grafting to reduce UEE and to fill up a slight hollowness under the eyes
-revision rhinoplasty, mostly for functional reasons
-braces (Invisalign)
-fillers (?) to increase gonial mass & angularity
-fillers (?) to correct chin asymmetry and increase its volume & angularity

 

[LEFORT17]

I've never had any work done on my lower third. Neither orthodontics, nor orthognathics. I don't think my occlusion needs to be corrected by surgical means. And I'm not recessed in any significant way.
However ...
My bigonial width could be improved. My gonions are quite weak, offering no angularity.
My mandible is rather short.
My chin lacks a bit of oblique projection, simmetry, and squareness.

At this point in time, I'm considering fixing these relatively minor flaws with fillers. Just to see what I look like then, so I can ponder whether more radical procedures would be worth the trouble or not.

Based on the side profile pic below, what would you go for ? Fillers ? Genio ? Mini wing ? Implants ? A combination ?
Do you see anything else worth hardmaxxing ? (I'm strongly considering some fat grafting to the eye area, see list below)

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Gif for a more dramatic impression :

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Here goes my current looksmaxxing planning for 2026-2027 (from top to bottom of the face) :

-fat grafting to reduce UEE and to fill up a slight hollowness under the eyes
-revision rhinoplasty, mostly for functional reasons
-braces (Invisalign)
-fillers (?) to increase gonial mass & angularity
-fillers (?) to correct chin asymmetry and increase its volume & angularity

brainfucked

 

[vermicel]

brainfucked

Not everyone has to be an extreme case to justify hardmaxxing. There's definitely room for improvement and I'm willing to take reasonable action to address minor & moderate flaws.
Also, you're only judging by the side profile ; some of the flaws listed above definitely impact my front profile.

I'm an oldcel. This is my last shot at glory.

 

[LEFORT17]

Not everyone has to be an extreme case to justify hardmaxxing. There's definitely room for improvement and I'm willing to take reasonable action to address minor & moderate flaws.
Also, you're only judging by the side profile ; some of the flaws listed above definitely impact my front profile.

I'm an oldcel. This is my last shot at glory.

realistically gonial would ascend the side, but got some complications if ur unlucky. front obv cant tell, if you think you are a fat graft, go for it and invisalign is something smart to do.

 

[lurking truecel]

He fell for the giga chad meme, and if anything you do want to make chin smaller

 

[vermicel]

He fell for the giga chad meme

I'm just trying to walk in the steps of my idol, Clav. And as I can't afford going to Giant, here I am considering inferior options ...

 

[lurking truecel]

I'm just trying to walk in the steps of my idol, Clav. And as I can't afford going to Giant, here I am considering inferior options ...

Yea and clav hasnt done anything under the knife and rely on youthful health markers the most. And ofc already good bones and leanness. And yes giant being superior then other doctors is hard to say as he has few result out there

 

[vermicel]

I was obviously joking, bruh
I actually could afford going to Giant, but I'm too old for this shit. His approach is way too extreme, too risky for me. And unlike most 20 year olds, I truly think of the long term consequences, including how facial bones naturally evolve with advanced aging (general resorption). Also, my disappointing rhinoplasty (it doesn't show from the side) definitely taught me a lesson.

 

[LEFORT17]

I was obviously joking, bruh
I actually could afford going to Giant, but I'm too old for this shit. His approach is way too extreme, too risky for me. And unlike most 20 year olds, I truly think of the long term consequences, including how facial bones naturally evolve with advanced aging (general resorption). Also, my disappointing rhinoplasty (it doesn't show from the side) definitely taught me a lesson.

what happened to the nose?

 

[vermicel]

what happened to the nose?

(The surgeon sutured the inside of my nose too tightly, right above the alar crease, to get a more defined bridge. As a consequence, I can barely breathe on one side, and it has also impaired the other. It's like having a constantly stuffed nose and/or a constant sinusitis. It generates headaches and crusty mucus deposits that I have to frequently expel by blowing my nose. And it has obviously deteriorated my sleep. It fucking sucks. I had no functional issue prior to that surgery.)

 

[LEFORT17]

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(The surgeon sutured the inside of my nose too tightly, right above the alar crease, to get a more defined bridge. As a consequence, I can barely breathe on one side, and it has also impaired the other. It's like having a constantly stuffed nose and/or a constant sinusitis. It generates headaches and crusty mucus deposits that I have to frequently expel by blowing my nose. And it has obviously deteriorated my sleep. It fucking sucks. I had no functional issue prior to that surgery.)

so u wanted a smaller nose and got fucked damn

 

[Aqualad]

Anything other than filler will be too much imo

 

[monecel]

You don't need to change anything. Your chin is already ideal/slightly overadvanced. The only thing you may benefit from is a slight gonial flaring which implants could be used for however you don't need much more ramus height.

 

[vermicel]

Thank you guys for the feedback.

I don't think I was clenching my teeth when that photo was taken. Maybe I was even jutting a little, hence your comments about the chin being slightly overprojected or almost too prominent, when in reality I don't think it is. Certainly not from the front anyway.

I'm sort of a MTN version of Brody Jenner. Similar pheno (with green eyes and slightly darker hair though), similar eyebrows and eyelashes ... but his front profile mogs mine to oblivion, because his bone mass & bone structure are vastly superior, which gives him very good width ratios and angularity. He's also got a better nose, and less UEE. I wonder if he ever did anything to his face ; his midface sometimes looked very full (fillers maybe ?).
If the planned procedures bring me closer to his level, I'll be very happy.

A relatively close rendition of my face on the right. Severely mogged by the one on the left.

 

[JeanAgueli]

HTN+ side profile. Very aesthetically pleasing. I can't see the front obviously, but I would honestly see you as a Chadlite overall if anything.

 

[vermicel]

HTN+ side profile. Very aesthetically pleasing. I can't see the front obviously, but I would honestly see you as a Chadlite overall if anything.

While I appreciate the kind words, I think you are definitely overrating me.

To me, "chadlite" is a top 1 % face, which starts at the 7/10 mark (based on FaceIQ's stats).
In other words, the chadlite & chad ranges are statistical oddities.
I could/would never attribute such an aesthetic achievement to my face (unfortunately).

If I had to rate myself (warning : I could be really off) : the side profile is at best 6.0-6.25/10, top 25-20 %, lhtn worthy. While my front profile is inferior, around the 5.75-6.0 mark (top 30-25 %, hmtn). My height, 1.85m/6'1 is top 15 % for my location (Western Europe). My physique peaked around top ~5 % when I used to be a gymcel. So, thanks to height and body halo (and a compounding effect), my best overall rating would have been somewhere in the 6.25-6.5 range (top 20-15 %, lhtn-mhtn). It was enough to get frequent and sometimes crazy validation. So not complaining.

Due to personal issues and natural ageing, I'm now past my prime, so I've got to contextualize my ambitions within that new frame. I think that within my age bracket (oldcels), with some discipline and a few procedures mentioned in this thread, I can reach again the top 15 % aesthetics (6.5/10), if not a bit higher (~6.75, top 10-5 %), due to the high number of men letting themselves go, getting fat, losing their hair, ageing poorly after years of cumulative stress (wageslaving, foids, divorce, alcohol, drugs, bad diet, excessive tanning, etc.), and simply reaching the point where average genetics break down.

I don't feel like posting a clear & current front profile, so here's a shitty quality 3/4 profile to give a rough idea where I'm standing at. Gotta look past the home-made hair cut ( I'm a shut-in, so I never go to the hair dresser ; will try to change that shortly) and beardfraud. Also wearing a telnyashka as pyjamas

By the way, I have analyzed my side profile with most existing ratios. This made me realize that my nasolabial and mentolabial angles are both off. I can't really be bothered with the latter, but the former should be addressed with the planned revision rhinoplasty.
I should also lose ~5kg/12lbs to lean out and improve the submental region. On the side profile picture, I was ~85kg/190lbs and quite jacked, but, in hindsight, a leaner physique could have been even better and within my reach. Now, I'm the same weight and less fit, so definitely gotta lose those 5kg/12lbs. I don't plan on ever getting super lean (as in model-tier lean), because it's probably annoying to maintain, and I enjoy walking around with a broader frame.

Modified morph with ideal nasolabial & mentolabial angles, and reduced submental fat :

At this point, I stick by the following list for 2026-2027 :
- revision rhinoplasty
- fat grafting to the upper eyelid & undereyes
- fillers to flare the gonions and square off the chin
- invisalign

+ some skin care laser(s). But this may be a softmax rather than a hardmax.

 

[adarsh arya]

Yea and clav hasnt done anything under the knife and rely on youthful health markers the most. And ofc already good bones and leanness. And yes giant being superior then other doctors is hard to say as he has few result out there

man u were shitting on giant last time i was on this site and now u are praising him here and there making me doubt if i did good choosing ram for infra-malar implants

 

[+RCisAspie]

I was obviously joking, bruh
I actually could afford going to Giant, but I'm too old for this shit. His approach is way too extreme, too risky for me. And unlike most 20 year olds, I truly think of the long term consequences, including how facial bones naturally evolve with advanced aging (general resorption). Also, my disappointing rhinoplasty (it doesn't show from the side) definitely taught me a lesson.

Peek jaw implant just imagine how mog it would be Stacy IOIs daily, just look at implant b and afters

 

[vermicel]

No, thanks. I'll stick to fillers. More control over the result, immediate improvement, reversible, cheaper, safer (if done well, obviously).

On a side note : if LL didn't cost 50K, and rather 20-25K, I would probably go ahead with it. It could take me from 1.85m/6'1 to 1.90-1.93m/6'3-6'4 (~1.95m/6'5 with shoes on, no lift), thus making me effectively tall anywhere in the western world.

I could even justify it based on my current proportions : my legs are rather short for my height (I wear trousers in 30" length, instead of a more common L32) ; and I have very large feet (US13/EU47-48), more commonly seen on men around 6'5. As a consequence, many shoes look goofy on me. And my shorter legs make me look less tall than I am. Pay attention to models (in the 6'1-6'2 range) : many have longer legs, in relation to their torso. That stretches them visually, and makes them appear taller, more slender, and more elegant.

 

[kaydd]

While I appreciate the kind words, I think you are definitely overrating me.

To me, "chadlite" is a top 1 % face, which starts at the 7/10 mark (based on FaceIQ's stats).
In other words, the chadlite & chad ranges are statistical oddities.
I could/would never attribute such an aesthetic achievement to my face (unfortunately).

If I had to rate myself (warning : I could be really off) : the side profile is at best 6.0-6.25/10, top 25-20 %, lhtn worthy. While my front profile is inferior, around the 5.75-6.0 mark (top 30-25 %, hmtn). My height, 1.85m/6'1 is top 15 % for my location (Western Europe). My physique peaked around top ~5 % when I used to be a gymcel. So, thanks to height and body halo (and a compounding effect), my best overall rating would have been somewhere in the 6.25-6.5 range (top 20-15 %, lhtn-mhtn). It was enough to get frequent and sometimes crazy validation. So not complaining.

Due to personal issues and natural ageing, I'm now past my prime, so I've got to contextualize my ambitions within that new frame. I think that within my age bracket (oldcels), with some discipline and a few procedures mentioned in this thread, I can reach again the top 15 % aesthetics (6.5/10), if not a bit higher (~6.75, top 10-5 %), due to the high number of men letting themselves go, getting fat, losing their hair, ageing poorly after years of cumulative stress (wageslaving, foids, divorce, alcohol, drugs, bad diet, excessive tanning, etc.), and simply reaching the point where average genetics break down.

I don't feel like posting a clear & current front profile, so here's a shitty quality 3/4 profile to give a rough idea where I'm standing at. Gotta look past the home-made hair cut ( I'm a shut-in, so I never go to the hair dresser ; will try to change that shortly) and beardfraud. Also wearing a telnyashka as pyjamas

View attachment 4433733

By the way, I have analyzed my side profile with most existing ratios. This made me realize that my nasolabial and mentolabial angles are both off. I can't really be bothered with the latter, but the former should be addressed with the planned revision rhinoplasty.
I should also lose ~5kg/12lbs to lean out and improve the submental region. On the side profile picture, I was ~85kg/190lbs and quite jacked, but, in hindsight, a leaner physique could have been even better and within my reach. Now, I'm the same weight and less fit, so definitely gotta lose those 5kg/12lbs. I don't plan on ever getting super lean (as in model-tier lean), because it's probably annoying to maintain, and I enjoy walking around with a broader frame.

Modified morph with ideal nasolabial & mentolabial angles, and reduced submental fat :


View attachment 4433820

At this point, I stick by the following list for 2026-2027 :
- revision rhinoplasty
- fat grafting to the upper eyelid & undereyes
- fillers to flare the gonions and square off the chin
- invisalign

+ some skin care laser(s). But this may be a softmax rather than a hardmax.

Very aesthetically pleasing face unc, you ever thought of geomaxxing?

 

[vermicel]

you ever thought of geomaxxing

just be a chad in Mumbai theory

One of the upsetting things about my looks, is that I'm not perceived as a typical Frenchman when travelling abroad. I usually get confused as Italian. When in Turkey, people even addressed me directly in Turkish, because I probably passed as a Turk of Greek descent (with a beard on).
The weird thing is that my ethnicity is not even Med, but nearly 100 % Celt(id).
Not really a big deal, even though I sometimes feel robbed of my identity.

With my pheno and features, I seem to be more attractive to Med, Slavic and Latina women. I don't think I would match eastern Asian women's expectations of a White man (ideally, they prefer lighter hair, clean shaven, and stereotypical Germanic/Nordic/Anglo types).
Anyway, I'm not looking for pointless sexual promiscuity, and I'm not keen on extreme race-mixing. So if I had to geomaxx with women in mind, I would consider eastern Europe, and seek a ltr with a rather trad local female. To tell you the truth, I was precisely doing some location scouting across eastern Europe when Covid and the war in Ukraine both hit, which pushed me to fly back home and delayed my plan. Maybe some parts of South America would work out for me too (Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, southern Brazil), but I haven't given it much thought, and have never set a foot there.

Thanks for the compliment btw, appreciated !

 

[kaydd]

I don't think I would match eastern Asian women's expectations of a White man (ideally, they prefer lighter hair, clean shaven, and stereotypical Germanic/Nordic/Anglo types).

you say that like you cant just shave your beard and still remain a chad

 

[kaydd]

just be a chad in Mumbai theory

One of the upsetting things about my looks, is that I'm not perceived as a typical Frenchman when travelling abroad. I usually get confused as Italian. When in Turkey, people even addressed me directly in Turkish, because I probably passed as a Turk of Greek descent (with a beard on).
The weird thing is that my ethnicity is not even Med, but nearly 100 % Celt(id).
Not really a big deal, even though I sometimes feel robbed of my identity.

With my pheno and features, I seem to be more attractive to Med, Slavic and Latina women. I don't think I would match eastern Asian women's expectations of a White man (ideally, they prefer lighter hair, clean shaven, and stereotypical Germanic/Nordic/Anglo types).
Anyway, I'm not looking for pointless sexual promiscuity, and I'm not keen on extreme race-mixing. So if I had to geomaxx with women in mind, I would consider eastern Europe, and seek a ltr with a rather trad local female. To tell you the truth, I was precisely doing some location scouting across eastern Europe when Covid and the war in Ukraine both hit, which pushed me to fly back home and delayed my plan. Maybe some parts of South America would work out for me too (Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, southern Brazil), but I haven't given it much thought, and have never set a foot there.

Thanks for the compliment btw, appreciated !

Im kinda curious onto why your looksmaxing then? May sound kinda shallow but are you really doing this for one woman in mind?
Race mixing would mean to breed them, having fun sex with different people with ease is a privilege i wouldnt try to miss out on tbh.

 

[vermicel]

you say that like you cant just shave your beard and still remain a chad

Nah, not a chad (I wish !). And staying clean shaven is just too much of a hassle.

Im kinda curious onto why your looksmaxing then? May sound kinda shallow but are you really doing this for one woman in mind?
Race mixing would mean to breed them, having fun sex with different people with ease is a privilege i wouldnt try to miss out on tbh.

Let's call it a vanity project. And, even before BP content rationalized it, I've always been aware of the general impact of good looks, not just with women, but in all social matters. For example, you come across as more trustworthy and more capable, even to other males. I've experienced this benefit to a limited extent.
I'm unfortunately very insecure about my looks, and have some good reasons to feel that way. Don't be fooled by a couple of pictures.
So the point of looksmaxxing would be to reduce that insecurity, to allow me to live in a more carefree way, and to gain back the capacity to be intimate with a woman (I have remained single for years now, due to both insecurity and poor past experiences).

As for "having fun sex with different people" : it would mean actively participating in a system I really dislike. When you sleep with a woman "for fun", you basically damage her a little, and yourself as well in the process. And, further down the line, another man will pay the price of your thoughtlessness. I'm not even religious — so I can't claim the transcendental argument for morals —, yet I believe we should control our urges and encourage some form of chastity, for both men and women, because it benefits social cohesion. Paradoxically, sexual promiscuity requires advanced social skills for antisocial ends. It's self-destructive and perverse.
I guess I'm speaking from a place of relative privilege, because I had girlfriends in my young formative years, in accordance with normies' standards. So I have no deep-seated frustration in that regard. My current long-term celibacy would probably feel different, had I not had those "normal" experiences as a teen and young adult.
Anyway, sex by itself is overrated most of the time, not worth all the efforts one might consider in that pursuit (like hardmaxxing), and I'm at a point in life where the company of a woman would be worthwile mostly for reproductive purposes. "Fun sex" wouldn't cut it.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Nah, not a chad (I wish !). And staying clean shaven is just too much of a hassle.


Let's call it a vanity project. And, even before BP content rationalized it, I've always been aware of the general impact of good looks, not just with women, but in all social matters. For example, you come across as more trustworthy and more capable, even to other males. I've experienced this benefit to a limited extent.
I'm unfortunately very insecure about my looks, and have some good reasons to feel that way. Don't be fooled by a couple of pictures.
So the point of looksmaxxing would be to reduce that insecurity, to allow me to live in a more carefree way, and to gain back the capacity to be intimate with a woman (I have remained single for years now, due to both insecurity and poor past experiences).

As for "having fun sex with different people" : it would mean actively participating in a system I really dislike. When you sleep with a woman "for fun", you basically damage her a little, and yourself as well in the process. And, further down the line, another man will pay the price of your thoughtlessness. I'm not even religious — so I can't claim the transcendental argument for morals —, yet I believe we should control our urges and encourage some form of chastity, for both men and women, because it benefits social cohesion. Paradoxically, sexual promiscuity requires advanced social skills for antisocial ends. It's self-destructive and perverse.
I guess I'm speaking from a place of relative privilege, because I had girlfriends in my young formative years, in accordance with normies' standards. So I have no deep-seated frustration in that regard. My current long-term celibacy would probably feel different, had I not had those "normal" experiences as a teen and young adult.
Anyway, sex by itself is overrated most of the time, not worth all the efforts one might consider in that pursuit (like hardmaxxing), and I'm at a point in life where the company of a woman would be worthwile mostly for reproductive purposes. "Fun sex" wouldn't cut it.

Not saying you’re not making sense, cuz what you say is mostly true.

But you should probably lower innhib tbh.
would you consider yourself ND?